Whats on your wish list that you will never buy?

[Gambit McCrae]

I would have to say for me would be a cottage company down jacket. The price point versus the abuse it takes - i cant value the price.

From another perspective a thru hike. I cant value the time spent away from the real world of contibuting to society. (However when I retire, I will have a goal of 1000 miles per year as a trip estimation.).

Just wanted to give two perspectives of a “wish list” for the topic

[Teacher & Snacktime]

One of those incredibly warm and impossibly expensive sleeping bags....oh wait, got one!

[Feral Bill]

Winter boots that really work in all conditions on extended trips, without being unreasonably heavy, clunky, and uncomfortable. When somebody makes them, I'm buying.

[Crushed Grapes]

Goose down camp booties, lol

[MuddyWaters]

Never....say.....never

[Puddlefish]

Never....say.....never

Yep. I bought stupid expensive snowshoes this year, after years of thinking "I'll never winter hike enough to justify the cost."

Next on my "never" list is one of those stupid expensive lightweight down sleeping bags, because I can cope with the cheaper version I have.

[Deadeye]

I would have to say for me would be a cottage company down jacket. The price point versus the abuse it takes - i cant value the price.

From another perspective a thru hike. I cant value the time spent away from the real world of contibuting to society. (However when I retire, I will have a goal of 1000 miles per year as a trip estimation.).

Just wanted to give two perspectives of a “wish list” for the topic

I appreciate that at the age of 30 you're more concerned about contributing to society than thru hiking. After 30 more years of contribution, you'll have earned some time off for a thru if you want it!

[soumodeler]

I don't think there is anything I will "never" buy, just things I don't see or have a need for now. I used to laugh at a guy who had down pants... now I really want a pair and am just waiting to buy some.

[Crushed Grapes]

I appreciate that at the age of 30 you're more concerned about contributing to society than thru hiking. After 30 more years of contribution, you'll have earned some time off for a thru if you want it!

This post bums me out so much. But LYOL.

[Dogwood]

Gov't permission to thru hike the Great Wall of China.

Thru hiking and contributing to society are not mutually exclusive goals.

[Traffic Jam]

A Keith Titanium Multifunctional Cooker.

[Traffic Jam]

Goose down camp booties, lol

You can make your own out of a cheap Costco down throw! It’s on my list of things to do.

[garlic08]

...Thru hiking and contributing to society are not mutually exclusive goals.

Excellent thought! When I hike into town and people tell me they hope to do what I'm doing someday, I feel that my job is to provide the dreams.
Back on topic, pretty much anything made of cuben. Silnylon's good enough for the price.

[cmoulder]

I appreciate that at the age of 30 you're more concerned about contributing to society than thru hiking. After 30 more years of contribution, you'll have earned some time off for a thru if you want it!
And when you're 65 you'll reach the conclusion that your 401(k) ain't gunna spend itself. :)

And at 70.5 the gummint makes you spend it!

[trailmercury]

And when you're 65 you'll reach the conclusion that your 401(k) ain't gunna spend itself. :)

And at 70.5 the gummint makes you spend it!

Valid point, because if you don't spend it, they get it!

[stephanD]

We hikers do contribute to society by sustaining all kind of businesses that otherwise would not survive; hostels, shuttles, outfitters, etc.

[sethd513]

Rab event tent..... but that might change the older I get


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[Gambit McCrae]

We hikers do contribute to society by sustaining all kind of businesses that otherwise would not survive; hostels, shuttles, outfitters, etc.

yes? I think you are trying to make a point that thru hikers contribute to sustaining business? Meh, I would debate that. I have never seen a thru hiker pay for a ride. Or buy gear from an outfitter(I understand that this does happen) but not enough that it keeps their doors open. Hostels - Yes, thru hikers pay for hostels when they do not do work for stay. But I would say that section hikers, used for semantics, are a much larger contributor of funds than the average thru hiker. After all, I would say that most thru hikers come TO the trail with a very large quantity of what they need, as in they are not buying new items to replace what they brought.....I digress...

Thread back on topic.

[peakbagger]

If I could find someone to make me a set of custom double winter hiking boots I would probably write the check. All the European double plastic boots are one width which is typically narrow. That doesn't work well with size 13 EEEE feet. I am not really thrilled with the boot fitters standard recommendation to just go up a couple of sizes to get the width as then my toes end up way back from the front crampon points and my heel ends up real loose. As it is trying to get the boots to fit the binding on my snowshoes is difficult. I actually has to make a set of bindings for my now retired Scarpas.

