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cowboy nichols
10-31-2007, 18:38
Is the A T going to be extended south ?:confused:
wrongway_08
10-31-2007, 18:39
never heard that, did hear something about it heading further North. Could all be hopefull rumors :)
I sincerely doubt it. Connecting trails like the Benton MacKaye and the Pinhoti allow for the hiker to continue a journey south, but that's not on the AT.
cowboy nichols
10-31-2007, 18:43
I saw this on Trail Journals .
Send me a PM if you have any questions Cowboy. I'm pretty dialed in with the connecting trails and what the plans are for them.
There is the IAT (http://www.internationalat.org/Pages/index).
Not sure if this is relevant... but this connection that Mowgli spoke of is getting a big celebration this spring...
http://hikealabama.org/pinhoti.htm
Ghosthiker
10-31-2007, 19:13
I sincerely doubt it. Connecting trails like the Benton MacKaye and the Pinhoti allow for the hiker to continue a journey south, but that's not on the AT. Actually, only the Pinhoti allows you to continue further south. The BMT starts .2 miles down the AT from Springer,. I did read somewhere that some people were talking ablout a long trail up through Florida and south Georgia that would connect to the At, but that's not extending the AT.
the Pinhoti connects with the BMT, therefore (eventuall) Springer...
And as an alternative, theres always the GET...
http://www.greateasterntrail.org/maps.html
SGT Rock
10-31-2007, 19:59
Sure, you can get on the Alabama Pinhoti south of Talledega, hike it to the GA Pinhoti at the border, then take that to the BMT and hike it south to Springer Mountain and hit the AT, or take it north and hit the AT at Laurel Gap or Davenport Gap.
Appalachian Tater
10-31-2007, 21:50
There is a "continuous" footpath from Key West, Florida to Belle Isle, Newfoundland & Labrador. The Appalachian Trail is the central and oldest portion of this trail.
Lone Wolf
10-31-2007, 21:55
There is a "continuous" footpath from Key West, Florida to Belle Isle, Newfoundland & Labrador. The Appalachian Trail is the central and oldest portion of this trail.
BS, boy. from key west to the florida trail is over 100 miles of PAVEMENT.:rolleyes:
WalkinHome
10-31-2007, 22:06
Not gonna happen
Actually, only the Pinhoti allows you to continue further south. The BMT starts .2 miles down the AT from Springer,. I did read somewhere that some people were talking ablout a long trail up through Florida and south Georgia that would connect to the At, but that's not extending the AT.
To reach the Pinhoti from the AT, you take the BMT. They connect near the Jacks River in the Cohuttas. I had a great bear encounter about 200 yards from the junction of these two trails.
SGT Rock
10-31-2007, 22:12
Yes, but it is nice to see people get their panties in a bunch over there being more trail.
There is a "continuous" footpath from Key West, Florida to Belle Isle, Newfoundland & Labrador. The Appalachian Trail is the central and oldest portion of this trail.
Not yet. Unless you consider roads a "footpath." But as my Jewish friends would say, "from your mouth to God's ears."
Rift Zone
11-01-2007, 02:06
BS, boy. from key west to the florida trail is over 100 miles of PAVEMENT.:rolleyes:The Florida Trail its self is more than 100 of road walk as I understand it... The connection between them is more than 450 miles of roads.
Rift Zone
11-01-2007, 12:14
The connection between them is more than 450 miles of roads.-Being the connection between the Florida Trail and the AT (Pinhoti and Benton Mckay links).
The FT (eventually) will link with the GET which joins the Pinhoti... right now, the route is there, but like in the Keys, its lots of roadwalk... but its blazed!!!
-Being the connection between the Florida Trail and the AT (Pinhoti and Benton Mckay links).
There is approximately 275 miles of road walking between the AT and the Florida Trail. 225 miles or so between the Florida/Alabama border and the southern terminus of the PPinhoti Trail, and two internal gaps in the Pinhoti Trail in Georgia, each totaling about 20-25 miles.
dessertrat
11-01-2007, 13:00
This is just to scare the thru-hikers for Halloween. They are all thinking that the "new AT" will strip them of their thru-hiker creds.
warraghiyagey
11-01-2007, 13:04
This is just to scare the thru-hikers for Halloween. They are all thinking that the "new AT" will strip them of their thru-hiker creds.
