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SGT Rock
10-10-2007, 20:20
I'm re-building a partially destroyed sign at my trail head this weekend. I am planning to put some information on it, but haven't finalized the plan. I now what I think needs to be on one and was wondering if anyone else had any thoughts or ideas. Don't get too far out there because I am going out to do it this Saturday and only have about a 3'x3' area to work with.

Appalachian Tater
10-10-2007, 20:24
1. What road is it if there's not a road sign within sight.
2. Which way is north on the trail and which way is south.
3. Which way is which town on the road. This is rare but very useful.
4. Distance to the next whatevers (shelter, trail, water, road) as normal.
5. Any special information regarding that section - no camping, don't drink the water because of cows, no open fires, etc.
6. If it's an area on the state line, it is nice to know what state you're in. That's not necessary, just for fun.
7. The name of the park, forest, etc.

Skidsteer
10-10-2007, 20:26
I'm re-building a partially destroyed sign at my trail head this weekend. I am planning to put some information on it, but haven't finalized the plan. I now what I think needs to be on one and was wondering if anyone else had any thoughts or ideas. Don't get too far out there because I am going out to do it this Saturday and only have about a 3'x3' area to work with.

Write-

TRAIL SIGN.

-On the front and all the useful info on the back just for Darwinian grins.

LostInSpace
10-10-2007, 20:28
By sign, I assume you mean just a true sign and not a trailhead kiosk. A 3'x3' is actually a pretty big area, so you may mean more than just a sign post. In any case, if it is to be just a sign, then I suggest keeping it simple: trail name, elevation, and jurisdiction at the point of the trailhead (NPS, FS, state park, etc.).

SGT Rock
10-10-2007, 20:31
1. What road is it if there's not a road sign within sight.
2. Which way is north on the trail and which way is south.
3. Which way is which town on the road. This is rare but very useful.
I am planning on putting a map of the area trails and road with a "YOU ARE HERE" thing. There is a store 1.7 miles away, a gift shop .5 miles away (with snacks and such) and a reesturaunt that is further up the trail but at the next road crossing RIGHT ON THE TRAIL. So would putting these on that map be something that is usefull?

4. Distance to the next whatevers (shelter, trail, water, road) as normal.
The only thing I can think of is the Lower Slickrock falls - I can put a dot on the map for that

5. Any special information regarding that section - no camping, don't drink the water because of cows, no open fires, etc.
Like Leave no trace - we had to take about 100 pounds of trash over the last year from this secion

6. If it's an area on the state line, it is nice to know what state you're in. That's not necessary, just for fun.
7. The name of the park, forest, etc.

LostInSpace
10-10-2007, 20:31
Write-

TRAIL SIGN.

-On the front and all the useful info on the back just for Darwinian grins.

Ninety percent of the hikers will never think to read the back of the sign. Perheps this would be a good hiker intelligence test! :D

SGT Rock
10-10-2007, 20:32
By sign, I assume you mean just a true sign and not a trailhead kiosk. A 3'x3' is actually a pretty big area, so you may mean more than just a sign post. In any case, if it is to be just a sign, then I suggest keeping it simple: trail name, elevation, and jurisdiction at the point of the trailhead (NPS, FS, state park, etc.).
Naw - it is a kiosk and not a regular old sign.

Skidsteer
10-10-2007, 20:34
Ninety percent of the hikers will never think to read the back of the sign. Perheps this would be a good hiker intelligence test! :D

It fairly screams for a motion-activated game tracking video-cam and a link on WB.

Kirby
10-10-2007, 20:35
Are we talking about the AT? If so, it might be cool, if you have room, how far to Katahdin and Springer.

If not, you should put the next water source, when I read signs it is nice to know when I will come across my next source, I always have my maps, but it is nice to see it on a sign.

Kirby

LostInSpace
10-10-2007, 20:36
Sgt. Rock, the info you suggest would be useful to some people. If you assume that the experience of the people reading the sign is pretty diverse, then having the kind of info you suggest would be helpful to widest possible audience.

