2 or 3 night Back packing Jan 2008

[wrongway_08]

Looking to see if anyone is up for a 2 or 3 night trip.
Will need one last winter trip for a gear check before the thru-hike :) !
Need to try out:
- New boots
- Designs for canister warmer
- Design for snow stoppers for boots


When:
Jan 10,11,12th OR
Jan 17,18,19,20th

Where:
No set plans yet, seeing who wants to go first, so we can work with every one
that might want to go. I would like to keep it within 3 hours North, South or West of MD.

Does not have to be on the A.T.

OH Yea, more then likely I will have my dog along.

[Cuffs]

You wont find many people on 17,18, 19... that SoRUCK!!!

[doggiebag]

Uhhhh. I can probably do this ... sign me up for a tentative.

[doggiebag]

With those parameters ... North would be the NJ border at Delaware Water Gap and South would be the Shenandoahs ... I'm just using the AT as the main targets. I'm leaning to the Shenandoahs but if we head North we could easily hike the Duncannon area ... just tossing some thoughts around. There's also the Assateauge Island National Seashore that has backpacking ... though a winter North Easter on the shore makes the hairs on back of my neck stand on end.

[wrongway_08]

Doggiebag, glad to hear from you :) what dates?
What area would you like to do? Assat. would be cool but the wind might be a bit much to make if fun by the shore.

[doggiebag]

I'm just throwing ideas around. Let's see who else bites and we'll put it for a vote. I have no problem heading North to Sasquatch's stomping grounds ... New Jersey is pretty easy. I'd avoid Pennsylvania (don't ask me why - that state nearly took me out ... but then again so did New Hampshire) Screw it .... I'll hike anywhere. Count me in and pick your dates. There's also the C&O canal ... we could hike from Washington DC to Harpers Ferry though I doubt if we can do 90 miles in 3 days (I know I can't) but there's plenty of neat hiking in the area.

[DAKS]

shenandoahs and ummmmm.............i might be in? kind of a long haul for me, but worth it i'm sure?

[saimyoji]

I could be up for that. I'm close to Allentown/Hamburg/DWG but could be willing to get down to MD and hike north. Winter hiking in PA is no different than anywhere else. In fact its much easier to hike here in the winter as the gaps between the rocks are all filled in with snow/ice. ;)

[wrongway_08]

Do me a favor, if you know post the dates you want to hike.

Also the area you want.

This will make it easier for me to orginize the trip. - Thanks :)

[doggiebag]

I could be up for that. I'm close to Allentown/Hamburg/DWG but could be willing to get down to MD and hike north. Winter hiking in PA is no different than anywhere else. In fact its much easier to hike here in the winter as the gaps between the rocks are all filled in with snow/ice. ;)
I'm sure that helps with helping to ice down any twisted appendages. You can just leave your whole leg jammed in the rocks and let the rocks and ice keep the swelling down. On the bright side at least the rattlers you guys breed on those mountains are hibernating.

[wrongway_08]

I'm sure that helps with helping to ice down any twisted appendages. You can just leave your whole leg jammed in the rocks and let the rocks and ice keep the swelling down. On the bright side at least the rattlers you guys breed on those mountains are hibernating.

:D :) :D :)

[sasquatch2014]

I should know better but ok I'm in. Let me know where to go. Hell I still have food left from our last March O'Fools a week ago. Everyone up this way thinks I'm nuts already so what the hell I'll play to it that way they wont expect anything from me! See I have a plan.:banana I do have an idea i would love to wrap up the last of NY so if you want we could go from like the highpoint area over into NY. Just an idea plus it would be under 400 miles this time.

[doggiebag]

Do me a favor, if you know post the dates you want to hike.

Also the area you want.

This will make it easier for me to orginize the trip. - Thanks :)
My suggestion is South Bound from the Northern End of the Shenandoahs at Front Royal. Either set of dates are fine. At least there will be a couple of 3,000 footers to keep things interesting. However the downside is we'll our campfires will be restricted to established fire rings at shelters and huts. Which means since it's a 3 day outing ... we establish a campsite at the first hut south bound and use it as a base of operations for dayhikes. You follow? ... just thinking out loud.

[doggiebag]

I should know better but ok I'm in. Let me know where to go. Hell I still have food left from our last March O'Fools a week ago. Everyone up this way thinks I'm nuts already so what the hell I'll play to it that way they wont expect anything from me! See I have a plan.:banana I do have an idea i would love to wrap up the last of NY so if you want we could go from like the highpoint area over into NY. Just an idea plus it would be under 400 miles this time.

We allowed campfires there? I'm game to tromp around your neck of the woods.

[sasquatch2014]

Yes in NY not sure about NJ. Hell it most likely will all be coated in ice and snow anyway so not sure what we could catch on fire. Other than Wrongways new shoes as he cooks them in the am over his stove.

[doggiebag]

No campfires in New Jersey ... I just looked it up. No way I'm staying out without a campfire. So I'm leaning towards NY. We all know that Sasquatch is so nice he might even start staching firewood for us before we get there.

[sasquatch2014]

I plan on cutting back on my food bag weight so I guess I can pack in wood. You think a 1/2 a cord will be enough.

[wrongway_08]

Okay, lets do:

1)NY trip - Jan 10,11,12 - Sasquatch, what starting/finishing point do you need?

Whos in:
-Sasquatch
-Wrongway (& Hudson ?)
-Doggiebag & Aldo
-Saimyoji ?
-Daks ?

2) Shenandoahs - Jan 17,18,19,20 - South Bound from the Northern End of the Shenandoahs.

Whos in:
- Wrongway (& Hudson ?)
-Doggiebag & Aldo
-Daks ?
-Saimyoji ?

[sasquatch2014]

For New York if we could go from RT 17 there is a big parking lot right there where it crosses over from the park and the Thruway to the NJ stateline it would be around 20 miles or so similar to last time. or we can plan to go through Harriman State Park which I have done but more shelter options.

[doggiebag]

For New York if we could go from RT 17 there is a big parking lot right there where it crosses over from the park and the Thruway to the NJ stateline it would be around 20 miles or so similar to last time. or we can plan to go through Harriman State Park which I have done but more shelter options.
Southbound from 17 sounds good ... we can use the Wildcat shelter as a basecamp, since it's only 10 miles from the NJ border. The terrain is pretty much mountaineering from what I could recall heading south. Crampons? (seriously) you guys have some big slabs of rock with nasty (deadly) drops.

[sasquatch2014]

Now that you put it that way, I have heard good things about the Florida trail.

[doggiebag]

Wait a minute ... you mean you haven't done that section at the NY/NJ line? It was a adrenaline rush in warm weather. It'll be a tad intense in winter. I would probably rope us up.

[wrongway_08]

You know its a good trip when Crampons are needed!!! :) What about Aldo - do they make mini-doggy-crampons :) !

[wrongway_08]

Just puting on this page so we dont need to jump from page 1 to 2 to see it.

Okay, lets do:

1)NY trip - Jan 10,11,12 - Sasquatch, what starting/finishing point do you need?

Whos in:
-Sasquatch
-Wrongway (& Hudson ?)
-Doggiebag & Aldo
-Slamajama
-River1
-Saimyoji ?
- A-Train ?

2) Shenandoahs - Jan 17,18,19,20 - South Bound from the Northern End of the Shenandoahs.

Whos in:
- Wrongway (& Hudson ?)
-Doggiebag & Aldo
-Daks 19,20th
-Saimyoji ?



Also if going PM me the following:
- Name
- Cell phone number if you have one or home number
- type/color vehicle your driving - had a waiting problem cause we didnt do this last time!

Only ones who will be given this info, if needed, are the others joining us this hike - unless you say not to.

I will pm you back my info also.
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[doggiebag]

I'm assuming the main mission of this trip is to test equipment and develop winter hiking/survival skills and not to make mileage? That should entice more participants. Right?

[DAKS]

i just realized sumpin'. i'm pretty sure i confirmed a trip on jan. 19/20 to do a piece south of SNP? oops! play through! have a great trip guys! maybe next time?

[wrongway_08]

I'm assuming the main mission of this trip is to test equipment and develop winter hiking/survival skills and not to make mileage? That should entice more participants. Right?

Not worried about milage, just want to test equipment - and have a good time enjoyn everyones company, lke our last outing.

Are you bringn Aldo this time? I will have Hudson at least on one of the trips, most likley the NY, since it is the shorter of the 2. Guess i should get him a jacket or something - he is really short haired.

[wrongway_08]

i just realized sumpin'. i'm pretty sure i confirmed a trip on jan. 19/20 to do a piece south of SNP? oops! play through! have a great trip guys! maybe next time?

Thats cool, maybe next time!

[slamajama]

if its not too late i can do NY..lmk

[wrongway_08]

if its not too late i can do NY..lmk


Nope, aint too late late untill were leaving the woods!

[doggiebag]

Nope, aint too late late untill were leaving the woods!
It's never too late to join this parade of winter nomadic freaks. The more the merrier or should I say the more - the better the chances of fubar moments. I was at REI today longingly eyeballing a pair of Sierra Design Down booties ... man they looked nice. But with our love of campfires - I know I'll burn some holes in those things with popping embers in short order. Unless I see a pair in the local thrift store I think I'll stick to my Crocks with 2 pairs of thick socks. Besides I'd rather spend my money on a pair of crampons (something to get myself for the holidays ;) ). Is it too early to get psyched for this trip? And yes I think Aldo would love to see New York again.

[wrongway_08]

I was thinking of those same down booties!

I think for this upcomming trip I might buy some crampons from REI - they have those new orange ones that weigh almost nothing.

[DAKS]

i stand corrected. i can do the 19/20 of january if you do the shenandoahs? i would only be able to do sat. and sun., but oh well. that's better than nuthin'! it looks as though you gents might be doing the other trip already, but if you change yer' mind for the shenandoahs, i'm in. keep me posted!

[doggiebag]

This the pair you eyeballing?
2805
Petzl Charlet Vasak Flexlock Crampons

Sasquatch would be jealous if we had the real deal on. Those Yaktrax just seemed like they're not made for heavy hiking IMHO. He was fudging with them quite a bit from what I could recall. And as far as a doggie shirt for your pooch ... might be a good idea. I'm sure that area we're headed to will not be as balmy as our last outing.

