Ouch!

[Jack Tarlin]

Any of you guys ever go swimming on the Trail or near it..... and wondered what was in the water with you? I remember a bunch of hikers a few years back who were skinny-dipping in a pond in Tennessee who ran into an elderly townie right afterwards, who thoughtfully told them that locals avoided that particular body of water because (and this is a quote from the old gentleman): "There's snappin' turtles in there as big as a tire and they'll take your tally-whacker off like it was a cocktail frank!"

I don't think any of these guys went swimming the rest of their trip. Or maybe the rest of their lives.

Anyway, y'all should Google "Alligator Arm South Carolina" and you'll see a pretty horrible news story.

In any case, watch wear you swim, cuz you might not like what's out there.

And how come these stories always seem to take place down South anyway? :-?

[Footslogger]

...and then there's the recent story from north Florida of a boy who went swimming in a lake and died 3 - 4 days later. Turns out to be an ameoba that lives in the silted bottom of the lake(s) that is taken into the body through an open cavity like the nose or mouth. Produces flu-like symptoms but typically results in death because the early symptoms are not thought to be serious enough to warrant a visit to the ER or doctors office.

http://www.thelifetree.com/newsarticle03.htm

'Slogger

[Jack Tarlin]

Like I said, it's always down South somewhere...... :-?

[SGT Rock]

That is because we like a little danger in our critters.

[Lone Wolf]

the south will rise again! w t f does that mean anyway?:-?

[The Cheat]

the south will rise again! w t f does that mean anyway?:-?

Apparently it means they'll rise from the dead, because all their critters ate them.

[JAK]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYnt3RTwl0M

...
Once I was swimming cross Turtle creek
many snappers all around my feet
Shure was hard swimming cross that thing
with both hands holdin' my ding a ling

[DavidNH]

From New Jersey Northward.. you get plenty of wonderful glacial type lakes.. nice cool deep blue water..

No problems with gators, and things that byte up here. I guess all the bad stuff can't last through our northern winters :-?

Davd

[mudhead]

the south will rise again! w t f does that mean anyway?:-?

Latest Cialis ad...

[Johnny Thunder]

Two from Yankee country -

Walking from Pinkham Notch towards Wildcat Mt you can take a left after crossing the highway and walk about 10 minutes following a stream to a slick rock water fall. We used to walk there as a warmup before hiking the Tuckerman's Ravine trail. One frosty September morning I saw a guy rip his ash wide open trying to slide down it in nylon shorts. Ended his hike real quick.

Anyway, it's been at least 10 years since I was there so I'm not sure how close it is to the AT.

A bit further from the trail...one summer I went to camp at a place on the Thames River in Connecticut. Hamburg Cove to be specific. There's this thing called "Hamburg's Cove disease" where the native algae gets under your skin and turns it green in the sunlight. Well, I was in the older cabin and heard some of the guys sneaking out one night to go skinny dipping with the girls. The next day the some of the older girls turned green sunning themselves by the pool. Then the guys.

Johnny

[Jack Tarlin]

Actually, David, you are quite mistaken.

There are all sorts of scary and horrifying things found on or in open water in these parts, and caution is advised.

Here are merely two examples that frequent Northern waters:

http://www.dreckless.com/images/Kerry%20windsurfing.jpg

http://russmaney.com/Ted_Kennedy.jpg

Don't go near the water!! :eek:

[FFTorched]

Actually, David, you are quite mistaken.

There are all sorts of scary and horrifying things found on or in open water in these parts, and caution is advised.

Here are merely two examples that frequent Northern waters:

http://www.dreckless.com/images/Kerry%20windsurfing.jpg

http://russmaney.com/Ted_Kennedy.jpg

Don't go near the water!! :eek:


Hilliarious :D

[The Old Fhart]

SGT Rock-"That is because we like a little danger in our critters."I heard that the reason you got your little 'critters' and New England got the black flies is the south had first choice.:D

[sweetpeastu]

Wolf, as I'm sure you know, it means when you Yankees came down here during the war you burned and trashed our cities completely during the "reconstruction" period....Thus, "The South shall rise again" pretty much explains itself. :)

[Old Grouse]

David, I recall an article in Yankee Magazine about 20 years ago in which an expert opined that there's snapping turtles in most new england lakes and ponds - but they are rarely seen. I know we have plenty of 'em around here.