[MuddyWaters]

We hikers do contribute to society by sustaining all kind of businesses that otherwise would not survive; hostels, shuttles, outfitters, etc.
Thats pretty much same as purporting that being a consumer contributes to society. Thats....everyone. i dont think most would call that a contribution. I wouldnt.

And, being unemployed, non-tax paying citizen makes one a leech, taking advantage of everything paid for by others taxes. From national defense...to roads.

They do help support rural communities....yes. but without that, those folk would find other income sources, its a net wash.

[Puddlefish]

yes? I think you are trying to make a point that thru hikers contribute to sustaining business? Meh, I would debate that. I have never seen a thru hiker pay for a ride. Or buy gear from an outfitter(I understand that this does happen) but not enough that it keeps their doors open. Hostels - Yes, thru hikers pay for hostels when they do not do work for stay. But I would say that section hikers, used for semantics, are a much larger contributor of funds than the average thru hiker. After all, I would say that most thru hikers come TO the trail with a very large quantity of what they need, as in they are not buying new items to replace what they brought.....I digress...
Thread back on topic.

This is a silly virtue signalling debate. Thru-hikers are no more or no less virtuous/useful to society than, occasional hikers, section hikers, weekend hikers, or non hikers for that matter.

Try to be a decent human, according to your own standards, no matter where you are... or don't.

[Puddlefish]

If I could find someone to make me a set of custom double winter hiking boots I would probably write the check. All the European double plastic boots are one width which is typically narrow. That doesn't work well with size 13 EEEE feet. I am not really thrilled with the boot fitters standard recommendation to just go up a couple of sizes to get the width as then my toes end up way back from the front crampon points and my heel ends up real loose. As it is trying to get the boots to fit the binding on my snowshoes is difficult. I actually has to make a set of bindings for my now retired Scarpas.

My Symbioz Elite snowshoes have a pretty generous width adjustment feature. Maybe not THAT generous, but might be worth checking out.

[Time Zone]

Valid point, because if you don't spend it, they get it!
Uh, not quite.
Please take this in the humorous spirit intended.

<Manitowoc Minute>

Oh my gosh!

If it's really dat hard to spend your RMD money, even on friends and family, you can donate it to charity tax-free.

Keep 'er movin'

Go Packers and .... ______ da Bears.
</Manitowoc Minute>

[Slo-go'en]

We hikers do contribute to society by sustaining all kind of businesses that otherwise would not survive; hostels, shuttles, outfitters, etc.

I shutter to think how much money I've spent on gear over the years. Got a closet full of packs, sleeping bags and a big pile of worn out boots.

What do I want and will never by? A cuben fiber tent and rain suit.

[Gambit McCrae]

I shutter to think how much money I've spent on gear over the years. Got a closet full of packs, sleeping bags and a big pile of worn out boots.

What do I want and will never by? A cuben fiber tent and rain suit.

Get ya one :)

[trailmercury]

Uh, not quite.
Please take this in the humorous spirit intended.

<Manitowoc Minute>

Oh my gosh!

If it's really dat hard to spend your RMD money, even on friends and family, you can donate it to charity tax-free.

Keep 'er movin'

Go Packers and .... ______ da Bears.
</Manitowoc Minute>

I tried hard to find the humor, and couldn't...

Go Bears!

Clarifying what I stated above...If the IRS decides you need to be drawing from an IRA etc, and for some reason you don't (like maybe you didn't know there was a penalty for this) then it would be too late come tax time to give it away (I am not an accountant or advisor of finance, just going off family experience)


My item would be a MLD DCF Supermid with DCF innernet, CF pole and zipper care for 1275.00 plus tax.

[Deadeye]

...a Sherpa (or it's robotic equivalent, because I know you really can't buy a Sherpa so don't be hatin' on me)

[Funkmeister]

A trip to the summit of Everest.

[stephanD]

Contradiction: How can you WISH for something that you will NEVER buy? If you wish for something, and you can afford it, then you can buy it. I you wish for something, and you cannot afford it, then you cannot buy it. But if you will NEVER buy something, what does it mean you wish for it? Please explain.

[trailmercury]

Don't children "wish" for presents that they may never receive?

[Gambit McCrae]

Contradiction: How can you WISH for something that you will NEVER buy? If you wish for something, and you can afford it, then you can buy it. I you wish for something, and you cannot afford it, then you cannot buy it. But if you will NEVER buy something, what does it mean you wish for it? Please explain.

"I wish I had a Lamborghini" - I can not afford a lambo.
"I wish all my hiking crap was Dyneema" - I can afford dyneema crap but I can not justify it.

The result is the same. I don't have a lambo and I don't have all dyneema crap. The I WISH is the same TOO.

