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Dogwood
03-11-2017, 13:09
Low sugar high protein meat bars. Had the Turkey Cranberry Thyme which was delish. Every ingredient is easily known in plain real food English without needing a chemistry or food science textbook to understand. Perhaps a higher cal/oz ratio than tuna in foil packets in safflower or soy oil. l
https://image-cdn.symphonycommerce.com/images/sites/kravejerky/1474657901346_-6954754152970395087.800w.jpg

Venchka
03-11-2017, 13:16
Interesting. I'll be on the lookout for them.
I have been a Krave Jerky fan for years. I have about 3 pounds stashed for future trips. Good stuff.
Wayne


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MuddyWaters
03-11-2017, 16:24
my wife an I were driving up to watch my daughter play ball a few weeks ago.
Turned out that Pilot was having Krave jerky on sale, buy one get one free or such.

We bought a bunch.

George
03-11-2017, 16:34
5 oz for 11$ + shipping

vs cliff bars 14 oz for 6$ at wallyworld

about 4 times the price per oz

might be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but in 2 yrs this will likely be a thing of the past, tough to survive the hurdle of that price point

Dogwood
03-11-2017, 17:41
Cliff Bars are laden with sugar These bars are for those who don't want all the sugar as contained in Cliff, Lara and Luna bars. These are real meat and grain bars not oats and sugar bars.

As seen here Clif Bars are 230-250 cals in 2.4 oz bars with 20-24 grams or 80 - 96 cals in those 230-260 oz coming from sugar. For those not inclined to numbers 25% or more of those calories in this bar are sugar calories. Some varieties of Clif bars contain as much as 1/3 or 33% of their calories from sugar.

http://www.fooducate.com/app#!page=product&id=0B76F172-E116-11DF-A102-FEFD45A4D471
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/calories/clif-clif-bar-118077706

No one is saying buy directly from Krave or buy a four pack sampler. If the defensive wall wasn't immediately erected one might note with a little shopping they are being sold at Krogers in my area for $1.79 each. Just buy one. Might be worth a try, hey? It's a savory meat and grains bar great for those on Paleo Diets or wanting something different in a bar than the same old Clif like bar or for those wanting to add a little meat to a meal on trail. Thought the option might help a few out who said they wanted this.

RockDoc
03-11-2017, 18:38
That's still too much sugar. The ones I looked at had cane sugar as the second or third ingredient. Yes, less than Cliff and Lara, but still too much.

What is so much sugar doing in a meat/fruit bar? If I want candy I'll buy candy. These are kryptonite!




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Dogwood
03-11-2017, 21:20
That's still too much sugar. The ones I looked at had cane sugar as the second or third ingredient. Yes, less than Cliff and Lara, but still too much.

What is so much sugar doing in a meat/fruit bar? If I want candy I'll buy candy. These are kryptonite!'

You're right in that we still get 24 of the total 110 calories from sugar RockDoc..22%. And here I was thinking I was just tasting cranberries, orange peel, thyme, and turkey. So can you name your nutritional bars including meat bars that contain less sugar? :) Some jerkies have high amounts of added sugar too. Serious Rock Doc your considering and adding to the discussion. Teach us. :)

ScareBear
03-11-2017, 21:23
You're right in that we still get 24 of the total 110 calories from sugar RockDoc..22%. And here I was thinking I was just tasting cranberries, orange peel, thyme, and turkey. So can you name your nutritional bars including meat bars that contain less sugar? :) Some jerkies have high amounts of added sugar too. Serious Rock Doc your considering and adding to the discussion. Teach us. :)

School is in session....

https://julianbakery.com/product/paleo-protein-bar-devils-food-cake/?gclid=CLuQ6Nzmz9ICFUUjgQodeQ4KFw

heatherfeather
03-11-2017, 21:32
I would go for epic bars over Krave bars for the exact reason of added sugars. The epic bars often have dried fruit added, but they do not have additional sugar. But for me it is a flavor thing. Particularly if you are active, i.e. Hiking and backpacking, a few grams of added sugars are hardly going to hurt anyone. I just never really liked the taste of sugary meat.