[Mother's Finest]

Wolf, as I'm sure you know, it means when you Yankees came down here during the war you burned and trashed our cities completely during the "reconstruction" period....Thus, "The South shall rise again" pretty much explains itself. :)

Actually, the sacking and burning of the south (for instance Shermans march across Georgia) took place prior to the "reconstruction period"....when the war was still going on, and you rebels were still trying to kill yankees and maintain your immoral economic system.:p

God help us all if the South Rises Again.

peace
mf

[Krewzer]

And how come these stories always seem to take place down South anyway? :-?

They were just regular turtles before all these Yankee capet baggers started drinking our liquor, chasin' our women, taking viagra, and swimmng in our ponds.....I think that pissed 'em off.

I don't have a clue what made the amoeba mad though. They're sort of clannish and don't talk much.......:p

[hopefulhiker]

In 05 I went swimming with some folks at Sunfish pond until we realized that we were swimming with a water moccasin!

[Lone Wolf]

In 05 I went swimming with some folks at Sunfish pond until we realized that we were swimming with a water moccasin!

plus you were breaking the law. NO SWIMMING in Sunfish Pond. Public water supply

[Tipi Walter]

I went swimming in the Tellico River 3 weeks ago(right where the locals dump garbage and dead animals) and I've been sick ever since. Stomach cramps, bloating, constipation. I looked up my symptoms on the net and think I have either giardia, stomach cancer, hepatitis, gall stones, liver cancer, pancreatis or dyspepsia. All this for one swim? Shat upon me.

But I'm now in my 5th day of juice fasting and things are looking up. Let's hear it for carrot juice!

[stumpy]

...and then there's the recent story from north Florida of a boy who went swimming in a lake and died 3 - 4 days later. Turns out to be an ameoba that lives in the silted bottom of the lake(s) that is taken into the body through an open cavity like the nose or mouth. Produces flu-like symptoms but typically results in death because the early symptoms are not thought to be serious enough to warrant a visit to the ER or doctors office.

http://www.thelifetree.com/newsarticle03.htm

'Slogger


There were actually three boys that died this summer, in central florida, from exposure to ameobas. They live (the ameobeas) in the water once the water temps. are up. All three were wakeboarding and got water forced up thier nose. That is just one of the dangers in the water in Central Florida! To me it is the worst, becouse it is invisable and silent!!!!!!!

[Jack Tarlin]

Man, the true depth of Hopeful's ignorance on so many things is astonishing.

And I know he has irrational fears about all sorts of things, too, but let me set his mind at ease on at least one of them:

Hopeful, Sunfish Pond, last time I checked, is in New Jersey.

There are NO, and I mean zip, none, zero water mocccasins in New Jersey. In fact, there are none within many hundreds of miles from New Jersey.

Calm yourself.

[Toolshed]

plus you were breaking the law. NO SWIMMING in Sunfish Pond. Public water supply

Didja forget. Laws don't apply to Hopeful in makebeleive land. We are all better for his experience of swimming in our public water supply.

[hopefulhiker]

Sorry wrong pond...

[Jack Tarlin]

Or wrong snake. Or maybe just wrong, period...... :D

[SGT Rock]

But Warren would be proud of you Hopeful. It is only water provided to evil corporations at a rate that makes it welfare.

Way to go!

[sweetpeastu]

Actually, the sacking and burning of the south (for instance Shermans march across Georgia) took place prior to the "reconstruction period"....when the war was still going on, and you rebels were still trying to kill yankees and maintain your immoral economic system.:p

God help us all if the South Rises Again.

peace
mf


touche. lol.

[Gaiter]

here is another story from the south and a true one:
not realated to swiming in places, but along the lines of stuff you don't want in your body

a girl i know went on a date to the movies, she felt something moving in the back of her throat, reached in her mouth and pulled out a long tape worm, right in the middle of her date, which ended w/ a trip to the hospital to be de-wormed

[SGT Rock]

What makes you think you were the Warren I was talking about? Guilty conscience?

[Jack Tarlin]

Hey Mother's Finest and SweetPea, at some point you should read up on the mills and factories up North, in places like Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut. Read up on how they operated and prospered. Read up on their labor policies, especially those involving children; immigrants; excessive work hours; unhealthy working conditions; lack of medical treatment or disability insurance; harsh treatment of labor organizers, etc.

If you think the South was the only part of the country that depended on an "immoral economic system", think again.

[hiker5]

here is another story from the south and a true one:
not realated to swiming in places, but along the lines of stuff you don't want in your body

a girl i know went on a date to the movies, she felt something moving in the back of her throat, reached in her mouth and pulled out a long tape worm, right in the middle of her date, which ended w/ a trip to the hospital to be de-wormed

Now thats just nasty!

