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Isaiah52:7
07-15-2007, 02:06
The next item for my gearlist is a stove (and pot,etc)

I see a lot of talk about the soda can stove. I can't really picture it in my head.

How do you fill with fuel?
How do you light?
How do you control flame?
How do you put out?

What size pot (also homemade?) is good for using with a can stove?


Looking for pictures/ descriptions? Just trying to get an idea in my head so I know what its truly like :)

Thanks!

jrwiesz
07-15-2007, 05:39
The next item for my gearlist is a stove (and pot,etc)

I see a lot of talk about the soda can stove. I can't really picture it in my head.

How do you fill with fuel?
How do you light?
How do you control flame?
How do you put out?

What size pot (also homemade?) is good for using with a can stove?


Looking for pictures/ descriptions? Just trying to get an idea in my head so I know what its truly like :)

Thanks!
Do a search in the homemade gear forum under stoves.

Grinder
07-15-2007, 07:06
http://zenstoves.net/LinkToZenStoves.htm

all you ever wanted to know.

I use a minibull side burner with a heineken 24 oz beercan pot.

alcohol stove and flame control are net terms normally used in the same sentence, If you use a pot stand and a top burner type stove, search and read about "simmer lids". These allow adjusting the flame somewhat.

Good luck . soda can stoves are an addiction. Check out "Zelph"'s posts on this forum to see how addicted you can get.

Miles of Smiles
Tom

jlb2012
07-15-2007, 14:24
The next item for my gearlist is a stove (and pot,etc)

I see a lot of talk about the soda can stove. I can't really picture it in my head.

How do you fill with fuel?
with a typical soda can stove you pour the fuel into the opening on top - you may or may not measure the amount of fuel or you may just fill to a mark you put in the burner but in general you do not fill the burner all the way up unless you do as I do and just use an empty tea light candle tin - then filling it all the way is just about right for 1.75 cups of water to boil in a heiny can


How do you light?
warm weather just use a lighter or a sparker (I use a Spark-Lite spark wheel device)
cold weather use a match or dip a twig in the fuel, light the fuel on the twig and then use the twig to light the burner
cold weather alternative - warm the fuel before using or warm the burner (lighter under burner for 15 seconds) before lighting


How do you control flame?
flame pattern is typically controlled by the design of the burner - that said there are burners with simmer rings/caps that can change the flame pattern but for the most part IMO the simmer adapters aren't worth the bother - alcohol stoves are mostly used for boil water type cooking and not for simmering anyways


How do you put out?
mostly you don't - you just let it burn out - this is why measuring the fuel is sometimes a good idea so that one uses just enough - that said there are some burners that have a cap that you can put on to snuff them out or for real simple burners like the tea light candle tin I use it is possible to blow the flame out by blowing straight down on the flame - I don't do this often but it is possible. For emergencies just pour water on the flame and it will go right out (nice thing about alcohol flames).


What size pot (also homemade?) is good for using with a can stove?
depends on the stove - a side burner works well with a wider bottom pot while a heiny pot works better with a more focused flame

pot selection depends also on your cooking style - freezer bag cooking only needs a small pot like the heiny pot to boil water only whereas if you are cooking your dinner in the pot you would want one that is a little larger to allow for stirring and the added bulk of the food



Looking for pictures/ descriptions? Just trying to get an idea in my head so I know what its truly like :)

Thanks!
wings or zenstoves are the two most common reference points but also take a close look are some of the designs talked about here on WB esp Skidsteer and Zelph

Fiddler
07-15-2007, 15:41
Alcohol Stove Links
http://zenstoves.net/
http://hikinghq.net/sgt_stove/ion_stove.html
http://www.ionstove.com/index.htm
http://wings.interfree.it/index.html
http://www.csun.edu/~mjurey/stove.html

Dirtygaiters
07-15-2007, 18:53
In addition to the numerous links already, here's an idiot-proof guide on how to make one: http://www.thru-hiker.com/workshop.asp?subcat=2&cid=8

The design of top with holes, bottom for fuel, and inner wall is very basic. From there, you can modify the design very easily and see what you like best.

I like a side burner/ open top style because it's easy to see how much fuel I have left and since the pot sits on top of the stove, you both don't need a potst and have a fail-safe pressurized stove, which tends to burn hotter, but not really any more efficiently than, the open top stoves.

Because alcohol stoves are so fun (and really cheap) to make, there are lots of people who sell them for a few bucks. Here are two links which I am not endorsing, but am just giving for an example.