SGT Rock
10-10-2007, 20:38
No- it is the BMT, and you are standing next to a lake when you read it.

Appalachian Tater
10-10-2007, 20:39
Kirby, signs on the A.T. are not always accurate. Especially signs in Pennsylvania that give information about water. Some are just wrong and sometimes the trail has changed since it was made. Sometimes I think they purposefully reduce the numbers for the distance a shelter is off the trail so people will visit it.

Tin Man
10-10-2007, 20:39
How about:

"Act Responsibly";
"Leave No Trace"; and, of course:
"NO SNIVELING"

Kirby
10-10-2007, 20:41
No- it is the BMT, and you are standing next to a lake when you read it.

That will do it for you.

Appalachian Tater: Kirby, signs on the A.T. are not always accurate. Especially signs in Pennsylvania that give information about water. Some are just wrong and sometimes the trail has changed since it was made. Sometimes I think they purposefully reduce the numbers for the distance a shelter is off the trail so people will visit it.

Yeah, I know, they still give me hope, the ones in the "wilderness" seemed to be off a few times.

Kirby

Lone Wolf
10-10-2007, 20:41
How about:

"Act Responsibly";
"Leave No Trace"; and, of course:
"NO SNIVELING"

hikers have no clue what those words mean

Appalachian Tater
10-10-2007, 20:41
I am planning on putting a map of the area trails and road with a "YOU ARE HERE" thing. There is a store 1.7 miles away, a gift shop .5 miles away (with snacks and such) and a reesturaunt that is further up the trail but at the next road crossing RIGHT ON THE TRAIL. So would putting these on that map be something that is usefull?
The only thing I can think of is the Lower Slickrock falls - I can put a dot on the map for that
Like Leave no trace - we had to take about 100 pounds of trash over the last year from this secion


Yes, all of those are good ideas. Really, you can't give too much information as long as it is presented in an easy-to-understand way.

I met some guys this summer that missed some ice cream because there is no sign at that crossing! They got really pissed when I told them.

SGT Rock
10-10-2007, 20:42
I have a no sniveling sticker and a WhiteBlaze one too that I could add

Skidsteer
10-10-2007, 20:43
Like Leave no trace - we had to take about 100 pounds of trash over the last year from this secion


Seems like' Leave No Trace/Pack It In, Pack It Out' should be the primary emphasis.

shelterbuilder
10-10-2007, 20:43
Kirby, signs on the A.T. are not always accurate. Especially signs in Pennsylvania that give information about water. Some are just wrong and sometimes the trail has changed since it was made. Sometimes I think they purposefully reduce the numbers for the distance a shelter is off the trail so people will visit it.

Now THAT'S just downright funny.

Kirby
10-10-2007, 20:44
You should add the WhiteBlaze one, free press and it is a hiker resource that many people may find useful.

Kirby

SGT Rock
10-10-2007, 20:45
How about the maintainer's e-mail to report problems?

Tin Man
10-10-2007, 20:47
hikers have no clue what those words mean

Yes, but maybe it will make them stop and think. Oh never mind, hikers don't think, they just drink and stink. ;)

Tin Man
10-10-2007, 20:48
How about the maintainer's e-mail to report problems?

Sounds good, but will hikers report themselves? ;)

Kirby
10-10-2007, 20:51
How about the maintainer's e-mail to report problems?

That's a good idea, I know I would report trail problems if I had a specific person to give them to, and not just an organization that may or may not fix the problem.

Kirby

Appalachian Tater
10-10-2007, 20:52
How about the maintainer's e-mail to report problems?

Or whatever method the trail club uses. The NYNJTC has a special online form to submit:
http://www.nynjtc.org/trails/trailprob.html
if you're making the sign, you probably already know the preference.

Hey, emergency numbers are important, too, especially in a non-911 jurisdiction.