[Jack Tarlin]

Hmmm. Why is it not surprising to learn that one of Mr. Doyle's "favorite" places to swim on the Trail is a place where swimming is expressly forbidden, and where it is obvious to every passerby that swimming is illegal there?

Here we go again...........:D

Wasn't he the fellow who recently complained about being "harassed" here?

If you don't want the harassment, bub, keep your crimes to yourself.

Move on folks, nothing to see here.

[warren doyle]

SGT Rock #30
"What makes you think you were the Warren I was talking about? Guilty conscience?"
__________________

And once again, your words, not mine.

The only people that can make me feel guilty or ashamed is myself, my loved ones, my friends and other people whom I admire and respect.

[SGT Rock]

That must be a short list.

[Jack Tarlin]

Warren:

That you essentially view yourself as utterly shameless is hardly news to anyone in the long-distance hiking community, but it is very gracious of you to finally acknowledge this.

Took long enough, tho...... :D

[SGT Rock]

Is this one of those things where Warren only respects those willing to kiss his ass?

[warren doyle]

Post #35 "That must be a short list."

I am quite content with the length and breadth of my list.


Post #37 "Is this one of those things where Warren only respects those willing to kiss his ass?"

The above post puts you in select WhiteBlaze company.

[SGT Rock]

I imagine so. But I thought you said if people kept pointing out your moral lapses on the site you would stop coming back? Apparently I am not that low if you keep coming back. This is like the second thread I have brought it up.

Edit...

I neglected to mention you snapped at the bait like an old hack. Internegator I may be, but interdedede you are.

DeDeDe. Get a football helmet.

[Skyline]

Apparently it means they'll rise from the dead, because all their critters ate them.


I guess Wolf had better start filtering his water south of the Mason-Dixon line!

[rickb]

plus you were breaking the law. NO SWIMMING in Sunfish Pond. Public water supply

Are you sure its a public water supply?

[Nightwalker]

Latest Cialis ad...

Beat me to it. :cool:

[Lone Wolf]

sounds like you southern folks shoulda picked your own damn cotton. lazy asses.

[Jimmers]

Are you sure its a public water supply?

The pond isn't, but there is a resorvoir nearby. (1 or 2 miles) No swimming because it's a protected natural site. Glacial tarns aren't exactly common in New Jersey. Be nice not to pollute the only one more than necessary.;)

[SGT Rock]

I like to go to that pond and snag some Doyle Fish.

[Jimmers]

I like to go to that pond and snag some Doyle Fish.

That's no fun! They practically jump out of the water at you. No skill or effort required.;)

[SGT Rock]

I know. It is amazingly easy.

[rickb]

No swimming because it's a protected natural site.


Not condoning Warren's lawless behavior, but I believe the no swimming regs were put in place for the benefit of public safety, not resource protection. No lifeguard.

[Lone Wolf]

Not condoning Warren's lawless behavior, but I believe the no swimming regs were put in place for the benefit of public safety, not resource protection. No lifeguard.

prove it with a link

[hopefulhiker]

Well I remember seeing a snake somewhere on the trail!

[Krewzer]

Sunfish Pond is one of my favorite swimming holes in the Mid-Atlantic section of the AT.


Hmmm.....swimming is expressly forbidden, and .... it is obvious to every passerby that swimming is illegal there?

I was powerful sorry to hear about the shortage of snakes up there and was going to send y'all some, but looks like you got one in there you didn't know about so I won't bother.

[rickb]

prove it with a link

To a man who thought it to be a public water supply? :eek:

Lets ask Warren. :D

[SGT Rock]

I heard him say something about not coming back. Then again he said that before. Interdedede

[Jimmers]

Not condoning Warren's lawless behavior, but I believe the no swimming regs were put in place for the benefit of public safety, not resource protection. No lifeguard.

Could be the reason, but I think it has more to do with the stricter rules that cover a "Natural Area (http://www.state.nj.us/dep/parksandforests/natural/natareas.html)" like Sunfish. Doesn't say why specifically anywhere, but if they allow you to swim in the Delaware river with no lifeguard.....;)

[rickb]

You make a persuasive case Jimmers!

[SGT Rock]

Looks like Warren isn't only a law breaker, he can't even keep his own word - he came back.

InterDeDeDe.