They're extending the AT so as put the southern terminus in Michael Vicks back yard.
Rift Zone
11-01-2007, 14:41
There is approximately 275 miles of road walking between the AT and the Florida Trail. 225 miles or so between the Florida/Alabama border and the southern terminus of the PPinhoti Trail, and two internal gaps in the Pinhoti Trail in Georgia, each totaling about 20-25 miles.Cool! The lesser the better.
superman
11-01-2007, 14:45
They're extending the AT so as put the southern terminus in Michael Vicks back yard.
LOL, and that would resolve the trail dog issue. He's got a way with dogs.
paradoxb3
11-01-2007, 15:41
The Georgia Pinhoti, at least the sections i've seen, is not exactly nature and seclusion at its finest either. I've hiked sections 11 and 12 recently, and we lost the trail halfway thru sect. 11, as it was not very heavily traveled or maintained. Pilchers Pond was also a mere puddle about a month ago. Section 12 from Snake Creek Gap to Dug Gap are very well maintained and blazed, as its heavily used for mountain biking and horseback. After that you're looking at a nice 20-25 miles of blacktop thru Dalton and Chatsworth to Fort Mountain. I've walked 2/3rds of that, only because I live along the way and thought it'd be fun to just walk all the way home from a hike.
You might call something like that the East Coast Trail, but it would be a stretch to call anything in Florida part of an Appalachian Trail.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AppalachianLocatorMap2.png
The Appalachian Trail has a southern terminus - Springer, and a northern terminus - Katahdin. That's not changing,
What is changing is that many of the connecting trails that link to the AT are getting longer. That's a good thing IMO.
Appalachian Tater
11-01-2007, 17:35
You might call something like that the East Coast Trail, but it would be a stretch to call anything in Florida part of an Appalachian Trail.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AppalachianLocatorMap2.png
But the Appalachian range does extend from Alabama to Newfoundland & Labrador. The Appalachian Trail should encompass all of that and have the simple name "Appalachian Trail". The mountain range certainly doesn't know or care that it's crossing the border between Canada and the U.S. and the trail shouldn't either.
The Appalachian Trail has a southern terminus - Springer, and a northern terminus - Katahdin. That's not changing.
It has in the past and I believe it should and will in the future. It will be a shame to give up Katahdin as a terminus because it truly is an amazing place.
SGT Rock
11-01-2007, 20:46
So since we are talking about the extent of the Appalachians..
Quick trivia question - where did the Appalachian Mountains get their name? And how does that fact bear on Florida?
And IMO, the Appalachian Trail doesn't just have to be in mountains to be a trail.
From Cabeze de Vaca and the Apalachee Indians...
SGT Rock
11-01-2007, 21:43
You got part A. How about the tie in to Florida for those that don't know.
And IMO, the Appalachian Trail doesn't just have to be in mountains to be a trail.
I can't seem to find it... maybe lost it... but I recall a mission statement on the back of my ATC membership card from way back when -- and it specifically said something like, "to the extent possible, the trail will follow the height of land."
I mean, I used to grumble about it, and wondered why the AT always followed the ridges -- until I finally read that mission statement on the back of the card.
warraghiyagey
11-02-2007, 04:07
[quote=SGT Rock;440407]. . . Quick trivia question - where did the Appalachian Mountains get their name? And how does that fact bear on Florida?
. . . quote]
The term Appalachia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachia) refers to several different regions associated with the mountain range. Most broadly, it refers to the entire mountain range with its surrounding hills and the dissected plateau region. However, the term is often used more restrictively to refer to regions in the central and southern Appalachian Mountains, usually including areas in the states of Kentucky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky), Tennessee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee), Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia), West Virginia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia), and North Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina), and sometimes extending as far south as northern Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_%28U.S._state%29) and western South Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Carolina), as far north as Pennsylvania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania), and as far west as southern Ohio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio).
The Ouachita Mountains (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouachita_Mountains) in Arkansas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkansas) and Oklahoma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma) were originally part of the Appalachians as well, but were disconnected through geologic history.
