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Baum Trigger
07-29-2007, 19:31
Someone should have told Surviorman about Park Service permits. From the NPS Morning Report, 07/23/2007:
Kenai Fjords National Park (AK)
Commercial Filming Violation Involving Discovery Channel
On July 16th, park resource management specialist Mike Tetreau, currently an intermittent employee working with a private firm conducting follow-up studies related to the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill along the park coastline, found an apparent commercial filming production in Taroka Arm, a seldom-visited area along the park's southern coast. In addition to the campsite "set" itself, a nearby support crew camp was located near a sensitive archaeological site. Ranger Sean Brennan, currently on detail as a criminal investigator assignment with the NPS Investigative Services Branch, flew to the site by chartered float plane the following day with Tetreau and contacted Les Stroud, also known as the "Survivorman", who has a show by the same name currently running on the Discovery Channel. Stroud, with a crew of four at the nearby camp, was apparently filming an upcoming episode of the show in the park, with a driftwood shelter constructed on the beach and multiple cameras surrounding it. Stroud was cited for commercial filming without a permit, and given the opportunity to obtain a permit. Stroud paid the required application, location and monitoring fees, totaling approximately $2,800, which will allow the park to recover most of the cost of the investigation. [Submitted by Jim Ireland, Chief of Interpretation & Visitor Services/Chief Ranger]
http://home.nps.gov/applications/morningreport/morningreportold.cfm
..and I thought Survivor Man went out alone..maybe he's no better than Bear Grylls...
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Baum Trigger
07-29-2007, 19:35
Sorry, the link doesn't seem to be working now...
Baum Trigger
07-29-2007, 19:38
http://home.nps.gov/applications/digest/headline.cfm?type=Incidents&id=3362
Fromt the show's website....
Q. Do you really run all the equipment yourself ? Isn't there a crew with you?
Les: I have a crew come in with me for the first introduction day only - then they leave me alone to do my thing for the week. That's the way it has to be or I don't have a show. So I run all the cameras myself - set ups and tear downs...build my shelters and try to catch game...start my fires...all completely alone. Sometimes the crew knows where I am...sometimes they don't...and sometimes there has been no back up crew - I'm out there on my own until the end of the week.
I bought the 1st season DVD and it shows the film crew set up at a base camp for the opening scenes. Then Les goes out. The crew apparently stays at the basecamp for the entire time he's out there, he gets back, and then they pack up and leave. This is from the "Behind the Scenes" part of the DVD. I trust this show is legit.
Bigben
CoyoteWhips
07-30-2007, 10:22
His crew has to be somewhere. But I don't think they help at all during his production week.
In the first season, there were a few times when Stroud did things that might have brought the series to a tragic conclusion. I doubt they would have even found his body if he'd been snake-bit in the jungle or slid down the crevass of a glacier or eaten by an alligator in the bayou. He was darned lucky to find that stream in Arizona.
At first I was amazed at how much survival lore Stroud demonstrated for so many different environments. Then I saw how he spends a week with a local guru. Now I know how to eat grasshoppers.
On a couple of the shows I plugged the location into Google Earth. They put him in some scary, scary geology.
Yeah, I'm still a Les Stoud fan.
Streamweaver
07-30-2007, 10:42
FYI- the newest episodes of survivor Man start Friday Aug 10th
Grumpy Ol' Pops
07-30-2007, 12:03
Just how gullible do they think people are?
Yes, I've watched several episodes in hope of learning something about personal survival under extreme conditions.
Would ANY commercial enterprise put itself into a position where an employee could possibly be in such danger or threat to personal well-being?
Take a close look at some of the filming -- like the episode where "Survivorman" was standing still but the camera was moving toward him, even though he was supposedly alone on the third or fourth day of an episode!
Same thing for that Grylls guy -- who has admitted that his crew is with him.
Even Vince McMahon admitted that he was a fraud!
I agree with Grumpy. There is several times where survivorman is hiking out and there is a camera that isn't moving. It watches him as he hikes farther and farther away out of view. Do you really think he hikes all that way, then walks back and picks up the camera?
At least Man Vs Wild is entertaining...even if it isn't practical haha.
DaSchwartz
07-31-2007, 00:02
Stroud admits to carrying a satelitte phone for emergencies.