[L Tee]

the south will rise again! w t f does that mean anyway?:-?

If you dont know what it means now then you never will :)

[Lone Wolf]

If you dont know what it means now then you never will :)

it means we kicked your ancestors asses and there ain't s**t you or any other dumb****** rebel can do to change it. rise this.:D

[saimyoji]

If the south would rise again,

the north would raze again. :D

[SGT Rock]

Except get southern Democrats elected to president. It has worked a few times lately.

See, and you didn't even realize it was happening.

[dixicritter]

Could be the reason, but I think it has more to do with the stricter rules that cover a "Natural Area (http://www.state.nj.us/dep/parksandforests/natural/natareas.html)" like Sunfish. Doesn't say why specifically anywhere, but if they allow you to swim in the Delaware river with no lifeguard.....;)

Here's the section from that same site about Sunfish pond...


Sunfish Pond Natural Area (258 acres)


This impressive glacial lake, surrounded by a chestnut oak forest is reached by a steep and rocky climb along the Appalachian Trail. No swimming or camping is permitted at this area, however, 1/4 mile south of the pond along the Appalachian Trail is a backpacking wilderness camping area. This camping area is monitored by a caretaker who teaches Leave No Trace techniques, precautions on Living in Bear Country and enforces the No Fire regulation.

(emphasis mine)

And the link... http://www.state.nj.us/dep/parksandforests/parks/worthington.html#sun

[L Tee]

Well my great great grandfather lived to see another day

Confederate Deaths - 260,000
Union Deaths - 365,000.

Seems like my ancestors kicked your ancestors asses you just happend to win the war. *


*All Union casualty figures, and Confederate killed in action, from The Oxford Companion to American Military History.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_casualties_of_war#_note-Oxford) Estimate of total Confederate dead from James M. McPherson, Battle Cry of Freedom (Oxford University Press, 1988), 854. See also Casualties of the American Civil War (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Casualties_of_the_American_Civil_W ar&action=edit).

[Appalachian Tater]

Not condoning Warren's lawless behavior, but I believe the no swimming regs were put in place for the benefit of public safety, not resource protection. No lifeguard.

You're right. I specifically asked someone quasi-official that I met that day about that because so many people were swimming in the lake. He said that they didn't really care, it was just a liability issue, because there was no lifeguard, that it didn't hurt anything. It may have been a ranger, or a ridgerunner/member of the local trail club, can't remember exactly.

Usually municipal water sources and watersheds are clearly marked so that terrorists can easily find them.

[Krewzer]

prove it with a link

It doesn't really matter why it's illegal, it's still illegal.

Make what you like of this link, but this guy says no swimming in New Jersey State Parks without a lifeguard. (scroll down to Sunfish Pond) Like I said, it doesn't matter.
http://www.swimmingholes.info/nj.html

So much for "snappin' turtle humor. That's over. WD makes it really hard for a lot of us to cut him slack.

[Jimmers]

Oops, sorry Dixie, I wasn't clear. I meant they don't say specifically the reasons why no swimming is permitted in Sunfish Pond. :o

[Jimmers]

Except get southern Democrats elected to president. It has worked a few times lately.

See, and you didn't even realize it was happening.

If Carter was the best the south could sneak in they won't be rising too far.:D

[L Tee]

for the record, I dont claim carter :)

[SGT Rock]

Yer fergettin Klinton

[dixicritter]

Oops, sorry Dixie, I wasn't clear. I meant they don't say specifically the reasons why no swimming is permitted in Sunfish Pond. :o

No problem, just pointing out the facts. :)

[Appalachian Tater]

Well my great great grandfather lived to see another day

Confederate Deaths - 260,000
Union Deaths - 365,000.

Seems like my ancestors kicked your ancestors asses you just happend to win the war. *


*All Union casualty figures, and Confederate killed in action, from The Oxford Companion to American Military History.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_casualties_of_war#_note-Oxford) Estimate of total Confederate dead from James M. McPherson, Battle Cry of Freedom (Oxford University Press, 1988), 854. See also Casualties of the American Civil War (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Casualties_of_the_American_Civil_W ar&action=edit).


Disease killed more than battle injuries, that's usually been true in war, especially if you look at civilian deaths, too.

[L Tee]

and definately dont claim clinton lol

[SGT Rock]

Maybe not, but the funny thing is (from the historical perspective) that northerners are the biggest supporters of southern democratic presidents. If you would have told them that 140 years ago they would not belive it.