[DAKS]

regarding the down booties. i actually tore the liners out of some old pac boots and they have worked out pretty sweet! they are i believe made of wool and felt(?)and very warm. prolly' cheaper and maybe less flammable? very ugly i might add, but who cares if yer' warm???

[wrongway_08]

Thats the ones! Some sharp arse points on them suckers - could get some really cool looking scars on the back of my legs from them :) !

[wrongway_08]

i stand corrected. i can do the 19/20 of january if you do the shenandoahs? i would only be able to do sat. and sun., but oh well. that's better than nuthin'! it looks as though you gents might be doing the other trip already, but if you change yer' mind for the shenandoahs, i'm in. keep me posted!

I was planning to do both trips. Figure what the heck, I have the time off from work!
Will add you back on the list.

[doggiebag]

regarding the down booties. i actually tore the liners out of some old pac boots and they have worked out pretty sweet! they are i believe made of wool and felt(?)and very warm. prolly' cheaper and maybe less flammable? very ugly i might add, but who cares if yer' warm???

Let the backwoods fashion show begin .... and now modeling the new line of crampons - don't mind the limp ...

[doggiebag]

Thats the ones! Some sharp arse points on them suckers - could get some really cool looking scars on the back of my legs from them :) !
I could really pick up the chicks with those claws on ... I think :-?

[wrongway_08]

Chicks dig steel clawed feet!

[wrongway_08]

chicks dig scars!

[wrongway_08]

We got both in one package!

[DAKS]

sweet! of course, i gotta' get my kitchen pass for this trip, but i do not see that being too big an issue? are you still thinking of a basecamp/shelter in north SNP? if so, which one would that be? i would prolly' have to hit the road fri. pm after work, roach hotel fri. pm, and up early sat. am to meet up with you at a reasonable/early time on sat. i may have to ask for some suggestions for this itinerary as the time nears? i'm stoked!!!

[doggiebag]

We got both in one package!
The ladies go nuts when I put on the Deet and hipboots. I need to keep them at bay with the dog.:)

[DAKS]

Chicks dig steel clawed feet!

"do they have large talons?" napoleon dynamite

[wrongway_08]

Need to see who all is comming, if Doggiebag is comming, sounds like he has an idea of where to start. Figure we can plan it so that our camp site is near the road for you can meet us easily.

Dont worry, we'll get it all figured out! :)

[doggiebag]

Tom Floyd Wayside is a shelter .8 miles north of the SNP (Shenandoah National Park) boundary. Basecamp could be at this shelter. It is also within 2.9 miles south of US522 which leads to Front Royal. Plenty of time to plan this one.

The Liger is known for it's skills with magic.

[DAKS]

yer' right, plenty of time to plan! thanks for the coordinates!

"it's pretty much my favorite animal!"

[wrongway_08]

Shenandoah Park Trip

Thurs. Jan 17th: Meet at Park.

Thurs. Jan 17th night: 1st camp site: 10 miles
Gravel Spring Hut - 2,480 feet. Spring at Shelter.

Fri. Jan 18th night: 2nd camp area: 13 miles
Pass Mtn. Hut - 2,690 feet. Spring at Shelter

Sat. Jan 19th night: 3rd camp area: 15 miles.... hmmm....going to rough
Rock Spring Hut - 3,465 feet. Spring nearby

Sun. Jan 20th: Last day: 6 miles
Milam Gap, Skyline Drive - 3,300 feet - Parking area.

Just a rough draft.

[wrongway_08]

The above is assuming that we want to hike into the park.

[river1]

Hey, if you are going to do a trip in NY or NJ count me in..

[doggiebag]

Hey, if you are going to do a trip in NY or NJ count me in..
We have very high standards. Got a pulse?

[sasquatch2014]

Thats the ones! Some sharp arse points on them suckers - could get some really cool looking scars on the back of my legs from them :) !

This will make it look just like the last day of hunting season any hikers who fall back just follow the blood trails into camp. That is a great idea. If the wounds are too deep Doggiebag can cautaurize them with the road flare he will be using to heat his tent this trip.:D

[river1]

yep, let me check, ok I got a pulse. I am a section hiker always looking to get on the trail..what kind of distance you looking at? what are the start and stop points?

[wrongway_08]

Oh yea, forgot about that blood trail! ...... thought LastHonestFool's foot finally gave way from those sneakers being used as winter boots :) !


River1, got you added in! Welcome aboard, get ready for some good times.......:)

[doggiebag]

I have enough to worry about than caring for the injured. Let the Darwin awards commence. Road flares are for sissies - my candle lanterns provide enough heat. I may just forgo the tent and go hardcore with the Hennesey. Aldo will be fine with his thermarest ... it all depends on the conditions. I gotta watch out for my special needs child (Aldo).

[doggiebag]

Oh yea, forgot about that blood trail! ...... thought LastHonestFool's foot finally gave way from those sneakers being used as winter boots :) !


River1, got you added in! Welcome aboard, get ready for some good times.......:)
Let's not write checks we couldn't cash now. What we view as good times is certifiable in some circles.

[wrongway_08]

Going to take the dog out Friday to get a jacket (as long as he dont look too stupid, other wise he is going with the cold but cool looking combo :)) and a pack, this should be good!

[sasquatch2014]

Let's not write checks we couldn't cash now. What we view as good times is certifiable in some circles.

Then again i belive that in some circles we are Certifiable. and watch that special needs stuff. remember my wife is still trying to fit me with a helmet.:eek:

[doggiebag]

Going to take the dog out Friday to get a jacket (as long as he dont look too stupid, other wise he is going with the cold but cool looking combo :)) and a pack, this should be good!
Do you realize how bizzare that sounds? "Going to take the dog out Friday to get a jacket ..." Now I'm convinced we're all damaged goods that need intervention.:eek:

[wrongway_08]

.......We still have to get Sasquatch fitted for his helmet :eek: !!!!!!

[A-Train]

I may be in if you guys do a jersey/ny hike. Won't know for sure till its closer, but it sounds like a good time.

i'll keep watchin' out for details

[wrongway_08]

I may be in if you guys do a jersey/ny hike. Won't know for sure till its closer, but it sounds like a good time.

i'll keep watchin' out for details

Got you added to the NY hike as a ? for now.

[doggiebag]

Then again i belive that in some circles we are Certifiable. and watch that special needs stuff. remember my wife is still trying to fit me with a helmet.:eek:

I bet you guys tell your wives that you're viewing porn on the internet when you're actually here at WB! Thank goodness I've only got a casual GF that does not live with me. I feel sorry for you bastards.

[wrongway_08]

I bet you guys tell your wives that you're viewing porn on the internet when you're actually here at WB! Thank goodness I've only got a casual GF that does not live with me. I feel sorry for you bastards.

Mine would rather me look at porn........cost less money.......:sun .......everytime I get on W.B. I get another great idea I've just gotta try! :D

[kayak karl]

i'm in. off january. where ever u want. Delawre river gap or great falls. how about batona trail. 4 days long?? good test all wilderness sites

[wrongway_08]

Moving this up so people dont miss it :)

Okay, lets do:

1)NY trip - Jan 10,11,12 - Sasquatch, what starting/finishing point do you need?

Whos in:
-Sasquatch
-Wrongway (& Hudson ?)
-Doggiebag & Aldo
-Slamajama
-River1
-Saimyoji ?
- A-Train ?
- Kayak karl ?

2) Shenandoahs - Jan 17,18,19,20 - South Bound from the Northern End of the Shenandoahs.

Whos in:
- Wrongway (& Hudson ?)
-Doggiebag & Aldo
-Daks 19,20th
-Saimyoji ?
- Kayak karl ?
- JayBird62 ?



Also if going PM me the following:
- Name
- Cell phone number if you have one or home number
- type/color vehicle your driving - had a waiting problem cause we didnt do this last time!

Only ones who will be given this info, if needed, are the others joining us this hike - unless you say not to.

I will pm you back my info also.

[doggiebag]

You missed Kayak Karl ... looks like he's open for the festivities.

[doggiebag]

From what I recall I think the NY trip will be a 20 miler Southbound from NY17 to the NJ line using the wildcat shelter as base. That's what shortbus suggested.

[wrongway_08]

i'm in. off january. where ever u want. Delawre river gap or great falls. how about batona trail. 4 days long?? good test all wilderness sites

Which trips you want to do, or do you want to do both trips?

I put you down as ? for both right now.

[Jaybird62]

Sounds like good times. I cant say for sure but as of now I am layed off from work, but trying to find job. I would love to go on the shenendoah trip, but I am a ? at this point.

[sasquatch2014]

I bet you guys tell your wives that you're viewing porn on the internet when you're actually here at WB! Thank goodness I've only got a casual GF that does not live with me. I feel sorry for you bastards.

I find If I watch midget porn I can keep it in a small window on the screen and it doens't seem to effect it all that much. i am a multi tasker except when it comes to breaking camp in the morning as you know.

[sasquatch2014]

Was looking over the Ny area and just a few things we may need to consider.

1) Only one shelter in that stretch and no other designated campsites.
2) Elevation changes - From 17 to 17a there are number of climbs while not super long they are steep from what I can tell on the maps. this could prove to be a bear with snow and ice.
3) Parking at the NY NJ line there is no parking its a side trail and even then parking may be sketchy. The next parking is 4 miles into NJ making it 21.9 miles total and much tougher trail than Md was.

Just some tings to chew on. We could do Harriman State Park if you wanted to its the other way on the AT.

[doggiebag]

More shelter options and flatter ground NOBO from NY17 heading to Harriman SP. But that would avoid the big slabs of scary rock :mad: ... your call. Either option allows us our needed fire pits :) .

[wrongway_08]

Sasquatch, you need the South bound section to complete that part dont you? I say we go with that. 22 miles total, that would be 6 miles the first day, 10 the second and 6 on the last.