Lone Wolf
10-10-2007, 20:53
That's a good idea, I know I would report trail problems if I had a specific person to give them to, and not just an organization that may or may not fix the problem.

Kirby

not a good idea. hikers are the biggest whiners, bitchers and complainers, snivelers. his phone would ring off the hook

Kirby
10-10-2007, 20:56
not a good idea. hikers are the biggest whiners, bitchers and complainers, snivelers. his phone would ring off the hook

That's why he would put his email address, maybe a specific one for that board since it is open to the public, no way should Rock give away his phone number on that type of board.

Kirby

warraghiyagey
10-10-2007, 20:57
What about just a notepad/Register instead of sicking every whiner on some poor dudu's e-mail or phone?

LostInSpace
10-10-2007, 20:59
It fairly screams for a motion-activated game tracking video-cam and a link on WB.

Yeah! A solar-powered, motion-sensor, Wi-Fi Web cam. Now, which is more fun ... watching or hiking? :eek:

SGT Rock
10-10-2007, 21:01
Maybe I should rig up one of those motion cameras like they have for hunters. Whenever I go out there I could check the pictures - it might be a hoot.

shelterbuilder
10-10-2007, 21:01
Yeah! A solar-powered, motion-sensor, Wi-Fi Web cam. Now, which is more fun ... watching or hiking? :eek:

Do you realize how close you are to creating a "pack-sniffing trailhead sign"?:eek:

Tin Man
10-10-2007, 21:02
not a good idea. hikers are the biggest whiners, bitchers and complainers, snivelers. his phone would ring off the hook

Yup, I was one of them in my early daze. Now I silently acknowledge and greatly appreciate the hard work maintainers do. Last weekend was a case in point when we saw evidence that someone actually chopped through some large blow-downs on the south side of Kinsman instead of using the more typical chainsaw method. When my kids are grown and I am doing less rat racing around, I plan to be a maintainer myself.

warraghiyagey
10-10-2007, 21:05
Yup, I was one of them in my early daze. Now I silently acknowledge and greatly appreciate the hard work maintainers do. Last weekend was a case in point when we saw evidence that someone actually chopped through some large blow-downs on the south side of Kinsman instead of using the more typical chainsaw method. When my kids are grown and I am doing less rat racing around, I plan to be a maintainer myself.

I'm sure that other folks here are more informed but I believe the option between axe and chainsaw has to do with what section of the trail you're talking about and local rules.

warraghiyagey
10-10-2007, 21:07
I know ATTroll has done some great 'blowdown' chopping up in Maine and I was one of the lucky recipients of a clear path this June.:)

dixicritter
10-10-2007, 21:07
Do you realize how close you are to creating a "pack-sniffing trailhead sign"?:eek:

You just made me laugh out on that post. I'm getting some really funny images in my head with all this talk about adding a camera to the sign. :D

Appalachian Tater
10-10-2007, 21:08
I am always very reluctant to criticize trail maintenance no matter how bad it is, because it is hard work, and it is volunteer labor. And I always thank anybody doing any trail maintenance. Unfortunately, some of them indicated that hikers rarely thank them. I found that shocking.

Skidsteer
10-10-2007, 21:11
How about the maintainer's e-mail to report problems?

Your call. I think it would be a useful experiment to find out how many goofy messages and false alarms you'd have to put up with. I'd certainly like to hear how it worked out if you do it.

Tin Man
10-10-2007, 21:11
I'm sure that other folks here are more informed but I believe the option between axe and chainsaw has to do with what section of the trail you're talking about and local rules.

I saw (oops, pun) signs of this activity in the Whites south of South Kinsman. (Do two souths make a north, I wonder?) At any rate, is it a noise or greenhouse gas issue?

SGT Rock
10-10-2007, 21:12
I'm sure that other folks here are more informed but I believe the option between axe and chainsaw has to do with what section of the trail you're talking about and local rules.
Yes that is a problem. Half of my section is cleared for power tools and half is not. So chopping and sawing are my options there, and that also seems to be the worst section for blowdows - go figure.