[Appalachian Tater]

Hey Mother's Finest and SweetPea, at some point you should read up on the mills and factories up North, in places like Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut. Read up on how they operated and prospered. Read up on their labor policies, especially those involving children; immigrants; excessive work hours; unhealthy working conditions; lack of medical treatment or disability insurance; harsh treatment of labor organizers, etc.

If you think the South was the only part of the country that depended on an "immoral economic system", think again.

Hate to tell you, Jack, we still have sweatshops like that here in NYC with all of those characteristics except maybe no child labor--

[L Tee]

haha they would have slapped you across your face

[tripp]

sounds like you southern folks shoulda picked your own damn cotton. lazy asses.

Now that's funny :D... If we had followed this peice of brilliant hindsight advice the war could've been prevented :-?... oh well water under the bridge as they say

[Jimmers]

Maybe not, but the funny thing is (from the historical perspective) that northerners are the biggest supporters of southern democratic presidents. If you would have told them that 140 years ago they would not belive it.

Now that's the truth. Funny how things change with time isn't it? What's next, the return of the Know Nothing Party? :D

(or are they already back?:-?)

[L Tee]

Im usually not a fan of republican bashing. But that was pretty damn clever. I commend you Jimmers...

[Jimmers]

Thank you, thank you, and remember, the 10 o'clock show is different than the 9 o'clock show.:D

Seriously, no bashing intended. Know Nothing covers a frightening span within both parties.

[Jester2000]

Hey Mother's Finest and SweetPea, at some point you should read up on the mills and factories up North, in places like Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut. Read up on how they operated and prospered. Read up on their labor policies, especially those involving children; immigrants; excessive work hours; unhealthy working conditions; lack of medical treatment or disability insurance; harsh treatment of labor organizers, etc.

If you think the South was the only part of the country that depended on an "immoral economic system", think again.

Who knew that jack was such a Pro Labor guy? I can only assume that he is, based on Labor's effect on the policies he so rightly decries.


You're right. I specifically asked someone quasi-official that I met that day about that because so many people were swimming in the lake. He said that they didn't really care, it was just a liability issue, because there was no lifeguard, that it didn't hurt anything. It may have been a ranger, or a ridgerunner/member of the local trail club, can't remember exactly.


Mighta just been a guy wearin' khaki.

[Nightwalker]

sounds like you southern folks shoulda picked your own damn cotton. lazy asses.

I'm pretty sure if my waybacks knew what kind of trouble it was gonna be, they would have.

[Nightwalker]

If Carter was the best the south could sneak in they won't be rising too far.:D

Strangely enough, many folks seem to think that Clinton was a Southern Democrat. Go figure.

[Jimmers]

Strangely enough, many folks seem to think that Clinton was a Southern Democrat. Go figure.

Bah, Clinton was a left wing Republican who knew he couldn't get elected as a Republican. :D

[Jim Adams]

That's no fun! They practically jump out of the water at you. No skill or effort required.;)

Its amazing how high they can jump w/o a pack on their back!:D


Could be the reason, but I think it has more to do with the stricter rules that cover a "Natural Area (http://www.state.nj.us/dep/parksandforests/natural/natareas.html)" like Sunfish. Doesn't say why specifically anywhere, but if they allow you to swim in the Delaware river with no lifeguard.....;)

The pond is probably covered by rules and regs for the state parks of NJ but the Delaware River would ultimately be governed by the Army Corps of Engineers. Totally seperate systems.:-?

[Jimmers]

Its amazing how high they can jump w/o a pack on their back!:D

Isn't it though? And the complete lack of heavy exercise leaves the meat so soft and flaky...well, flaky anyway.;)


The pond is probably covered by rules and regs for the state parks of NJ but the Delaware River would ultimately be governed by the Army Corps of Engineers. Totally seperate systems.

Ah, quite true. I forgot that even though Worthington State forest goes right up to the rivers edge the NPS has control over the river itself and the recreational activities in that stretch. Sigh. Well, there's another perfectly good theory shot full of holes. :D

But they do allow swimming in the lower Delaware without lifeguards...oh forget it. Moot is moot.

[Heater]

Yer fergettin Klinton

Kinton is the best we have had in recebt memory.

You think Bush or Bush Sr. or Raygun was better? Why?

What I like about Clinton is that in his admin, he brought the economy to a reasonable figure after his two previously inept high expense predecessors.
THAT is saying something important if one can get past the bible belt mentality.

[SGT Rock]

Kinton is the best we have had in recebt memory.

