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Russet Apple
08-07-2003, 14:19
thinking of thru-hiking in April but how would one go about sorting out some weed or a little speed? Is there 'regular' stop offs where these things are easily obtained?
*Obviously I don't condone the use of hard drugs of any sort but we all like to unwind a little at the end of a tough day don't we.
There's a Hiking Hostel in Palmerton, PA where you can find what you need. Just ask the Caretaker.
trailangelmary
08-07-2003, 15:20
Very Good possibilities in Duncannon,PA
steve hiker
08-07-2003, 15:25
Drugs* are sold in display cases at some of the better shelters on the AT. You can use VISA/MC if you don't carry around alot of cash.
*patents pending
Streamweaver
08-07-2003, 15:57
Trail days is your best chance to score!! Just look for the dealer dressed as the police cheif ,hell fix you right up!! Streamweaver
dionalaniz
08-07-2003, 16:21
Man, i'm no prude but I sure am glad i'm leaving early in the season so i can avoid shelters filled w/ people smoking dope, getting drunk, and doing drugs. Sure, i dabble in a few shrooms while at home, but can't you go without it for once during your hike? Or at least not make people uncomfortable by doing it in the shelter? What an adult does in his/her own home is his/her own business. But a shelter is different. There are parents who hike w/ their children. It's just not cool to force the presence of drugs onto all those in a shelter.
Wow, can't believe i'm saying this. Usually *i'm* the freakazoid liberal in any crowd.
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Streamweaver
08-07-2003, 16:31
Yeah I think Easy is getting bored!
Lone Wolf
08-07-2003, 16:42
FKN DOPERS!
Streamweaver
08-07-2003, 17:40
I think I have a copy of Reefer Madness around here somewhere. Time to scare them dopers straight!!! Now where did I put that? Oh yeah there it is next to my bong collection and cheech and chong albums. Streamweaver
squirrel bait
08-07-2003, 18:09
What the hell is hard stuff if it doesn't include speed? HUH? Unwind doing the crank? Man I grew up in the late sixties and early seventies and didn't always say no but I don't get this post. Some tents I agree have a funny smell but the occupants are usually nice even if they are extremely hungry and thirsty. But winding down by what, snorting it, smoking it (chasing the dragon), shooting it. This is bogus.
Mike Drinkuth
08-07-2003, 19:16
he he he...this post is funny!;)
ATC Headquarters in Harper's Ferry, VA offers discounts to members. Ask for "the local stuff" in the fall.
B Thrash
08-07-2003, 20:04
Maybe if you pull a tooth and put it under your pillow a Tooth Fairy may bring you some. Or maybe a DEA Agent may bring you some, who knows, you may find some growing wild in the mountains.
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Lone Wolf
08-08-2003, 01:58
Trailplace HATES marijuana, booze, moonshine, blue-blazing, cell phones, leki poles(i agree), slackpacking, etc., etc. Shine on you crazy diamond. You wore out your welcme. Kiss my big aze!
Russet Apple
08-08-2003, 03:42
well, for a kick off, speed is my drug of choice. Makes me feel good. In England, it's a class B drug and a slap on the wrist if a small quantity (personal use) is found in your possession. No big deal. As it's bombed, it really doesn't come into contact with other people. Harmless stuff from The Apple!
Weed, that was a suggestion for my likely companion. Man, I don't even smoke cigarettes!
So. PA seems to be the first place we can score. That's a hell of a way.
Is there any place where you can pick up a lady of the night on the trail as well? Something not too old, nothing saggy. Funbags you can bounce marbles off would be nice.
trailangelmary
08-08-2003, 06:29
WOW! This has gotten crazy!!!
trailangelmary
08-08-2003, 06:31
Now you're talking about getting ladies of the night and you've not even left civilization yet?!?!?!?!
Russet Apple
08-08-2003, 07:28
well, one has to cover one's bases Mary babes. One doesn't want to end up in the middle of knowhere, find oneself drugless, womanless and the shelters have no tv.
Wingfoot tells us to be prepared and that's our aim.
I don't suppose you'll be hiking it next year will ya? If so, send me a pic and maybe we can achieve one of our goals straightaway.