Considering he's got 7 days by himself, I do think he is setting up his own scenes and then having to pick up the camera gear. If you think about it, if you are alone for 168 hours, running film for 7 of those hours, then cutting it down to 1 for the show isn't a big deal.
I'm sure he does walk back to get the camera. No big deal, just take off your backpack, walk back and get it.
Stroud does study up for what he is going to come across in the enviroment he is going to be at. Stroud was also very clear when he was stranded at sea that he was being closely monitored. And when that storm came in, it was shown that the crew got him and they anchored near land until the storm passed. Stroud is honest.
And does anything think that Bear actually killed a rabbit by throwing a stick???? Come on.....
I like survivorman better and it appears to be more real.
Just Jeff
07-31-2007, 06:46
I've seen someone kill a small animal with a throwing stick. Then they skinned it and ate it b/c we were in survival class. With the right kind of stick and a little skill, it can be done.
Even so, I like Survivorman better than Man vs Wild, and partly for the reasons you mention.
Ranger Sean Brennan, currently on detail as a criminal investigator assignment with the NPS Investigative Services Branch, flew to the site by chartered float plane the following day with Tetreau and contacted Les Stroud....
...Stroud was cited for commercial filming without a permit, and given the opportunity to obtain a permit. Stroud paid the required application, location and monitoring fees, totaling approximately $2,800, which will allow the park to recover most of the cost of the investigation.
Did that ranger really pay all that money to charter a plane and fly all the way up there just to give someone a ticket? What's that all about. Why did the cost of the investigation exceed the $2,800? Maybe that ranger just wanted to get on TV..
Panzer
SGT Rock
08-20-2007, 23:22
Survivor man is OK in my book. Some of his shows look like a cool hiking trip.
I'm waiting to see "Survivorman vs Man vs Wild" in an epic "Survive to the Death" match, winner take all.......
SGT Rock
08-21-2007, 09:10
Survivor man will get lost and play the harmonica while Man-vs-Wild is sneaking off to a hotel at night.
Jim Adams
08-21-2007, 09:43
Survivor Man shows thinking, concern and knowledge for the situations that he is in.
Man vs Wild appears to jump from one anxiety attack to another.
geek
Jim, that's it in a nutshell! I am sure one would see both types of personalities in a survival situation. I personally like both shows and have learned from both.
Someone just showed a site where man vs. wild was filmed and it turned out that it was just a hundred yards or so from a road. I wish i had a link, it was a riot.
bulldog49
08-22-2007, 10:09
I like Survivor Man much better that Man vs Wild.
Man vs Wild appears to be staged, and no matter where he goes he always has to do a rock climb.
Survivor Man is much more realistic and yes, he does carry, and goes back to retrieve, his own cameras.
Moon Monster
08-22-2007, 12:58
Take a close look at some of the filming -- like the episode where "Survivorman" was standing still but the camera was moving toward him, even though he was supposedly alone on the third or fourth day of an episode!
I just watched the complete season one on DVD after reading your post. I watched specifically for the scene you mention, and never saw it. Can you provide more details? There are lots of cuts and edits from his several cameras. Sometimes, it can start to look akin to some bigger production because of that.
But, we're living in times of small and good cameras that can challenge our notions of how big a production must be to look TV-quality. And giving your observation the benefit of the doubt, shots can be digitally "zoomed" by the editor.
On balance, I think Stroud's Survivorman is as reasonably realistic as it needs to be to be consistently entertaining and informing. And he is consistently honest about what he's doing and when he's cutting corners for the sake of the show. Really, you have to watch all episodes to get the full story about how real everything is or is not.
I found Man v Wild utterly unwatchable and cheesy. But, I eagerly moved through the Survivorman DVDs and highly recommend anyone with Netflix to add them to your queue. Seeing each episode's different means to start a fire and keep it going is alone worth the rental.
I agree the NPS was probably grandstanding a bit on the bust.
Moon Monster I think what the person is referring to is actually some awkward editing. They splice in shots here and there of Les zooming in and out of his camp or what-not which makes it look like it's being filmed by another person. It's really just a matter of weird editing choices. Recently I was watching the one where he made the igloo and he got done saying he was exhausted and ready to sleep and then they cut to a distant shot of the igloo which panned back, while a moment earlier he had been in the igloo. The worst editing job on the show was the swamp episode when they spliced in an alligator while he was riding the raft--very Ed Wood kind of stuff. I have alot of issues with this show but i do know he does do the filming himself.
