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sethd513
12-10-2016, 16:58
My wife and I both have frogg toggs for our rain pants. This summer we switched to silnylon rain kilts. What can I expect out of the frogg toggs in the winter time? Has anyone put them to the test? My wife's seem nylon where as mine seem more like kite tyvek
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I've used frogg toggs in the winter for years... Well, not the same pair, but I just keep on getting new ones. I get much more use from them in the winter because I wear them for warmth and wind protection in camp, and sleep in them most nights. I cut the legs and arms of larges down for my size so I have plenty of room for more insulation layers inside.
saltysack
12-10-2016, 17:23
I've never liked the feel of FT but did buy some UL rip stop dance pants that are a awesome layer. Used late sept in Co worked great...water resistant not wp...very comfortable, breath and warmhttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161210/74ff6bd28fcad135516d0bcee24fc962.png
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Slo-go'en
12-10-2016, 17:38
Salty, did you get the ballerina shoes to go with the pants too?
Slo-go'en
12-10-2016, 17:44
For the winter, I have a pair of old gortex pants which I cut off and hemmed just below the knee. I wear long OR gaiters, so having ventilation at the knee and not having the gaiters also covering the shell pant legs reduces sweat and improves flexibility, which is important when your trying to climb up a steep trail. You could do the same with Frogg Toggs. I'm surprised no one sells knicker length outer shell pants.
saltysack
12-10-2016, 18:30
Salty, did you get the ballerina shoes to go with the pants too?
[emoji23] my wife gives me enough grief about my clown shoes....the "Altra"
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We've used Frogg Toggs in snowy, wet, and windy weather on many occasions with good results. We like the cloth-like feel, as opposed to plastic-feel of most other rain products. I still use my original FT jacket, going on 11 years old now, and a lot of miles. We have a lot more expensive names .... Marmot, Arcteryx, and others, but it's funny how often we reach for the FT suit. For one thing, it's lighter and less bulky than full blown goretex stuff.
Here we are in Georgia, hiking north from Neels Gap in an April snow storm, 2009. Orange Frogg Toggs suits earned us the name "Hazmat Crew".
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I've used Frogg Togg bottoms for winter peakbagging in New Hampshire. They work reasonably well.
For one thing, it's lighter and less bulky than full blown goretex stuff.
Hmm, we talking about the same stuff? I generally like my Frogg Toggs, but they are quite bulky, about twice the volume of equivalent Goretex items.
Hmm, we talking about the same stuff? I generally like my Frogg Toggs, but they are quite bulky, about twice the volume of equivalent Goretex items.
check out the weights as well as the volume... it is really hard to find anything as light as frogg toggs without using the cube-word.
ScareBear
12-10-2016, 23:41
For the winter, I have a pair of old gortex pants which I cut off and hemmed just below the knee. I wear long OR gaiters, so having ventilation at the knee and not having the gaiters also covering the shell pant legs reduces sweat and improves flexibility, which is important when your trying to climb up a steep trail. You could do the same with Frogg Toggs. I'm surprised no one sells knicker length outer shell pants.
There are all sorts of 3/4 length climbing trousers on offer. I just don't know any that have more than a DWR finish. I think there are 3/4 length bicycle shorts that are waterproof, but I don't bike, so you might have to do a little research there...
ScareBear
12-10-2016, 23:47
Plus, you could always snag a pair of Marmot Precip pants, take them to your tailor/gear seamstress, and have them shortened to your specs. Don't forget to have them tape the seams on the hem job for durability. That would be like...50 bucks for the Precip pants and maybe 20 or 25 bucks for the hem and tape...VOILA! Just don't use the full-length zipper Precips....just sayin....
ScareBear
12-10-2016, 23:49
Plus, you could always snag a pair of Marmot Precip pants, take them to your tailor/gear seamstress, and have them shortened to your specs. Don't forget to have them tape the seams on the hem job for durability/WP. That would be like...50 bucks for the Precip pants and maybe 20 or 25 bucks for the hem and tape...VOILA! Just don't use the full-length zipper Precips....just sayin....
Hell you could even have them lap the hem over some 2mm shock cord and make the leg openings adjustable...shouldn't cost much more...
MtDoraDave
12-15-2016, 08:20
I bought a set of Frogg Toggs (the ultra light version) before my last trip to save weight. The Marmot Precips are considerably heavier.
I was disappointed that there were no pockets and no draw string around the waist of the jacket... but I guess that's how they get "ultra light" - less than 12 ounces for the set. When rolled up, they are no bigger/ bulkier than my Precips.
Great for keeping me dry, great for keeping the cold wind off me, but the first evening when kneeling to get in my tent the crotch ripped out of the pants. Perhaps because I wasn't careful enough... perhaps because they are very baggy... idk. I have concluded that they simply aren't durable - but for the price and the weight, I wont complain... just buy another set.
Another possibility remains; sometimes walmart demands lower prices for products from suppliers, and the suppliers supply lower quality product in order to get the business. The manager of a Dickies store told me this - they won't warranty their product if bought at walmart. The boxers I get from there also seem to be lower quality than those bought elsewhere... I used to bleach boxers, regardless of color, but the ones bought at walmart are not colorfast in bleach. Perhaps Frogg Toggs supplies walmart with a lesser quality product?
saltysack
12-15-2016, 09:56
I bought a set of Frogg Toggs (the ultra light version) before my last trip to save weight. The Marmot Precips are considerably heavier.
