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saltysack
05-18-2017, 14:13
Looking at a few different meals for this years CT hike that will need to be bought and split up a month or so ahead of time and mailed out...items such as dehydrated re fried beans, powered cheese, nido, rice etc.....was planning on putting in quart freezer bag.
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Tipi Walter
05-18-2017, 14:19
Nido might get a little rancid but most everything else has a long shelf life when properly ziplocked. I home dry all my food and it goes months before consuming---in hefty quart bags stored in the pantry. Dried soups, dried tomatoes, dried burritos, dried cauliflower, dried Amy's vegetarian chilis, dried great northern and pinto and kidney beans, dried cooked quinoa---you name it.
saltysack
05-18-2017, 14:22
Nido might get a little rancid but most everything else has a long shelf life when properly ziplocked. I home dry all my food and it goes months before consuming---in hefty quart bags stored in the pantry. Dried soups, dried tomatoes, dried burritos, dried cauliflower, dried Amy's vegetarian chilis, dried great northern and pinto and kidney beans, dried cooked quinoa---you name it.
What's your repacking procedure?
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Tipi Walter
05-18-2017, 14:45
What's your repacking procedure?
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By "repacking" I assume you mean getting bulk commercially produced dehydrated foods (like Mt House meals or bulk Mary Jane's Farm stuff) and repackaging. I used to do this all the time before jumping into home drying. Mary Jane used to make an excellent pasta meal with dehydrated cheese and I just divided it up into quart ziplocks (hefty with the slider zips---found thru experience that hefty stays closed better than ziploc).
In my demented years when I consumed Mt House (and other) meals I'd remove each meal from the packaging and put in my hefty quart bags. Less trash and all my meals are made in my cook pot anyway. I never had a spoilage issue with any meals containing dried eggs or dried cheese or milk etc. But YMMV.
Best thing to do is right now run your experiment at home and see what happens. Ziplock some stuff and put it in storage and see how it does, before the trip.
Consider buying small oxygen absorbers to place in each bag. You can get them on Amazon. The things that cause spoilage are oxygen, moisture and to a lesser degree heat. Also consider putting your divided up packages in freezer until you ship if you don't want to go oxygen absorber route.
Good luck!
saltysack
05-18-2017, 19:57
I plan to wait till about two weeks prior to start date to repackage...which would be lil over 30 days till the latest one consumed.
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Rex Clifton
05-18-2017, 20:30
You may want to consider a vacuum sealer. I use mine all the time, not just for backpacking food.
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I use a vacuum sealer to store dehydrated food for future trips in mason jars, packaged in zip locks for trips. If you package in seal-a-bags, add a paper towel to prevent hard, sharp foods from puncturing the bags.
In Colorado, I won't worry storing open for 30 days with our low humidity. Since you're originating in Florida I would use oxygen absorbers just to be safe.
rocketsocks
05-19-2017, 07:32
Nido might get a little rancid but most everything else has a long shelf life when properly ziplocked. I home dry all my food and it goes months before consuming---in hefty quart bags stored in the pantry. Dried soups, dried tomatoes, dried burritos, dried cauliflower, dried Amy's vegetarian chilis, dried great northern and pinto and kidney beans, dried cooked quinoa---you name it.I may have asked you this before, but don't recall the awnser...do you rehydrate the burritos bites before eating?
Tipi Walter
05-19-2017, 10:24
I may have asked you this before, but don't recall the awnser...do you rehydrate the burritos bites before eating?
No, I slice them thin and dry and eat as a snack right out of the bag---
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Ziploc also makes 1 pint Freezer Bags. I can get a lot of dry food in Snack and Sandwich bags and group together by meals in either Pint or Quart bags.
Wayne
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HooKooDooKu
05-19-2017, 17:07
For my JMT thru, I used a vacuum sealer and oxygen absorbers.
Two things that come to mind that lasted pretty well even though I had to pRE-package about 2 months ahead of time:
1. Mountain House can of Dehydrated Chicken. I think they would have lasted just fine for a year.
2. Armour can of sliced Dried Beef (the stuff in the vacuum packed glass jar at WalMart). I did a test ahead of time where I repackaged this in a vacuum sealed bag WITHOUT an oxygen absorber, and in less than a month, the color noticeably changed. With an absorber, I think it would easily last 3 months.
saltysack
05-19-2017, 20:35
I'm mainly talking about minute rice, dehydrated refried beens and nido....meat will be packaged jerky or pepperoni
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saltysack
05-19-2017, 20:51
Beans.....
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TwoSpirits
05-19-2017, 21:37
Dehydrating burritos. That is brilliant! I never would have thought (I rarely think of brilliant things....) I want to give this a try -- can you tell me how long and at what temp you do these? Sorry if I missed you saying before.
Tipi Walter
05-19-2017, 21:49
Dehydrating burritos. That is brilliant! I never would have thought (I rarely think of brilliant things....) I want to give this a try -- can you tell me how long and at what temp you do these? Sorry if I missed you saying before.
