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Tipi Walter
04-03-2008, 18:37
MARCH 27
When the weather warms up, when family life gets to be too much, when the endless TV talk of politics elicits bleeding from the ears and eyes, and when no amount of viagra can get you excited about the indoor life at home, it's time then to grab the Uncle Fungus trail journals and pretend you give a crap about foot-trails, food sacs and fuel bottles.

I start out at Beech Gap in the Citico wilderness in TN and hike on the BMT to Snow Camp, about a six mile trek. Here I set up camp after running into 9 backpackers from Coker Creek, TN.

MARCH 28
I leave Snow Camp and climb up to Bob Bald just in time for a cold rain to make me set up the old Hilleberg Staika. On this trip I'm to met with a fellow WhiteBlazer named Envirodiver tomorrow on the Bob so I might as well stay put. I feel like I'm carrying about 4 to 5 backed-up turtleheads all in a row, I need a rectal midwife!

MARCH 29
The rain comes in earnest and I'm up under thundering skies and a wind-whipped deluge. This particular kind of weather is the stuff that repels the hardiest backpackers(forget about the dayhikers), and will keep even the most serious nylon pumpers either home or turned around back to their cars. So Momma Nature looks to me for hope, she depends on me to file a first hand field report on her most current creative act and she's happy to produce such art but she needs an audience and I'll just have to do until the real thing comes along.

ENVIRONDIVER ARRIVES: A brother backpacker from WhiteBlaze arrives on the Bob and we hit it off with tales from the nylon world of gear and places. He describes his love of the outdoors and his collection of gear and we discuss camping, backpacking and tenting in the southeast. He's carrying a smallish Gregory Z pack and has a SD Lightning wedge tent with a short REI pad. Since he works part-time at REI he knows his stuff and gets to put it to use on trips like this.

We both hit our separate tents to wait out this current rainstorm and as soon as it's over we'll both go get water at the spring. We hooked up later to get water and hung out for a late night meal before the rain forced us back into the tents.

MARCH 30
How do I explain a good backpacking day in the Citico? First off, I joined Envirodiver for morning tea by his tent and then after about an hour a WhiteBlazer with a dog passes by on the trail and yells out my name. We invite him into camp and he introduces himself as HootyHo with his dog, Rooty, another WhiteBlazer but this time from around Knoxville.

He outlined his route from Farr Gap down the Stiffknee and up the Slickrock and then up the Nutbuster Trail to Naked Ground where he camped this morning before leaving and heading up to the Bob and swinging around the giant horseshoe that runs from the Hangover all the way back around to Farr Gap. I took the necessary fotogs and we said goodbye to him.

Envirodiver and I packed up and I walked him down to the Bob tee and over to the BMT at Snow Camp where we took a short break before getting him back to his car by way of the new BMT connector to Cold Spring Gap trail and over to Cold Spring Gap. At the trailpost on #149 he turned left to Beech Gap and I turned right and walked a trail I haven't walked in 5 years. So long E!

My tent's up along the North Fork Citico creek past the 6th crossing, a place I call the Stump Site.

MARCH 31
I packed up the gear and was on the trail down the North Fork by 8 am. After 6 crossings in the crocs I rebooted down to Warden's Field and immediately hit the Pine Ridge trail up to the BMT and the Fodderstack trail. I turned left and reached Crowder Camp for the night.

CONSTANT JET NOISE: A very irritating airliner just passed overhead and it was loud! Isn't there some law prohibiting jets from flying over wilderness areas? I'm just a day-dreaming fool stuck in his dayglo hippie bubble but you'd think the price of gas and the crappy economy would shut down the nearly useless airlines.

APRIL 1
Way before sunrise a stiff wind hits the ridgetop under a starry sky, the first indication of rain. I leave Crowders on the BMT south past Mill Gap, Pine Ridge junction, Harrison Gap, Rockstack, Glenn Gap and up to Snow Camp and the Bob. Coming down the Bob to Naked Ground I meet 3 backpackers from Durham NC and we all walk to Naked, me to camp and them for water and a further hike to the Hangover to camp. I set up just as a thunder and lightning rainstorm hits the high ground.

APRIL 2
The temps turn cold on a wet and foggy predawn morning but I'm warm in the Hilleberg tent. The full light of morning brings a bright sun. What's going on?

I left Naked Ground and climbed to the Bob where I set up for a final night. Joining me later was Craig and Jenny and their boy so we all hung out together and shared dinner. I carried my food products and stove to their camp and hung for several hours until dark and said my goodbyes to get back to the tent in a cold breeze.