While exploring the northern coast of Florida in 1528, the members of the Narváez expedition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narv%C3%A1ez_expedition), including Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81lvar_N%C3%BA%C3%B1ez_Cabeza_de_Vaca), found a Native American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States) town which they transliterated as Apalachen [a.paˈla.tʃɛn]. This name and its pronunciation were applied to the Apalachee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apalachee) Indians, as well as a nearby body of water, now spelled Apalachee Bay, to the Apalachicola River (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apalachicola_River), Apalachicola Bay, and the Apalachicola (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apalachicola_%28tribe%29) Indians, and to the city known as Apalachicola, Florida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apalachicola%2C_Florida).
I think.
minnesotasmith
11-02-2007, 07:12
I can't seem to find it... maybe lost it... but I recall a mission statement on the back of my ATC membership card from way back when -- and it specifically said something like, "to the extent possible, the trail will follow the height of land."
I mean, I used to grumble about it, and wondered why the AT always followed the ridges -- until I finally read that mission statement on the back of the card.
But, from northern Virginia to Vermont, the AT is IMO undesirably yanked east from where it should run. Wonder why it's often so hot on the AT in MD/PA, or why water is so hard to come by in NJ/NY? It's BC the AT shouldn't even be in NJ/CT/MA, or nearly so far east (down out of the hills, where the water is easier to come by and it's cooler) in NY. Take a look at the elevation #s in your guidebook, or better yet, look at the diorama in the ATC office in Harpers Ferry if you ever get over there. The AT should IMO head up from the Shenandoah through Winchester, and towards the Adirondacks of NE NY state. This could still take the AT through the interesting part of PA, while bypassing the eastern 40% of the state that is mainly low-lying, footwear/ankle-destroying glacial excretions that noone would regret not trudging through. Then, it'd head east through central VT, and over toward Hanover as currently.
But, from northern Virginia to Vermont, the AT is IMO undesirably yanked east from where it should run. Wonder why it's often so hot on the AT in MD/PA, or why water is so hard to come by in NJ/NY? It's BC the AT shouldn't even be in NJ/CT/MA, or nearly so far east The AT should IMO head up from the Shenandoah through Winchester, and towards the Adirondacks of NE NY state.
You mean you want a trail to run kind of like the north end of this:
http://www.greateasterntrail.org/maps.html
Of course that also runs away from the metros with the people to help out, the GET could use more volunteers as can the NCT.
MS, I love the DAks, but I understand they're geologically quite separate and different from the Appalachians (and the Catskills.)
Water is "hard to come by" in the regions you mention because thru-hikers pass thru those regions late in the summer. By contrast, consider "typical" weather for thru-hikers in the Smokies (rain and fog.)
Also, water tends to be "hard to come by" the higher up you go. Rivers flow in valleys, as any child can tell you.
In fact, the route of the AT was totally opportunistic and pragmatic. It goes where it does (particularly in New England) because that's where the existing networks of trails were (particularly the Long Trail.) Also, it was MacKaye's stated goal that the trail be accessible to the city dwellers of the east-coast sprawl. Moving it west as you describe would not have served that purpose.
minnesotasmith
11-02-2007, 07:36
You mean you want a trail to run kind of like the north end of this:
http://www.greateasterntrail.org/maps.html
Of course that also runs away from the metros with the people to help out, the GET could use more volunteers as can the NCT.
I would so love to thruhike that puppy. The whole trail up north, where it never gets hot like the South? Northern Minnesota, Lake Superior... Mmm. Unfortunately, it's more a concept than a trail at this point. It starts (in the west) with what, over 500 miles of roadwalks?? Well, maybe in 20 years, it'll be something. Oh, and it should get 2/3 of its route in Ohio cut out; W T F is it doing near the Ohio River and Kentucky?
I figure that after the CDT is finally complete, and people get the word on the heat over half the AT gets hit with for months that the NCT does not, it'll get more interest.
SGT Rock
11-02-2007, 07:40
So the term Appalachian can be more encompassing than the narrow area it is defined as by some. As to the height of the land - it can fallow the height of the land in Florida - it just won't be all that high.