Now add to that I have to get sawyer certified to use my chainsaw on the part I can use it on. And since I haven't done that yet I am stuck with an axe and hand saw there too. Ain't that a barrel of monkeys?

shelterbuilder
10-10-2007, 21:13
I am always very reluctant to criticize trail maintenance no matter how bad it is, because it is hard work, and it is volunteer labor. And I always thank anybody doing any trail maintenance. Unfortunately, some of them indicated that hikers rarely thank them. I found that shocking.

I don't know how it is elsewhere, but in Pa., there are a lot more hikers stopping to say "thanks" now than, say, 5 years ago. I just wish that there were a lot more of them offering to join up and help.

Tin Man
10-10-2007, 21:14
Yeah! A solar-powered, motion-sensor, Wi-Fi Web cam. Now, which is more fun ... watching or hiking? :eek:

Not a good idea. People like Butt-Blaze or GatorRump or whatever his name was would prance around and WB would become a porno site.

shelterbuilder
10-10-2007, 21:18
I saw (oops, pun) signs of this activity in the Whites south of South Kinsman. (Do two souths make a north, I wonder?) At any rate, is it a noise or greenhouse gas issue?

This usually has to do with management regulations for wilderness - it's more tied to noise than greenhouse gasses.

SGT Rock
10-10-2007, 21:19
FWIW if you want to see a cam of my section it is already there: http://www.fsvisimages.com/joki1/joki1.html

warraghiyagey
10-10-2007, 21:21
FWIW if you want to see a cam of my section it is already there: http://www.fsvisimages.com/joki1/joki1.html

Is that near Current Image unavailable Shelter?:D

SGT Rock
10-10-2007, 21:22
Well it isn't a shelter - I burned it. Now it is a tent site.

warraghiyagey
10-10-2007, 21:24
Yes that is a problem. Half of my section is cleared for power tools and half is not. So chopping and sawing are my options there, and that also seems to be the worst section for blowdows - go figure.

Now add to that I have to get sawyer certified to use my chainsaw on the part I can use it on. And since I haven't done that yet I am stuck with an axe and hand saw there too. Ain't that a barrel of monkeys?

Well, I got into the whole chainsaw Cert. thing with a little angst about the new regs. in Maine. But I'd be happy as hell to take to the woods with handsaws and axes if you knew in advance when you were going in.

warraghiyagey
10-10-2007, 21:25
Well it isn't a shelter - I burned it. Now it is a tent site.

A stealth site??:D

SGT Rock
10-10-2007, 21:26
I am getting lined up for crosscut cert this month and trying to get chainsaw soon.

Appalachian Tater
10-10-2007, 21:26
Well it isn't a shelter - I burned it. Now it is a tent site.

That should make L. Wolf happy!

SGT Rock
10-10-2007, 21:26
A stealth site??:D
Yes I already have one. But I ain't telling you about it - only Tipi Walter and HOI know where it is.

ed bell
10-10-2007, 21:28
Including a Joyce Kilmer/Slickrock Wilderness Regulations notice would be good.

LostInSpace
10-10-2007, 21:28
FWIW if you want to see a cam of my section it is already there: http://www.fsvisimages.com/joki1/joki1.html

Well, it does verify that it gets dark between 07:00 PM and 08:00 PM and get light between 05:00 AM and 6:00 AM.

rickb
10-10-2007, 21:32
Be sure to have a poster about hanging food because of "recent" bear activity. It willl give the casual hiker a sense of adventure and wilderness. Actual bears are not required.

ed bell
10-10-2007, 21:36
Be sure to have a poster about hanging food because of "recent" bear activity. It willl give the casual hiker a sense of adventure and wilderness. Actual bears are not required.Actually this is a fairly remote section and there are plenty of bears. I saw more scat in the middle of the trail in three miles than I can remember ever seeing. I say scare the hell out of 'em Rock.:cool:

SGT Rock
10-10-2007, 21:47
How about:

NOTICE: There has been a heck of a lot of recent bear activity in this section. 10 hikers have been killed this year so far. Carrying trash discourages bears - so please be sure, for your own safety, to pick up and carry any trash you find. Your life depends on it!