APRIL 3
There's a moderate wind here atop the Bob and I can see some stars above though I know the clouds are coming with rain.

Now I'm up in a terrible fog and a rough Bob wind. I hear thunder coming my way so it's time to pack up and leave. I packed up quickly and took a last look at Craig's camp and then hoofed it down the mountain back to the Unicoi Crest and Beech Gap. So ends another great trip.

FOTOGS FORTHCOMING!

Tipi Walter
04-03-2008, 18:53
Here are my first set of fotogs showing a view off Bob Bald, etc.
Taking a break on the trail.
Sitting by my dome tent on the Bob.
Envirodiver arrives on the Bob.
Setting up his tent.
Envirodiver.
Tipi and Envirodiver.

Tipi Walter
04-03-2008, 19:06
Envirodiver using his alcohol stove.
HootyHoo arrives.
HootyHoo and Rooty the dog.
The gang on the Bob.
Envirodiver backpacking off the Bob.
Getting water at a spring.

Tipi Walter
04-03-2008, 19:15
Some final shots:

Hiking off the Bob.
Crossing the North Fork Citico.
On the North Fork footbridge.
Coming out on the Cherohala Skyway.

Skidsteer
04-03-2008, 19:23
What kind of hiking staff you got there Walter? Hard to figure from the photo.

Tipi Walter
04-03-2008, 19:34
What kind of hiking staff you got there Walter? Hard to figure from the photo.

It's just a one-piece ski pole given to me as a gift from my old backpacking buddy Johnny B.

Skidsteer
04-03-2008, 19:36
It's just a one-piece ski pole given to me as a gift from my old backpacking buddy Johnny B.

Well I like it anyway. ;)

generoll
04-03-2008, 19:54
hey Walter, where's that footbridge? I've hiked up to the Bald a couple of ways, but don't recall the bridge. I've still got to hike from Big Fat up to the Bald. Another of my to-do hikes. I'd planned that this March when I went to Fires Creek and Chunky Gal instead.

Pennsylvania Rose
04-03-2008, 20:18
So how many of us wb'ers were in this same area this week? I took three of my kids to Joyce Kilmer from Sunday - Wednesday. Unfortunately, it was one of our misadventures, as my 15 yo got sick and my 6yo decided he loves hiking, as long as he doesn't have to carry anything.

We were supposed to hike up the Haoe Lead Trail, camp between Haoe and Hangover, explore the next day, then head down the Deep Creek Trail the third day. My teenagers usually hike way ahead, wait for the youngest and me, hike the rest of the way to camp, come back to help me with their brother, then explore (do they EVER run out of energy?) but at the Haoe Lead/Jenkins Meadow junction my daughter sat down and said that for the last two miles her head was about to explode and every part of her body ached. We hiked a few hundred more yards to the first flat spot and made a dry camp.

Then there was the 6 yo. He hiked from Cades Cove to the ridge of the Smokies at 4 and 5 (among other trips, but these were the most challenging). Both times he carried a little day pack. This year he wanted to be like the big kids, so I broke out his brother's old junior pack. All I put in it were his clothes and trail mix. He HATES the thing. And you can't explain to a 6 yo that sometimes you just have to grin and bear it. Or that his sister started carrying a real pack even younger and was known to run uphill with it faster than I could walk. I carried his pack some, but he whined more in two days than he has in the last 6 years combined. I think he was a little under the weather, too.

Oh, and the dog got pissed off and chewed through her leash...twice. Did I mention that my oldest child managed to break the zipper to our tent door? So we ended up sleeping in the equivalent of a very heavy tarptent. Luckily, the boy was wise enough to set the tent up with the door away from the wind - especially since it started raining in the middle of the night.

There was more to this comedy of errors, but if I admit them all someone will write a law that I can never take my kids backpacking again. I swear, I've been doing this for 18 years, and with kids in tow for almost 17 years. I can't imagine the debacle that would have ensued if my stepdaughters had changed their minds and come along.

Anyway, we hiked back down the Haoe Lead Trail the next day. We did spend some enjoyable time poking around the area - played in the creeks, hiked the Joyce Kilmer Memorial Trail (the youngest complained about the bugs, and the dog decided she doesn't like people anymore and barked at everyone), and drove part of the skyway. Oh - TW, does your car have a bunch of hiking-related bumperstickers (trailjournals and footsloger come to mind)? If so, we saw it parked at the Beech Gap trailhead. We wondered if it was someone from here.

We really did end up having fun - can you believe the miserable 6 yo, who I wanted to strangle, woke up after one night at home wanting to go back?