I was disappointed that there were no pockets and no draw string around the waist of the jacket... but I guess that's how they get "ultra light" - less than 12 ounces for the set. When rolled up, they are no bigger/ bulkier than my Precips.
Great for keeping me dry, great for keeping the cold wind off me, but the first evening when kneeling to get in my tent the crotch ripped out of the pants. Perhaps because I wasn't careful enough... perhaps because they are very baggy... idk. I have concluded that they simply aren't durable - but for the price and the weight, I wont complain... just buy another set.
Another possibility remains; sometimes walmart demands lower prices for products from suppliers, and the suppliers supply lower quality product in order to get the business. The manager of a Dickies store told me this - they won't warranty their product if bought at walmart. The boxers I get from there also seem to be lower quality than those bought elsewhere... I used to bleach boxers, regardless of color, but the ones bought at walmart are not colorfast in bleach. Perhaps Frogg Toggs supplies walmart with a lesser quality product?
This was my first experience years ago also.....I was on a motorcycle ride from Fl to Sturgis, SD......approaching a nasty storm we stopped to put on rain gear....I lifted my leg to hop on the bike and ripped the crotch out......needless to say I froze my BALZ off...ended up getting replaced under warranty but I've not used them since.....too bulky for my needs....
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colorado_rob
12-15-2016, 11:13
Yeah, I've had a love hate relationship with dri ducks/frigg toggs for close to a decade now. I'm back to love.
Yeah the crotch rips out easily, if you always keep the pants riding high, that should help. And i find the pants still completely usable with crotch ripped out, ventilation for "the boys", ya know...
So maybe a year ago now, i found that combining the jacket with a UL wind jacket underneath provides amazing total warmth, and versatility, meaning you have 3 combinations of the two jackets (either or both).
And yeah, would be nice to have draw string at bottom, but since 90% of the time I'm hiking when wearing it, the pack waistbelt keeps it closed. It's only in camp where the waist cinch would be nice.
So, bottom line, both myself and wife carry and wear our frogg toggs year round, the exception being when we climb really high peaks (over 15k) , we'll bring our bomb proof hard shells.
nsherry61
12-15-2016, 11:55
. . . And yeah, would be nice to have draw string at bottom . . .
You can always tie a guy-line (or any other short piece of cord) around your waist instead of a drawstring.
If you're not happy with FroggTogg durability, I highly recommend exploring the use of O2 rain-wear (http://o2rainwear.com/2011/03/original-hooded-jacket/). O2 is just a bulky, just as light weight (~5 oz), just as ugly, almost as cheap, but significantly more durable and I think more breathable as well.
I can't get my 19 yr old kid to wear Gortex because his ugly O2 breaths so much better for him, is easier to move in (being lighter and slightly flexible) and is still fully waterproof. Part of the "breathability" might be that its little bit of thickness may also be slightly insulating and thus lead to less condensation compared to a more typical WPB shell. For the oldies among us . . . Chouinard eat your foam heart out?
Black Viper
12-15-2016, 17:38
needless to say I froze my BALZ off...ended up getting replaced under warranty but I've not used them since.....too bulky for my needs....
Didn't know you could get a warranty on balz. I am suprised you have not needed them since, though I guess I could see the argument that they were too bulky.
Alligator
12-15-2016, 23:03
My wife and I both have frogg toggs for our rain pants. This summer we switched to silnylon rain kilts. What can I expect out of the frogg toggs in the winter time? Has anyone put them to the test? My wife's seem nylon where as mine seem more like kite tyvek
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkDid she buy hers at Wal-Mart and you elsewhere? I've bought multiple pairs over the years for myself and family members. The Wal-Mart ones are flimsier, I own a pair, I wouldn't trust them in the winter. If you are in winter conditions, failed rain gear could be very dangerous. I've worn my other pairs in the winter, in milder states like VA. If you can bail out easily, or patch a repair, it may not bite you. If you are going someplace steep, or icy, or crunchy snow, where you might need to do some butt scooting, consider something a little more durable. Or bushwacking where there is more chance to tear them. Have something to patch them. Some duct tape doesn't work well at cold temps.
The Wal-Mart ones are less bulky. I carry that set in hotter dryer conditions.
sethd513
12-16-2016, 07:27
Did she buy hers at Wal-Mart and you elsewhere? I've bought multiple pairs over the years for myself and family members. The Wal-Mart ones are flimsier, I own a pair, I wouldn't trust them in the winter. If you are in winter conditions, failed rain gear could be very dangerous. I've worn my other pairs in the winter, in milder states like VA. If you can bail out easily, or patch a repair, it may not bite you. If you are going someplace steep, or icy, or crunchy snow, where you might need to do some butt scooting, consider something a little more durable. Or bushwacking where there is more chance to tear them. Have something to patch them. Some duct tape doesn't work well at cold temps.
The Wal-Mart ones are less bulky. I carry that set in hotter dryer conditions.
They were both from Cabelas but with years in between.
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