Skidsteer
10-10-2007, 21:52
How about:



Originally Posted by trail sign
NOTICE: There has been a heck of a lot of recent bear activity in this section. 10 hikers have been killed this year so far. Carrying trash discourages bears - so please be sure, for your own safety, to pick up and carry any trash you find. Your life depends on it!

__________________

Yet another reason for a game tracker video cam (http://www.texasoutdoorsman.com/Staff-Articles/TygeFloyd/Trophy-Tracker-the%2024-7-Scouting-Tool.htm).

Tennessee Viking
10-10-2007, 23:48
Is this going on wood or plaque.

Just keep it simple. Trail name with possible graphic (AT or BMT). Need 3-5 locations with mileages. Trailhead location name, if its part of the AT or BMT). Name of maintainer group, if you have room. If there is room, the elevation.

Sketch out a full size template before making a mark though.

Appalachian Tater
10-11-2007, 00:15
Oooooh, the elevation, that's good, too.

generoll
10-11-2007, 04:48
FWIW, I sent an email to the BMT folks about a missing trail sign along Big Frog recently. They responded promptly and courteously, mentioning the difficulty keep signs bear proof and inviting me to lend a hand on their next trail work bee. I think I got the email addy from their webpage and doubt that I would have bothered to write it down had I seen a phone number or email addy on the (missing) sign. Some of the signs in the Smokies are just vertical metal strips which are flexible and have the name or number of the trail and seem to survive pretty well. No matter how much info you put on the sign it will be too little or wrong or too confusing. Less is more in my opinion.

SGT Rock
10-11-2007, 05:38
Here is what I am working on:

Top of the board:

Benton MacKaye Trail

Center of the board:

Map of the trail with mileage to key points like trail intersections and the Lower Falls - as well as locations and mileage to service providers in this area

Bottom of the board:


If you pack it in - Pack it out!

Last year trail maintainers in this area hauled over 100 pounds of trash from campsites along the trail.
If you are strong enough to carry it in, you should be strong enough to carry it back out.
Please take your trash with you when you leave and do your part to help keep this area beautiful for everyone to enjoy.
This part is still not set, but I plan to include an e-mail address for maintainer @ hikinghq . net

Two Speed
10-11-2007, 05:59
If you are strong enough to carry it in, you should be strong enough to carry it back out.Just hit me on one of my sore spots. If you're enough of a hero stud muffin to carry in a twelve pack of beer surely you're enough of a hero stud muffin to carry the empties out.

I think that sentence ought to appear on every trail head kiosk.

SGT Rock
10-11-2007, 06:04
I agree- Lets see - 12 pack x 12 ounces = 144 ounces + can weight so about 168 ounces, or 10.5 pounds going in.

Coming out - 12 ounces. You save 9.75 pounds on the take out.

Two Speed
10-11-2007, 06:11
OH NO! Beer math!

SGT Rock
10-11-2007, 06:21
I know. And I am not drinking, so those numbers are probably all wrong.

I have thought about the other section I was contemplating:



Joyce Kilmer/Slickrock Wilderness of the Nantahala National Forest

Back Country Rules:

Maximum group size is 10 people
Maximum length of stay is 14 days
No permits required
Proper food storage required
Leave No Trace methods required - pack it in/pack it out!Please limit your impact by catholing human waste and avoid cutting live trees.