You think Bush or Bush Sr. or Raygun was better? Why?

What I like about Clinton is that in his admin, he brought the economy to a reasonable figure after his two previously inept high expense predecessors.
THAT is saying something important if one can get past the bible belt mentality.
Ya'll are trying to talk politics. Keep off that. Look at what forum this isn't in.

I was only pointing out the irony of how the south is actually raising again and no one noticed it. I never went there on the others Austexs.

[saimyoji]

And how come these stories always seem to take place down South anyway? :-?

Jack started it. Its all his fault. Release the snappers. :D

[Outlaw]

Yer fergettin Klinton

Yer also fergettin Monica, who, on more than one occasion, helped Klinton rise to the occasion. :D

[The Solemates]

Like I said, it's always down South somewhere...... :-?

florida is not in the south.

[SGT Rock]

Well I like some of the panhandle folks, commonly referred to as LA (Lower Alabama)

[Jim Adams]

Well I like some of the panhandle folks, commonly referred to as LA (Lower Alabama)
Actually thats "Baja Alabama":D

geek

[warren doyle]

Since when is '************' a bad word?

[SGT Rock]

LOL. It is funny isn't it Warren.

[Freeleo]

just added to the gear list....a protective cup and jock strap sown into a swim suit:p

[Gray Blazer]

Well I like some of the panhandle folks, commonly referred to as LA (Lower Alabama)
Gainesville, Fl is south.:sun Speaking of OUCH, if you come into our auditoriums to hear a dem speak, you could get tasered (scream like a little girl here). :eek: People from TN don't like to come into our swamp because they will get spanked.;) Ouch!!

[sweetpeastu]

Hey Mother's Finest and SweetPea, at some point you should read up on the mills and factories up North, in places like Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut. Read up on how they operated and prospered. Read up on their labor policies, especially those involving children; immigrants; excessive work hours; unhealthy working conditions; lack of medical treatment or disability insurance; harsh treatment of labor organizers, etc.

If you think the South was the only part of the country that depended on an "immoral economic system", think again.

Thank you, I have read about the north and their industry. I was never debating the South's "immoral economic system". I don't know where you got that from. All I was sayin was that them damn Yankees (I like saying that) came down here and burned our cities.

[chief]

Well I like some of the panhandle folks, commonly referred to as LA (Lower Alabama)Now hold on Sarge, LA is exclusively Mobile and Baldwin counties in AL. We got way more class than those panhandlers. I was raised on the panhandle, but had to move to LA because I had all my teeth and my parents weren't related.

[Jack Tarlin]

Hmmmm. Been away all day.

I don't know if people are still debating the swimming regulations at Sunfish Pond, but if you Google "Sunfish Pond" and then click "Images" there are many photos of the pond, including several of the sign posted prominently at water's edge. I think it's the 9th photo on the page.

It clearly says "No Swimming."

If Mr. Doyle is to be believed about his frequent visits to this spot, then it's pretty inconceivable that he hasn't seen this sign, or is unaware of posted regulations.

I think this concludes the matter, the facts of which speak for themselves.

Note to Mr. Doyle: This thread is about hazards while swimming. It's not about breaking laws or bragging about doing so. If you wish to write about your criminal history, despite being asked several times by website administrators to give this subject a rest, I suppose it can't be prevented. But do it on your own thread.

[Lone Wolf]

i would be willing to bet the majority of hikers that pass that pond on a hot summer day go swimming. not just warren

[The Old Fhart]

Jack Tarlin-"This thread is about hazards while swimming."....but isn't one of the hazards for WD getting caught and fined?:-?

[Mother's Finest]

Hey Mother's Finest and SweetPea, at some point you should read up on the mills and factories up North, in places like Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut. Read up on how they operated and prospered. Read up on their labor policies, especially those involving children; immigrants; excessive work hours; unhealthy working conditions; lack of medical treatment or disability insurance; harsh treatment of labor organizers, etc.

If you think the South was the only part of the country that depended on an "immoral economic system", think again.



Jack,

are you trying to say that the north prospered thru trade with the south; that the mills of massachusetts made their $$$ on the back of the southern slaves? Because I do not disagree with you.

But to compare child labor, lack of insurance or other unfair labor practices to the institution of Human Bondage borders on ludicrous.