I sort of like Earl Shaffer's idea of parallel tracks for the Appalachian Trail:
I wished that the Trail really was endless, that no one could ever hike its length. Perhaps in the future it [the Appalachian Trail] would be extended in a giant loop by the way of the Alleghenies, to make it truely an endless trail more than twice as long.
Shaffer (1948) "Walking With Spring" page 151.
minnesotasmith
11-02-2007, 07:41
You mean you want a trail to run kind of like the north end of this:
http://www.greateasterntrail.org/maps.html (http://www.greateasterntrail.org/maps.html)
That would be MUCH better IMO.
As far as the objection to the AT no longer running by the metro areas: who said anything about shutting down the segments of trail that run through NJ/CT/MA now? They can keep those trails, hike them all they want, and add to them as they wish; they just won't be part of the AT, as they never should have been.
They can keep those trails, hike them all they want, and add to them as they wish; they just won't be part of the AT, as they never should have been.
You're utterly FOS. But fortunately, you were not consulted on this matter.
minnesotasmith
11-02-2007, 07:49
Water is "hard to come by" in the regions you mention because thru-hikers pass thru those regions late in the summer. By contrast, consider "typical" weather for thru-hikers in the Smokies (rain and fog.)
Also, water tends to be "hard to come by" the higher up you go. Rivers flow in valleys, as any child can tell you.
You'e forgetting that hikers aren't going to be up on ridge crests every foot of the way. There are saddles and gaps, and these can have flowing water (leftover snowmelt that percolated down into the water table) most or all of the year, far more than more-arid, warmer (and warmer sooner and longer) low-lying foothills of NY. Think about it; should a mountain trail come within sight (on a clear day) of NYC, a coastal port city? I don't think so.
SGT Rock
11-02-2007, 07:52
You'e forgetting that hikers aren't going to be up on ridge crests every foot of the way. There are saddles and gaps, and these can have flowing water (leftover snowmelt that percolated down into the water table) most or all of the year, far more than more-arid, warmer (and warmer sooner and longer) low-lying foothills of NY. Think about it; should a mountain trail come within sight (on a clear day) of NYC, a coastal port city? I don't think so.
Then take another trail in the area that doesn't look that direction.
You only stay on the AT because you want to stay on the AT. No one makes you go that route, you chose the route you walk - as you recently pointed out.
Think about it; should a mountain trail come within sight (on a clear day) of NYC, a coastal port city? I don't think so.
You're ignoring MacKaye's stated intent in the design of the AT. Read it (http://www.fred.net/kathy/at/mackaye.html) some time.
SGT Rock
11-02-2007, 07:55
You're ignoring MacKaye's stated intent in the design of the AT. Read it (http://www.fred.net/kathy/at/mackaye.html) some time.
You mean the part about getting away from the urban centers? Or the part about the socialist work camps?
Think about it; should a mountain trail come within sight (on a clear day) of NYC, a coastal port city? I don't think so.
I think you're asking the wrong question, because I know many hikers get a thrill from catching a glimpse of NYC from West Mountain, Bearfort Ridge or Mombasha High Point. In fact, IMO one of the best articles to ever appear in Appalachian Trailway News was "The View No More." Maybe some of you remember that after 9/11.
Anyway, the question I would be asking is, should a mountain trail come withing sight of hundreds of subdivisions and suburban sprawl along it's entire length?
The only way to stop that is to support the ATC and Land Trusts that do work along the AT like Weary's Maine Appalachian Trail Land Trust.
You mean the part about getting away from the urban centers? Or the part about the socialist work camps?
Rock, I was talking to a friend yesterday and we both agreed that it would be a good idea to have some sort of compulsory service for young people - similar to Israel. It could be a military commitment, or a volunteer position doing conservation work or teaching literacy skills or helping out in some form or fashion.
What is your opinion of that? This came up because my youngest is thinking about joining Americorps before she goes to college.
You mean the part about getting away from the urban centers? Or the part about the socialist work camps?
You know it's time to go hiking when....
You actually repond to some of the posts on this site posted by obvious stupid-asses when you know you should just ignore them.
minnesotasmith
11-02-2007, 08:09
You're ignoring MacKaye's stated intent in the design of the AT. Read it (http://www.fred.net/kathy/at/mackaye.html) some time.