For trail maintenance issues please contact us at maintainer @ hikinghq . net

This section is maintained by SGT Rock and the Easy Company trail maintenance crew.

dixicritter
10-11-2007, 06:51
Just hit me on one of my sore spots. If you're enough of a hero stud muffin to carry in a twelve pack of beer surely you're enough of a hero stud muffin to carry the empties out.

I think that sentence ought to appear on every trail head kiosk.

Thank ya. I thought it was a good line too. ;) :D

Tin Man
10-11-2007, 06:53
Rock, Looks good. Would it be helpful to add something to the effect:

"This trail is maintained by volunteers for your enjoyment. Please be safe, enjoy your hike and leave no trace so that others may enjoy the experience for years to come."

mudhead
10-11-2007, 07:18
GPS numbers.

Elevation.

Due North icon.

SGT Rock
10-14-2007, 12:43
Here is what we did:

What it looked like when we started:
http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=19226&catid=member&imageuser=511

Mid way through the project:
http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=19230&catid=member&imageuser=511

The finished product:
http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=19235&catid=member&imageuser=511

And a cloe up of what we went with on the board:
http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=19233&catid=member&imageuser=511

Thanks for the suggestions.

Sly
10-14-2007, 13:17
It looks dangerous getting up there in mid construction. ;)

Frolicking Dinosaurs
10-14-2007, 13:22
Looks great, Rock. Sorry He-Dino and I weren't able to help this time. Let me know when you plan the next trip.

Skidsteer
10-14-2007, 13:44
The 'No Sniveling' is a nice touch.

Kirby
10-14-2007, 13:54
I can not access the photos, do you need to be part of a certain membership forum to view them?

Kirby

SGT Rock
10-14-2007, 14:16
Join the long trails membership group.

ed bell
10-14-2007, 15:16
Nice work SGT. and crew. I like it a lot. Can't wait to hike there for pleasure and remember my first maintanance trip. As for dangerous, it doesn't compare to that slick tarzan move you pulled off getting that stubborn vine to let go. I still lament the fact that we have no picture to prove it.:D

dixicritter
10-14-2007, 15:23
Nice work SGT. and crew. I like it a lot. Can't wait to hike there for pleasure and remember my first maintanance trip. As for dangerous, it doesn't compare to that slick tarzan move you pulled off getting that stubborn vine to let go. I still lament the fact that we have no picture to prove it.:D

Did he use the phrase "brute force and ignorance" at the time? It's one of his favorites on trail maintenance. :D

SGT Rock
10-14-2007, 15:36
Nice work SGT. and crew. I like it a lot. Can't wait to hike there for pleasure and remember my first maintanance trip. As for dangerous, it doesn't compare to that slick tarzan move you pulled off getting that stubborn vine to let go. I still lament the fact that we have no picture to prove it.:D

Well that just encourages people to come watch the show. You hear about SGT Rock being nuts, but to actually get to show up and watch - maybe even participate!


Did he use the phrase "brute force and ignorance" at the time? It's one of his favorites on trail maintenance. :D

Yes I did.

dixicritter
10-14-2007, 15:42
Did he use the phrase "brute force and ignorance" at the time? It's one of his favorites on trail maintenance. :D


Yes I did.

I figgered. :sun

jlb2012
10-14-2007, 16:09
it looks great - well done

SGT Rock
10-14-2007, 16:37
Just think: in about 4 months I will be walking past that sign on my thru-hike. It is a good feeling to know it will be like walking home.

peanuts
10-14-2007, 16:40
yes, well done!!

Kirby
10-14-2007, 16:43
Just think: in about 4 months I will be walking past that sign on my thru-hike. It is a good feeling to know it will be like walking home.

Does the AT share a coordior with the BMT?

Kirby

Sly
10-14-2007, 16:56
Does the AT share a coordior with the BMT?

Kirby

Only briefly in the beginning. Here's a map of the two

SGT Rock
10-14-2007, 17:01
Basically yes Kirby. I assume you know that Benton MacKaye is the guy that came up with the concept of the AT in 1928. His original proposal was a trail that had a series of feeder trails for the main AT. The Benton MacKaye Trail was started in 1979 as a way to expand the AT system to start including these trails.