I also thank you for the advice to "read up" on our US history. :-?

peace
mf

[The Old Fhart]

Jack Tarlin-“ Hey Mother's Finest and SweetPea, at some point you should read up on the mills and factories up North, in places like Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut. Read up on how they operated and prospered. Read up on their labor policies, especially those involving children; immigrants; excessive work hours; unhealthy working conditions; lack of medical treatment or disability insurance; harsh treatment of labor organizers, etc.”

Mother's Finest-“ Jack, are you trying to say that the north prospered thru trade with the south; that the mills of Massachusetts made their $$$ on the back of the southern slaves? Because I do not disagree with you.
But to compare child labor, lack of insurance or other unfair labor practices to the institution of Human Bondage borders on ludicrous.”
Just to clear up a point-Jack was only saying how bad conditions were in northern factories, he didn't say :"the mills of massachusetts made their $$$ on the back of the southern slaves?" While you can't say the conditions in northern factories was slavery as it existed in the south, we northerners made a damn good try to duplicate it in most ways. :o

One reason I know this is I used to live in Dover, New Hampshire and the Cocheco Manufacturing mentioned in the following long quote from "The Workers In American History" was nearby. Its worker's contract is often cited as a bad example of the all-powerful corporations of that time period. The building still exists today as a industrial complex but it is still a reminder of the way workers were mistreated in the 1800s.


By 1831 some of the factories became torture chambers similar to those that gave British capitalists their blood-stained fortunes some decades before. “Women and children in the factories…” says one writer, “were frequently beaten with cowhides and otherwise mistreated. An instance was shown of a deaf and dumb boy receiving a hundred lashes from his neck to his feet; and another of the breaking of the leg of an eleven-year-old girl by a club thrown at her by an employer.”

Massachusetts “democracy,” with its old trade-mark, also appears with the rise of the factory system. Corporation Boarding houses and corporation churches became adjuncts to the factories and employees could only get work by signing contracts that rigidly bound them to the sweaters of labor. The Lowell Manufacturing Company’s rules, 1830-1840, provided that all employees must board at the company house and observe its minute regulations; all must go to church and must work 12 months unless two weeks notice of intention is given. Other detail regulations are considered part of the contract.

During the same period the Cocheco Manufacturing Company, at Dover, New Hampshire, has contracts with its “hands” by which the later agree to not join any labor organization and if they do they forfeit the wages due them; they agree to accept such wages “as the company may see fit to pay”; They are subject to fines; two cents per week are deducted for a sick fund; The agree not to leave the employ of the company without giving two weeks’ notice, and if they do they forfeit two weeks pay, and if discharged they are not entitled to their wages until two weeks after discharge. The employees of these factories were nearly all girls. Corporation paternalism became rampant. The girls not only slept in company houses, but patronized company stores. Some corporations maintained churches, paid the preacher’s salary, collected pew rents from the operatives, and held out fixed sums for their wages for the welfare of their souls! Six and eight girls frequently occupied the same bed chamber and the hours of labor varied from twelve in summer to fourteen in winter."

[Krewzer]

Yer also fergettin Monica, who, on more than one occasion, helped Klinton rise to the occasion. :D

..........speaking of "snappin' turtles."

[Krewzer]

Well I like some of the panhandle folks, commonly referred to as LA (Lower Alabama)

....my ole heart strings are humming just thinking about the "Mullet Toss" championship at the FloraBama.
(for all y'all that don't know, it's south side LA)
(for all y'all that don't know, "all y'all" is the plural of y'all)

[Lilred]

When we first moved to TN., there was a billboard on I-65 that had a rebel flag and a caption that read, "The South's gonna do it again". My husband and I always laughed at that. He'd say, "do what again.... lose???"

[chief]

....my ole heart strings are humming just thinking about the "Mullet Toss" championship at the FloraBama.
(for all y'all that don't know, it's south side LA)
(for all y'all that don't know, "all y'all" is the plural of y'all)Yeah, the good ole days at the Flora-Bama. 30 years ago, we'd close the place down and crash on the beach. Met my second wife that way. Can't do that anymore, it would offend the inhabitants of the condo towers on either side. Unfortunately the Flora-Bama is nothing more than a tourist trap these days, although the Mullet Toss was kinda subdued this year, only 30,000 people showed up.

[Jester2000]

It clearly says "No Swimming."



i would be willing to bet the majority of hikers that pass that pond on a hot summer day go swimming. . .

I would like to note that there are no signs that say that you can't dip you balls in it.