Rock & roll
dionalaniz
08-08-2003, 11:54
If there are any dopers in the shelter with me, they will leave or there will be fisticuffs.
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Originally posted by Russet Apple
One doesn't want to end up in the middle of knowhere, find oneself drugless, womanless and the shelters have no tv.
Rock & roll
I though most of us went into the woods to escape those things (TV, drugs, and womanizers). If that's what you want in life, why would you hike the trail? :confused:
icemanat95
08-08-2003, 15:21
Troll alert.
This guy is either a complete neanderthal or is just yanking everyone's chain.
Don't feed the trolls.
trailangelmary
08-08-2003, 16:51
I think he is yanking our chain, Iceman. Of course, the Englanders I met had a different sense of humor and/or they don't get out much!!!
Russet Apple
08-08-2003, 16:59
blimey, one tries and ask a serious question and one gets oneself shot down in flames.
Thank for your help guys.
Hey Mary, can I read from that you might be game?
Do us all a favor and stay in England. :mad:
B Thrash
08-08-2003, 19:53
Don't know about picking up a lady on the AT. FUBAR picked on one and you see what happen to him.
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Don't know about picking up a lady on the AT. FUBAR picked on one and you see what happen to him.
no need to resurrect that one.
Russet Apple:
I don't think anyone means to offend you , Russet Apple, just because you interject a little tongue-in-cheek controversy into the rather large pile of otherwise fine opinions here. It is this site's acceptance of all opinions-whether controversial or not- which makes it unique. In fact, it is really what makes us all unique.
So, as far as being welcome here, our cousins are always welcome to our land at anytime. We only ask, however, that you not try and claim us for the Crown again or force us all to drink tea!:D
asmtroop3
08-10-2003, 07:27
Sounds like he needs to leave is pack in the closet and just go to Vegas instead. He can get anything he wants(excepting Alice), and we can get on the trail without all this nonsence.
I really hope this is a spoof thread. Is is a chuckle, but if not, Seriously....
Dionalaniz, Lighten up. :banana :banana :banana :banana
dionalaniz
08-11-2003, 12:01
If i'm sitting in a shelter and someone is shooting up an 8-ball right in front of me i'm gonna have a hard time lightening up. If I wanted to see urban sewer drug trash I'd go hang out at a bus station in Las Vegas.
If someone wants to smoke weed in his/her tent away from the shelter i've got no problem w/ that. But if you stay in a shelter you've got to accept the fact that everyone must get along. Me - i love to wistle, but i know it annoys the bejeesus out of people. So, I won't wistle in the shelters when other people are there. Similiarly, don't do your dope in the shelter when other people are around.
trailangelmary
08-11-2003, 12:15
Good point....to each their own but discretion is of utmost importance. The large majority of hikers I have met are not on the trail to party but to commune with nature and meet new people. Sure, when they come into towns some drinks, pool shooting, and music are enjoyed at the local pub if they are staying overnight. And I have met some who have made plans so they always have weed on the trail. But they keep that to themselves not offending anyone by boldly getting out the pipe just anywhere! I think that the hikers that partake in this type of "luxury" for themselves are very respectful of their fellow hikers. It does not take away from their hiker experience or the hiker experience of others.
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dionalaniz
08-11-2003, 12:36
So, if I decide to pull out a collection of hardcore gay porn in the shelter and proceed to lay it out on the table and look at it with everyone milling about, you'd be fine w/ that too meBrad? Just my way of relaxing, right?
If you choose to stay in a shelter with other people you have to yield on some of your personal eccentricities that do not fit the common denominator for "getting along".
If you haven't spent a lot of time out on the trail, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to talk in hypotheticals. The trail community is very unique - unlike just about anything else you'll ever encounter in Americana. There is a group dynamic that functions that is a big part of why people become so hooked on the AT. People look out for one another. It's a special, close knit community.
Group shame is a part of that dynamic. Yeah, sometimes you run across shameless folks. In my experiences on the AT, those people are few and far between.