As far as "campgrounds" I dont need a shelter to sleep at - it would be nice but to keep everyone safe and feeling comfy o this trip - I can adapt :) !

I am good with how ever you all want.

[doggiebag]

Sasquatch, you need the South bound section to complete that part dont you? I say we go with that. 22 miles total, that would be 6 miles the first day, 10 the second and 6 on the last.

As far as "campgrounds" I dont need a shelter to sleep at - it would be nice but to keep everyone safe and feeling comfy o this trip - I can adapt :) !

I am good with how ever you all want.

Soutbound heading to NJ it is! The way I figure ... if it's not challenging - why bother? My clear recollection of the area of that area is huge slabs of rock that was exposed to the weather. The rock faces are the type that would make for difficult footing if snow/ice is present. I'll rope the dog off since he has no fear. At least I can keep him from killing himself if he slid. I'll bring enough for belaying folks as well - if needed. Time to troll Ebay for Crampons. My pack will be equipment heavy and unfortunately food light.:mad:

[LastHonestFool]

I'd like to go, gonna try to work it out with work

the dates in later January would be better for me

I couldn't miss thalling out my trail runners over my stove again with Rick :-P

[wrongway_08]

Fool! about time you dropped in!

[LastHonestFool]

been busy! :-P

this trip I'll DEFINETLY have my new pack haha...my shoulders are just now recovering from that damned Kelty pack

[wrongway_08]

Maybe if you didnt sprint the whole damn trail!! :) :) You shoulders wouldnt hurt :)

[sasquatch2014]

Fool just let all the robbers know that you will be out for a bit I am sure that they could wait a few extra days before the hold you up again. It wouldn't be same disaster with out you.

[doggiebag]

We need someone to send out to some mythical shelter to start the campfire just to recall him back because the main party decided that they felt like not moving on. Sorta like a "Fool's errand". You're right it wouldn't be the same without LHF.

[DAKS]

gents! it's sounding like this is gonna' be a great trip! i've been checking out the photos from yer' last slumber party! looks like a good group! have a great weekend all!!!!

[LastHonestFool]

hahahahah

you just need to have a longer stride....like I said, try jumping in between steps :-P

[LastHonestFool]

@ sasquatch: I really dont care if they stick us up again, so long as I don't get hurt :-P

@doggie: lol no worries man, that surely took some bounce out of my step :-P

I'm going to make a couple phone calls in the next couple days tryin to chase downmy damned Nimbus Ozone

and yes, Rick, Max, and Chris....the trail runners shall return for this trip :)

[wrongway_08]

Trail Runners? Real men wear flip flops for winter hikes!!!

[A-Train]

I hike in Harriman a lot, so no biggy, but the section between 17 and 17A isn'r um, how to you say, fun? ideal? enjoyable?

just throwing it out there

[doggiebag]

I hike in Harriman a lot, so no biggy, but the section between 17 and 17A isn'r um, how to you say, fun? ideal? enjoyable?

just throwing it out there

It's 8 miles of Disney World for masochists ... and the views are "to die for" :eek:

[sasquatch2014]

Just to add as much confusion into the mix as possible. what about along the DWG. That is more like a long ridge hike from what I can tell. I have never been over there mind you so I have really no clue what the hell I am talking about but that has yet to stop me. It is not that far from where I'm at and would be closer for you guys coming up from the south. Plus I could have another half a state completed for my "RU" hike. I have half of MA, CT, NY, MD and then we could add NJ. Just another idea. we could actualy start farther north and head down through Highpoint etc heading south.

[doggiebag]

Just to add as much confusion into the mix as possible. what about along the DWG. That is more like a long ridge hike from what I can tell. I have never been over there mind you so I have really no clue what the hell I am talking about but that has yet to stop me. It is not that far from where I'm at and would be closer for you guys coming up from the south. Plus I could have another half a state completed for my "RU" hike. I have half of MA, CT, NY, MD and then we could add NJ. Just another idea. we could actualy start farther north and head down through Highpoint etc heading south.
It will be a cold camp. No open fires are allowed in NJ. Something to keep in mind. That could be at the very least uncomfortable. I'm game. I'll just bring a wood burning stove with me. But wasn't that big fire in MD nice? It may seem trivial for some folks regarding the importance of fire building. But we're talking winter camping.

[doggiebag]

Humor me and read this story by Jack London ... (it's intense).
http://london.sonoma.edu/Writings/LostFace/fire.html

I take cold weather camping and it's dangers seriously. As you know.:eek:

[LastHonestFool]

yeah no fire is going to suck, the last night on the trail was a WARM night that night :D

[wrongway_08]

I am game for what ever, just let me know :)

[doggiebag]

I am game for what ever, just let me know :)
It's up to Sasquatch then. The sooner we can firm this up the better other folks can make the committment. Delaware Water Gap (DWG) heading south into PA imho is not too bad 1st shelter is within 7 miles. Heading North is a little bit of a road hike followed by a climb of about 900 feet vertical over 5 miles . First campsite is a backpacker campsite with no water at 4 miles from DWG (cold camp). It's all up to Sasquatch/shortbus - he's driving the most and has spaces to fill in this area for his sections.

[wrongway_08]

Okay, I am guessing we are going with the first idea of NY?
Will work tryn to find directions for begin and end points.
We need to figure out who will be meeting at the lower point and driving some to the begining.

My truck will hold 3 people, but the 3rd person will be sitting in the "jump seat" in the rear - really cramped. But the packs will be inthe back of the pick up.

Any other vehicles able to fit more in?

[doggiebag]

I've got me a little pickup truck. I can carry one person ... if they don't mind snuggling with the dog. I can haul gear in the back.

[wrongway_08]

1)NY trip - Jan 10,11,12 - Sasquatch, what starting/finishing point do you need?

Whos in:
-Sasquatch
-Wrongway (& Hudson ?) - Pick up, squeeze in 2 people and a dog or 2.
-Doggiebag & Aldo - pick up truck, 1 person and a dog.
-Slamajama
-River1
-Saimyoji ?
- A-Train ?
- Kayak karl ?

[sasquatch2014]

I guess before I really figure all the details we should figure out what time you all guess you will be getting up this way. You got a bit of a drive so are we looking at a short hike of only a few hours the first day or are you all planning on a long day and driving to get up in this area in the AM?

[doggiebag]

I guess before I really figure all the details we should figure out what time you all guess you will be getting up this way. You got a bit of a drive so are we looking at a short hike of only a few hours the first day or are you all planning on a long day and driving to get up in this area in the AM?
Hey dude ... you're missing out on some real funny s*** on the WorldRecord thread ... it's effin precious.

As far as the first day ... depends on where we're starting.:D

[wrongway_08]

Well you made it down here at 9 for our last hike, I know you had the longest drive out of all of us, so as long as the others are good with it, lets say 9am as our first meet?
First lets see where the others live, I think some are down further South then I am - that would make it hard for them to hit a 9am meet time.

If we list where we are comming from, maybe that'll give a few a chance to carpool - saving gas and parking spaces.

For me it looks like a 5 hour drive from Westminster Maryland - (this is using Beacon, New York as the meeting area - I know thats not right but it should be safe for the drive time needed.)

[doggiebag]

If we target the Delaware Water Gap as our starting point - it's closer to everybody.
It's about 190 miles from Baltimore. Southbound from there would be PA and Northbound would be New Jersey.

[wrongway_08]

Sasquatch - I am good for what ever section you need to complete. If we hit the water gap, wanna place bets on if the ice is thick enough to cross the river? Fool, this ones for you to prove - sneakers dry out the fastest :)

We need to pick a spot soon, so everyone else can make arrangments. I dont want people deciding not to go because of this.

Lets just go hiking, freeze our arses off, place bets on how long it'll take for Fool's feet to freeze solid, How much food Aldo will be able to beg off of us, If I can burn another hole in my boot tryn to defrost it over the Jet Boil - yea found the hole a few days ago! See how many times Doggiebag can switch out layers of clothing and see if Sasquatch can keep us on the trail again!
And of course all the "new" hikers - lets see what they will add to the parade of fools!

[doggiebag]

Freezing weather ... in the mountains. Frozen hands, feet and noses. A chance of a twisted ankle or snapped limb, bad food and the possibility of no campfires. Hell - I can't wait. Let's go!

[sasquatch2014]

Ok lets plan on the start point being Rt 17 in NY heading South on the AT to the NY line. If we have enough cars we can leave one at NY 17A in case we feel the need to come off sooner. The others will be left down at the NJ end I'll get the exact spot when I dig out that section of map. but I think it will be down a side trail called the State Line Trail it is on county road 511 (lakeside Rd) and just south of the intersection of NY 210 and Lakeshore Rd. This side trail is 1.2 miles dropping off the ridge down to the lake. This will give us 17.9 miles just about right.

I got there early but remember that I also stayed at my in-laws the night before outside of Lancaster Pa. And if you come up in the AM you will have Rush Hour traffic coming through NJ to deal with. The short miles will also allow for you guys to hit the road with a bit of light still on the last day. I got real sleepy on the drive home last time. But I was warm!

[doggiebag]

Very cool. For a while there I thought your kitchen pass got revoked :banana

[sasquatch2014]

No the only thing that could really way lay me is my back. I am trying to get in to see the Dr again soon. The other day I had the family at the mall and we were at the book store. I had a cup of coffee and a book in my right harnd and I leaned over a bit and reached for something with my left and that was it I was dropped to my knees for a bit. I got out of the store and was laying on the floor of the mall streaching it out some. Big embarrassment moment for my kids. I am praying that the disc blown again. Its been 5 years since my last cut job.

[doggiebag]

I'd kinda expect you laid out like that in the woods ... not in a freakin mall. Hey you're a hiker. Who cares how you looked. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do!

[doggiebag]

Ok lets plan on the start point being Rt 17 in NY heading South on the AT to the NY line. If we have enough cars we can leave one at NY 17A in case we feel the need to come off sooner. The others will be left down at the NJ end I'll get the exact spot when I dig out that section of map. but I think it will be down a side trail called the State Line Trail it is on county road 511 (lakeside Rd) and just south of the intersection of NY 210 and Lakeshore Rd. This side trail is 1.2 miles dropping off the ridge down to the lake. This will give us 17.9 miles just about right.