Thread back on track >>

[T.S.Kobzol]

I do not put things on my list that I would never buy

[GankenBerry]

a tent that costs over $600

[GankenBerry]

also a 0 degree bag.

[fiddlehead]

2 years ago, I would've said "trekking poles" but then I hiked in the (very steep) Montenegro and Albania and had to find sticks to help me up some of the hills, it was THAT steep!
So, I bought a set.
Took them to Taiwan (which is also very very steep!) and tried using them.
On the 2nd day, I tripped over one and it bent.
Now it won't go into it's sleeve all the way and I can no longer fit it reliably on my pack.
So, into the closest they go, and I'll go back to saying: "I'll never use trekking poles again"
I do believe they are a crutch most of the time and get in the way.
But they do have uses, especially very steep uphills, jumping small creeks, fording rivers, and keeping dogs at bay.
But for hiking on level or slight grades: No thanks, i'll use my balance and tone those skills.

What else would I never buy: camp chairs (at least for hiking, they can be useful at the beach)
Heavy boots, $50+ titanium cookpots, MSR whisperlight stove, etc (I'm sure there's more)
I'm pretty happy with my gear now although a roomier yet lightweight tent is maybe in the cards once they invent one I like. (use a tarptent now but bugs and insects can be a problem)

[Alligator]

Titanium flask.
Eiderdown sleeping bag.
Cuben pyramid tent.
GI Joe with the Kung ... Ok I don't want that anymore.

[Time Zone]

I tried hard to find the humor, and couldn't...

Go Bears!

Clarifying what I stated above...If the IRS decides you need to be drawing from an IRA etc, and for some reason you don't (like maybe you didn't know there was a penalty for this) then it would be too late come tax time to give it away (I am not an accountant or advisor of finance, just going off family experience)

Check out the Manitowoc Minute on youtube. Maybe you'll find the humor in the original form. Since you're listed as being from there I thought you might know about it and the catchphrases and so forth.

But yes, I'm familiar with the IRS rules on RMDs. You just have to take it. You don't have to spend it ... it can go in your bank account, or give to a friend/relative. And you can arrange to give it to charity. Someone at my wife's church has arranged her annual giving to the church to take advantage of this. So the cost of her "offering" is less than if it was with after-tax money, or she can give more since it's not taxed. Tying it back to hiking, I'm sure there are hiking-related charities for which this could be done. Perhaps the ATC.

And tying back to the original thread ... IDK. There aren't really items on my wish list that I'll never buy. It's not a money thing, it's more a moneys-worth thing, and it's often difficult to figure out of a particular item is worth getting. The pros and cons (of the item itself, and vs. other possible options already in the gear closet) often are in such balance as to make the buying decision vexing.

[Time Zone]

A trip to the summit of Everest.
Reading Krakauer's Into Thin Air cured me of that daydream. It went from "That would be amazing, but probably well beyond any fitness level I could reach" to "That actually sounds miserable, I don't want to do it even if I could."

[trailmercury]

Reading Krakauer's Into Thin Air cured me of that daydream. It went from "That would be amazing, but probably well beyond any fitness level I could reach" to "That actually sounds miserable, I don't want to do it even if I could."

I agree with this, that's why Denali is a much more reasonable goal. Still gonna be hard, but more doable than Everest.

[BlackCloud]

A prostitute....

[Puddlefish]

Don't children "wish" for presents that they may never receive?

I'm still waiting for that Hot Wheels double racing track with the loop! Maybe I'll buy one and donate it to a Christmas toy drive. (I promise I won't open it... even a little.)

[RockDoc]

Won't buy cheap (Chinese) garbage. Bring on high-quality American-made gear. I don't care about the price if the quality is top. I'll save money elsewhere.

[linus72]

along the lines of Gankenberry's post re $600 tent. I've always lusted over a Duplex, but likely will never spend that much on a tent. I already have too many. However, if I ever see a nice camo one around $450 in decent shape... MAAAAYYYBEEEEEE.

[Zalman]

The mere fact that people exist who push the limits of human endurance is in itself a powerful contribution to society, inspiring the goal-driven attitudes that lead to invention and social prosperity. There are many more ways to contribute to society than just economically.

To answer the OP: I'd buy anything on my list.

[foodbag]

I won't buy things that I want from Amazon, except Kindle books under $3.00. I support small businesses whenever possible. I have mixed feelings about Wal Mart because I buy groceries there but I don't buy "stuff" there.

As far as the part of the discussion about being a productive member of society goes, I would not feel bad about not paying taxes and all of that other "supportive" stuff while thruhiking. There are more than enough consumers present to buy "stuff" in my stead if I'm away hiking for an extended period.