Be aware, that responding violently to someone smoking some weed would probably be perceived by the trail community (which you will be a part of) in a very negative way. Self defense is another issue.
That's not to condone getting high in shelters. The old addage applies however. Two wrongs don't make a right. Talk to someone if they make you feel uncomfortable, but walk away before you get in a fight. That won't solve anything, and it could get you hurt or even killed.
I also find it interesting that some folks who would get wasted on shine or some other form of alcohol would rip into someone for smoking a joint. Both are drugs, and both are illegal on the trail. I have yet to meet anyone who smokes a joint and goes home to beat their spouse.
Given a (regrettable) choice between spending a night in a shelter with a bunch of drunks, or a bunch of stoners... Its a no-brainer. Far too many drunks are obnoxious jerks. I should know. I was one of them until I stopped drinking nearly 20 years ago at age 23.
Its a big woods out there. If you already know you're prone to violent reactions when faced with folks who smoke pot or do other drugs, I suggest you plan on tenting. It'll make your experience all the more enjoyable.
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steve hiker
08-11-2003, 13:52
Russett, no doubt you now recognize the sad truth, that many Americans have absolutely no sense of humor. A good third of Americans wouldn’t recognize a joke if it smacked them upside the ass. And if they did, they’d chase it down and stomp it to death -- like they’re doing here.
Humor is not very welcome in American society. As one literary dude said a couple of decades ago (forget who), Americans lack humor because we lack a sense of irony. Whatever. Maybe it goes back to the Pilgrims, who viewed laughter and levity as the work of the Devil. More recently, comedians have been driven to near extinction because jokes based on sex, race, religion, and national origin are now off-limits. The old political correctness tyranny.
Even more recently, the events of “911” have made already rigid Americans downright paranoid. Now, if you cross the threshold of politically accepted speech, you’re attacked with a zeal unknown even in our uptight past. Expect a knock on your door from the new Secret Police, invoking the Patriot Act. Lucky you live in Britain, Russet.
Damn, all this discourse is making me weary. Someone pass me a joint.
dionalaniz
08-11-2003, 13:57
The suggestion of pulling hardcore gay porn was clearly a hypothetical to illustrate a point - obviously I do not intend to do so (my wife probably wouldn't like that!). But it clearly struck a nerve w/ you meBrad. Probably the same nerve it would strike another father if someone started smoking up some pot in the shelter with his own son/daughter present.
My whole point is that when trying to live in a communal environment with a bunch of semi-strangers (a shelter) one has to be willing to compromise on personal wants and desires that may be in conflict with the sensabilities of others one is trying to live with. Illegal drug use, heavy drinking, foul cursing, porn, obnoxious whistling - these are all clearly divisive issues that have a high percentage chance of causing problems with other people you may not know well. As such, any considerate person should avoid using or engaging in such activities when sharing a communal environment with semi-strangers one doesn't know well.
If you absolutely know everyone at a shelter and know they're all into gay porn - fine, bust it out. If you absolutely know everyone is cool w/ you speedlining some heroin with a little pot chaser, then go for it. But if there's any doubt or you don't know someone at the shelter too well I think one should avoid engaging in any such potentially divisive activities.
And if someone is so socially inept as to not discern that he/she is disturbing people in the shelter I don't think there's anything wrong with politely asking him/her to cease in the behaviour. And if this polite request is rebuffed, I see nothing wrong with politely asking the gentleman outside for a bout of fisticuffs to settle the matter.
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trailangelmary
08-11-2003, 14:12
Well, Russett Apple!! A simple question has resulted in a lot of discussion!! Are you still out there? Reading all of this??
By the way, in answer to your question a while back! Mary Babe has a boyfriend of 10 years. He wouldn't like to share but we'll pass you a joint !!
There are many unattached women in the Duncannon area that may be "loose" enough to maybe fulfill one of your other requests!! I know that if I was unattached an English accent attracts me. A Thursday or Friday at the Riviera Tavern may be fun for you.