[The Old Fhart]

Jester2000-"I would like to note that there are no signs that say that you can't dip you balls in it."Next Trashgiving I'm going to keep a close eye on you around the punch bowl!:eek:

[Nearly Normal]

[quote=Mother's Finest;410825]Jack,
I also thank you for the advice to "read up" on our US history. :-?

Yes indeed. Only problem is, which book?
Seems history continues to change. Especially in school books.
PC you see.


Somewhere between the lines,
within a multitude of books,
on some same subject,
you might get a hint.

Nearly Normal

[WILLIAM HAYES]

Like we say in the south "Happiness is a North bound Yankee"

[Lone Wolf]

Like we say in the south "Happiness is a North bound Yankee"

...but keep sending slaves cuz we be too lazy to work

[BumpJumper]

Ok, I gotta come to the defense of Florida. So we have mebas...gaters...sceeters..and snakes...
I have lived here all my life. I have swam in the lakes of Central Florida all my life. I have dove in the nasty of nasty lakes, swam with the gators and snakes.. I have yet to be bitten by anything other than a sceeter...
Although my dog did get eaten by a 11 foot gator which is dead now...the gator and the doggie.
People that die from this stuff....do so cause they do stupid crap like...feed the gators, swim when the lake water is hotter than the air temp...or the classic one....
WHEN THE YANKS COME DOWN HERE CLOGGING UP OUR STREETS AT 8 AM IN THE MORNINGS....oh...
That is a different topic...:D

[Johnny Thunder]

Next Trashgiving I'm going to keep a close eye on you around the punch bowl!:eek:

Jester: Hey The Old Fhart, whatcha got?
TOF: A quiche
Jester: A quiche?
Everyone: I wanna dip my balls in it.

[The Old Fhart]

Although that may be all a quiche is good for, you'd never find me with a quiche!

[musicwoman]

Sunfish pond in Pa/NJ area?

[The Old Fhart]

Musicwoman-"Sunfish pond in Pa/NJ area?"About 4 miles north of I-80 at Delaware Water Gap on the A.T.

[musicwoman]

Thanks, I was going to say that there are NO cottonmouths anywhere near the Jersey/PA area, the northernmost part of their range is southern Va.

A northern watersnake will do a pretty good impression however, and their heads are somewhat triangular like that of a pit viper.

[Flush2wice]

Just saw this on the AP wire. It seems they have nasty critters out west too.
6 die from brain eating amoeba in lakes (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070928/ap_on_he_me/killer_amoeba_3;_ylt=AoWOdDtXG2WW95ODBViLg7QE1vAI)

[Proudfoot]

Man, the true depth of Hopeful's ignorance on so many things is astonishing.

And I know he has irrational fears about all sorts of things, too, but let me set his mind at ease on at least one of them:

Hopeful, Sunfish Pond, last time I checked, is in New Jersey.

There are NO, and I mean zip, none, zero water mocccasins in New Jersey. In fact, there are none within many hundreds of miles from New Jersey.

Calm yourself.


Not to mention the fact that the reason they call it "Sunfish Pond" is because the only fish that live in its acidic(sp?) waters are....Sunfish.

[sloopjonboswell]

im disappointed in the civil war crap on this thread. bigotry is available on a ton of sites elsewhere. go swimming when your sweaty, take a dip when you want. one backwoods philosophy comes to mind when it comes to swimming on the trail. "if a bear can do, so can i, &^%#ammit"

[ozt42]

hey, you, stay out of my foodbag...

[warraghiyagey]

the south will rise again! w t f does that mean anyway?:-?

Sounds like hopeful thinking for the impotent.





:p

[warraghiyagey]

I heard that the reason you got your little 'critters' and New England got the black flies is the south had first choice.:D

Runner-up prize??





:D

[warraghiyagey]

About 4 miles north of I-80 at Delaware Water Gap on the A.T.

Sweet, now I know another swimming spot on next years SOBO.:)

[dessertrat]

Back on topic: yesterday somewhere in Florida a guy was running from the police and ran into the water, wherein an alligator promptly chomped him to death. The alligator must have known he was a fugitive.

[Johnny Thunder]

Or the guy who shot an officer at 16th and Sansom...ran to the Walnut St bridge and jumped in...forgeting that he couldn't swim.

[AT-HITMAN2005]

Or the guy who shot an officer at 16th and Sansom...ran to the Walnut St bridge and jumped in...forgeting that he couldn't swim.

then they promptly killed the gator, for being a people killer.

i'm sure they could have trained him for K-9 or something.

except he was 9ft or so i heard so may not fit in the squad car.