An open top side burner stove like I perfer: http://shop.end2endtrailsupply.com/displayProductDocument.hg?productId=1&categoryId=2

An adjustable flame stove which I've used and like, but it doesn't boil water as fast as a pressurized stove: http://www.packafeather.com/stove.html

Again, it's easy (EASY) to make one of these yourself and it is tempting to just pay someone else for their design, but I'd encourage you to try making one yourself. If you drink canned beverages and own a box cutter, the cost of an alcohol stove is free.

Dirtygaiters
07-15-2007, 19:01
this is why measuring the fuel is sometimes a good idea so that one uses just enough


Just curious, what do you use to measure fuel?

Usually I just eyeball it, but a thought occurs that maybe a mini measuring device could be easy to fabricate. A bottlecap from a plastic soda bottle with known relative volume or a piece of clear plastic tube with a secure cap on one end, for example...hmmmm...

oops56
07-15-2007, 19:48
A 35mm film can holds 1 oz. plus a little. I just use half o get the clear better.

Skidsteer
07-15-2007, 19:54
Just curious, what do you use to measure fuel?

Usually I just eyeball it, but a thought occurs that maybe a mini measuring device could be easy to fabricate. A bottlecap from a plastic soda bottle with known relative volume or a piece of clear plastic tube with a secure cap on one end, for example...hmmmm...

HOI uses a small tea light (http://zenstoves.net/TeaLightStoves/TeaLightStoves.jpg) tin as a stove. They weigh about a gram. It holds about one-half fluid ounce, which is pretty much all you need, so all he has to do is fill it to the top. Simplicity itself and definitely part of the inspiration for the Turbo Tea-Lite (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/showthread.php?t=22524) and Turbo Tea-Lite II (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=17409&catid=favorites).

jlb2012
07-16-2007, 08:11
Just curious, what do you use to measure fuel?


back when I was using a Turbo V8 burner I used a small flat plastic bottle that was originally a 1 ounce sample of hand lotion - I peeled off the labels and scratched a couple marks into the plastic for cold and warm weather measurements - I still use this little bottle just because it is easier to pour the fuel from a flat bottle into the tea light candle tin without spilling than it is from the main storage bottle

Shade
07-17-2007, 14:03
I use an opaque 8 ounce bottle with a flip/squirt top cap. Mark the sides of the bottle at one ounce intervals.

They have them at REI and are comonly used for shampoo or hand sanitizers.

bullseye
07-23-2007, 18:03
[quote=Dirtygaiters;381228]

An open top side burner stove like I perfer: http://shop.end2endtrailsupply.com/displayProductDocument.hg?productId=1&categoryId=2

This link has changed to https:www.end2endtrailsuppl.com

bullseye
07-23-2007, 18:05
[quote=Dirtygaiters;381228]

An open top side burner stove like I perfer: http://shop.end2endtrailsupply.com/displayProductDocument.hg?productId=1&categoryId=2

This link has changed to https:www.end2endtrailsuppl.com (http://www.end2endtrailsuppl.com)

Actually it's https://www.end2endtrailsupply.com

zelph
07-23-2007, 18:21
http://zenstoves.net/LinkToZenStoves.htm

all you ever wanted to know.
Good luck . soda can stoves are an addiction. Check out "Zelph"'s posts on this forum to see how addicted you can get.

Miles of Smiles
Tom


:D :banana

dla
07-23-2007, 20:35
If you're asking for help with a soda-can stove, the best advice I can give would be to stomp it, recycle it and go buy a Trangia.
:)

oldfivetango
07-24-2007, 09:12
Or you could just use a simple side burner(aka potted meat can)
for quick boiling and a Brasslite Turbo 2D for extended simmering.
Mine simmers about 25 miutes or so-it will cook rice just fine.:D
Oldfivetango

oops56
07-24-2007, 09:38
Yep when the bug gets you . You need more then one.
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d52/oops62/th_alcohol5.jpg (http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d52/oops62/alcohol5.jpg)

Ender
07-24-2007, 09:39
I use the stove design from www.pcthiker.com, and this is what works for me...