Hope you have a safe trail and a fun one despite any uptight dudes you meet.
smokymtnsteve
08-11-2003, 14:52
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Dionalaniz, in retrospect I should have said light up, not lighten up. You make a valid argument that we all should show a little common courtesy when using shelters, but violence shouldn't be an option in a situation like that. Simply pick up and move. Problem solved. Many a time I would move on to next shelter or tent for various reasons ( Too crowded, buggy, trashy or uncomfortable with sheltermates). You will definitely run into alot of pot smokers on the trail. Most will either take a walk and fire up or politely ask if you mind. If you do then they will do it outside the shelter. No problem. If the pot poll on this site is accurate ( and I think its low ) 25% of the people on this site get high. That means if you are staying in a shelter with 4 other people, one of them is Las Vegas Bus Station Trash or LVBST. As for the guy shooting up the 8-ball, don't worry, he'll be dead before he gets the needle out of his arm and you can help yourself to his food. Once you hit the trail you'll find out that its all good. As to the gay porn, thats *****ed up on so many levels I can't even respond. We should thank the Limey for the most entertaining forum since Uncle Johnny. Prozac:banana :banana :banana
dionalaniz
08-11-2003, 15:58
I smoked pot and did mushrooms as a kid. I still do both occassionally (maybe once or twice a year). So, i've got nothing against the pure fact of someone lighting up. What bothers me is people not being considerate of others and forcing their drug use on others.
meBrad - with respect to your proselytizing distinction I do understand what you're saying but it doesn't hold up. If someone is smoking pot in a shelter he/she *is* forcing it on you with the smell, the smoke, and the general "in your face - look at me i'm breaking the law" action. One simply can't smoke pot in private in a shelter.
Suppose I come into a shelter and I'm a radical Christian, or a radical Muslim, or a Hare Chrishna, or a Pagan, whatever. And I don't actually proselytize to you and try to convert you to my religion, but instead, I read loudly from my holy book, do some holy dancing and chanting, and generally make it absolutely impossible for you to not notice me.
Strictly speaking, i'm not proselytizing, but am I being a very considerate person?
I never have and never will force anyone to fight me that doesn't want to. But if someone were in a shelter making such an arse of himself I would certainly invite him to a bout of fisticuffs. If he accepted - great, there would be fisticuffs and we'd settle the matter. If he declined then I would leave, probably taunting him as a coward as I left.
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LOL! You hotdogs need to settle this at the gas station. Or the truck stop ... in the bathroom ... with the gay porn.
dionalaniz
08-11-2003, 16:16
That's cool meBrad. I'm used to having people disagree w/ me. Like you, I do what I do boldly and without apology which often causes heated disagreement. But I like it when people disagree w/ me. There's nothing worse than a sycophant.
I hope to see you on the trail when I pass by NH meBrad. I think it would be fun to meet you. Heck, maybe i'd even light up if there was no one else around who might be offended. :-)
trailangelmary
08-11-2003, 16:16
TO MeBrad, I like your philosophy.
"Whatever you do, do it boldly without apology"
I wish I could be that way more often.
Russet Apple
08-11-2003, 16:32
well, this is certainly an interesting response and has indeed whetted my desire to be regarded as a 2,000 miler. I have just returned from a weekend away in the south of England where I managed a few medium walks (ranging from 2 - 5 miles) and yesterday was gruelling as it was officially the hottest temperature recorded in England since records began (shade temp of 102F) and it got me thinking:
Although I will arrive in the US March/April to begin my thru-hike and will up my miles and increase my pack weight in the build up to this time, is there a way where you can say you've hiked it, pay for someone to sign your name in the shelter logbooks, miss out a thousand miles or so, and arrive atop Katahdin 6 months later with all the authenticity of someone who has really done it?
That way, you still walk a good chunk of it and understand what it's all about, you can touch base with nature, you can spend more time in the towns close to the trail and sample their delights and get the added benefit of having a pair of knees that won't have one in a wheelchair in later life?
Thanks once again for you invaluable, thought provoking and honest views.
Keep the AT
DRUG FREE!*
*unless in your own tent... or that of somebody who has invited you into her tent
Rock & Roll
smokymtnsteve
08-11-2003, 16:41
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dionalaniz
08-11-2003, 16:42
I think you're irrelevant Russet Apple. The debate on this thread has morphed into a general one about the etiquitte of drug use in shelters.