Anyone see the latest episode in the Amazon? If you're a skeptic, the hike out at dusk because he was afraid of jaguar did seem, as he said in the episode, "contrived." I had chills up my back because I believe he thought he was in danger.....
naturejunkie
08-24-2007, 16:33
It seems that regardless of the filming circumstances, Les Stroud generally gives good advice and makes smart decisions. Bear (man v. wild) does sensationally idiotic things, like jumping into an ice cold river in iceland, or running like a maniac through the woods, at night, in the rockies, because he thought he heard an actual bear. Anyone who bases a survival strategy on Bear's advice would likely be dead or severely injured within a day or two.
Foofoo, I agree that shot with the alligator seemed really disjointed, the only way it could have been worse was if they had just drawn the gator in the background with crayon.
I've only seen a couple episodes of each (I won't pay for cable TV at home), but I have to say I prefer Survivor Man. It has more to do with the personality of the hosts than the specific tactics, though I think survivor man would be more useful to learn from if that was your goal. While I enjoyed both programs, Bear is a little spastic for my taste.
I like all those shows, for different reasons. Bear's show outlines up front there is a film crew with him. Lo and behold the filming is so much better.
Toolshed
08-25-2007, 11:14
I agree with Grumpy. There is several times where survivorman is hiking out and there is a camera that isn't moving. It watches him as he hikes farther and farther away out of view. Do you really think he hikes all that way, then walks back and picks up the camera?
At least Man Vs Wild is entertaining...even if it isn't practical haha.
He has stated it and even complained of it on numerous shows - Where he has to do double the distance to walk back and get the camera. I also believe he probably has a remote telephoto zoom button as well as a remote for a tripod swivel motor.
I like the show and I think Stroud does a great job. The Labrador show was pretty good, where he used the small cabin placed there for emergencies. It also showed how difficult it was to run a dogsled team. It was cut short though because all the late winter rain caused around 6' of slush on top of the ocean ice, rendering travel difficult or impossible for the basecamp team. They were all helicoptered out with their equipment.
It doesn't all have to be "...just me and my multitool" I like the various situations. And even if he does spend a week with a local guru, I don't care if he learned to trap and eat scorpions last year or last week - he is showing me something new. All the better for me!!! :D
trailblazer2003
08-25-2007, 14:01
Someone just showed a site where man vs. wild was filmed and it turned out that it was just a hundred yards or so from a road. I wish i had a link, it was a riot.
Here it is on youtube. I love this video!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cXtBTWk4Atw&mode=related&search=
Toolshed
08-25-2007, 17:23
Here it is on youtube. I love this video!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cXtBTWk4Atw&mode=related&search=
That's pretty funny.
refreeman
08-25-2007, 22:39
Here's another one. The end of the video details the spots where Bear Grylls is clearly caught cheating and faking. Some funny bits at the end too.
Man Vs. Wild, Bear Grylls is a Phony
http://youtube.com/watch?v=acYExF4RRqE&mode=related&search=
I noticed that both Survivorman and Bear Giles both like to use magnesium to start their fires. I have always used a cigerette lighter or stick matches. I was thinking maybe I should get some of the magnesium, but really I don't need it.
Panzer
in several episodes I have also seen survivorman with what looks like a Leatherman pocket tool, or something like that. I never bring a Leatherman with me on the grounds that its too heavy and has too many things that I just don't need like the big pliers. I usually bring a small swiss army knife.
Panzer
Toolshed
08-26-2007, 09:33
I noticed that both Survivorman and Bear Giles both like to use magnesium to start their fires. I have always used a cigerette lighter or stick matches. I was thinking maybe I should get some of the magnesium, but really I don't need it.
Panzer
I've carried a magnesium striker in fall/winter/spring for many years now (I think I picked up the idea in Colin Fletcher Complete Walker or the Mountaineers Freedom of the Hills.