I got there early but remember that I also stayed at my in-laws the night before outside of Lancaster Pa. And if you come up in the AM you will have Rush Hour traffic coming through NJ to deal with. The short miles will also allow for you guys to hit the road with a bit of light still on the last day. I got real sleepy on the drive home last time. But I was warm!

Game on! Time for logistics :banana

[wrongway_08]

Right on! :)

Still wondering about bringing Hudson, not sure, time to take him out in the cold (we are suppose to get some snow!!) see how he does on a short hike in the ice, snow and cold.

One other thing, I was thinking about driving up the night before the hike and crashing out in a hotel for the night, anyone interested in splitting a room? Figure we could get a double bedroom and then "let in" 2 more into the room, split the price 4 ways? 2 people would each get a bed and the other 2 would sleep on the floor.
Most hotels are about $70.00 a night ave for 2 beds., so 4 ways that would be - 18.00 a person. First come, first serve on the beds :)

[doggiebag]

I know your pooch is from Mob town ... tough critter. He's gotta be able to handle below freezing for 3 days. The hotel sounds like a good possibility.

[sasquatch2014]

Not sure what is right near the north end of the trail but there would be plenty of stuff up in Harriman or down south of the trail near where 87 and 287 meet. Heck you guys if you have time should stop at Campmor in NJ only 30 min from where we will be. Great store like a wal-mart of camping and outdoor gear.

[LastHonestFool]

@Rick: I SWEAR my feet were warm :-P

secondly, whoever is doing the logistics on this one....if ya'll don't mind breaking it down day by da liek we had in the other trip thread that'd be awesome....what dates are we shooting for?

[doggiebag]

@Rick: I SWEAR my feet were warm :-P

secondly, whoever is doing the logistics on this one....if ya'll don't mind breaking it down day by da liek we had in the other trip thread that'd be awesome....what dates are we shooting for?
Not me. But at least we know what a realistic pace is for winter hiking. Wrongway suggested this trip and we're headed to Sasquatches stomping grounds. I'm sure the plans will go to poo anyway once we get our boots on the ground.

[LastHonestFool]

what days fellas?

[doggiebag]

The optimistic schedule is we start walking south at 9 am on January 10. That's starting from NY17 heading to the NJ stateline. 10.1 miles later we should arrive at the Wildcat shelter then on January 11 it's a 11 miler to Wayawanda Shelter in NJ ... that's all I can figure out right now. I'm assuming we'll leave a vehicle somewhere south of there to get us all back to the starting point.

[LastHonestFool]

I might not be able to make this one....I'll have to see

[sasquatch2014]

Actually it's a bit simpler than that it is 17.9 miles total for the trip on the at throw in another 1.2 to get down the access trail at the south end. I figured to break it into 6 and 7 mile days for the most part. Pleanty of climbs so figure we need to stay fluid on the miles.

[wrongway_08]

)NY trip - Jan 10,11,12 (19.5 miles total, including trailheads)


Filling in as we get more info,
JAN 10 Meet at first vehicle drop off point, by 8:30
JAN 10 meet at 9am to start hike
HOW TO GET THERE: Follow N.J. Route 17 north to the New York State Thruway and take the first exit, Exit 15A (Sloatsburg). Turn left at the bottom of the ramp onto N.Y. Route 17 north. Continue on Route 17 through the villages of Sloatsburg, Tuxedo and Southfields. About two miles north of Southfields, turn right onto Arden Valley Road. Cross the bridge over the New York State Thruway, then make the first right at a sign “Hikers’ Trailhead Parking.” Park in the dirt parking area to the west of a large meadow, known as the Elk Pen.
JAN 11 Hike South to
JAN 12 Finish South to NJ line,

Whos in:
-Sasquatch
-Wrongway (& Hudson ?) - Pick up truck, squeeze in 2 people and a dog or 2.
-Doggiebag & Aldo - pick up truck, 1 person and a dog.
-Slamajama
-River1
-Saimyoji ?
- A-Train ?
- Kayak karl ?

[wrongway_08]

Googled the area, this will let you see all the side roads at least, looks like Arden road and 17 is the closest spot to the trail head. They dont show the AT on this map, so I am kinda guessing at exact crossing spots.

http://maps.google.com/maps?tab=wl

Sorry, you have to hit directions, type in your starting point (city and state only) and then the ending point (Arden NY) This will kick the map up, then zoom in till you can read the back roads. Move left or right by hitting the N,S,E or W symbols.

Also Westminster is 5 hours away, that hotel is sounding pretty good now, any takers? I would leave right after work at 2pm on the 9th, get there about 8 pm or so.

[sasquatch2014]

at the north end there is abig parking lot called the Elk Pen Parking Lot. It is off of Arden Valley Rd after the road crosses the NY state Thruway. It maybe 1/4 of a mile from where Arden Valley Rd and NY Rt 17 meet. It will be on the right hand side of the road.

[wrongway_08]

NY trip - Jan 10,11,12 (19.5 miles total, including trailheads)


Filling in as we get more info,
JAN 10 Meet at first vehicle drop off point, by 8:30
WORKING ON THIS SPOT
JAN 10 meet at 9am to start hike
HOW TO GET THERE: Follow N.J. Route 17 north to the New York State Thruway and take the first exit, Exit 15A (Sloatsburg). Turn left at the bottom of the ramp onto N.Y. Route 17 north. Continue on Route 17 through the villages of Sloatsburg, Tuxedo and Southfields. About two miles north of Southfields, turn right onto Arden Valley Road. Cross the bridge over the New York State Thruway, then make the first right at a sign “Hikers’ Trailhead Parking.” Park in the dirt parking area to the west of a large meadow, known as the Elk Pen.
JAN 11 Hike South to
JAN 12 Finish South to NJ line,

Whos in:
-Sasquatch
-Wrongway (& Hudson ?) - Pick up truck, squeeze in 2 people and a dog or 2.
-Doggiebag & Aldo - pick up truck, 1 person and a dog.
-Slamajama
-River1
-Saimyoji ?
- A-Train ?
- Kayak karl ?<!-- / message --><!-- edit note -->

[wrongway_08]

Been looking for the place to drop off the vehicles for the end of the trip - dont see any cross roads anround that NY/NJ/ App. Trail area, anyone here know of any?

[wrongway_08]

Got this info from the other thread I posted. laces to leave the vehicles on the NJ/NY border.

1) From Vernon, NJ take Rt 94 north into New York. Turn right on Warwick Turnpike (there is a shopping center and Shoprite food store here N41.12.090 W074.23.485). Turn left on Conklin Rd. Take this to dead end at Bowen Rd. Turn left on Bowen Rd. Take this to dead end and take sharp right onto Brady Rd. Brady Rd becomes Longhouse Dr. This road will cross the AT N41.11.736 W074.22.292

2) There is parking available for approx. 5 vehicles where the A.T. crosses Rt. 519 in Sussex County, NJ. This is just a short distance NOBO toward the High Point Shelter, or SOBO toward High Point Monument/State Park/Ranger Station. This is about as close to the NJ/NY border as you can get! :)

What do you think?

[doggiebag]

If we're starting at NY17 near Soutfields, NY - both parking lots are over 43 miles away. Undoable in 3 days during winter conditions. We either move the starting point further south of NY17 or we somehow find a closer lot.

[sasquatch2014]

The AT trail Guide states that there is limited parking near the state line trail as well. It says to not park at the marina that is across the road but given the time of year it may be allowed I'll make some calls to people I know over that way and see what I can figure out. The stateline trail is just south of the town of Greenwood Lakes NY. The elk Pen parking lot can not be more than maybe 4 miles from Southfields if that.

[wrongway_08]

If we're starting at NY17 near Soutfields, NY - both parking lots are over 43 miles away. Undoable in 3 days during winter conditions. We either move the starting point further south of NY17 or we somehow find a closer lot.

I think your looking at something wrong or I misread something, the milage should be around the 21 miles - parking at the spot Sasquatch has us starting at. I'll double check

[wrongway_08]

Never mind, my bad, looks like the #1 option might work but #2 is way off.

[doggiebag]

Never mind, my bad, looks like the #1 option might work but #2 is way off.
If I left Aldo at home for this trip ... we could take a train up to New York. How far are you from the city Sasquatch?

[doggiebag]

Just a thought ... but I reconsidered. It's not worth it. It adds to the logistical problem. Ignore the train post.

[wrongway_08]

The hike without Aldo? I almost fainted!!! Who will sneak my food when I go to warm my hands by the fire????

It wouldnt be the same without him..... he is part of the group.

[doggiebag]

2840
He is the official food tester ... wild mushrooms, old meat .... He's my special needs child (who has a propensity for violence).

[wrongway_08]

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q60/wrongway_02/HudsonatHarpersFerry08-01-2007015.jpg

This is Hudson, hope he gets to meet Aldo this next trip.

[doggiebag]

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q60/wrongway_02/HudsonatHarpersFerry08-01-2007015.jpg

This is Hudson, hope he gets to meet Aldo this next trip.
That PFD can keep him warm for the hike if he get's coldeasily. I'm serious. But Hudson's from Bemo - he's tough enough.

[sasquatch2014]

If I left Aldo at home for this trip ... we could take a train up to New York. How far are you from the city Sasquatch?

I am all of 15 min from a train station. you catch one of the commuter lines out of Grand Central station and 1:15 later you are in Pawling. One stop short of the AT stop. It could be done if Aldo could be crated. But still would be a huge pain in the ass.

[DAKS]

just reassure me that aldo will be coming to the jan. 19/20 trip?! that's the only reason i decided to come! HE'S FLIPPIN' FAMOUS!

[doggiebag]

just reassure me that aldo will be coming to the jan. 19/20 trip?! that's the only reason i decided to come! HE'S FLIPPIN' FAMOUS!
Yeah ... wait till you have to live with the flatulent flea farm.

[DAKS]

let the games begin! can't wait!