It's quite clear that your posts are phony but there still seems to be interest - not in your clearly faked identity, but in the general debate itself.
smokymtnsteve
08-11-2003, 16:43
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Russet Apple
08-11-2003, 16:45
what a rude person!
Now I'm beginning to understand the tips offs I've received.
Life really is too short thinks The Apple.
trailangelmary
08-11-2003, 16:54
To Dionalaniz, I was just reading some profiles and web pages. Am I correct that you are preparing for a future hike. How can what Russett says be irrelvant...he started this thread. And I think you need to open up and accept the English humor. I also hope that the two of you meet up on your hike and get on famously. Unless you just like to hear yourself talk, Russet Apple deserves a chance and a welcome. I most assuredly will do what I can to make both of you welcome when you get to Duncannon.
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Originally posted by Russet Apple
I have just returned from a weekend away in the south of England where I managed a few medium walks (ranging from 2 - 5 miles)...
Hey Apple, are you that naked hiking dude who is walking all over England? Now THAT'S funny!
dionalaniz
08-11-2003, 18:40
Wow. This truly is hilarious. On the first page of this thread many people "outed" Russet Apple as a fake persona engaged in the apparently discouraged activity of "trolling" where one deliberately takes on a persona that is not one's own and makes inflamatory remarks for no other purpose than to cause conflict rather than engage in genuine discussion.
Now, on the third page of this post when I actually chastise Russett Apple for this trolling activity which was roundly agreed to as improper on the first page, those same people who called him a troll are now lambasting me for taking him to task.
It's enough to make someone go cookoo.
ms. trailangelmarry - yes, i am indeed planning an upcoming thru-hike. I leave Nov. 7 for Flagg Mountain Alabama and will be hiking from there to Forillon park in Quebec. My goal is to link up the Pinhoti, Duncan Mackaye, AT, and IAT trails. I'm just about burned out on writing software for 7 years and my wife is looking forward to being in 100% control of the thermostat while i'm gone for 8 months or so. :-)
Originally posted by dionalaniz
My goal is to link up the Pinhoti, Duncan Mackaye, AT, and IAT trails.
I applaud you on your goals. FYI, the Duncan Ridge Trail connects the Benton MacKaye Trail to the AT at Slaughter Gap near Blood Mountain. If you reach the Benton MacKaye Trail from the GA Pinhoti Trail, and skirt off onto the Duncan Ridge Trail, you will have missed the first 30 miles of the AT including Springer Mountain.
You should really enjoy the AL Pinhoti & Benton Mackaye Trails. I have hiked the BMT, and plan to thru-hike the AL Pinhoti Trail this winter. My buddy Youngblood (a member on this forum) has hiked the AL Pinhoti, and loved it. Right Youngblood?
dionalaniz
08-11-2003, 19:01
I've got the 4 section maps for the Pinhoti trail. And i'm still trying to get my hands on some Duncan Mackaye maps (no success yet) but my main concern is not related to these two trails but the sort of link-up aspects you mentioned. Getting from Flagg to the Pinhoti, getting from the Pinhoti to the start of the Duncan Mcaye, and getting off the Duncan Mckaye and onto the AT.
I am appropriately nervous about the lack of documentation and good guides for all of this part of the trail, but that's also part of the allure - the great unknown.
Of course, the hardest part is to continue working and keep writing software for 3 more months. I think i need to get off this forum now and go write some code. :-)
If you're looking for Benton MacKaye trail maps, you can find them at the following link;
http://www.bmta.org
To find out information on the AL Pinhoti Trail, check out the following link;
http://www.alabamatrailsasso.org/
The US Forest Service in the Chattahoochee National Forest would be your best bet on information on the GA Pinhoti Trail (links AL Pinhoti & Benton MacKaye Trail).
http://www.fs.fed.us/conf/
Good luck!
dionalaniz
08-11-2003, 19:53
Thanks a bunch for the info TNJED!!! Actually, I was going to post a general question about these topics here shortly but I'll check out your links and see if they answer all my questions. Again, muchas gracias!!!