I don;t bother with one in the summer, but it serves piece of mind on very rainy days if your primary lighter and back up lighter and back up-back up matches fail :D :D
And I admit, having one makes me feel full of testoerone and ready to tackle the world!!! I once brought it to the office after my co-workers were wondering what it was when one of the groups on Survivor received one after winning a challenge.
refreeman
08-26-2007, 13:03
A ferrocerium rod and magnesium shavings are the most versatile, efficient and effective means of starting a fire. THEY SHOULD BE IN EVERY BACKPACK. They weight very little and can last indefinitely until used. Moreover, they can be wet, cold or frozen and start a fire. Remember, fire is the most important survival tool. It can warm and dry you. Keep unwanted animals and insects away. Make questionable water safe to drink. Melt snow and ice to give you water to drink. Cook food and make it edible. Make a smoky signal fire so a search party can find you. A ferrocerium rod and magnesium shavings can and will save your life in a survival situation.
refreeman
08-26-2007, 13:10
The reason a ferrocerium rod and magnesium shavings should be in your backpack:
Hypothermia is the number one killer of lost or injured hikers.
I can see why it would be important in a survival situation a have a magnesium block to start a warming fire but when hiking on the AT usually the only fire I ever have is in my cook stove which can be lit with the smallest of sparks from my cigerette lighter. The cigerette lighter can even be empty, I only need the spark. We seldom make camp fires. If I started a thru with magensium fire starter (weight 2 oz) I bet it would be one of those things that never get used and therefore sent home at my first post office stop, with the other things I didn't use.
Panzer
The other thing I was wondering about is, when does he eat?
He does not eat for the week he is out "survivoring", and it seems like he starts another episode the following week.
Panzer
CoyoteWhips
08-26-2007, 15:47
usually the only fire I ever have is in my cook stove which can be lit with the smallest of sparks from my cigerette lighter. The cigerette lighter can even be empty, I only need the spark.
There was the episode where Stroud lit a fire with a spent lighter, bit of TP and some sock lint.
The other thing I was wondering about is, when does he eat?
He does not eat for the week he is out "surviving", and it seems like he starts another episode the following week.
Panzer
In an interview he did, he said that each episode takes a month or so start to finish, a week to a week and a half of preperation, 7 days filming alone, then two weeks of film editing back home.
Thus he is only "surviving" one week a month.
CoyoteWhips
08-26-2007, 22:45
Thus he is only "surviving" one week a month.
Have you also noticed that in the off-season interviews he's a bit fatter?
SGT Rock
08-27-2007, 07:32
Well IMO he would be smart to fatten up between those trips - nothing wrong with adding a little bulk when you know you may need it.
Stonewall
08-27-2007, 09:57
I don't know if anyone has seen this show. but whein I was in the U.K. there was a show Ray Mears Wilderness Survival and Ray Mears Wild Food These 2 shows blew Man vs Wild and Survivorman out of the water. It wasn't just about surviving but it also taught about how the Mesolithic people lived. I would highy recomend checking it out.
refreeman
08-27-2007, 18:26
Stonewall,
Ray Mears is more genuine than Bear Grylls (easily done) and even more genuine than Less Stroud. Ray Mears - (1999-2002) Extreme Survival is one of my all time favorites. Ray Mears - (2007) Wild Foods is also excellent.
In contrast to Bear Grylls and Less Stroud, Ray Mears is more of a naturalist than an action hero (Bear Grylls [fool]) and anti establishment / survivalist (Less Stroud). Ray Mears' character is much closer to Less Stroud's than Bearly Grylls'.
I plan on hiking the trail in 2008 first Thur-hike. But i been hiking and camping since i was 12 years old now 52. And i can tell you that most the things that surviorman show or tell you could and would get you kill in a real survivor matter. Just like the time he said he could find north because moss grow on the north side of the tree. Even a club scout know that not true.This should not even be on the air. Well that it :mad:
Midway Sam
08-28-2007, 13:46
I plan on hiking the trail in 2008 first Thur-hike. But i been hiking and camping since i was 12 years old now 52. And i can tell you that most the things that surviorman show or tell you could and would get you kill in a real survivor matter. Just like the time he said he could find north because moss grow on the north side of the tree. Even a club scout know that not true.This should not even be on the air. Well that it :mad:
Huh? Watch it again. He clearly states that it is not a reliablie indicator, but that in the case of the particular tree he referenced, it did happen to be true.
refreeman
08-28-2007, 14:04
partinj,
SurvivorMan did and usually does qualify his advice with conditions and exceptions. I agree with Midway Sam.
Survivorman shows what a normal person thinking calmly and rationaly can do when stuck in various survival situations to increase their chances.