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TX Aggie
03-11-2017, 21:33
You're right in that we still get 24 of the total 110 calories from sugar RockDoc..22%. And here I was thinking I was just tasting cranberries, orange peel, thyme, and turkey. So can you name your nutritional bars including meat bars that contain less sugar? :) Some jerkies have high amounts of added sugar too. Serious Rock Doc your considering and adding to the discussion. Teach us. :)

Oh yeah One bars. 1g sugar, 24 carb, 10 fiber (so net 14 carb), 21g protein.

https://ohyeahnutrition.com/collections/complete-line/products/ohyeah-one-bar?variant=2570621377

Quest Protein Bars
0g sugar, 4g net carbs, 21g protein

http://www.questnutrition.com/protein-bars/choc-chip-cookie-dough-box-of-12/


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Starchild
03-11-2017, 21:36
Krave is really good, really really good. It is nothing like other snack bars, more like a real food bar. That assumes you like the taste of meat instead of grain.

TTT
03-11-2017, 21:46
If you want protein, and want it to taste like real meat, then why not vacuum seal jerky that is the real maccoy and has lots of fat?

rocketsocks
03-11-2017, 22:02
New finding sez gluten free diets cause diabetes.

http://www.webmd.com/diabetes/news/20170309/downside-to-gluten-free-diets-diabetes-risk

TX Aggie
03-11-2017, 22:16
New finding sez gluten free diets cause diabetes.

http://www.webmd.com/diabetes/news/20170309/downside-to-gluten-free-diets-diabetes-risk

And of course, you can't actually get to the study from WebMD. They just throw out a teaser but won't actually give you the study.

My gut says there were many more factors than just simply being gluten free. If you replace gluten (a protein) for a carbohydrate then of course you're going to increase your risk of diabetes.


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Venchka
03-11-2017, 22:59
5 oz for 11$ + shipping

vs cliff bars 14 oz for 6$ at wallyworld

about 4 times the price per oz

might be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but in 2 yrs this will likely be a thing of the past, tough to survive the hurdle of that price point

Or 12 Cliff Bars for $9.something at Walmart a couple weeks ago.
Say what you want, but when you're on the other side of Nowhere and your stomach is beating on your spine, a Cliff, Kind or Lara bar and a big chew of Jerky fills a bunch of empty nooks and crannies.
When are the Krave Tofurkey bars going to hit the market? Grinning.
Wayne


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Starchild
03-11-2017, 23:02
If you want protein, and want it to taste like real meat, then why not vacuum seal jerky that is the real maccoy and has lots of fat?



Jerky is good, but different, and actually tastes less like a meat meal then the Krave bars I've had. Jerky is the candy of meat (bacon also shares this title), Krave is more like good leftovers.

Venchka
03-11-2017, 23:44
If you want protein, and want it to taste like real meat, then why not vacuum seal jerky that is the real maccoy and has lots of fat?

Have you ever made your own Jerky?
Have you looked at the labels on commercial Jerky?
Fat is to be avoided if the jerky is to last very long.
Wayne


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TTT
03-12-2017, 12:12
Yes, I do make it. I come from a very hot climate. It is called biltong here and not jerky. The fat won't go rancid if kept in a cool place, although as you pointed out in the long term it will shorten its lifespan. Jerky is designed to last unless it is poorly made. Vacuum sealing it and the lifespan is extended.

Dogwood
03-12-2017, 12:26
School is in session....

https://julianbakery.com/product/paleo-protein-bar-devils-food-cake/?gclid=CLuQ6Nzmz9ICFUUjgQodeQ4KFw

Did not know about these. I've never seen them anywhere in any store. Where do we buy them preferably in singles to demo?

If these don't make one full and regular a golf ball may be lodged in your GI tract. :p

Venchka
03-12-2017, 12:47
Yes, I do make it. I come from a very hot climate. It is called biltong here and not jerky. The fat won't go rancid if kept in a cool place, although as you pointed out in the long term it will shorten its lifespan. Jerky is designed to last unless it is poorly made. Vacuum sealing it and the lifespan is extended.
I apologize. The flaw in using Tapatalk on my phone is that your location is not shown.
Suffice to say that the USA versions of meat jerky is low fat. Shelf life of the commercial varieties is quite long. Even homemade lasts a long time.
Wayne

ScareBear
03-12-2017, 13:19
Did not know about these. I've never seen them anywhere in any store. Where do we buy them preferably in singles to demo?