Russet Apple
08-12-2003, 01:28
hey, good luck dionalaniz on your hike. We may have got off on the wrong foot but I hope you enjoy your hike, all the same. If we happen to meet up on the trail I'll happily buy you a beer and share a joke and it goes without saying that my drug taking and groove spunking shall remain discreet as I'd expect you to behave with your foibles - gay porn just isn't my bag.
Anyway, each to their own and best of luck!
To those of you who attribute Apple's thread to English humor, and therefore fancy yourselves as more cultured or sophisticated than the rest of us little old Americans, go **** yourself. This has nothing to do with English anything. Apple is clearly just a lad with a bit of hell in him which no one on this godforsaken forum seems to understand, save for a few.
Personally, I think if some group of people got together to provide cheap mind altering drugs, whores, booze, any vice to thruhikers, it would be a good thing. Keeps the troublemakers out, and everyone safe.
Lets face it, you're not really escaping civilization on the hike. You're just getting a little further away from it. No sense in giving up the good parts of the modern world, like speed and bourbon.
Lone Wolf
08-12-2003, 09:54
And you're full of s**t too little girl.
you can fill me full of ****... for a price.
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Lone Wolf
08-12-2003, 10:14
A nasty little sl*t indeed!
:-? Has the 4 Pines incident taught us nothing?
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dionalaniz
08-12-2003, 12:52
They are related as follows:
Based on the posts about the 4-Pines incident (one must either assume them true or false and my hunch tells me they're true) Fubar sounds very much like this Russet Apple fellow. A rowdy guy out for a swell rowdy time replete with booze, hookers, and speed. From the description, part of the problem w/ the 4-Pines incident occurred in the days leading up to it.
As Fubar engaged in ever escalating rowdy behaviour no one in his "entourage" set him straight and told him he was getting out of hand and such behaviour was inexcusable. As such, Fubar felt daily emboldened and felt daily a growing entitlement with respect to engaging in ever more outrageous behaviour which finally culminated in the 4-Pines incident.
It's kinda like how many on this thread are excusing Russet Apple and his desire to jump into heavy boozing, speed, and whoring and general obnoxious rowdiness. People excusing said intentions as just "harmless English humour" are just like the people in Fubar's entourage who enabled his outlandish, and ultimately illegal, behaviour.
That's how it's related to the current thread.
asmtroop3
08-12-2003, 14:13
Originally posted by dionalaniz
Probably the same nerve it would strike another father if someone started smoking up some pot in the shelter with his own son present.
And if someone is so socially inept as to not discern that he/she is disturbing people in the shelter I don't think there's anything wrong with politely asking him/her to cease in the behaviour. And if this polite request is rebuffed, I see nothing wrong with politely asking the gentleman outside for a bout of fisticuffs to settle the matter.
My point is the same. My son has no need of seeing stuff we are in the woods to avoid.
And as to the second part of the quote, ever see a bear protect their young?????GRrrrr.:D
smokymtnsteve
08-12-2003, 14:37
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smokymtnsteve
08-12-2003, 14:41
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MeBrad, just curious as to the reason behind your most recent post. Granted, this forum may not have been very informative or educational but it sure was entertaining. Even PBS would follow up Masterpiece Theater with Monty Python. Some of the posts may have pushed the bounderies or been better off as Private Messages but nothing is more ugly than censorship. I thought we had hashed out this issue when the Former Admin was on his tear. Prozac
Russet Apple
08-12-2003, 15:07
Until this thread, I had never heard of the 4 pines incident and if it's true, I can assure you I am appalled by the antics of this Fubar character and his gang as much as any other decent person would be.
Dionalaniz's perception that I am similar to this Fubar based on the fact that I like to enjoy myself and indulge in a bit of humping is both laughable and as far from the truth as one could imagine. It is comparable to me imagining him to be a perverted haemorrhoid hitman whose face would crack at the slightest hint of a joke just from his mutterings on here; not a good idea.
The ironic thing is, I probably wouldn't even be noticed at a shelter (apart from the orgasmic echoes ringing through the valleys of the lucky girl I'd pulled at the given time) and would have other hikers' needs and considerations respected at all times.