[doggiebag]

Never mind, my bad, looks like the #1 option might work but #2 is way off.
Option 1 is within 2 miles of Wayawanda State Park. Any chance of parking in the State Park? Might be better for the vehicles. I'm checking the parks website for parking options ... but if anyone has it at the top of their head ... chime in.

[sasquatch2014]

There is parking along the road at mile 2.2 into NJ not sure how good a road this is it looks pretty seconday and then again there is also parking at mile 3.6 just before the park on a small lot. the park itself is at mile 3.9 down a blue blaze and you must registar and pay for parking. Not sure if the lot gets locked or not.

[sasquatch2014]

Did you guys see the shot that I posted today of the rock hopping on Longs peak? makes anything we do on the next trip simple. Check it out.

[doggiebag]

Did you guys see the shot that I posted today of the rock hopping on Longs peak? makes anything we do on the next trip simple. Check it out.
Impressive. Though does it have the world famous rattle snake breeding program that the Pennsylvanians are known for?

[wrongway_08]

Nice! ........ Not enough snow for my hiking style :) LOL

[sasquatch2014]

This was late July I don't even want to think of it in the winter. I know that there are people who do it though but that is a whole different breed of cat.

[river1]

Hey, I know this area some.. The elk pen to wildcat shelter is about 10 miles with a bit of elevation change including "agony grind" and you can imagine why they call it that.. better eat a big breakfast for this one.. from wildcat shelter to wawayanda state park is about 12 miles thru NY Cat rocks and eastern pinnacles, plenty of opportunity for pain if we are not careful.. all that being said it’s going to one hell of an outing.. Anybody want some marinated venison over an open fire?

[doggiebag]

Hey, I know this area some.. The elk pen to wildcat shelter is about 10 miles with a bit of elevation change including "agony grind" and you can imagine why they call it that.. better eat a big breakfast for this one.. from wildcat shelter to wawayanda state park is about 12 miles thru NY Cat rocks and eastern pinnacles, plenty of opportunity for pain if we are not careful.. all that being said it’s going to one hell of an outing.. Anybody want some marinated venison over an open fire?
Ummm - I'll take a chop. I can't wait either.

[sasquatch2014]

Jerky jerky jerky!

[LastHonestFool]

could ya'll push this back to the LATER dates in Jan? I'll likely be able to get off work then
I'll try to come either way, but the later Jan idea would be ideal for me

[doggiebag]

could ya'll push this back to the LATER dates in Jan? I'll likely be able to get off work then
I'll try to come either way, but the later Jan idea would be ideal for me
What dates are you available for a trip?

[wrongway_08]

I have to stick with these dates, wont be able to rearrange my dates now.

[doggiebag]

I have to stick with these dates, wont be able to rearrange my dates now.
Oh I agree. No question about that ... I was just seeing if he had some dates that I can work with on the weekends. The C&O canal is under a half hour from me and it stretches for something like 185 miles. It's another resource that is available close by in case LHF needed to stretch his legs. After getting the fixed date from everyone I wouldn't shake the schedule.

[sasquatch2014]

Are you guys still looking at a trip later in the month as well? That may work I think you were talking the northern Shen.

[wrongway_08]

Yea, I am working on that trip also. Need to get the final details set up. Dates are getting close, quick.

[wrongway_08]

Moving this up so people dont miss it :)

Okay, lets do:

1) NY trip - Jan 10,11,12 (19.5 miles total, including trailheads)


Filling in as we get more info,
JAN 10 Meet at first vehicle drop off point, by 8:30
JAN 10 meet at 9am to start hike
HOW TO GET THERE: Follow N.J. Route 17 north to the New York State Thruway and take the first exit, Exit 15A (Sloatsburg). Turn left at the bottom of the ramp onto N.Y. Route 17 north. Continue on Route 17 through the villages of Sloatsburg, Tuxedo and Southfields. About two miles north of Southfields, turn right onto Arden Valley Road. Cross the bridge over the New York State Thruway, then make the first right at a sign “Hikers’ Trailhead Parking.” Park in the dirt parking area to the west of a large meadow, known as the Elk Pen.
JAN 11 Hike South to
JAN 12 Finish South to NJ line,

Whos in:
-Sasquatch
-Wrongway (& Hudson ?) - Pick up truck, squeeze in 2 people and a dog or 2.
-Doggiebag & Aldo - pick up truck, 1 person and a dog.
-Slamajama
-River1
-Saimyoji ?
- A-Train ?
- Kayak karl ?

2) Shenandoahs - Jan 17,18,19,20 - South Bound from the Northern End of the Shenandoahs.

Whos in:
- Wrongway (& Hudson ?)
-Doggiebag & Aldo
-Daks 19,20th
-Saimyoji ?
- Kayak karl ?
- JayBird62 ?



Also if going PM me the following:
- Name
- Cell phone number if you have one or home number
- type/color vehicle your driving - had a waiting problem cause we didnt do this last time!

Only ones who will be given this info, if needed, are the others joining us this hike - unless you say not to.

I will pm you back my info also.

[wrongway_08]

Looking at the Shenandoah trip, the milage inbetween the shelters is pretty far, I am think around 7 or 8 miles a day would be comfy for everyone. Can we camp outside the shelter areas?

[doggiebag]

Yes we can camp outside "huts" (that's what they call shelters in the park). It's not as regulated as the Smokies. There are minimum distances from huts, cabins ...trails etc. that we need to comply with and there's a few designated "no camping areas". There shouldn't be an issue in finding sites.

[wrongway_08]

Shenandoah Park - North end. 35 miles worth.
Green dotted line should be A.T. :)

https://cms.ner.nps.gov/shen/planyourvisit/upload/north.jpg

[doggiebag]

Visit http://earth.google.com and play with the site. It's pretty helpful for us hikers. I'm just starting to play with the site. Check it out. Just download their free application and run. I think it's worth it ... if you already have it - disregard.

[wrongway_08]

Weird, I went to look at the map I posted ealier and this time I had to right click on the small box, hit "show photo" and then hit yes on the security question. Anyone else have this happen?

[doggiebag]

It did it the first time. It works fine now. Here's the type of detail you can get from Google earth. Shown below is Old Rag Mountain at the SNP.
http://www.visualizationsoftware.com/3dem/jpeg/oldrag6.jpg

[doggiebag]

That is strange ... now you're map is missing.

[wrongway_08]

Google is cool, I am still learning........I am Old School - this new tech crap is s-l-o-w-l-y growing on me :)


**seems you have to right click everytime you get off the site. Not sure why. Oh well.......thats new tech for yea :)

[doggiebag]

Hey we all have to adapt. Amazing stuff though. It even has the sky view of where ever you place yourself on Google earth. Are you ever going to post your pictures of the last trip?

[wrongway_08]

I need to download them to photobucket, then post on here. Need to dig out that cable, will get them up Thursday for you all.

[wrongway_08]

Moving this up so people dont miss it :)

Okay, lets do:

1) NY trip - Jan 10,11,12 (19.5 miles total, including trailheads)


Filling in as we get more info,
JAN 10 Meet at first vehicle drop off point, by 8:30
JAN 10 meet at 9am to start hike
HOW TO GET THERE: Follow N.J. Route 17 north to the New York State Thruway and take the first exit, Exit 15A (Sloatsburg). Turn left at the bottom of the ramp onto N.Y. Route 17 north. Continue on Route 17 through the villages of Sloatsburg, Tuxedo and Southfields. About two miles north of Southfields, turn right onto Arden Valley Road. Cross the bridge over the New York State Thruway, then make the first right at a sign “Hikers’ Trailhead Parking.” Park in the dirt parking area to the west of a large meadow, known as the Elk Pen.
JAN 11 Hike South to
JAN 12 Finish South to NJ line,

Whos in:
-Sasquatch
-Wrongway (& Hudson ?) - Pick up truck, squeeze in 2 people and a dog or 2.
-Doggiebag & Aldo - pick up truck, 1 person and a dog.
-Slamajama
-River1- 2001 black dodge dakota truck with a cap.
-Saimyoji ?
- A-Train ?
- Kayak karl ?

2) Shenandoahs - Jan 17,18,19,20 - South Bound from the Northern End of the Shenandoahs.

Whos in:
- Wrongway (& Hudson ?)
-Doggiebag & Aldo
-Daks 19,20th
-Saimyoji ?
- Kayak karl ?
- JayBird62 ?



Also if going PM me the following:
- Name
- Cell phone number if you have one or home number
- type/color vehicle your driving - had a waiting problem cause we didnt do this last time!

Only ones who will be given this info, if needed, are the others joining us this hike - unless you say not to.

I will pm you back my info also.

[sasquatch2014]

Are you guys doing the motel thing the night before? I would be up for forking down a big breakfast before the meeting time if you are game.

[doggiebag]

The motel thing is still up in the air. But even if we just drove straight through ... I'm willing to do a greasy spoon joint before hitting the trail. I don't mind driving in early. Just do a recon of someplace not too far out of the way. Unless you already have a place in mind.

[sasquatch2014]

Yeah I'll find us a place to chow down. I plan on trying to maybe do a drop at some of the road crossings if I can depending on where we plan to camp of some firewood etc.

[doggiebag]

Don't worry about the firewood. Save your back for the hike. It'll give us something to do once we make camp. Besides you have a nose for ferreting out good wood anyway. Just noticed your recent upload of your time out west. Nice pictures.

[sasquatch2014]

I just came across some old photo's and have been scanning stuff to save them digitaly and thought what the hell I'll post em as well. This last one was taken mid summer at about 12,000 ft.

[doggiebag]

My next goal is mountaineering those big mountains. I can do technical climbs of up to 5.7 the last time I roped up. I'm hoping on bagging a couple of big peaks within a couple of years. The AT is good training ground.

[A-Train]

Can someone spell out the itinerary for the NY hike by day? You guys are starting to hike on friday morning after you drop off the cars? I probably can't get out till fri night or sat morning, so i'll probably just catch up to you along the way.

[A-Train]

I just checked the dates. thursday, friday and saturday? Sorry, i'm very confused. You guys are starting to hike on thursday morn??

[doggiebag]

I hope you can make it. It's a slow moving group.

[A-Train]

But what day are you starting??