Man vs. wild shows off what Bear Grylls with elite military training, young and in excellent physical condition, can do in various survival situations and alot of the time is not what a average person can or should attempt.
There are some good ideas on both shows.
Now he's in the Kalahari eating scorpions and drinking his pee. uuggg
It's enough to make you quit hiking.
Panzer
Lone Wolf
08-29-2007, 20:57
Now he's in the Kalahari eating scorpions and drinking his pee. uuggg
It's enough to make you quit hiking.
Panzer
the guy;s a clown, just entertainment
He quit his kalahari desert survivorman trip after only 48 hours with no appreciable amount of water.
At least he's honest. He kind of proves that you can't last 7 days in the Kalahari without a reliable water supply.
Panzer
Nearly Normal
08-30-2007, 12:48
I'd rather watch Tarzan.
Nearly Normal
Maineack
08-30-2007, 13:09
Good, sometimes funny, family entertainment. Not a good source for reliable survival tips, all things considered.
now he's in the Sonoran desert, Arizona, eating grasshopper-hebab. He's big on eating bugs. At least he cooking them on the campfire.
I guess this means if you get lost your going to have to eat bugs. So you better not get lost.
Panzer
Grumpy Ol' Pops
09-10-2007, 01:13
At least he had an interesting looking firestarter when he went to Alaska. It was a cylinder and tight-fitting piston of wood. When the piston was inserted into the cylinder and the air in the cylinder was compressed with a slap of the hand, it raised the temperature of the air in the cylinder high enough to cause some tinder inside it to ignite into a few embers.
Quickly moving the embers to a prepared pile of tinder under the fire started his fire INSIDE his shelter. The shelter of driftwood caught fire while he was sleeping and nearly ended the show right there!
Has anyone seen something like this firestarter anywhere?
At least he had an interesting looking firestarter when he went to Alaska. It was a cylinder and tight-fitting piston of wood. When the piston was inserted into the cylinder and the air in the cylinder was compressed with a slap of the hand, it raised the temperature of the air in the cylinder high enough to cause some tinder inside it to ignite into a few embers.
Quickly moving the embers to a prepared pile of tinder under the fire started his fire INSIDE his shelter. The shelter of driftwood caught fire while he was sleeping and nearly ended the show right there!
Has anyone seen something like this firestarter anywhere?
Pops as old you are should know this its a fire piston i got two
Sometimes I use an 8 ounce aluminum container of kerosene with a pour spout and a cigarette lighter. That's the easy way to start a fire.
Panzer
Grumpy Ol' Pops
09-10-2007, 10:09
Pops as old you are should know this its a fire piston i got two
OOps:
I've never seen one before!
The Weasel
09-10-2007, 11:08
Makes me wonder how many of his other shows were filmed on state/federal land without permits. Things like that give outdoors people a bad rep too.
The Weasel
Gray Blazer
09-10-2007, 11:18
Now he's in the Kalahari eating scorpions and drinking his pee. uuggg
It's enough to make you quit hiking.
Panzer
You can only drink your pee so many times in the desert. I forget how many.:confused: I think you eventually stop peeing.:eek:
refreeman
09-10-2007, 15:29
At least he had an interesting looking firestarter when he went to Alaska. It was a cylinder and tight-fitting piston of wood. When the piston was inserted into the cylinder and the air in the cylinder was compressed with a slap of the hand, it raised the temperature of the air in the cylinder high enough to cause some tinder inside it to ignite into a few embers.
Quickly moving the embers to a prepared pile of tinder under the fire started his fire INSIDE his shelter. The shelter of driftwood caught fire while he was sleeping and nearly ended the show right there!
Has anyone seen something like this firestarter anywhere?
Check some fire pistons here. They have some good demo videos too.
http://www.firepiston.com/
I have seen many times where he leaves a running camera on say, one side of a fridgid river, walks accross it.
He then has to retreive it by crossing the river and bring it back over with the rest of his property.
He does it for the shot.
He is out there alone after the first day and with 5-6 cameras.
If he didnt do all that for the shot, what would be the pupose of the show?
It would play off more like a documentary if he didnt go to all lengths for the shots alone.
And he at times does have a back up team closer to where he is located, in the event he needs emergency evacuation.
Its really not "surviving" because he has so much gear with him. In Labrador he even had a gun. He's not lost, and has a rescue team nearby. The only thing he is really missing is food. It more like camping while being on a diet. Still its not a bad way to make a living. If I could I would trade my job for his.