Peace
asmtroop3
08-12-2003, 15:09
Originally posted by smokymtnsteve
to think that you can "protect" kids is from the world is ludicrous...
if real solitude is what you're looking for perhaps the AT is not the place for you to be..esp. during the heavily traveled "thru-hiker" season....maybe you should try hiking in the fall and winter season ( down south here) you can go for days and not see another person that time of year....
or maybe you could not stay at shelters...like Bill Bryson said in his book that the AT is not crowded just the shelters.... Illegal is illegal. Dope cannot be condoned in any manor where it might come in contact with law abiding citizens. I do not wear blinders when it come to society and raising my kids.
But I should not have to and will not tolerate breaking the law in my sons presences.
And it is ludicrous (to use your own words) to think you can protect the woods for your own enjoyment without concidering everyones feelings. Like my last post read, Don't Corner a Bear.
That anyone would condone trail violence as the answer to people smoking pot is ludicrous to say the least. No one is waiting in the shelters to make your children into addicts. In the 15 yrs I've been hiking I have never seen any drug harder than pot or Jim Beam so lets just forget about crack and speed as far as this post is concerned. As for equating legal liquor with Illegal marijuana, in my opinion its a no brainer. I feel much safer with people who have gotten high then with a drunk any day. As for anybody who would light up in front of strangers without inquiring if it was acceptable is an ass, but doesn't deserve to be assaulted. To smoke in front of children under any circumstances is even more insane, but still doesn't warrant physical violence. What kind of message does that teach the children. We all need to lighten up a little here people. P.S. Asmtroop3, be careful in NJ, their bringing back bear season. Prozac
smokymtnsteve
08-12-2003, 15:39
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dionalaniz
08-12-2003, 16:21
If i ask a doper nicely to stop doping right in front of me in a public shelter and he doesn't, at which point I politely ask him to step outside and settle the matter the old-fashioned way, and he accepts and we both willingly engage in a mutually agreed to fight, has either of us broken the law?
Those are the only circumstances under which I would willingly engage in a fight. It's just plain wrong, not to mention illegal, to fight someone who does not want to fight.
B Thrash
08-12-2003, 16:39
Originally posted by dionalaniz
If i ask a doper nicely to stop doping right in front of me in a public shelter and he doesn't, at which point I politely ask him to step outside and settle the matter the old-fashioned way, and he accepts and we both willingly engage in a mutually agreed to fight, has either of us broken the law?
Those are the only circumstances under which I would willingly engage in a fight. It's just plain wrong, not to mention illegal, to fight someone who does not want to fight.
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If you swing and miss he can charge you with assult, If you swing and connect he can charge you with assult and battery.
Rigormortis
smokymtnsteve
08-12-2003, 16:39
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Russet Apple
08-12-2003, 16:41
Blimey good people, I think we all actually agree on this, we're just coming from different angles to reach the same point.
Whilst I'm on, I'm attempting my first overnighter this weekend. I am hiking a local path (see links) over 4 or 5 days and camping overnight.
http://www.cheshire.gov.uk/countryside/walking/sandstone_trail.html
http://www.losgreen.freeserve.co.uk/strail1.htm
I've spent an hour or two this evening preparing my pack for the hike and have found when I put it on, it is too heavy. It is currently weighing in at 137 pounds. I'm finding it difficult walking too far up inclines and was wondering whether I needed to:
i) aim for a lighter pack
ii) quit moaning and get used to the weight
iii) book into local bed & breakfast establishments on this, the first major hike of my training regime
Dionalaniz my good friend, you will be pleased to learn that I'm undertaking this expedition DRUG FREE! - although I can't promise to knock back any juicy bomb doors if it's offered to me on a plate.
Rock & roll
You're on. Be at the gas station at 4:00 P.M. tomorrow.
asmtroop3
08-12-2003, 19:00
I never offered any fight. I stated plain. I will not tolerate breaking of the law in front of my child.
The threats have come from those who have no argument of anykind. In defense of the undefendable. Illegal is still illegal.
