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devoidapop
12-28-2018, 14:31
I got a pair of possum down liner gloves for Christmas and I was looking at shell mittens to pair with them. The three options I've found are
OR shuck mitts-$35 soft shell
MLD rain mitts-$45 event, comes with seam sealer
Zpacks rain mitts-$65 taped seams, elastic wrist bands

Anybody have experience with these?
Thanks

Hatchet_1697
12-28-2018, 14:55
I have the MLDs, lightweight, keep the water out, but were kind of a pain to seam seal. If I had a time machine Id go back and buy the Zpacks ones instead... and of course Amazon, Tesla, and Apple stock :)


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fastfoxengineering
12-28-2018, 21:27
Everyone I know who has Zpacks said they fell apart quickly. Things might have changed with the newer Vertice fabric. But seriously $65 for rain mitts that don't hold up well?

MLD eVent Rain Mitts are highly regarded. Borah Gear is also a solid choice.

It took some time to seam seal the MLD's. But they are really nice.

The possum down gloves also have a tendency to fall apart real quick. When those are toasted get some fleece liners. The synthetics hold up much better.

My glove system is Montbell Chameece Liners, OR PL400 Mitts, MLD eVent Rain Mitts. Good for me down to about zero degrees. In 3 season, i forego the insulating layer. Other than that, the liners and shells are in my pack pretty much 24/7

Dogwood
12-28-2018, 22:02
For milder lighter wetter and windier conditions I use the OR Versaliner Pertex Shield DS + un-seamsealed shell portion without the liners with either the ZP Possum down gloves or Smartwool merino gloves as the liner. I prefer a glove over a mitt for these times. Since I'd also be carrying a rain jacket under wet conditions and I'm not using trekking poles most times I supplement the hand protection with a rain jacket option with hand pockets. The OR Versaliner shell glove components will wet out by themselves in heavy wet weather. The merino or possum down/merino blend of the inner helps with the warmth IF hands get wet. ZP's possum down gloves are not all possum down. they are a combination of PD and lambs wool. Both the SW and ZP PD gloves used by themselves are NOT the most durable IMO.

When I know high odds exist of experiencing heavy deluges I go to the MLD seam sealed mitts. As long as I don't raise my hands too high their longer wrist length is appreciated in keeping hands dry as I layer them under the rain shell arms. It helps to have a good seal around the wrist cuff in the choice of rain jacket too especially if you're using sticks. Again, rain jacket hand pockets compliment hand warmth and dryness goals. It's rare I experience cold drenched hands using either of these options. For even more warmth I may drop a Hot Hands packet into each liner. When it's dry and cold or climbing mountaineering cold water paddling I switch to a different glove or mitt choice.

What I don't want is to use a minimalist WP membrane or UL mitt or glove if I'm extensively using sticks as that can interfere or degrade the WP or WR traits of what's on my hands.

gbolt
12-28-2018, 23:16
The last thing I purchased befor my 2018 Thru hike were the Possum Gloves and the Vertice Rain mitt; partially because they didn’t need seam sealed. After two Nor’easters and one snow storm and cold temperatures between 3/15 and 4/17, I was overjoyed with this combination. However, the (albeit expensive) $65 Rain Mitts were worth their weight in gold and used in temps over freezing, up to 50*, both in precipitation and sometimes just to start the mornings. I have continued to use the Rain Mitts on day hikes and they seem to get more use than the Possum gloves themselves. Yet, under 30* the combination is my go to gear.

Odd Man Out
12-28-2018, 23:51
My possum down gloves also disintegrated pretty quickly, FWIW. Replaced this years with some TNF liners. Also in the market for some overmitts.

Tipi Walter
12-29-2018, 00:25
On my last trip I wore fleece gloves under my MLD eVent shell mitts and used this system to clean wet snow off my tent for several days. The inner gloves got nearly soaked in the process. MLD mitt shells any good? No, not really.

Cheyou
12-29-2018, 07:28
https://andrewskurka.com/2017/review-showa-281-gloves-temres/

Dogwood
12-29-2018, 08:37
https://andrewskurka.com/2017/review-showa-281-gloves-temres/
Ordered them based on that article. As AS says he would take them off to air out his hands... vent. They don't breathe very well despite what he says and not as well as the MLD eVent mitts or the OR Versaliner Pertex Shield + shell. The 281's are cheap and more durable than those though. If I'm in a deluge just above freezing and using WP gloves for dryness and warmth on a backwoods backpacking trip I'm not all that keen on taking my WP gloves off to vent!

K-dub
12-29-2018, 08:39
REI minimalist GTX mittens $45

Just acquired these, haven’t used them yet. I hated having rain-soaked gloves so I hope these work.

devoidapop
12-29-2018, 09:20
https://andrewskurka.com/2017/review-showa-281-gloves-temres/

This seems like a half step up from wearing bread bags with rubber bands on the wrists. I had plenty of dishwashing jobs as a kid and my hands were always pruned up from sweat at the end of a shift.