In the spirit of the original post, I wouldn't buy a Z Packs Arc Blast.

[Ethesis]

One of those incredibly warm and impossibly expensive sleeping bags....oh wait, got one!

i was that way. Wife insisted.

Same with rain gear.

[MuddyWaters]

I won't buy things that I want from Amazon, except Kindle books under $3.00. I support small businesses whenever possible. I have mixed feelings about Wal Mart because I buy groceries there but I don't buy "stuff" there.

As far as the part of the discussion about being a productive member of society goes, I would not feel bad about not paying taxes and all of that other "supportive" stuff while thruhiking. There are more than enough consumers present to buy "stuff" in my stead if I'm away hiking for an extended period.

In the spirit of the original post, I wouldn't buy a Z Packs Arc Blast.

Small businesses sell on amazon too........
Amazon is just a one stop marketplace with fast delivery.
American jobs btw involved at every step.

I like brick and mortar stores, but when you can order what you want, and stores dont carry it, theres no going back. Online order is here to stay, end .Expanding to even groceries. Saves time and money.

I buy a few gift items from Etsy....a good place where small artisans market their stuff.

Walmart ....is china mart basically. Very sad to see.
But it is the cheap throwaway crap that allows the average american to have stuff. We could not afford everything to be american made.....or even japanese....thats why people had so few items prior to chinese mfg explosion. The poor masses without any savings....still have all the toys....pacifies them...keeps them content.

Think of it this way...we are exploiting them...cheap labor. they are polluting their country and we are not. But it wont last. The cycle for emerging cheap labor in foreign countries is about 30 yrs. Once people expect a better standard of living, you have to move production elsewhere. Japan went thru it, and korea. Chinas probably halfway. Where next?

I was watching tv the other day with wife, sparks fell out bottom of tv.. Went down to china mart and bought a new 50" tv, $300. Its throwaway, they all are. Couldnt have bought that 15 yrs ago, even not-smart and not flat .screen.

[MtDoraDave]

Never is a word that I have found doesn't apply to when I will pay $X for hiking gear.
I started a savings account for hiking gear, and it has grown enough to justify just about anything I used to think was unreasonably expensive.
At the moment, my $220 sleeping bag and my $300 tent will keep me warm and dry until it's time to replace them...but when it is time:
$500 sleeping bag? Sure.
$600 tent? Sure.

[KnightErrant]

I have mostly mid-quality gear bought on sale when possible and I would consider upgrading Big 3 items if I decide to do another long trail. At first I was aghast at the prices of Zpacks stuff, but my now-boyfriend pointed out that if he was living in his Duplex for 5-6 months, why not spend one month's worth of rent on it? I still love my lil' REI quarter dome, but I might use that kind of rationale for getting a nice ultralight pack and/or quilt if I end up hiking the PCT.

The main thing I find hard to justify is expensive clothing. Maybe for a good puffy, but everything else, it's hard to justify $100+ for clothing items when adequate stuff is a third of the price or less, and there's not the big weight difference that you see between other high- vs. low-quality gear. At Trail Days I tried on a hiking dress from LightHeart Gear and was tempted. I kept coming back to their booth over the course of the weekend just to touch it. It was thoughtfully designed for hiking, with great pockets, and looked cute. But I ended up hiking most of the remainder of my thru-hike in a $3 pair of running shorts I got from that thrift store in Damascus where everyone buys silly clothes for the parade. I bought them just to wear during laundry, but ended up finding them more convenient than my Nike leggings (thought I wanted the leggings for bug/poison ivy protection, but poison ivy and ticks turned out to be a non-issue, and mosquitoes could bite right through them).

I still love the idea of that LightHeart hiking dress. But I'll never spend $90 on it when there's something adequate for so much less.

[Uriah]

Won't buy cheap (Chinese) garbage. Bring on high-quality American-made gear. I don't care about the price if the quality is top. I'll save money elsewhere.

The Chinese also make some very nice stuff, like the phone or computer you are using.

[Leo L.]

I was in the market for one of those lightweight, very small packing inflatable pads, to replace my selfinflating Thermarest Prolite Plus.

Now I have been on a short desert trip recently and we decided to stay overnight in a cave, which seemed to be an extremely nice place.
Light faded quick in the evening and preparing the exact spot in the cave for the night we did in a bit of a hurry. Which was a really bad idea.
The Thermarest went flat even before I could put my body to rest. There were too many thorns mixed with the sand on the floor, which I hadn't noticed before.