So, the BMT starts on Springer Mountain about 0.2 miles up the AT near the turn off for Springer Mountain Shelter. You will see it on your thru next spring. After it starts, it cross the AT about 3 times in the first 6 miles of the AT, even sharing the trail for about a mile or so from Three Forks to Long Creek Falls. Then it leaves the AT and follows a ridge series to the west of the AT for about 190 miles until it crosses the AT again in the Smoky Mountains near Shuckstack. Then it follows the Eastern side of the Smoky Mountains about 90 more miles until it joins up again at Davenport Gap. You can find out more about the BMT at www.bmta.org (http://www.bmta.org)

That said: on your thru-hike, if at all possible given your group and it's itenerary, I reccomend you stay at Long Creek Falls instead of staying at a shelter on that first night. The falls have multiple good campsites and it is a lot more interesting than staying at any rat infested shelter.

Ewker
10-14-2007, 18:23
the trail head sign looks great, you and your family did a great job :banana

ed bell
10-14-2007, 18:43
I'll take this opportunity to encourage SGT.Rock with his BMT/AT hike. Great idea, and I'm sure that you will appreciate the satisfaction of walking though the section you maintain while walking so close to home. Good luck to you, and I hope I can meet up with you at some point.:sun

Nightwalker
10-14-2007, 23:08
not a good idea. hikers are the biggest whiners, bitchers and complainers, snivelers. his phone would ring off the hook

When did you quit taking your meds? You see too many scary hiker ghosts! :)

Nightwalker
10-14-2007, 23:10
Yup, I was one of them in my early daze. Now I silently acknowledge and greatly appreciate the hard work maintainers do. Last weekend was a case in point when we saw evidence that someone actually chopped through some large blow-downs on the south side of Kinsman instead of using the more typical chainsaw method. When my kids are grown and I am doing less rat racing around, I plan to be a maintainer myself.

We sawed and chopped on Rock's section. T'was hard, and I can't wait to go back!

Nightwalker
10-14-2007, 23:20
Actually this is a fairly remote section and there are plenty of bears. I saw more scat in the middle of the trail in three miles than I can remember ever seeing. I say scare the hell out of 'em Rock.:cool:

Yup Lots o scat and scratchings. The kids loved it!:banana

Just a Hiker
10-14-2007, 23:22
removed post

whitefoot_hp
10-15-2007, 14:22
I agree- Lets see - 12 pack x 12 ounces = 144 ounces + can weight so about 168 ounces, or 10.5 pounds going in.

Coming out - 12 ounces. You save 9.75 pounds on the take out.

you have to factor in the hangover... especially if cheap beer.

Dirtygaiters
10-17-2007, 19:20
How about:

"Act Responsibly";
"Leave No Trace"; and, of course:
"NO SNIVELING"


The first two are good but the third one is downright offensive.

soulrebel
10-17-2007, 19:29
Home ---> (always points to the Southland)
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Appalachian Tater
10-18-2007, 20:26
It looks good and I like the "No Sniveling!"

Thank you for doing trail maintenance.

SGT Rock
10-18-2007, 20:28
I probably violated some USFS guidelines for trail signs.

Dirtygaiters
10-19-2007, 01:00
Oops I guess I didn't realize you actually put "no sniveling" on your sign when I posted that. Reading back through the thread, it looks like most folks here like to be told not to snivel. SGT Rock, I think you made an effective sign, I especially like the fact that you devoted a separate section to No Trace. That's awesome. But count me in the boat of people who don't "get" why it's so great to be told not to snivel. Maybe if I hiked in groups more, I'd get it, I don't know. I can imagine that if I brought along a friend who went on the trip not for the right reasons and got sick of hiking midway though, but I was unsympathetic to him or her...I'm grasping here.... All I know is that I'm not particularly fond of being told how to act, via signage or otherwise. But maybe the no sniveling thing is a sort of inside joke with a lot of AT hikers? I dunno...:-?

