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refreeman
05-10-2007, 07:14
PERMETHRIN :confused:

The insecticide permethrin (in the synthetic pyrethroid family) is widely used on cotton, wheat, corn, alfalfa, and other crops. In addition, over 100 million applications are made annually in and around U.S. homes.
Permethrin, like all synthetic pyrethroids, is a neurotoxin. Symptoms include tremors, incoordination, elevated body temperature, increased aggressive behavior, and disruption of learning. Laboratory tests suggest that permethrin is more acutely toxic to children than to adults.
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has classified permethrin as a carcinogen because it causes lung tumors in female mice and liver tumors in mice of both sexes. Permethrin inhibits the activity of the immune system in laboratory tests, and also binds to the receptors for a male sex hormone. It causes chromosome aberrations in human and hamster cells.
Permethrin is toxic to honey bees and other beneficial insects, fish, aquatic insects, crayfish, and shrimp. For many species, concentrations of less than one part per billion are lethal. Permethrin causes deformities and other developmental problems in tadpoles, and reduces the number of oxygen-carrying cells in the blood of birds.
Permethrin has been found in streams and rivers throughout the United States. It is also routinely found on produce, particularly spinach, tomatoes, celery, lettuce, and peaches.
A wide variety of insects have developed resistance to permethrin. High levels of resistance have been documented in cockroaches, head lice, and tobacco budworm.
BY CAROLINE COX
Caroline Cox is JPR’s editor.