[doggiebag]

I'm starting on January 10 - boots on the trail at 9 am.

[A-Train]

Oh man, okay. I didn't realize this was gonna be a thursday-friday-sat. If I can't get off it probably doesn't make sense to come out for just part of saturday, being this section is almost 2 hrs from NYC. I'll keep you guys posted, hope I can make it

[sasquatch2014]

My next goal is mountaineering those big mountains. I can do technical climbs of up to 5.7 the last time I roped up. I'm hoping on bagging a couple of big peaks within a couple of years. The AT is good training ground.
I have a book on the 54 14,000ft peaks in Colorado. Most of these do not require any rock skills more than what you have done on the AT. I'll try to find the picture of when I came up from Pikes peak as the clouds were setting in. That is a cool shot.

[sasquatch2014]

Not sure what the cell reception will be through here but if you want get a couple of cell numbers and we can tell you where we are and meet up with us. I see you are over in Brooklyn too bad you aren't on this side of the city that would save you an hour.

[river1]

Hey, I know this area real well, so if you want I could recomend a greasy spoon and set up some drops at some of the road crossings.. Just let me know.. Cell service is good throughout most of this area.. Also that NJ stateline trail is a bit like a ski slope this time of year.. We might need to ride our packs like toboggans down it.. Fortunatley for us at the bottom of the trail there is a busy road, a boat marina full of sharp objects and a mostly frozen lake full of stumps to break our fall..

[doggiebag]

Hey, I know this area real well, so if you want I could recomend a greasy spoon and set up some drops at some of the road crossings.. Just let me know.. Cell service is good throughout most of this area.. Also that NJ stateline trail is a bit like a ski slope this time of year.. We might need to ride our packs like toboggans down it.. Fortunatley for us at the bottom of the trail there is a busy road, a boat marina full of sharp objects and a mostly frozen lake full of stumps to break our fall..
The possibility of getting squashed like a possum on a busy road and or impaled under frozen ice by debri with the final reward of greasy diner food? What are waiting for? Let's go!

[sasquatch2014]

Hey, I know this area real well, so if you want I could recomend a greasy spoon and set up some drops at some of the road crossings.. Just let me know.. Cell service is good throughout most of this area.. Also that NJ stateline trail is a bit like a ski slope this time of year.. We might need to ride our packs like toboggans down it.. Fortunatley for us at the bottom of the trail there is a busy road, a boat marina full of sharp objects and a mostly frozen lake full of stumps to break our fall..

Wow you were not even on the last trip that some of us did but you are already think like us. Perfect. Also keep in mind that if it looks dangerous we let Wrongway go first.

[sasquatch2014]

River is there a Denny's or the like cheap and plenty of food there in Harriman/Monroe.

[river1]

Places for lunch and dinner are no problem but with breakfast is another story.. There are a couple of diners close by, one is the Bright Star Diner, about 2 miles north from the Elk pen aka trail head on route 32... It might be a little high class for us cause its got lights and running water but I think we should go for it..

[doggiebag]

Places for lunch and dinner are no problem but with breakfast is another story.. There are a couple of diners close by, one is the Bright Star Diner, about 2 miles north from the Elk pen aka trail head on route 32... It might be a little high class for us cause its got lights and running water but I think we should go for it..
Sounds great! All I have to do is get my ankle monitoring device hooked up to the neighbors cat the night before the hike ... and I should be able to meet you gentlemen on the date mentioned.

[wrongway_08]

River1, where is the best spot to park vehicles at the end point? (NJ/NY) state line?

I'll bring a sled for the last hill, wouldnt want my pack getting torn up :)

[doggiebag]

River1, where is the best spot to park vehicles at the end point? (NJ/NY) state line?

I'll bring a sled for the last hill, wouldnt want my pack getting torn up :)

Rick ... check out this spoof I made for the next hiking trip. It'll be a Survivorman theme video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiErrX6Tx-s

Tha's the preliminary trailer. Pretty funny huh?

[wrongway_08]

That is cool, need the flare up from the fire :) - when it finally cought.
Notice as soon as I poured the gas on the fire - Aldo took off? Hes a lot smarter then I am :)

[doggiebag]

That is cool, need the flare up from the fire :) - when it finally cought.
Notice as soon as I poured the gas on the fire - Aldo took off? Hes a lot smarter then I am :)
That's why I put the clip in there ... you noticed that too - the little poo's a genius. By the time the fire flared up ... he was already at a safe distance.

[wrongway_08]

Ordered a snow suit in for the pooch, has removable legs and hood. Got it off e-bay store, was really cheap but the store has good reviews. Figure if its not that nice I can at least use it as a template when I make him one.

Guess now he is comming, so much for a hotel room the night before the hike :( .

[doggiebag]

The boots I got for Aldo are a .25 inches too big ... so I orderd the smalls instead of the medium. No big thing. The snow suit's probably a good idea for Hudson. By the way check out my latest pulp ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkLFi543jv8

[wrongway_08]

I was thinking of the same shoes for hudson - Ruff Wear, Its reeeeaallly funny when the dogs are getting used to them - they walk funny!!!

[wrongway_08]

Cool snake video, was that a rattler Aldo was goofing with? We will have to have a Rattler catch off some day - see who can catch the most in 4 hours. It'll kill some time while being bored around camp :)

Never mind, looking at the video again it looks to skinny to be a rattler - the one Aldo is goofing with, cant see the markings well enough to tell what kind it is.

[Jaybird62]

Is anyone still planning on doing the shenendoah hike?? If so- when where? front royal-southbound?- Dont think I can make the new york trip-but would like to meet up with you all for a trip some time. I have done some multiple day hikes on the a.t. as of lately, but it would be cool to share with some others,

[sasquatch2014]

My kids think that I am stupid for hiking in the winter. then they saw the video of you paying with the snake. my daughter looked at me and said "Well dad looks like you are in good company." You know I get the feeling that this was not said as a compliment to either of us Doggiebag. Your still in the clear Wrongway she has not seen footage of your Jetboil warming methods or your fire lighting skills with alcohol.

[DAKS]

Is anyone still planning on doing the shenendoah hike?? If so- when where? front royal-southbound?- Dont think I can make the new york trip-but would like to meet up with you all for a trip some time. I have done some multiple day hikes on the a.t. as of lately, but it would be cool to share with some others,

i'm still in for SNP jan. 19 and 20! not sure about all the details yet?!

[wrongway_08]

Yea, the SNP is still a go.
I am tryn to find good spots for the trucks now.

Being that I dont know everyones skill level I am looking at daily milage, around 7 miles I am guessing now (should be snow so i am leaving extra time to account for that)

Looks like there will be a long day (12 miles?)so we can be semi close to a road for Dak to meet us on the 19th.

If you all want more miles, let me know, I will up them.

[wrongway_08]

Moving this up so people dont miss it :)

Okay, lets do:

1) NY trip - Jan 10,11,12 (19.5 miles total, including trailheads)


Filling in as we get more info,
JAN 10 Meet at first vehicle drop off point, by 8:30
JAN 10 meet at 9am to start hike
HOW TO GET THERE: Follow N.J. Route 17 north to the New York State Thruway and take the first exit, Exit 15A (Sloatsburg). Turn left at the bottom of the ramp onto N.Y. Route 17 north. Continue on Route 17 through the villages of Sloatsburg, Tuxedo and Southfields. About two miles north of Southfields, turn right onto Arden Valley Road. Cross the bridge over the New York State Thruway, then make the first right at a sign “Hikers’ Trailhead Parking.” Park in the dirt parking area to the west of a large meadow, known as the Elk Pen.
JAN 11 Hike South to
JAN 12 Finish South to NJ line,

Whos in:
-Sasquatch
-Wrongway & Hudson - Pick up truck, squeeze in 2 people and a dog or 2.
-Doggiebag & Aldo - pick up truck, 1 person and a dog.
-Slamajama
-River1- 2001 black dodge dakota truck with a cap.
- Tinker - Red Honda Accord
-Saimyoji ?
- A-Train ?
- Kayak karl ?


2) Shenandoahs - Jan 17,18,19,20 - South Bound from the Northern End of the Shenandoahs.
- about 30 miles total, depends how hte roads for start and finish line up.


Whos in:
- Wrongway (& Hudson ?) - white S10 stepside
-Doggiebag & Aldo - Pickup truck
-Daks 19,20th
- LastHonestfool - Black/green car
-Saimyoji ?
- Kayak karl ?
- JayBird62 ?



Also if going PM me the following:
- Name
- Cell phone number if you have one or home number
- type/color vehicle your driving - had a waiting problem cause we didnt do this last time!

Only ones who will be given this info, if needed, are the others joining us this hike - unless you say not to.

I will pm you back my info also.
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[DAKS]

i liked the original itinerary for SNP that ended at Milam Gap! i could hike into rock spring from Milam Gap on sat. and then shuttle all y'alls back on sunday. or, i'm pretty much up for anything north of hawksbill/rockspring since i haven't hiked any further north than hawksbill? i'm good with just about anything in SNP "fosho". i'm open to others suggestions? don't go out of yer' way to do a big mile day to accomodate me! i'll meet you wherever on sat.!!! i'll be the guy in the multi-colored ski suit and goggles! you can't miss me!!!:D

[doggiebag]

Yea, the SNP is still a go.
I am tryn to find good spots for the trucks now.

Being that I dont know everyones skill level I am looking at daily milage, around 7 miles I am guessing now (should be snow so i am leaving extra time to account for that)

Looks like there will be a long day (12 miles?)so we can be semi close to a road for Dak to meet us on the 19th.

If you all want more miles, let me know, I will up them.

Those mileages are fine. No need to up them.

[wrongway_08]

- We need to find a drop off point at the South end of the trail for the NY trip. Someone mentioned they new this area but never posted about a good spot to leave the vehicles. Other then this i think we are good to go.

** Need to get plans for the SNP trip going.
I am looking at the maps now - tryn to figure on around 30 miles for the whole trip.
- Need a place close to the road for the 19th, so Daks can meet up with us.

Will get both trip plans posted for and done by this weekend. Throw in your ideas if you got any :).