Cheyou
12-29-2018, 09:25
Waterproof breathable fabric is a waste of money “in my opinion “ . Especially for gloves, mittens . I hate to say it but I’m siding with Tipi. :0) . With the money I save using cheep army surplus vinyl mitten shells I’m buying a fly rod or taking the wife to lunch, new snow shovel. Well not a snow shovel.

Thom

Colter
12-29-2018, 14:45
I've got MLD rain mitts. I'm not impressed with the design. They've got some strange, non-ergonomic curve to them and they fit loose and sloppy.

I'm surprised there isn't a cottage manufacturer improving on the design.

That said, they are light, and they are a heck of a lot better than nothing.

Inspired by your question, I just ordered a pair of OR Shuck Mitts.

swisscross
12-29-2018, 15:29
On my last trip I wore fleece gloves under my MLD eVent shell mitts and used this system to clean wet snow off my tent for several days. The inner gloves got nearly soaked in the process. MLD mitt shells any good? No, not really.

I have had my MLD mitts in rain and snow. Bone dry.

Dogwood
12-29-2018, 18:27
Waterproof breathable fabric is a waste of money “in my opinion “ . Especially for gloves, mittens. Thom
Yet, you promoted an as advertised waterproof breathable glove. :o

Dogwood
12-29-2018, 18:45
If you want to give them a looksie over before buying or not buying on line incurring additional shipping costs Showa 281's and other Showa glove models I've seen sold at plant nurseries, some farm markets, fish markets and fishing gear stores. They are fairly popular at fishing gear stores in Hawaii. Showa Atlas mesh and latex palm and finger gloves, the kind masons or landscapers use, are sold cheaply at HD and Lowes. If $ is a particular issue try heavier mil Nitrile gloves as the inner component of the glove. They cost pennies. Better than bread bags. Get ready for the sweet though. In the horticultural industry that's what we sometimes do in cold wet weather where we're not engaged in highly strenuous activity - line Showa Atlas gloves with industrial Nitrile gloves.

Venchka
12-29-2018, 22:43
Jumping in the Wayback Machine...
Early 1980s.
Leading Edge in Boulder, CO.
A Mail order purveyor of running gear for folks in, you guessed it, Colorado. And anywhere that people ran year round.
I bought a pair of Gore-Tex Runners Mittens, size Large. Weight = 1.44 ounces for the pair. They are large enough for synthetic or wool glove liners. Elastic at the wrist and Velcro at the upper edge of the cuff to seal off drafts or drips. They are absolutely wind proof. I used them alone in New Orleans. My hands were never cold at temperatures in the 30s, breezy, and liquid air. The same conditions that are common in the North Carolina Rainforest this time of year.
A competent Cottage Company should be making these mittens again. Did I mention that they weigh 1.44 ounces?
Wayne

CalebJ
12-30-2018, 00:03
Do you still have them, or at least what's left after thirty years?

OwenM
12-30-2018, 01:31
I have the MLDs, lightweight, keep the water out, but were kind of a pain to seam seal.
A pain why?
I've had a pair for years, and never used them. Been having poor luck with the weather lately, and got them out today. Probably bring them to work tomorrow night and do the seam sealing.
Also gonna try some long gaiters and a rain wrap/kilt/skirt in place of rain pants. Always wondered how I'd look in a skirt...:banana

Leo L.
12-30-2018, 04:39
What about elbow-length veterinary gloves?
There are some stronger ones which could be used for rain mitts.
Might provide a solution for poncho-users too.

devoidapop
12-30-2018, 09:35
I ordered some goretex over mitts designed for motorcyclists. They were $10 with shipping. Weight wasn't listed but I'll check them on the scale when they arrive. I'm gonna put them to use in Colorado in January and I'm sure plenty of wet hikes here in NC. If they are useful, I'll let y'all know.

Venchka
12-30-2018, 11:26
Do you still have them, or at least what's left after thirty years?
I do indeed have them. They are in 100% wearable condition. I weighed them for the first time yesterday before I wrote my description.
Wayne

Dogwood
12-30-2018, 18:07
I've got MLD rain mitts. I'm not impressed with the design. They've got some strange, non-ergonomic curve to them and they fit loose and sloppy.

I'm surprised there isn't a cottage manufacturer improving on the design.

I'm yet to see or demo any UL WP shell mitts that aren't a little loose and sloppy. This is why for backpacking and hiking I prefer WP or WR shell gloves when not contending with deep cold. Fit comfort depends on how one holds their hands tho wearing mitts and the qualities of the liner, if they are added. These are micro details but some see them as important.

Some mitt designs have the thumb positioned sticking straight out to the side. It makes manufacturing easier. But that's not how people hold their hands when hiking. We're not kindergarteners making a traced hand drawing of a turkey using our hand flat on a surface. That's an unnatural position when hiking and backpacking. Hikers and backpackers tend towards a loosely clenched finger/hand - more closed hand position - with hands and wrist slightly curved downward in the vertical plane with palm positions either facing down or somewhere between facing down and to the side. MLD's slight curved design facilitates a more naturally hand held design aiding comfort especially for those who use trekking poles. When hands are held in a vertical plane gravity influences how they are held. Hands curve a tiny bit with the wrists slightly bent vertically. I assume Ron was noting these things in the MLD eVent design. I find the MLD eVent mitt economically curved design most comfortable when I'm using trekking poles or when I have my hands in pockets as they assume that vertically curved wrist and hand position.