Permethrin is used to kill pest in-sects in agriculture, home pest control, forestry, and in public health programs, including head lice control. It was first marketed in 1973. Worldwide, the dominant use of permethrin is on cotton, accounting for about 60 percent (by weight) of the permethrin used.1 In the U.S., al-most 70 percent of the permethrin used in agriculture is used on corn, wheat, and alfalfa.2 Over 100 million applications of permethrin are made each year in U.S. homes, and over 18 million applications are made in yards and gardens.3
Permethrin is a synthetic pyrethroid. Like most members of this family of insecticides, it has four isomers, molecules made up of the same atoms with different three-dimensional structures. (See (http://www.safe2use.com/poisons-pesticides/pesticides/permethrin/cox-report/fig-1.htm)Figure 1)
Mode of Action
Permethrin, like all synthetic pyrethroids, kills insects by strongly exciting their nervous systems. Permethrin makes the nervous system hypersensitive to stimuli from sense organs. Rather than sending a single impulse in response to a stimulus, permethrin-exposed nerves send a train of impulses. This excitation occurs because permethrin blocks the movement of sodium ions from outside to inside of the nerve cells. Permethrin’s mode of action is similar to that of the organochlorine insecticide DDT.5
Acute Lethal Dose
Permethrin’s LD50 (the amount of permethrin that kills 50 percent of a population of test animals) is variable. In a summary of nine oral LD50 tests using rats, the LD50 varied from 430 milligrams per kilogram of body weight (mg/kg) to over 4,000 mg/kg. Some of this variability occurs because the proportions of isomers in the test materials vary. The cis isomers are about ten times more toxic than the transisomers.6
Neurotoxicity
In mammals, permethrin has complex effects on the nervous system. As in insects, it causes repetitive nerve impulses. It also inhibits a variety of nervous system enzymes: ATPase, whose inhibition results in increased release of the neurotransmitter acetylcholine 7; monoamine oxidase-A, the enzyme which maintains normal levels of three other neurotransmitters 8; and acetylcholinesterase, the enzyme that breaks down acetylcholine.9 (Two large families of insecticides, the organophosphates and the carbamates, are acetylcholinesterase inhibitors.) In addition, permethrin inhibits a nervous system receptor, the GABAA receptor, producing excitability and convulsions.10 Finally, permethrin inhibits respiration (the process by which cells use sugars as an energy source) in a manner similar to other neurotoxic drugs.11 It is therefore not surprising that permethrin causes a wide variety of neurotoxic symptoms.
At relatively high doses, these neuro-toxic symptoms of permethrin include tremors, incoordination, hyperactivity, paralysis, and an increase in body temperature. These symptoms can persist up to three days.12 Other behavioral effects have been observed at lower doses. For example, sublethal exposure of mice to the permethrin-containing insecticide Ambush increased activities like chewing 13 ; sublethal exposure of rats to permethrin increased aggressive behavior, agitation, and resistance to being captured 14 ; and permethrin disrupted a learned feeding behavior in rats at doses of about 20 percent of the LD50. 15
Eye and Skin Irritation
Permethrin-containing products can be irritating to both eyes and skin. For example, the agricultural insecticide Pounce 3.2 EC “causes moderate eye irritation.”16 Ortho Total Flea Control 2 and Solaris Flea-B-Gon Total Flea Killer Indoor Fogger both cause “tearing, swelling, and blurred vision.”17,18 They also cause “redness, swelling, and possibly blistering” of the skin.17,18 Adams 14 Day Flea Dip “causes eye injury”19 and “may cause al-allergic reactions”19 on skin.
Effects on the Immune System
Experiments with laboratory animals indicate that the immune system (used by living things to defend themselves from disease) “appears to be a sensitive target for permethrin activity.” Ingestion of permethrin reduces the ability of immune system cells called T-lymphocytes to recognize and respond to foreign proteins. Doses equivalent to 1/100 of the LD50 , inhibited T-lymphocytes over 40 percent. Permethrin ingestion also reduced the activity of a second type of immune system cell, natural killer cells, by about 40 percent.20(See Figure 2 (http://www.safe2use.com/poisons-pesticides/pesticides/permethrin/cox-report/fig-2.htm).) In tests using mouse cell cultures, permethrin had similar effects on the immune system, inhibition of two kinds of lymphocytes.21 Researchers concluded that “the immune system is exquisitely sensitive … at exposure levels that cause no overt toxicity.”20
Effects on Reproduction
Permethrin affects both male and female reproductive systems. It binds to receptors for androgen, a male sex hormone, in skin cells from human males, causing researchers to “advise protection from any form of contact or ingestion of the pyrethroids.” 22 Permethrin also binds to a different receptor, called the peripheral benzodiazepine receptor, that stimulates production of the male sex hormone testosterone.23 In addition, permethrin caused reduced testes weights in a long-term feeding study of mice.24 In females, permethrin exposure has caused embryo loss in pregnant rabbits24 and in pregnant rats.25
Mutagenicity
Permethrin was mutagenic (damaging to genetic material) in three tests with human cell cultures, one with hamster cells, and one with fruit fly larvae. In cultures of human lymphocytes (white blood cells), permethrin exposure caused an increase in chromosome aberrations, chromosome fragments,26 and DNA lesions.27 In hamster ovary cell cultures, permethrin exposure caused chromosome aberrations.28 Exposure to Ambush (a permethrin-containing insecticide) during larval development increased sex-linked lethal mutations in fruit flies.29
Carcinogenicity
According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), permethrin is a possible human carcinogen (chemical that causes cancer).30 EPA found that permethrin increased the frequency of lung tumors in female mice, and increased the frequency of liver tumors in male and female mice.24 The World Health Organization reports that permethrin increased the frequency of lung tumors in females in two out of the three mouse studies it reviewed. (See Figure 3 (http://www.safe2use.com/poisons-pesticides/pesticides/permethrin/cox-report/fig-3.htm).) Lung tumors increased with increasing permethrin exposure in the third study, but the increase was not statistically significant.31
There are no publicly available studies of the carcinogenicity of permethrin-containing insecticide products.
There are two molecular mechanisms which could explain permethrin’s carcinogenicity. First, permethrin reduces the activity of an enzyme involved in the breakdown of the amino acid tryptophan. This can lead to the buildup of carcinogenic tryptophan breakdown products.32 Second, permethrin inhibits what is called “gap junctional intercellular communication” (GJIC), chemical communication between cells. GJIC plays an important role in the growth of cells, and some cancer promoting chemicals inhibit GJIC.33
Other Chronic Effects
The liver is a sensitive target for permethrin effects. When EPA summarized 17 medium- and long-term laboratory studies that exposed rats, mice, and dogs to permethrin, effects on the liver were noted at the “lowest effect level” in all of them.24 Other chronic effects in laboratory tests include enlarged adrenal glands at all doses tested in a rabbit feeding study, and increased kidney weights at all doses tested in a rat feeding study.24
Synergy
Synergy occurs between two or more chemicals when their combined exposure causes more adverse effects than the sum of their individual effects. A possible cause of the health problems reported by 30,000 veterans who served in the Persian Gulf War is exposure to a combination of chemicals, including permethrin. The combination of permethrin, the anti-nerve gas drug pyridostigmine bromide, and the insect repellent DEET has been tested in laboratory animals. Neurotoxic symptoms, including decreased activity, diarrhea, shortness of breath, tremors, inability to walk, and damage to nerves, were observed in hens exposed to all three chemicals, but not in hens exposed to permethrin alone. Permethrin with just pyridostigmine bromide or just DEET also caused tremors and inability to walk, but symptoms were not as severe.35
Other pesticides interact synergistically with permethrin with in other species. Permethrin and the herbicide atrazine synergistically induce growth of the soil fungus Pythium ultimum, 36 and permethrin and the insecticide amitraz are synergistically toxic to the bollworm.37
Individual Susceptibility
Individuals vary in their susceptibility to permethrin, as has been illustrated by the following research:

Based on tests with laboratory animals, it appears children may be more sensitive to permethrin than adults. Permethrin is almost 5 times more acutely toxic to 8-day-old rats than it is to adult rats.38(See Figure 4 (http://www.safe2use.com/poisons-pesticides/pesticides/permethrin/cox-report/fig-4.htm).)
Since sulfates are involved in one of the major pathways by which permethrin is broken down in humans, individuals with defects in sulfate-related enzymes may be unable to easily break down permethrin, leading to increased susceptibility to motor neuron disease.39,40
Individuals with genetic variants of the enzyme pseudocholinesterase that have reduced activity are at higher risk of adverse effects from exposure to certain chemicals, including the permethrin combination implicated in symptoms seen in Gulf War veterans.35“ It appears children may be more sensitive to permethrin than adults. Permethrin is almost 5 times more acutely toxic to 8-day-old rats than it is to adult rats.”




Effects on Nontarget Animals
Beneficial Arthropods: As a broad spectrum insecticide, it is not surprising that permethrin impacts beneficial arthropods, those that are useful in agriculture. Examples include the following:

Permethrin is acutely toxic to honey bees; the median lethal dose is 0.008 micrograms per bee.41 Sublethal exposures cause increased abnormal behavior (trembling, etc.), decreased foraging,42 and impairment of bees’ learning.43
The International Organization for Biological Control tested the acute toxicity of permethrin to 13 species of beneficial arthropods and found that permethrin caused 99 percent mortality of 12 of the species, and over 80 percent mortality of the other. Effects were persistent, lasting over 30 days.44 Sublethal doses also impact beneficial arthropods: permethrin inhibited the emergence of a parasitoid wasp from eggs of the rice moth Corcyra cephalonica 45 and disrupted the foraging pattern of another parasitoid wasp as it searched for its aphid prey.46 (Parasitoids are insects that lay their eggs in, on, or near their prey. The eggs hatch and the larvae consume the prey as they develop. They often keep populations of agricultural pests at low levels.)Aquatic Insects: Because it is a broad spectrum insecticide, permethrin has severe impacts on aquatic insects. Permethrin applications to forest streams caused “a major increase in the density of drifting invertebrates” described as “catastrophic.” (Drifting animals are those that are sufficiently poisoned by the insecticide that they are washed down-stream.) Most applications were also followed by “rapid depletion of bottom fauna,” insects that live in the stream bed. Recovery required between 1 and 18 months.47 Mayflies and damselflies are the most sensitive species.49 Permethrin also bioconcentrates in aquatic insects; bioconcentration factors in stoneflies ranged from 43 to 570. 49