[wrongway_08]

Dang you all type fast, we will keep the miles as they are for both trips.

Daks, when I get a better map of the roads and figure out the miles between the roads I try to make it line up for you/us.


*** forgot, what direction are you all comming from - both trips?

Just tryn to figure out who can leave the vehicles where.

I live South of NY trip
------ North of SNP trip

[DAKS]

yeah, no worries! i figured i would hike in from somewhere(?) on sat. heading north to meet you guys. we would then possibly hike out going south on sunday am so that we could shuttle back using my car? just an idea! i'll get back with you later! have a good one!

[river1]

I am working on a vehicle drop off point at the south end of the NY trip.. I'll get back to you asap..


- We need to find a drop off point at the South end of the trail for the NY trip. Someone mentioned they new this area but never posted about a good spot to leave the vehicles. Other then this i think we are good to go.

** Need to get plans for the SNP trip going.
I am looking at the maps now - tryn to figure on around 30 miles for the whole trip.
- Need a place close to the road for the 19th, so Daks can meet up with us.

Will get both trip plans posted for and done by this weekend. Throw in your ideas if you got any :).

[wrongway_08]

Never mind the post that was here..... looking at the map wrong. Was thinking the big red line was the main trail..... duaaaa it was the Blueridge parkway :eek: :D ..... too long of a day.

Will go get a better map of the trails and figure this out.

[wrongway_08]

I am working on a vehicle drop off point at the south end of the NY trip.. I'll get back to you asap..

Thank you :D ..... I keep looking at maps and finding no roads close to the area. Of course these maps dont show a lot of the back roads.

[LastHonestFool]

I'm in for the SNP trip, can't make the ny trip unfortunately :(

[wrongway_08]

I'm in for the SNP trip, can't make the ny trip unfortunately :(

Thats a bummer, I'll dump my dinner on the floor to honer your MIA status....:D

[LastHonestFool]

LOL, 'preciate it buddy

[wrongway_08]

Pretty cool link for road maps - does not show the AT on it..... bummer but at least it gives a good look at all roads and courts. Doesnt show parking areas either. Oh well getting closer to finding drop off points for the vehicles.

http://communitylink.com/us/va/frontroyal/map/city?

[Tinker]

I'm in!

Should I bring a tent, tarp, or hammock? Maybe you guys should vote on it! :-?

[wrongway_08]

:eek: :sun I vote Tarp tent, this way I'm not the only idiot tryn to hammer stakes into a frozen ground!!!!

[doggiebag]

:eek: :sun I vote Tarp tent, this way I'm not the only idiot tryn to hammer stakes into a frozen ground!!!!
I'm bringing a tent. The last time I used a tarp up north late in the season ... it got should I say - uncomfortable? :eek: ... let the dead pool begin!

[sasquatch2014]

Well you all know that I'll be hanging. I figure it cant be any colder than last time right (Wink Wink).

[doggiebag]

Man it got so cold I had to look to make sure my hands were still there ... the problem was not that they were numb. The problem was they were not listening to the brain at all. It was impossible to get them to do anything that involved detailed movement ... try lighting a match in those temperatures. Ugggh! I'm getting me some better gloves for the NY trip. Fun fun!

[sasquatch2014]

Man your talking like NY is up in New England or something. This is still considered the Mid-Atlantic states. I understand from one of the maintainers that the big problem they have had on this section lately is keeping up with all the falling coconuts its truley tropical.

[sasquatch2014]

has anyone had issues uploading photos the last few days?

[doggiebag]

I haven't tried. I haven't seen anything uploaded recently either.

[doggiebag]

has anyone had issues uploading photos the last few days?
I just tried. Yes - there seems to be something wrong. I'll just wait until I see someone else's pictures get uploaded. I don't feel like having multiple copies of the same picture up there ... just in case.

[river1]

Some progress concerning vehicle drop off points in NY.. There is a small parking area that will hold 3-4 vehicles at the end of the state line trail in NJ.. I was there today and it is not maintained at all.. Meaning it is a least a 10% grade and was a sheet of ice 6" thick so if the weather warms up some we will be ok parking there.. If it stays cold we will have to park at the Route 17a AT trail crossing lot and if this is the case we should do the trek south to north ending at arden ny..



Thank you :D ..... I keep looking at maps and finding no roads close to the area. Of course these maps dont show a lot of the back roads.

[wrongway_08]

Sounds like a plan.
Why would we want to do south to north?
If you would write down some directions to this spot - nothing fancy just to give some kinda general location. Lets try for the first parking spot. 3-4 vehicles should be fine.

I'll bring some cat litter or small gravel for traction to get in the parking area.

Hitting up REI Saturday to get the good maps of Shenandoah and find parking spots.

[doggiebag]

I always look at the worst case scenario. That being the case, I'll go with River1's reccomendation. NOBO ... I just don't see it warming up anytime soon. He does have local knowledge.

[doggiebag]

Sounds like a plan.
Why would we want to do south to north?
If you would write down some directions to this spot - nothing fancy just to give some kinda general location. Lets try for the first parking spot. 3-4 vehicles should be fine.

I'll bring some cat litter or small gravel for traction to get in the parking area.

Hitting up REI Saturday to get the good maps of Shenandoah and find parking spots.
The local REI here in College Park has their yearly "attic sale" going on this weekend. I'm swinging by to check the goodies ... they have used stuff as well.

[wrongway_08]

What difference would it be going NOBO? We still need to park vehicles at both ends and then shuttle back and forth.

Its all good to me, as long as we go hiking, just dont see what difference it would make starting NOBO or SOBO.

[doggiebag]

What difference would it be going NOBO? We still need to park vehicles at both ends and then shuttle back and forth.

Its all good to me, as long as we go hiking, just dont see what difference it would make starting NOBO or SOBO.
I'm assuming River1 is helping us avoid parking in a crappy area. It looks like instead of starting at NJ we start at NY and head north avoiding NJ altogether. I'm fine with it. It's all good.

[wrongway_08]

AAAAhhhhh, okay - if it was a rattle snake, I'd be in trouble!!!!!

[river1]

I will check out the stateline parking area on 1/9.. If the weather remains the same as its been we may be able to get 1 or 2 four wheel drive vehicles in the lot.. the reason to go NOBO is, if we have to park at ny 17A the nj state line trail lot is just 5 miles away by road so we just shuttle to the NJ trail head.. The ny arden parking spot is like 18 miles away so its really just a time thing.. Lets hike instead of driving around.. So we should meet in Arden ny, leave some vehicles, go to the greasy spoon and dine, head to the state line trail and hike.. You can look up Greenwood lake NY on mapquest, there area two main roads in this area route 210 and route 17a.. The lake is a 10 mile long lake half in ny half in nj.. The nj stateline line trail head is right by the greenwood lake marina on route 210.. The 17a parking area is about 2 miles north west of the village of greenwood lake..


What difference would it be going NOBO? We still need to park vehicles at both ends and then shuttle back and forth.

Its all good to me, as long as we go hiking, just dont see what difference it would make starting NOBO or SOBO.

[doggiebag]

AAAAhhhhh, okay - if it was a rattle snake, I'd be in trouble!!!!!
Aldo's got the snakes. You ladies don't have a thing to worry about.

[Tinker]

I'm going to need an address to mapquest the trailhead lot we'll be leaving from.

Also, is it customary on these hikes to bring a favorite dish to share?

Are fires allowed at the campsites we'll be using.

If so, I can make up some of the marinated beef that my wife uses in her semi-famous beef stew and we can cook it over the fire on skewers.

[wrongway_08]

"Also, is it customary on these hikes to bring a favorite dish to share?"

Not customary but I bring along extra amounts of snacks just incase someone would like to have some. Beef stew might be a bit heavy to pack in for everyone... :)

[wrongway_08]

My trucks 2wd - My Jeep needs new hubs/trans mount/driveshaft fixed, love rock crawling and muddn but boy does it tear a vehicle apart!!!

If needed I can get that 2wd drive to slide into the parking space.

[doggiebag]

"Also, is it customary on these hikes to bring a favorite dish to share?"

Not customary but I bring along extra amounts of snacks just incase someone would like to have some. Beef stew might be a bit heavy to pack in for everyone... :)
Agreed. More than likely Wmost folks will be concerned with setting up camp and getting dryed/warmed up. e probably won't have time for a "pot luck" sit down type of setting. It's more like gather firewood, boil some water and pour it in something that rehydrates. We'll be more concerned with trying to make the miles and trying to be as comfortable and warm/dry. I'm getting some maps together that I can upload online of the areas that we'll be covering. I do have some online maps (topographic) that shows the areas we'll be hiking in.

[wrongway_08]

I looked for the maps, REI did not have the ones I needed. I did see some of the guide book/map combos and they have the info I need, parking spaces...eat spots and water areas but not for the sections we are doing......:mad: . Put a ad up on the buyn gear section, maybe someone has them and can ship them out to me Monday.

Also I picked up some Ruff Wear shoes for Hudson (dog.. dua...:) ), they fit good and he did the idiot dance.... four feet going every direction.... then the first few times he tried to run he fell and rolled head over butt!!! Great fun to watch - :D !

Also bought him a pack but it was a size too big so I need to return it Sunday.

Anyways, still looking for a trail head for the Shenandoahs... there is some road side parking a few miles before the park but it seems right next to the road... not to hot on that idea.

Damn it, just want to get this B.S. outta the way and go hiking :sun

[doggiebag]

I looked for the maps, REI did not have the ones I needed. I did see some of the guide book/map combos and they have the info I need, parking spaces...eat spots and water areas but not for the sections we are doing......:mad: . Put a ad up on the buyn gear section, maybe someone has them and can ship them out to me Monday.

Also I picked up some Ruff Wear shoes for Hudson (dog.. dua...:) ), they fit good and he did the idiot dance.... four feet going every direction.... then the first few times he tried to run he fell and rolled head over butt!!! Great fun to watch - :D !

Also bought him a pack but it was a size too big so I need to return it Sunday.

Anyways, still looking for a trail head for the Shenandoahs... there is some road side parking a few miles before the park but it seems right next to the road... not to hot on that idea.