A lot of mitt designs are IMHO nothing more than a slight improvement in dexterity and comfort than wearing socks on my hands. What I've started to do, since very often I'm carrying two different types of socks, is wear WP socks or the second pr on my hands for pseudo mitts.

The OR Shuck, OR Versaliner, MLD eVent, ZP Vertices, and REI GTX Minimalist are all UL MINIMALISTS ULTRALIGHT pieces. If you opt for any of these the buyer should be aware what that often means i.e; less durability, more TLC needed, sometimes pricier materials, etc That was probably one of AS's considerations by using and reviewing Showa gloves.


"I'm surprised there isn't a cottage manufacturer improving on the design." MLD is a cottage manufacturer. IMHO that's what Ron did. He improved on previous mitt designs. We'll likely see improvements evolving beyond that.

Dogwood
12-30-2018, 18:21
When opting for a heavy colder weather more durable technical WP/WR mitt or glove it's not unusual for the price to triple compared to any of these UL minimalist offerings. I assume that was on Andrews's mind considering the Showas.

Colter
12-30-2018, 19:19
I didn't suggest that MLD wasn't a cottage manufacturer, I meant probably only a cottage manufacturer would tackle an improvement of a niche product.

Slightly loose is good. Sloppy loose is bad. Maybe the newer ones aren't so loose.

These mitts might be ergonomic for other people. They certainly aren't for me. If I held my hiking poles shoulder high, the curve might make sense.

This picture illustrates nicely why I dislike the curve: http://www.trailblaze-trekking.com/possumdown-gloves-mld-event-rain-mitts.html

Franco
12-30-2018, 19:26
If seam sealing, I suggest a thin enough solution so that it can penetrate the stitching rather than paint it on top of them. The painted bit tends to peel off . Could be a good idea for some designs to do both sides. I did with my first generation Gore Tex mitts (yes they are old now...)

sethd513
01-01-2019, 13:16
I like my event Borah gear mits. Fits fleece gloves or my heavyweight black diamond softshell gloves.


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devoidapop
01-15-2019, 16:18
https://www.motardinn.com/motorcycle-equipment/garibaldi-rain-overgloves-black/1317252/p

These came today. The pair weigh 75 grams. $10 shipped from Netherlands. They have 2 elastic cuffs. one at the wrist, another about 4 inches up the forearm. I wear Large gloves and the fit is pretty true. At first feel, I doubt they are breathable but I'm gonna try them out next week on some day hikes in Vail.

Dogwood
01-15-2019, 17:18
Motortard?

devoidapop
01-15-2019, 18:13
Motortard?
Yeah, there's something lost in translation there.

OwenM
01-16-2019, 12:45
I've had a pair for years, and never used them. Been having poor luck with the weather lately, and got them out today. Probably bring them to work tomorrow night and do the seam sealing.
So I sealed the seams a couple weeks ago, but haven't used them in the rain, yet.
They sure are nice when collecting water in sub-freezing temps, though. I normally do that barehanded, to keep from getting my gloves wet.

TexasBob
01-17-2019, 12:17
What about elbow-length veterinary gloves?
There are some stronger ones which could be used for rain mitts.
Might provide a solution for poncho-users too.

Is this what you talking about? https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/producers-pride-ob-sleeves-clear

They work great for this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bciVWz6WskQ :eek:

Not so much for hiking. :)

Leo L.
01-18-2019, 16:19
Strange video, but I'm basically used to such things, having grown up on a (tiny) farm.

Once it happened that I broke my arm right before leaving for a desert/beach combo holiday.
Went to the local veterinary who gave me several pairs of such long-sleeve gloves, which worked really great to pull over the plaster and allowed me to go swimming.

SawnieRobertson
01-18-2019, 19:05
Hmmm, got a photo of them?

Leo L.
01-19-2019, 03:28
You mean, applied? No, sorry.

seekinglost
01-19-2019, 18:22
Tried the MLD mitts, and they just weren't for me. It just felt like a grocery bag or something, making holding a trekking pole about the only thing I could do with them and even that felt awkward. I ended up using OR Versaliners last year on the CDT. 2.8oz for essential two pairs of gloves, one layer worn over the other (or independently) Love 'em!

Dogwood
01-20-2019, 02:26
Tried the MLD mitts, and they just weren't for me. It just felt like a grocery bag or something, making holding a trekking pole about the only thing I could do with them and even that felt awkward. I ended up using OR Versaliners last year on the CDT. 2.8oz for essential two pairs of gloves, one layer worn over the other (or independently) Love 'em!

You can get lighter with as equal warmth if you swap out the inner. I still have the inner never worn. Anyone need some XL Versaliner liners? They are yours if you're in financial hardship. I simply ask you pay for shipping. Christmas through Jan. :D

rustmd
01-20-2019, 15:43
Been using z-pack rain mitts now...work great & worth the price.
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