Legalization of recreational use of pot will never happen.
That topic in any place or discussion is realistically dead.
"in any place"??? Talk to the folks in canada......
Lone Wolf
08-12-2003, 19:41
I can kick all your asses! One at a time please.
Hammock Hanger
08-12-2003, 19:48
I've been gone for months. Finally home and thought I would stop in at the ole' Whiteblaze. My very first post to read was this crap. -- I've passed this site onto a number of folks getting ready to thru-hike. Wish I hadn't.
I doubt I'll be hanging around much in the future.
To all those serious hikers out there,hope your hikes go well.
C-ya.:(
Hammock Hanger
Lone Wolf
08-12-2003, 20:10
You can always go to Wingfoot's site where only serious discussions and anal people hang out. No humor allowed. Oh! His website is down?
B Thrash
08-12-2003, 20:29
Originally posted by L. Wolf
You can always go to Wingfoot's site where only serious discussions and anal people hang out. No humor allowed. Oh! His website is down?
L Wolf, Wnigfoot's Site has been down all year, he must be on his 7th thru-hike.
Rigormortis
Lone Wolf
08-12-2003, 20:32
Let me call him on his cell. I'll get back to you.
Hammock Hanger, sorry to see you feel that way. You were one of the original members of this board and you will be missed. Looked forward to your posts and enjoyed reading your journals. Must say I take some exception to your comment about serious hikers tho. This thread, while not the usual fair, was at times interesting, humorous and sometimes stupid. I understand that it was not everyones cup of tea but it was trail related. Members have the option of just ignoring it if they wish but it seemed to be popular as it had 89 posts in a few days and was viewed 1873 times. This thread was and is a miniscule part of WhiteBlaze and to imply that this site has nothing to offer to a new member is incorrect. This site has 1284 members now and for better or worse at times it will be controversial and provocative. Hope you reconsider and good hiking. Prozac
smokymtnsteve
08-12-2003, 21:49
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smokymtnsteve
08-12-2003, 21:57
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Blue Jay
08-14-2003, 07:25
This thread reminded me of a word I heard years ago, so I looked it up. It's "sanctimonious" which means making a pretence of piety (****, now I have to look up piety). If someone is doing something you find offensive, on the trail, in the money world, or even in cyberspace. Walk away, it's quick, easy and completely effective. I'll shut up now or you'll think meBiff has stopped lurking.
B Thrash
08-14-2003, 19:47
Originally posted by L. Wolf
You can always go to Wingfoot's site where only serious discussions and anal people hang out. No humor allowed. Oh! His website is down?
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Wingfoot has his new website up and running. Looks like he has done a great job on reconstruction of the site.
squirrel bait
08-15-2003, 11:16
Hey Russet Apple you can hire me. I'll sign your name in the trail logs, keep a journal, think up some cute ancedotes, pictures and the such. Save old clothes so you can show them later and fulfill the real experience for ya. I'll even lose weight. Contact me thru here and I'll tell ya where to send the check. Make payable to ATC. Ya all quit the fight talk, come down or sober up, have some fun which it seems everyone wants to do. Might does not make right and I'll spark ya in the nose if you don't agree. (read post on bear mauls hiker, funny story). Good luck on all your hikes.
I have one thing to say regarding this post:
:bananaFLUFFY BUDS!:banana
steve hiker
08-23-2004, 04:53
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From smokymtnsteve's last few posts in this thread, he's had some strong stuff. :)
smokymtnsteve
08-23-2004, 09:23
actually ugh..those are "deleted" post... from an "argument" that I decided was better not to have had on WB...
trail names like all backpacking gear should have multi-use/purpose,
and you always thought it had something to do with the a national park :D
SavageLlama
08-23-2004, 18:29
Interesting and thought-provoking thread.. even if it was started by a troll.
It's just too bad so many posts have been deleted.
orangebug
08-24-2004, 08:14
Interesting and thought-provoking thread.. even if it was started by a troll...
I'm still wondering which shelters have the display cases and take plastic for drugs. Are those the same ones with cell phone rechargers and pizza delivery?
Bill...