If these don't make one full and regular a golf ball may be lodged in your GI tract. :p

https://www.amazon.com/Paleo-Protein-Devils-White-Carbs/dp/B01IF7PXOM/ref=pd_sim_121_7?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01IF7PXOM&pd_rd_r=9S3ZJGVCE3B03T5AEQEV&pd_rd_w=m5vdh&pd_rd_wg=TisUF&psc=1&refRID=9S3ZJGVCE3B03T5AEQEV

Venchka
03-12-2017, 14:24
https://www.amazon.com/Paleo-Protein-Devils-White-Carbs/dp/B01IF7PXOM/ref=pd_sim_121_7?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01IF7PXOM&pd_rd_r=9S3ZJGVCE3B03T5AEQEV&pd_rd_w=m5vdh&pd_rd_wg=TisUF&psc=1&refRID=9S3ZJGVCE3B03T5AEQEV

Your link doesn't break the $30 plus shipping barrier.
What if I gag & puke on the first nibble. Hey?
Slightly better. Still no cigar.
https://julianbakery.com/product/paleo-protein-bar-three-flavor-variety/
Wayne

ScareBear
03-12-2017, 14:50
Your link doesn't break the $30 plus shipping barrier.
What if I gag & puke on the first nibble. Hey?
Slightly better. Still no cigar.
https://julianbakery.com/product/paleo-protein-bar-three-flavor-variety/
Wayne

It does if you have amazon prime :D

Venchka
03-12-2017, 15:53
You may as well be speaking in tongues.
Can I purchase a Paleo Bar individually over the counter?
Otherwise I consider them useless.
Wayne


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TX Aggie
03-12-2017, 15:57
You may as well be speaking in tongues.
Can I purchase a Paleo Bar individually over the counter?
Otherwise I consider them useless.
Wayne


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I've seen them individually at some of the more upscale grocery stores like Wegman's in the Mid-Atlantic. You might have luck at Whole Foods or Harris Teeter as well.

Venchka
03-12-2017, 18:17
Thanks.
No worries. Whole Foods and Harris Teeter may as well be on another planet relative to my home.
I'll make do with my mega stash of jerky and old school bars.
Wayne


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Dogwood
03-12-2017, 19:59
https://www.amazon.com/Paleo-Protein-Devils-White-Carbs/dp/B01IF7PXOM/ref=pd_sim_121_7?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01IF7PXOM&pd_rd_r=9S3ZJGVCE3B03T5AEQEV&pd_rd_w=m5vdh&pd_rd_wg=TisUF&psc=1&refRID=9S3ZJGVCE3B03T5AEQEV

That's box prices. I said where do I find singles in a store to buy JUST ONE. I want to demo one before committing to a $30 box purchase. just like Venchka said. I don't want to have to buy $30 of food I may not like. I've never seen these sold in stores individually for sale.

TX Aggie
03-12-2017, 20:44
Thanks.
No worries. Whole Foods and Harris Teeter may as well be on another planet relative to my home.
I'll make do with my mega stash of jerky and old school bars.
Wayne


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Mega jerky stash is a good thing. Not to be confused with a mega jerk. [emoji41]

I'm trying to wean off of Bars myself. Looking more towards dry goods type foods they used during the westward expansion. Amazing how much knowledge was lost in how to pack and prepare food for long journeys once mass distribution became prevalent.


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Venchka
03-12-2017, 21:30
I'm in the Brookshire's monopoly market. My daughter in Boone, NC has an Earth Fare and Harris Teeter. 30 miles north of Tyler and I'm having serious Trader Joe's withdrawal.
Mrs. Wayne makes a seriously great batch of brownies that held up famously for 2 weeks in New Mexico and Colorado last year. They will be in my pack from now on.
Wayne


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TX Aggie
03-12-2017, 23:01
I'm in the Brookshire's monopoly market. My daughter in Boone, NC has an Earth Fare and Harris Teeter. 30 miles north of Tyler and I'm having serious Trader Joe's withdrawal.
Mrs. Wayne makes a seriously great batch of brownies that held up famously for 2 weeks in New Mexico and Colorado last year. They will be in my pack from now on.
Wayne


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As the family cook, I only have one question:

Does Mrs. Wayne share her recipes?