Damn it, just want to get this B.S. outta the way and go hiking :sun
Nothing wrong with measuring twice :) - I'll see what I can come up with using the online maps. I got Aldo's Ruff Wear boots (the right size) in the mail today. I immediately took him for a run in the woods ... which made him forget the boots. I'll only put it on him when the terrain looks rough or too icy (I dont want to spoil him anymore than he is). It's been a mild winter so far here in Central Maryland. Let's hope it's similar in NY. I went to REI as well ... nothing for me to pick up ... though I'm still eyeballing some crampons on Ebay.

[Alligator]

What section of the park are you doing? I have the maps and have done the middle and northern sections of SNP. I might be able to help you find a parking area or you could PM Skyline. He runs a shuttle service through there and ought to be able to tell you where to park.

[wrongway_08]

Looking to start somewhere near the North end and head south into the park, total of about 30 miles for this trip.

I will PM Skyline - thanks for your help! :)

[Alligator]

You may already know this but I'll mention it. The Park Service will close Skyline Drive in snow conditions. They closed it when I went through, right around this time of year. So you want to avoid any parking along Skyline Drive as it could be a hassle to get your car out.

My buddy and I got shuttled from Rt 522 to Thornton Gap/Panorama. The parking is fine at Panorama, but I don't recollect it being too good at 522. My map says "shoulder parking". This distance was 28 miles. There's a blue blaze trail south of 522, 2 miles south, that leads to the Northern VA 4H Center. I think you can park there. You may need to call them. Your trip would be about 26+ miles then.

Also, you can pick up a permit at Panorama, but I'd double check this with the park just to be sure. It was a self service station.

[sasquatch2014]

River do you have the name of the Marina it is right by the State Line trail. Given the season they may let us leave a car or two there if we ask ahead of time.

I have the maps for the section so I can try to make a copy if you need one Wrongway. I drove up the Thruway today on my way back from Philly and it was 47 degrees so it may melt some of the ice no real snow to speak of on the ground right now at that end anyway. All of this can change the day before.

Can't wait we are in the count down. Wife still thinks I am nuts. No comments if i show up with a helmet on you will know it was part of the deal to get a hall pass.

[doggiebag]

Being one with the "Short bus" does help get you the kitchen pass for the festivities. I'm sure the wife will allow you to join us as long as she thinks the hiking is helping with your condition. If she thinks you are well ... she may revoke the pass. Then you need to soil yourself again.

[sasquatch2014]

Periods of snow, mainly after 10pm. Low around 26. Calm wind becoming northeast between 4 and 7 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New snow accumulation of 3 to 5 inches possible.

this is the latest from NOAA for this coming Sunday night. the temps through atleast the first few days into the new year do not go above 30. This is for my area but will be similar down closer to our area. Sounds just right for a hike.

[astrogirl]

You may already know this but I'll mention it. The Park Service will close Skyline Drive in snow conditions. They closed it when I went through, right around this time of year. So you want to avoid any parking along Skyline Drive as it could be a hassle to get your car out.

My buddy and I got shuttled from Rt 522 to Thornton Gap/Panorama. The parking is fine at Panorama, but I don't recollect it being too good at 522. My map says "shoulder parking". This distance was 28 miles. There's a blue blaze trail south of 522, 2 miles south, that leads to the Northern VA 4H Center. I think you can park there. You may need to call them. Your trip would be about 26+ miles then.

Also, you can pick up a permit at Panorama, but I'd double check this with the park just to be sure. It was a self service station.

I live near Front Royal. The shoulder parking is a large area, and there are usually other cars there on weekends. I've never left my car there overnight, but many, many people do. If you can park at the 4H it will save you some not very interesting trail and your car won't be on 522.

Officially, there is parking at the dead end on 601 and a side trail up to the AT near Tom Floyd wayside. I've only parked there for day hiking.

I would absolutely hike with y'all, but I will be out of town. :(

There are two other places that are very nice. First, the relo just south of US 50 is beautiful. The trail there used to be pretty bland, but it's been moved to a more open ridge with lovely views. My favorite local place is just south of VA55 before Denton Shelter. There's a gorgeous meadow on top of the big hill/small mountain there. I just hiked up there today, in fact.

I almost never day hike in the park unless I really need to get out and some hunting season just opened. I just like the trail around Linden better than the north section of the park.

[doggiebag]

I live near Front Royal. The shoulder parking is a large area, and there are usually other cars there on weekends. I've never left my car there overnight, but many, many people do. If you can park at the 4H it will save you some not very interesting trail and your car won't be on 522.

Officially, there is parking at the dead end on 601 and a side trail up to the AT near Tom Floyd wayside. I've only parked there for day hiking.

I would absolutely hike with y'all, but I will be out of town. :(

There are two other places that are very nice. First, the relo just south of US 50 is beautiful. The trail there used to be pretty bland, but it's been moved to a more open ridge with lovely views. My favorite local place is just south of VA55 before Denton Shelter. There's a gorgeous meadow on top of the big hill/small mountain there. I just hiked up there today, in fact.

I almost never day hike in the park unless I really need to get out and some hunting season just opened. I just like the trail around Linden better than the north section of the park.
Great points. Thanks for the info. Astrogirl does make sense now that I look back on my hike thru the Shenandoahs ... if we stayed outside of the park we will not have any restrictions with regards to camping and it would be the real AT as opposed to the National Park's version of the trail. There seems to be more parking options and no likelyhood of road closures. This might be something worth looking into to ... it's not too late to readjust the plans. Something to think about.

[wrongway_08]

I was kinda thinking the same thing, doing the 30 miles North of the Park. Seems to be more parking and none of the headaches involved with possible road closings in the park.

[wrongway_08]

Moving this up so people dont miss it :)

Okay, lets do:

1) NY trip - Jan 10,11,12 (19.5 miles total, including trailheads)

JAN 10 Meet at first vehicle drop off point, by 8:30
This is the first meet place:
HOW TO GET THERE: Follow N.J. Route 17 north to the New York State Thruway and take the first exit, Exit 15A (Sloatsburg). Turn left at the bottom of the ramp onto N.Y. Route 17 north. Continue on Route 17 through the villages of Sloatsburg, Tuxedo and Southfields. About two miles north of Southfields, turn right onto Arden Valley Road. Cross the bridge over the New York State Thruway, then make the first right at a sign “Hikers’ Trailhead Parking.” Park in the dirt parking area to the west of a large meadow, known as the Elk Pen.
***We will then go as a group and eat (if you want) at the Greasy Spoon.****
####We will then drive South to the state line and start hiking North#####
JAN 11 Hike North to
JAN 12 Finish North to Elk Pen Park and our vehicles.

Whos in:
-Sasquatch
-Wrongway & Hudson - Pick up truck, squeeze in 2 people and a dog or 2.
-Doggiebag & Aldo - pick up truck, 1 person and a dog.
-Slamajama
-River1- 2001 black dodge dakota truck with a cap.
- Tinker - Red Honda Accord
-Saimyoji ?
- A-Train ?
- Kayak karl ?


2) Shenandoahs - Jan 17,18,19,20 - NORTH Bound from the Northern End of the Shenandoahs, this is so we dont have to worry about the Parks roads closing on us.
- about 30 miles total, depends how the roads for start and finish line up.


Whos in:
- Wrongway (& Hudson ?) - white S10 stepside
-Doggiebag & Aldo - Pickup truck
-Daks 19,20th - White Outback
- LastHonestfool - Black/green car
-Saimyoji ?
- Kayak karl ?
- JayBird62 ?



Also if going PM me the following:
- Name
- Cell phone number if you have one or home number
- type/color vehicle your driving - had a waiting problem cause we didnt do this last time!

Only ones who will be given this info, if needed, are the others joining us this hike - unless you say not to.

I will pm you back my info also.

[wrongway_08]

If you guys and gals know, post if you will be meeting:
1) at the start point
2) at the end point to drop your vehicle there or help shuttle others to the start point.

Thanks,
Rick

[Tinker]

Would it be a good idea for folks who don't know the area to meet at the "greasy spoon" for breakfast and then decide which end would be better for each one to park? Right now, with the posts alternating between the NY and Shenandoah trips, I'm confused as to whether we're hiking nobo or sobo, and it sounds as though the parking situations at the termini are uncertain. Without maps I have no idea how tough the hiking is going to be (though weather conditions will have a great deal of impact on that) or where the camping areas are, or whether there are shelters at these sites or not (shelters make it a lot easier to stay up and cook and eat after dark). Inquiring minds (at least one:rolleyes: ) want to know.
Thanks

[A-Train]

Have you guys decided where you're camping both nights? I'll like to try to meet up with everyone, but I don't think starting thursday morning is gonna be feasible for me

[wrongway_08]

1) Shenandoah trip, we will head North bound from the park so we dont have to worry about the Park's roads closing down on us.


As far as the camping goes, if just depends what we run into on the trail, we try to hit the shelters but if mother nature decides thats not going to work - we have to camp it.

[doggiebag]

1) Shenandoah trip, we will head North bound from the park so we dont have to worry about the Park's roads closing down on us.

I am really tryn to get the parking areas down but having no luck doing it without finding maps of the area. I dont like not having these details done yet but we will get it figured out shortly.
It may seem a little disorganized at the moment. But it will clear up soon enough. If you think it's disorganized now ... wait till we start losing people on the trail !:eek: That's usually a laugh riot.

[Tinker]

It may seem a little disorganized at the moment. But it will clear up soon enough. If you think it's disorganized now ... wait till we start losing people on the trail !:eek: That's usually a laugh riot.

:jump :banana

Usually is the case.

[wrongway_08]

CHECK OUT THE NEW SCHEDULE A FEW POST ABOVE!

The plans are set for the new york trip.
Heading north as River1 mention, he seems to know the area so we will go North on his advice.

Everyone Just meet at the starting point, we will drop some vehicles at that point and then eat at the Greasy Spoon. After that we will head to the Southern trail head - following River1 since he knows the way - and start the hike from that pint.

SO the NY trip is set!

Any questions, please ask now.