I dried them at around 115F for many hours, maybe 10-12. Picking the right burrito is also important as dried whole beans are a little crunchy and tough to chew. The best burrito I found is Amy's spinach as below---
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TwoSpirits
05-19-2017, 21:56
Excellent. Thanks!
lonehiker
05-19-2017, 23:29
I'm mainly talking about minute rice, dehydrated refried beens and nido....meat will be packaged jerky or pepperoni
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As long as you keep moisture out, those type of foods will keep for months. I've had Nido, stored in pantry, that has been a couple of years old and it tasted fine. Well, as good as dehydrated milk can taste that is... I agree with those that recommend vacuum sealing as well.
Tipi Walter
05-20-2017, 07:28
Excellent. Thanks!
Warning: It must be remembered that all my burritos are vegetarian and therefore can be dried at lower temps than burritos containing Meat. Such products would need to be dried at least at 145F for many hours---to render the meat properly dehydrated. Just a head's up.
saltysack
05-20-2017, 08:27
As long as you keep moisture out, those type of foods will keep for months. I've had Nido, stored in pantry, that has been a couple of years old and it tasted fine. Well, as good as dehydrated milk can taste that is... I agree with those that recommend vacuum sealing as well.
How was it stored? Ziplock or vacuum sealed? The O2 removal packs are cheap guess I'll try those....rather not spend $$ on vacuum sealer.
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How was it stored? Ziplock or vacuum sealed? The O2 removal packs are cheap guess I'll try those....rather not spend $$ on vacuum sealer.
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My experience last year. Nido, Instant breakfast from the bulk can, Pea Protein from a bulk can. Measured and packaged in Ziplock Snack bags and pint Freezer bags at least a week ahead of my trip. Three weeks on the road and the trail in my car or backpack. A few leftover bags in the refrigerator after I got home. Probably 2 months total for the last portion I consumed after the trip.
Don't worry.
Wayne
Tipi Walter
05-20-2017, 12:12
My experience last year. Nido, Instant breakfast from the bulk can, Pea Protein from a bulk can. Measured and packaged in Ziplock Snack bags and pint Freezer bags at least a week ahead of my trip. Three weeks on the road and the trail in my car or backpack. A few leftover bags in the refrigerator after I got home. Probably 2 months total for the last portion I consumed after the trip.
Don't worry.
Wayne
Since I'm fairly allergic to Nido and powdered milk, I discovered this stuff and it's great with morning coffee/tea. Creamy.
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Thank you. If I see it I'll give it a try.
Wayne
saltysack
05-20-2017, 13:54
Since I'm fairly allergic to Nido and powdered milk, I discovered this stuff and it's great with morning coffee/tea. Creamy.
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Have you tried it cold? Will it mix? I'm also getting away from whey as much as possible as it tears me up...getting worse with age... I always do a morning mix of nido, instant bfast, 2 instant coffee packs in a 20oz Gatorade bottle x 2.....doubt will mix cold....
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Tipi Walter
05-20-2017, 14:23
Have you tried it cold? Will it mix? I'm also getting away from whey as much as possible as it tears me up...getting worse with age... I always do a morning mix of nido, instant bfast, 2 instant coffee packs in a 20oz Gatorade bottle x 2.....doubt will mix cold....
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It mixes well in hot tea/coffee and mixes well of course in the blender for smoothies. Haven't yet tried it in cold drinks. I too must forego most dairy consumption---due to sinus problems.
I dry things very well, til crispy, mostly veggies and fruits. Some moose burger, quinoa, beans, lentils, morels etc. We have a closet full of boxes of dried food and grab it whenever we head out year round. Some of the stuff has been in there for years and I've no fear of eating it. It all sits inside ziplocs. They occasionally get holes in them from sharp things like dried pears or peaches.
lonehiker
05-28-2017, 10:45
How was it stored? Ziplock or vacuum sealed? The O2 removal packs are cheap guess I'll try those....rather not spend $$ on vacuum sealer.
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Original can with the plastic cap. I do live in a low humidity environment so that could be a factor as well.
I make up bins of various trail food prepackaged ready to grab in Ziplocs adding an oxygen absorber as needed as much as 8 months in advance. I reuse the absorbers from pill bottles and jerkies.
TipI is in the know here relating high fat containing foods like jerkies, nuts, other meats, Molly McButter, raw cocout flakes or shredded, etc go stale the fastest.
Here's a tip. Create trail food meals you'll also eat at home. If a trip doesn't work out or you aren't consuming trail meals as fast as had thought eat at home.
Dairy is the number one culprit causing sinus problems for myself on trail. It's noticed as I start abstaining hitting the trail and when I have H and H in coffee ar town stops.
Coconut milk powder goes into meals too. I use a high quality organic version made by NATURES FOREST that I mix into a trail drink containing powdered turmeric. It has to be shaken vigorously before drinking.
saltysack
05-28-2017, 19:42
Coconut milk powder goes into meals too. I use a high quality organic version made by NATURES FOREST that I mix into a trail drink containing powdered turmeric. It has to be shaken vigorously before drinking.
You think it mix w cold water in coffee an IB mix....yea I realize IB has dairy in it...
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