Venchka
03-12-2017, 23:21
Well, for an Aggie, I reckon.
Don't laugh. The recipe is on boxes of All Bran Buds. Guess what one of the ingredients is? Grinning.
I hope you like them.
Wayne


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TX Aggie
03-13-2017, 08:23
Well, for an Aggie, I reckon.
Don't laugh. The recipe is on boxes of All Bran Buds. Guess what one of the ingredients is? Grinning.
I hope you like them.
Wayne


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Lol. Thanks, I'll take a look. I rarely shop the cereal isle anymore, but I'll see if I can find it.


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Ethesis
03-13-2017, 09:07
That's box prices. I said where do I find singles in a store to buy JUST ONE. I want to demo one before committing to a $30 box purchase. just like Venchka said. I don't want to have to buy $30 of food I may not like. I've never seen these sold in stores individually for sale.

the calories are just too low for hiking.

That is a problem I have with many bars. I want 400 calories from a snack and they want to deliver 150. Or less.

Dogwood
03-13-2017, 11:04
the calories are just too low for hiking.

That is a problem I have with many bars. I want 400 calories from a snack and they want to deliver 150. Or less.

That is a good point to consider. However, we can work that into a larger trail food scheme which we already do. Here are two more points to consider 1) every item, every ingredient one carries as trail food isn't massively calorie rich or we would all be eating noting but EVOO and butter fat calories. Examples are tuna in packets, some(many?) canned meats, mashed potatoes by itself , Ramen by itself, pasta, oatmeal by itself, etc. Nothing outstanding about caloric content in any of these examples yet these items are common on trail. WHY? Taste, perhaps reduced bulk, and caloric and NUTRIENT content is increased by addition of some fat making the items cumulatively a higher cal/oz ratio and perhaps nutrient rich. FOOD IS NOT JUST ABOUT CALORIES. FOOD IS ABOUT THE ENTIRE SPECTRUM OF NUTRIENTS.

ki0eh
03-13-2017, 11:23
the calories are just too low for hiking.

That is a problem I have with many bars. I want 400 calories from a snack and they want to deliver 150. Or less.

They will have no problem allowing you to pair this with a Reese's Fast Break bar https://www.hersheys.com/reeses/en_us/products/reeses-fast-break-king-size-bar.html

Farr Away
03-13-2017, 12:35
http://www.all-bran.com/recipes/brownies.html

-FA

Maineiac64
03-13-2017, 13:24
Not a fan of Krave taste/texture. I like ProBar Meals.

Venchka
03-13-2017, 14:20
http://www.all-bran.com/recipes/brownies.html

-FA
Thank you! That is so much easier than my photo of the recipe on the box of All Bran buds attached to a Personal Message.
Wayne

Venchka
03-13-2017, 14:31
Trail snacks. Calorie dense.
Mindy Lu's pies. 3.5 ounces. 330 calories. http://www.mindylupies.com/index.html Carbs.
Planter's Heart Healthy Nutrition nuts. 1.75 ounces. 260 calories. Fat.
Beef, turkey, pork, bison, tofurky jerky. About 100 calories/ounce. Protein.
Repeat as needed.
What's wrong with that?
Y'all are over thinking this. Again.
Wayne

Dogwood
03-13-2017, 16:59
Mega jerky stash is a good thing. Not to be confused with a mega jerk. [emoji41]

I'm trying to wean off of Bars myself. Looking more towards dry goods type foods they used during the westward expansion. Amazing how much knowledge was lost in how to pack and prepare food for long journeys once mass distribution became prevalent.


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Yup. The Westward Expansion Diet? Is that a cross between the Gluten Free Paleo Pritikin Low Carb Ketogenic Mediterranean Hollywood Diets? :D

TX Aggie
03-13-2017, 18:18
Yup. The Westward Expansion Diet? Is that a cross between the Gluten Free Paleo Pritikin Low Carb Ketogenic Mediterranean Hollywood Diets? :D

Lol. Honestly, gluten was a major part of it. Flat breads, rice and beans were staples, so was natural sugar.

Dogwood
03-13-2017, 18:25
natural sugar - Most going westward had bad teeth. :D

TX Aggie
03-13-2017, 18:30
natural sugar - Most going westward had bad teeth. :D

Probably right about that.