Birds: While permethrin’s acute toxicity to birds is low,50 it causes other ad-verse effects. Three-week dietary exposure of chickens reduced hemoglobin (oxygen carrying protein) levels, and red blood cell counts, while increasing the number of white blood cells.51 The reduction in hemoglobin occurred at the lowest dose tested, 33 mg/kg.51 Permethrin also caused decreased immune responses in chicks,52 and damaged mallard ovaries.53
Fish: Permethrin is highly toxic to fish. This toxicity is due, in part, to the sensitivity of their nervous system.54 Fish also lack the enzymes that break down permethrin in other animals.55
The LC50 (the concentration that kills 50 percent of a population of test animals) is less than 1 part per million (ppm) for almost all fish species tested, and for some fish is less than 1 part per billion (ppb). Agricultural permethrin products called emulsifiable concentrates are about twice as toxic to fish as permethrin alone. Small fish are less tolerant of permethrin than large fish, and it is more toxic in cold water than in warm water.56 Fish also have a particular developmental stage when they are most susceptible.57
Sublethal effects on fish include abnormal swimming, a reduced startle response, and loss of equilibrium.58
Permethrin bioconcentrates in fish, so that concentrations in fish are higher than the concentration in the water in which the fish live. Bioconcentration factors (the ratio between the concentration in the fish and the concentration in the water) up to 113 have been measured in brook trout,59 up to 613 in Atlantic salmon,59 and up to 631 in rainbow trout.60
Complex effects of permethrin on fish have been documented by the Canadian Forest Service in field studies. They found that diets of trout and salmon were altered when permethrin killed the insects these fish use as food. In some cases, diets were altered for a year following treatment. Reductions in fish growth rates, and migration to untreated areas followed; recovery required four months. The researchers concluded that permethrin is “not an acceptable treatment for large-scale use in forest areas containing fish-producing
water.”61
Amphibians: Permethrin disrupts the growth and development of tadpoles. Exposure slowed growth for two to three weeks, and increased the frequency of a tail abnormality. (See Figure 5 (http://www.safe2use.com/poisons-pesticides/pesticides/permethrin/cox-report/fig-5.htm).) The increase in this deformity occurred at the lowest concentration of permethrin tested, 0.1 ppm. At this concentration tadpoles also responded to prodding in a jerky and disorganized way, making them vulnerable to predation. Tadpoles exposed to an even lower concentration (0.05 ppm) reduced their feeding for several weeks after exposure.62
Permethrin also effects brain function in tadpoles. Concentrations of 0.25 ppm decreased the amounts of two specific proteins in the brain, while increasing the total amount of protein. One of the proteins is associated with learning. Activity of several nervous system enzymes, including acetylcholinesterase, decreased.63
Other Aquatic Animals: Permethrin is very highly toxic to lobster; the LC50 is less than 1 ppb.64 It is highly toxic to oyster larvae, with an EC50 (the concentration causing abnormal development in half of the larvae) of less than 1 ppm.65 Permethrin bioconcentrates in oysters, with a bioconcentration factor of 1900. 66 Water fleas are also very sensitive to permethrin exposure; LC50s of several species are about 1 ppb.67 Permethrin also caused “severe mortalities” of two kinds of zooplankton, cladocerans and copepods with recovery taking about 3 months.68
Mysid shrimp are killed by permethrin at concentrations so low that they cannot be detected in water (the LC 50 is 0.02 ppb). This means that “any detection of these insecticides in estuarine waters would likely be associated with adverse effects.”66 Another animal that is very sensitive to permethrin is crayfish; LC50s for the red swamp crayfish vary from 0.4 to 1.2 ppb. Researchers concluded that “even the lowest operational treatment level used for insect management would seriously impact crayfish populations.”67
Residues on Food
The Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA’s) monitoring program routinely finds permethrin on food. In 1996, it was the 13th most commonly detected pesticide.68 Similar results were found in monitoring of 14 fruits and vegetables by the U.S. Department of Agriculture; permethrin was the 10th most frequently detected pesticide and was often found on spinach (60 percent of the samples tested) and tomatoes (11 percent of the samples tested).69 Permethrin was also frequently found on celery and lettuce.70
Permethrin has also been found in baby food: FDA’s 1996 monitoring found it in 12 percent of the samples tested. The Environmental Working Group found permethrin was the most commonly detected pesticide in peach baby food (44 percent of the samples tested) and was also found in plums (11 percent of the samples tested).71
Contamination of Water
Permethrin has been found in ground and surface water. The U.S. Geological Survey has found permethrin in streams and rivers in the Mississippi River Basin, 72 the Central Columbia Plateau (Washington and Idaho),73 the Georgia-Florida Coastal Plain,74 the San Joaquin-Tulare Basin (California),75 and the Ozark Plateau (Arkansas and nearby states).76 Permethrin has also been found in groundwater in Virginia.76
Drift
Drift, pesticide movement during application away from the target area, has been measured for two types of permethrin applications: aerial and back pack mistblower. Aerially applied permethrin drifted 180-240 meters (590- 790 feet) under conditions “highly conducive” to drift.78 These researchers sug-gested using buffers of 150 meters (490 feet). Back pack mistblower applications of permethrin drifted 150 meters.79
Persistence
According to EPA, permethrin’s half-life (the amount of time required for half of the original amount of a chemical to break down or move away from the study site) was 17 days in a North Carolina agricultural soil and 43 days in Illinois.80 When used as a termiticide, permethrin persists longer; soil concentrations did not decline during the first year.81 Permethrin also persists longer in tree needles, foliage, and bark, up to 363 days.82 The ability of permethrin to persist in the environment was graphically illustrated by a study of an application of permethrin ear tags to cattle. Permethrin was found on all surfaces analyzed, not only on the cattle, but also on the bark of trees in their pasture, on a fence pole, and in grass. Some residues were found three months after the ear tags were applied.83
Resistance
Resistance (the evolution of a strain of insect that is able to tolerate a particular insecticide) to permethrin has been documented in a wide variety of insects. These species include pear psylla,84fall army-worm, 85 German cockroach,86 spotted tentiform leafminer,87 diamondback moth,88 house fly,89 stable fly,90 head lice,91-93 and tobacco budworm.94 Many of these species are resistant to other synthetic pyrethroids as well as permethrin. The level of resistance is less than tenfold in some of the species but high levels of resistance have been observed in cockroaches (45-fold),86lice (up to 385-fold)91 and budworm (1400-fold).94
Inert Ingredients
Like most pesticide products, permethrin insecticides contain ingredients that are typically claimed as trade secrets by pesticide manufacturers. Limited information about “inerts” in permethrin products is available. Examples include:

Xylenes are in the agricultural insecticides Pounce 3.2 EC,16 Ambush 2E,95 and Ambush 50. 96 Xylenes cause eye and skin irritation, headaches, nausea, confusion, tremors, and anxiety in exposed humans. In laboratory tests, xylenes have caused kidney damage, fetal loss, and skeletal anomalies in offspring.97
Methyl paraben is in the head lice cream rinse Nix,98 regulated as a drug not as a pesticide. Methyl paraben is a skin sensitizer, and causes eye, skin, digestive, and respiratory irritation.99
Dimethyl ether is in the household insecticides Flea-B-Gon Total Flea Killer Indoor Fogger 17 and Ortho Total Flea Control 2. 18 It causes respiratory, skin, and eye irritation and depresses the cen-tral nervous system. It is also a severe fire hazard.100
Butane is in the household insecticides Raid Yard Guard Outdoor Fogger V and Off Yard and Deck Area Repellant 1. 101,102 It is “extremely flammable” and short-term exposure causes irritation, nausea, drowsiness, convulsions, and coma.http://www.safe2use.com/poisons-pesticides/pesticides/permethrin/cox-report/cox.htm

refreeman
05-10-2007, 07:26
Not content to simply wage high-tech war against biting insects, I had a visit from the nice clothing folks at Orvis. They brought a selection of “Invincible Socks” and other mosquito-repelling clothing, treated with “Buzz Off Insect Shield.” The active ingredient in “Buzz Off” clothing is permethrin, a synthesized form of the natural insect repellent found in the Chrysanthemums. Instead of needing to spray often hazardous chemical insect repellents, Buzz Off clothing features an odorless and “natural” way to repel annoying insects. :-?

I tried Orvis’s “Buzz Off” treated pants, shirts, socks and hat and found that the clothes did keep bugs away. After a short while, my darling children started wearing the clothes to sleep to protect themselves from the night bites they had received. Buzz Off clothing can be laundered normally in the wash, but the insect repelling permethrin does start to fade after about 25 washes. Nonetheless, I found that these Orvis duds actually do foil mosquitoes and made me look ‘mahvelous’ to boot. In addition to ‘skeeters, Buzz Off is advertised to combat ticks, chiggers, and other biting insects. Since none of those bit me, I guess the Orvis Insect Shield Clothing did all that too! Socks are 3 for $45; a safari shirt $79; poplin pants $98. (My wife tells me the floppy hat looks too ridiculous.)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/23/tech/digitaldan/main645125.shtml

The Solemates
05-10-2007, 09:37
Ive used premethrin before, but never in close proximity to my skin or breathing areas. I typically just use deet since its inexpensive, available, and effective. But premethrin sprayed on pants legs and backpacks works well if I need that extra dose if I am travelling in high bug infested areas.