And then you went all middle-schooler on us.
As far as your last two real points that had content:
1) All these other mountain chains (Adirondacks, Alleghenies, Catskills, Green Mountains, etc.) are all part of the same overall anticlinal system. IMO it's anal beyond belief to not want a long distance (2000+ mile) trail to run through one set of these mountains vs. another (when it would be a better route WRT climate and water availability) out of some excessive idea of "purity".
2) Yes, I've read some of MacKaye's writings, including that piece. You'll notice how his workcamp ideas got ignored, as undesired. He had his opinions, as I have mine. He's also been dead a long time, and the AT has moved onto other hands.
It's kind of like with Wingfoot, who has long had trouble accepting that, other than his guidebook, he's been irrelevant for quite some time, his contributions of note being all in the past. So is it with MacKaye. What he had in mind is no political Constitution to which we are all bound, but rather what one guy (important at one time) thought. I would also add that since MacKaye's time, conditions along the AT have changed, such that population growth has engulfed much of the AT to the point that it's practically unintentionally suburban in parts, and could benefit from a major relo back into the mountains.
It's time to move on, accept the good that was done before, understand what has changed in 80 years in the Eastern U.S., correct the mistakes of the past, and make ever better hiking trails.
SGT Rock
11-02-2007, 08:10
You know it's time to go hiking when....
I guess you realilzed of whom I was speaking. 2 points.
That would be MUCH better IMO.
As far as the objection to the AT no longer running by the metro areas: who said anything about shutting down the segments of trail that run through NJ/CT/MA now? They can keep those trails, hike them all they want, and add to them as they wish; they just won't be part of the AT, as they never should have been.
Problem here is, you're dismissing a lot of history. Bear Mountain is the place where the first new segments of trail were constructed in the 1920s. It's also the scene of one of the largest trail projects currently underway. The NY NJ Trail Conference has a rich and proud history of building and maintaining trails. Simply dismissing that with the wave of a hand is inappropriate IMO. After all, they do a great service by building and maintaining trails that can be walked by folks living in one of the largest urban centers in America.
Says, MS, "we were having a polite, substantive, productive conversation..."
Yes and no. Your telling us where the AT should have gone or was "never meant" to go isn't really all that productive, IMO. :rolleyes:
SGT Rock
11-02-2007, 08:19
Rock, I was talking to a friend yesterday and we both agreed that it would be a good idea to have some sort of compulsory service for young people - similar to Israel. It could be a military commitment, or a volunteer position doing conservation work or teaching literacy skills or helping out in some form or fashion.
What is your opinion of that? This came up because my youngest is thinking about joining Americorps before she goes to college.
I'm always a little concerned about compulsory anything. Think of it like a draft: When we had a draft there were a lot of wasted resources trying to make the people that didn't want to be there stay and do it anyway or to even show up for the draft in the first place. One of the trends of the all volunteer service was the fact that retention went way up the longer the system was in place (except for relatively short term trends like the war) and the fact that the number of folks staying in for a career has VASTLY increased. The consensus is when you are around other people that want to be there - it makes for a better work environment.
Now translate that to the Americorps, Peace Corps, and other groups like that. Right now you get people that volunteer for those things because they want to do them. They are generally of a similar mindset and focus. There is little wasted energy in that, and the people that go there are more productive because they like working around others that are similarly oriented (synergy I reckon). If you start forcing everyone to show up and work, the experience will not be the same. People doing everything they can for exemptions, folks not wanting to work and finding ways to sham out. More administrative requirements to chase the stragglers and get them working - then follow them around to make sure the work they do is productive.
I totally agree that many people would benefit from it and everyone ought to try it, but if it were compulsory I wouldn't expect it would be the same experience it is now for people.
Wow, we're awake this morning in this thread, another whole page and I still haven't found my file on the work server which has been searching this whole time. :)
minnesotasmith
11-02-2007, 08:39
Rock, I was talking to a friend yesterday and we both agreed that it would be a good idea to have some sort of compulsory service for young people - similar to Israel. It could be a military commitment, or a volunteer position doing conservation work or teaching literacy skills or helping out in some form or fashion.