So now I'm sure I'll never buy one of those lightweight, extra-thin inflatables.

[Zalman]

Won't buy cheap (Chinese) garbage. Bring on high-quality American-made gear. I don't care about the price if the quality is top. I'll save money elsewhere.

Just perusing through my high-quality gear. Turns out my big 3 are all American-made: Feathered Friends, SeekOutside, Tarptent. Also my Danner boots. But none of my other quality clothing is; I wonder if it's possible to get quality backcountry wear that's made in the U.S.A. Even North American companies like Arc'teryx (made in Burma) and Railriders (made in Mauritius) outsource construction.

[Bubblehead]

Z-packs tent...

[Rift Zone]

Mountain Hardwear Satellite. -like the mini 4 person geodesic dome thing. Discontinued!?! *whimper*. Hope I catch up with one at some point.

[Dogwood]

I would have to say for me would be a cottage company down jacket. The price point versus the abuse it takes - i cant value the price.

From another perspective a thru hike. I cant value the time spent away from the real world of contibuting to society. (However when I retire, I will have a goal of 1000 miles per year as a trip estimation.).

Just wanted to give two perspectives of a “wish list” for the topic

A different perspective: One can contribute to society on a thru hike or as one travels. Perhaps, more so in some ways. Thru hiking does nor have to be approached in an always self indulgent alienated manner. If one is bettering themselves on a thru hike, or any activity outside of society, and return to the so called "real world" doesn't that better society? Aren't there many examples of people who did/do exactly this?


Look at Tipi Walter's trip reports. Even though he has some anti societal issues and isn't 'thru-hiking'(he actually is in his own way) look how many people he influences by genuinely engaging with them, being interested in NOT just himself; look at all the pics of people he offers in every trip report; look at the trail maintenance he offers for the benefit of others and himself. Tipi's perspective is to make himself genuinely available to others while hiking/camping. Sure he's out in Mrs Nature for himself BUT NOT JUST FOR HIMSELF. Hiking or even thru -hiking does NOT have to be a 100% alienated selfish affair.

[Astro]

Small businesses sell on amazon too........
Amazon is just a one stop marketplace with fast delivery.
American jobs btw involved at every step.

I like brick and mortar stores, but when you can order what you want, and stores dont carry it, theres no going back. Online order is here to stay, end .Expanding to even groceries. Saves time and money.

I buy a few gift items from Etsy....a good place where small artisans market their stuff.

Walmart ....is china mart basically. Very sad to see.
But it is the cheap throwaway crap that allows the average american to have stuff. We could not afford everything to be american made.....or even japanese....thats why people had so few items prior to chinese mfg explosion. The poor masses without any savings....still have all the toys....pacifies them...keeps them content.

Think of it this way...we are exploiting them...cheap labor. they are polluting their country and we are not. But it wont last. The cycle for emerging cheap labor in foreign countries is about 30 yrs. Once people expect a better standard of living, you have to move production elsewhere. Japan went thru it, and korea. Chinas probably halfway. Where next?

I was watching tv the other day with wife, sparks fell out bottom of tv.. Went down to china mart and bought a new 50" tv, $300. Its throwaway, they all are. Couldnt have bought that 15 yrs ago, even not-smart and not flat .screen.

Where next? Perhaps Africa. China has been investing heavily there for the natural resources, but also potential for cheap labor once some infrastructure is in place.

[petedelisio]

yes? I think you are trying to make a point that thru hikers contribute to sustaining business? Meh, I would debate that. I have never seen a thru hiker pay for a ride. Or buy gear from an outfitter(I understand that this does happen) but not enough that it keeps their doors open.

Thread back on topic.

I have bought my fair share of footwear, and sleep kit from outfitters and I budget way lower than the average thruhiker.

Have seen many with money upgrade their gear, and footwear when I would have gotten hundreds more miles out of the kickers.
I have seen hikers almost completely revamp their gear while thruhiking.

Many buy new gear instead of having their changeout sent to them like they had planned.

Sure it might not keep the outfitters doors open, but it is part of the collective.


Never got a outfitter shuttle, but payed for a fair share of hostel and other various shuttles.

[petedelisio]

2 years ago, I would've said "trekking poles" but then I hiked in the (very steep) Montenegro and Albania and had to find sticks to help me up some of the hills, it was THAT steep!
So, I bought a set.
Took them to Taiwan (which is also very very steep!) and tried using them.
On the 2nd day, I tripped over one and it bent.
Now it won't go into it's sleeve all the way and I can no longer fit it reliably on my pack.
So, into the closest they go, )

Are there two loops on the bottom back of your pack?