refreeman
05-10-2007, 12:12
Pyrethrum (http://216.109.125.130/wiki/Pyrethrum) (Chrysanthemum [or Tanacetum (http://216.109.125.130/wiki/Tanacetum)] cinerariaefolium) is economically important as a natural source of insecticide (http://216.109.125.130/wiki/Insecticide). The flowers are pulverized and the active components called pyrethrins (http://216.109.125.130/wiki/Pyrethrin), contained in the seed cases, are extracted and sold in the form of an oleoresin (http://216.109.125.130/wiki/Oleoresin). This is applied as a suspension in water or oil, or as a powder. Pyrethrins attack the nervous systems of all insects (http://216.109.125.130/wiki/Insect), and inhibit female mosquitoes (http://216.109.125.130/wiki/Mosquito) from biting. When not present in amounts fatal to insects, they still appear to have an insect repellent (http://216.109.125.130/wiki/Insect_repellent) effect. They are harmful to fish (http://216.109.125.130/wiki/Fish), but are far less toxic to mammals (http://216.109.125.130/wiki/Mammal) and birds (http://216.109.125.130/wiki/Bird) than many synthetic insecticides and are non-persistent, being biodegradable (http://216.109.125.130/wiki/Biodegradation) and also breaking down (http://216.109.125.130/wiki/Chemical_decomposition) easily on exposure to light. They are considered to be amongst the safest insecticides for use around food (http://216.109.125.130/wiki/Food). (Pyrethroids (http://216.109.125.130/wiki/Pyrethroid) are synthetic insecticides based on natural pyrethrum, e.g., permethrin (http://216.109.125.130/wiki/Permethrin).) :-?

http://216.109.125.130/search/cache?p=Chrysanthemums+mosquitos&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-501&x=wrt&u=en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysanthemum&w=chrysanthemums+mosquitos&d=MnB9PPmdOvy8&icp=1&.intl=us

Toolshed
05-10-2007, 15:18
It always comes back to pest control huh? :D
Used Pyrethrin aerosols for over 20 years in commercial pest control for clean-outs and crack & crevice work. Great flushing product for roaches. Inhaled my share of it too. :sun No residual action, though. I now prefer cypermethrins (Cynoff, Demon, Tempo and a few other synths) for my personal use. I don't hesitate to use permethrin for tick control.

RedneckRye
05-10-2007, 15:48
I'm fairly sure I will die of something. I hope to die bug bite free. Sign me up for the chemical bath.

WalkinHome
05-10-2007, 16:34
In 2000 I treated my clothes with the "P" stuff and I'm OK, I'm OK, I'm OK, I'm OK, I'm OK, I'm OK, I'm OK.............................................

refreeman
05-25-2007, 16:34
The “Buzz Off” hiking clothes I wear is now 3 seasons old. I have washed it about 20 times. It still is keeping the bugs away. I'm thinking about spraying them with permethrin to recharge its bug repelling power. Not sure I want to wait for a tick to tell me the original permethrin from “Buzz Off” is weak and thet they are not afraid of me anymore. CHOMP!!

damush
05-25-2007, 17:22
has anyone considered natural remedies? I take a 7.5 mg tablet of brewer's yeast as soon as things start warming up here in eastern carolina, and mosquitos have never been a problem since. as for ticks, well, they're just annoying if you find them in a "sensitive spot"... i've been so covered in deer ticks that it looked like i had a really bad fight with a tattoo machine. i didn't get sick, soaked myself in a bathtub full of regular old black pekoe tea and just picked off the few that didn't wash down the drain, and i'm talking about hundreds of the little ****ers before the bath, and 27 (to be exact )that wanted to be tough. call me lucky or stupid, i don't care. if bugs bother you so much in the first place, why are you in their house? stay inside and ....i'm going to stop here, not trying to trash talk. just think that a lot of folks could benefit from just a little bit of research or experimentation.

icemanat95
05-25-2007, 17:43
Permethrin is only a potential hazard to humans when sprayed or applied directly to skin. Once it has dried on clothing, it is safe to wear. If users follow directions (which explicitly state that the product is not for use on skin), they should be fine. I need to get a buzz off hat. for hiking.

Slosteppin
05-25-2007, 20:17
I prefer to use permathrin rather than chance the problems possibly caused by ticks or mosquitoes.

I've been soaking all my hiking clothes in (about) a 1.2% permathrin solution for about 6 years. This includes hats, shirts, pants and socks. After soaking I wring them out and hang up on a line until completely dry.

Mosquitoes will land but not bite even with very thin pants or shirts. Blackflies don't even land on my clothes.

I still use a small amount of DEET on exposed skin.

Slosteppin

orangebug
05-26-2007, 20:06
Permethrin is only a potential hazard to humans when sprayed or applied directly to skin. Once it has dried on clothing, it is safe to wear. ...
It isn't a hazard applied to skin, just a waste of product. Sweat/Skin enzymes neutralize permethrin. You can apply it directly to your dog (no sweat) but it is useless for you.

The relative risks: No demonstrable illnesses as a result of decades of use of DEET and permethrin. Significant illnesses for those who contract tick borne pathogens. If you would rather be afraid of proven preventatives and use folk remedies, I am certain that a Darwin Award will be inscribed in your honor.