Appalachian Tater
10-19-2007, 01:02
Approximately a third of the almost 1,000 times that the phrase "no sniveling" has been catalogued by Google, the word "rock" appears on the same page. I think it was more like his signature on the sign than an inside hiker joke.

Dirtygaiters
10-19-2007, 01:09
ah HA! ..that makes sense then. Ok, now I think I get it. Silly of me...

SGT Rock
10-19-2007, 06:15
It also covers some grafiti since I didn't have any paint with me. Better to see No Sniveling than **** You

ed bell
10-19-2007, 08:48
Who likes to hear complaining, anyway?:sun Could be a fun event at a hiker gathering though. Think of it, Rock, we could hold a snivel-off at the SORUCK for fun.:D

Appalachian Tater
10-19-2007, 20:42
SGT Rock, "NO SNIVELING!" would be a great slogan for a line of outdoors clothing and gear. You should trademark it if it hasn't been already for that purpose. Sure beats "Life is Good" clothing.

This is interesting:
http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:6qs2Ph5a4F8J:nosniveling.com/+www.nosniveling.com&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

dixicritter
10-19-2007, 20:47
Hey Tater, ever hear of the Jacks 'R Better No Sniveler... Guess where it got it's name? ;)

Yahtzee
10-19-2007, 20:50
I attached a photo of a sign I encountered a few weeks back around Ten Mile River.

SGT Rock
10-19-2007, 20:59
SGT Rock, "NO SNIVELING!" would be a great slogan for a line of outdoors clothing and gear. You should trademark it if it hasn't been already for that purpose. Sure beats "Life is Good" clothing.

This is interesting:
http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:6qs2Ph5a4F8J:nosniveling.com/+www.nosniveling.com&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
I thought about that. In the Army we have a term for you clothing that keeps you warm and dry in the field: Snivel Gear. I thought that would be the perfect name for outdoor clothing, with a slogan or philosophy "No Sniveling!" to go with it. Imagine an add with a guy walking across a bald in the driving rain with his pack on and a grim look on his eyes looking towards the horizon... The caption underneath says:


NO SNIVELING!



I attached a photo of a sign I encountered a few weeks back around Ten Mile River.
That would be a cool sign to add, but I don't think it should go at that spot.

Appalachian Tater
10-19-2007, 21:02
I attached a photo of a sign I encountered a few weeks back around Ten Mile River.

Obviously it was a joke because the Winged Monkeys didn't get you.

Appalachian Tater
10-19-2007, 21:04
I thought about that. In the Army we have a term for you clothing that keeps you warm and dry in the field: Snivel Gear. I thought that would be the perfect name for outdoor clothing, with a slogan or philosophy "No Sniveling!" to go with it. Imagine an add with a guy walking across a bald in the driving rain with his pack on and a grim look on his eyes looking towards the horizon... The caption underneath says:


NO SNIVELING!



That would be a cool sign to add, but I don't think it should go at that spot.

Two words: Cafe Press. That way you could trademark it as a clothing slogan if it hasn't already been trademarked.

Trillium
10-20-2007, 00:59
I attached a photo of a sign I encountered a few weeks back around Ten Mile River.
so you're saying you were in Oz?:confused:

ed bell
10-20-2007, 01:08
That would be a cool sign to add, but I don't think it should go at that spot.
Right on, the sign on your trailhead ought to read "I wouldn't turn back if I were you":sun

Ghosthiker
10-20-2007, 06:44
What about section ratings? Easy - Moderate - Strenous...

SGT Rock
10-20-2007, 07:51
Right on, the sign on your trailhead ought to read "I wouldn't turn back if I were you":sun
Exactly. Or: Come on in and stay a while.


What about section ratings? Easy - Moderate - Strenous...
Easy.