How do you fill with fuel? - I just pour it in the top.
How do you light? - Light it from the top with a lighter. It's easy to do without burning yourself.
How do you control flame? - You don't. The flame is either on or off. You can control the heat a number of ways though... for me, if I need it to be hot I make sure the windscreen is tightly wrapped around, holding in the heat and keeping the flames direct. If I need a simmer, I remove the windscreen (or readjust it, depending on wind conditions). This usually works to create a simmer. Also, raising up the pot an inch or two more will help as well, but I find that method a little more annoying.
How do you put out? - You just let it burn out. After a few days of usage, you get to be able to judge about how much fuel you'll need, so wasted fuel isn't too much of a concern.
What size pot (also homemade?) is good for using with a can stove? - I use a 1 Liter pot. I wouldn't want to go any smaller. A wider base will be more efficient in capturing the heat from the stove generally.

quasarr
09-25-2007, 18:33
Hey guys, I was wondering about how to cook for two with an alchohol stove. I found a thread about it in the 'make your own' forum, but for some reason I can't post in there!

Anyway, me and my hiking partner made a cat can stove for our upcoming hike. I've used the pepsi can stove successfully in the past, but that was just for me. I used a Walmart grease pot that holds about 2 cups of water. For two, I don't think that will cook nearly enough food! Can anyone recommend a specific pot that would be big enough for both of us? Preferably light and inexpensive.

I also thought about sticking with the small pot and cooking two dinners every night. Taking all that extra time when you're really hungry wouldn't be fun though!!

thanks for any advice!!! :)

rafe
09-25-2007, 18:45
If you're cooking for two, an alky stove makes little sense. If it were me, I'd use an MSR Simmerlight with the small (11 oz.) fuel container. That combo is only 3 oz. heavier than a Pocket Rocket + large canister.

hiker5
09-25-2007, 18:49
I use an opaque 8 ounce bottle with a flip/squirt top cap. Mark the sides of the bottle at one ounce intervals.


If the bottle is opaque, how do the markings help you gauge how much fuel is left?

quasarr
09-25-2007, 19:15
terrapin, I don't want to go with an MSR because of high cost ($100+ vs free), and weight. My pot, stand, stove, and windscreen combined was only 3oz with the pepsi stove. I have met couples thru-hiking who used a pepsi can or other alchohol stove. Unfortunately I never got to ask them about their setup :)

rafe
09-25-2007, 19:48
terrapin, I don't want to go with an MSR because of high cost ($100+ vs free), and weight. My pot, stand, stove, and windscreen combined was only 3oz with the pepsi stove. I have met couples thru-hiking who used a pepsi can or other alchohol stove. Unfortunately I never got to ask them about their setup :)

IMO, the popularity of alky stoves stems from the ultralight thing, where pack base weight excludes all "replenishables." So yeah, you've got an ultralight stove (less than 1 oz probably) but you're carrying a lot more weight in fuel than a hiker who's cooking with propane/butane or white gas.

I would not carry a white gas stove for solo hiking. OTOH, if you're traveling as a pair, you only need one stove between you. Simmerlight + small fuel bottle is 11 oz. For a pair of hikers, that's only 5.5 oz apiece. And with that 11 oz. of fuel, you can probably cook lavish dinners for each of you for a week or more.

atraildreamer
09-25-2007, 23:32
Just curious, what do you use to measure fuel?


Use the measuring cup from a bottle of Pepto Bismol. In fact, if you are a lousy cook, take the Pepto along too! :p Just don't drink the fuel! :eek:

Seeker
09-26-2007, 11:35
If the bottle is opaque, how do the markings help you gauge how much fuel is left?

my guess is that that's not what they're for... maybe they're to help you measure how much you've used... if you start with 4oz, intended to pour 1/2 oz, and have 3.75 oz left, you need to add another 1/4 oz to the stove.

socalhiker
09-26-2007, 12:42
My son and I just completed a long distance hike using a homemade Pepsi can stove and the .9 Evernew pot. We didnít do much cooking other than to boil water for our freeze dried meals, my sonís oatmeal breakfast and our respective beverages. We experienced no problems using this set-up nor was it complicated by using it for two vs. a single hiker.

I have used many different stove types over the years and have carried the canister type Primus stove for the last ten to fifteen. My incentive to switch from canister to alcohol was a jump from $3.50 to $6.00 for a can of fuel. Although I can easily afford the fuel for my occasional backpack trip, I was just a little put-off by the arrogance of an arbitrary 100% increase in fuel price. Hence, the alcohol stove which has been fun to make and to use.
In another post all of the weight saving calculations were bandied about and although alcohol has a slight weight advantage, for me, at this time, it is just plain more enjoyable to use the alcohol stove that I made myself. Next year, possibly something different. In cold temps down around 0į, I have found my canister stove to be useless whereas the Pepsi can stove performed seemingly unaffected by the temp.