Panzer
Survivorman says that rotten meat from the forest floor is not as bad as spoiled meat from the supermarket. Meat can be tainted in the slaughter house, trucks that transport it to the supermarket, on the supermarket shelf, or in your refrigerator. Anywhere in the supply chain it only takes a few
E. Coli germs to really taint the meat. He says that rotten meat from the forest floor is not as bad. Do you buy that arguement?
Panzer
CoyoteWhips
09-13-2007, 07:57
E. Coli germs to really taint the meat. He says that rotten meat from the forest floor is not as bad. Do you buy that arguement?
Yes. There are people who eat "high meat", which is meat that is purposely rotted. Meat rotting in open air, probably at cooler than typical room temperature, would be a lucky find for somebody in a survival situation.
Keep in mind that whatever killed it in the first place is going to be back for seconds, now that it's properly ripe.
On the topic of unrotted meat, I recently met a woman who worked for a state agency where biologists evaluated road kill. When a fresh one came in, that got butchered and tagged for roasting. Seemed to me that preparing good roadkill is a darned useful skill!
On the topic of unrotted meat, I recently met a woman who worked for a state agency where biologists evaluated road kill. When a fresh one came in, that got butchered and tagged for roasting. Seemed to me that preparing good roadkill is a darned useful skill!
I believe I once heard that a number of "fresh" roadkill deer are donated to food banks and homeless shelters in NYS. "Waste not, want not" seems like an appropos slogan for this valid use of non-farm raised meat.
Hikerhead
09-13-2007, 20:11
In the Labrador show he said something like"that Grey Jay doesn't know it but he might be dinner tomorrow night". I would not have liked that.
But I think it's an intertaining show.
he says his favorite multi-tool is the Leatherman WAVE.
http://www.leatherman.com/products/tools/wave/default.asp
Panzer
OldStormcrow
09-30-2007, 01:32
You know what I have to say about this "Survivor Man" reality show? Bo-o-o-gus! For someone who has a float plane and a support crew so close by all the time ( and we all know he really does), he sure seems to get awfully emotional in front of his "personally-toted" video camera, whining about how lonely he is, he's dizzy from lack of protien, he's afraid the wild animals are going to eat him, etc. I wish a polar bear would happen upon him on one of his brief solo moments and eat him, saving us from yet another season of his Bo-o-o-gus show!
He's just trying to relate what it "feels" like to be stranded. Good actors are supposed to get emotional at times.
As far as the polar bear is concerned, he did have a rifle with him in that episode.
The show is "Bo-o-o-gus" only in the sense that he is not really stranded. He is only pretending to be stranded. That is a given at the start of each episode. How else would he explain all the cameras being there.
Panzer
I plan on hiking the trail in 2008 first Thur-hike. But i been hiking and camping since i was 12 years old now 52. And i can tell you that most the things that surviorman show or tell you could and would get you kill in a real survivor matter. Just like the time he said he could find north because moss grow on the north side of the tree. Even a club scout know that not true.This should not even be on the air. Well that it :mad:
Huh? Watch it again. He clearly states that it is not a reliablie indicator, but that in the case of the particular tree he referenced, it did happen to be true.
That episode is on again tonight "The Boreal Forest". He shows a couple of trees that have moss growing on the north side and said that lots of people use this as a guide but he says that he has seen "thousands" of trees that had moss growing on another side and that he does not go by this.
Panzer
SGT Rock
10-03-2007, 20:11
I saw that too - he specifically says that is not the way to find north. He was pointing out that in that one case it was true but that it meant nothing.
Yes. There are people who eat "high meat", which is meat that is purposely rotted. Meat rotting in open air, probably at cooler than typical room temperature, would be a lucky find for somebody in a survival situation.
Keep in mind that whatever killed it in the first place is going to be back for seconds, now that it's properly ripe.
On the topic of unrotted meat, I recently met a woman who worked for a state agency where biologists evaluated road kill. When a fresh one came in, that got butchered and tagged for roasting. Seemed to me that preparing good roadkill is a darned useful skill!
I usually get three to five such kills each year. Take the animal to the local sheriffs office and get a permit for it. Can anyone say venison jerky and pepper stick?
Waste not, want not.:sun