What is your opinion of that? This came up because my youngest is thinking about joining Americorps before she goes to college.
From http://www.nps.gov/archive/malu/documents/amend13.htm
The 13th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, Section 1:
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
From www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com):
Involuntary:
1.not voluntary; independent of one's will; not by one's own choice
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Servitude:
1.slavery or bondage of any kind
2.compulsory service or labor as a punishment for criminals
Selective Service is thus of course illegal, but that's for another time.
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Sorry, but your idea is illegal, against the highest law of the land. Not until the Constitution is changed to specifically allow that, could that change.
Here are the only two legal methods (leaving aside the criminally activist judiciary we are beset with now) for changing the Constitution from precisely what the Founding Fathers set up:
http://www.usconstitution.net/constam.html
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Lastly, when someone (invariably over age 20) enthuses about everyone being compelled to serve two years of national service when they turn 18, I like to ask them two questions:
1) Don't you think that people can generally do more good publicly in their profession than emptying bedpans or picking up cigarette butts in parks? (The idlers on welfare watching TV all day can be dealt with by giving them all 30 days notice and shutting all the unearned benefits programs down.) I know that I do, helping oil company geology departments produce oil & gas, than I would at any lowest-common-denominator make-work/menial job of the sort any nat'l service organization would come up with that everyone could do.
2) When will you serve YOUR two years (presumably at minimum wage, living in alcohol-free same-sex dormitories where you are told to live, with a 9 PM curfew, doing the work assigned to you, far from home and family)? How about starting next week? Hey, if it's good for the 18-YOs, it'd be just as good for you, too.
And, it's not equitable to advocate all others do something you have no interest in doing. If you were a mil veteran who did not serve in combat in wartime, that still doesn't get you off the hook for your two years IMO, as that was both voluntary and not the REAL kind of national service as it has historically been understood.
Still think Americorps for EVERYONE (including YOU) is such a great idea?
SGT Rock
11-02-2007, 08:40
MS, you are babbling again.
minnesotasmith
11-02-2007, 09:03
MS, you are babbling again.
I was pointing out that someone on this site was advocating illegal activity, which I believe there is an enforced rule against. Second, I was quoting relevant law from the U.S. Constitution (that you took a still-valid oath to uphold). That's not on-topic?
SGT Rock
11-02-2007, 09:04
Your still ranting MS. Calm down. No one advocated it - he asked me what I thought about it.
I know you think your long post with lots of quotes and footnotes makes it a great post - but you came across as a reactionary jerk. Slow your roll.
cowboy nichols
11-02-2007, 09:39
Children!! Children!! Go for a Hike you all sound like a bad case of cabin fever!
Tell us how you really feel Sarge. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I gotta say, you seem a bit more direct since you returned from your second tour of duty. I kinda like directness, so that's not a criticism. Just an observation.
Lone Wolf
11-02-2007, 09:53
Tell us how you really feel Sarge. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I gotta say, you seem a bit more direct since you returned from your second tour of duty. I kinda like directness, so that's not a criticism. Just an observation.
we go to the same school of directness
SGT Rock
11-02-2007, 09:53
Tell us how you really feel Sarge. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I gotta say, you seem a bit more direct since you returned from your second tour of duty. I kinda like directness, so that's not a criticism. Just an observation.
Thanks. I take that as a compliment.:cool:
On my NCOER it is called "Candor" LOL.
SGT Rock
11-02-2007, 09:56
we go to the same school of directness
Not the same exact school. But similar philosophies.
Go Army.
max patch
11-02-2007, 10:39
It's kind of like with Wingfoot, who has long had trouble accepting that, other than his guidebook, he's been irrelevant for quite some time, his contributions of note being all in the past.
When hiking the trail is no different than strolling down the mall -- with hiker feeds at every road crossing, every hiker blabbing on their cell as they walk, a caravan of pickups slacking everyones pack, and shelters equipped with plasma tvs and ipod ports -- then everyone may very well realize the message Dan was trying to send. But it will be too late.
Nightwalker
11-05-2007, 20:33
we go to the same school of directness
Now that's funny! :)