Sorry - I guess I kind of hijacked your thread.

Glad you enjoyed yourself, and I love your pictures. Can't wait to see the sights for myself.

Oh - I had the EXACT same thoughts about the planes. One sounded like it was about to land on us in Poplar Cove.

Cuffs
04-03-2008, 21:37
TIPI, I'll be out on the BMT end of this month, will you still be out there?

Tipi Walter
04-03-2008, 21:58
hey Walter, where's that footbridge? I've hiked up to the Bald a couple of ways, but don't recall the bridge. I've still got to hike from Big Fat up to the Bald. Another of my to-do hikes. I'd planned that this March when I went to Fires Creek and Chunky Gal instead.

The footbridge is after the start of the South Fork Citico #105 trail as it leaves the Citico road and climbs up past the old concrete blockhouse. While the South Fork goes to the right, the North Fork veers off to the left and there's the footbridge.

All the trails from the Citico side will eventually lead to the Bald, especially the South and North Forks. Pine Ridge is a little longer(gotta make a right on the Fodderstack and keep walking), even Rocky Flats/Mill Branch/Crowder trails will reach the Fodderstack ridge and a long hike to the Bob.

The Grassy Branch and the Jeffrey Hell trails just go down from the Skyway and don't get up to the bald.

Tipi Walter
04-03-2008, 22:04
TIPI, I'll be out on the BMT end of this month, will you still be out there?

There's definitely a trip planned for the end of April.

Tipi Walter
04-03-2008, 22:20
Pennsylvania Rose: I've done the Jenkins Meadow climb several times and it's one tough hill. Near the junction with Haoe Lead there's a sometimes spring with good water and right past the spring on Haoe Lead there's a great level ridgeline where I like to set up camp. I call it the Tree Graveyard cuz there's so many dead and fallen trees.

The last time I did the Jenkins up I found several little campsites along the way but let's face it, the climb is about like all the climbs in Slickrock, there's usually a gain of about 3000 feet no matter where you start, be it the Naked Ground trail, the upper Slickrock Nutbuster, the South Hangover Lead, Deep Creek, Horse Cove Ridge, etc. The Jenkins might be shorter and steeper than the others, and even then there's the Haoe Ridge trail to complete. BTW, you did see my car parked at Beech Gap.

Pennsylvania Rose
04-04-2008, 10:58
Saw the campsites right after the spring on Haoe Ridge. And, boy do I wish we had stopped there, great views, cool rocks, but no one was complaining at that point. We were definitely prepared for the climb - most of the backpacking we do involves big climb to the ridge, then big drop down. Except for the state of the trail (tons of blowdowns, briars and washed out trail) I didn't think Haoe Lead trail was too bad.

Was there a fire there at some point? Seemed like an awful lot of briars, and I saw some blackened trees. Can't wait to go back.

Magnus
04-04-2008, 22:21
Tipi,

It was great meeting you out there this week. Thanks for the info on the springs. It sounds like you got going off of Bob while we were still hoping for a break in the weather.

We totally enjoyed Joyce Kilmer. Next time, we will get into Citico - I definitely think we'll try the Beech Gap trailhead next time.

Later,
Craig

Ramble~On
04-05-2008, 03:40
:sun One of these days I'm gonna run into you again out there Tipi.
I was doing the Foothills during those dates and spent a few days without seeing the sun. Ridge walking in electrical storms with hail...priceless.
A recent windy night on the Bob followed by an even windier night at the Whigg pond has me ready to order a Hilleberg Nallo 2 GT. Their new "Soulo" is high on my want list.

Tipi Walter
04-05-2008, 11:17
Tipi,

It was great meeting you out there this week. Thanks for the info on the springs. It sounds like you got going off of Bob while we were still hoping for a break in the weather.

We totally enjoyed Joyce Kilmer. Next time, we will get into Citico - I definitely think we'll try the Beech Gap trailhead next time.

Later,
Craig

It was great running into you and the crew up on the Slickrock high ground. The morning I left was foggy and windy and I could hear thunder coming up the mountain so I went down to your camp for a fotog and then hit the trail. Here's some pics of you guys I left out of the trip:

The first group shot shows Naked Ground gap.
The next is your camp up on the Bob.
The last was taken on the morning I left, foggy and windy.

generoll
04-05-2008, 14:23
Hey Walter, tell me about Naked Ground. I thought I hiked there once from the trail that goes up from the road near the trail to Bobs Bald, but I didn't see anything that looked like a significant campsite. How far is the water? I've yet to hike the Slickrock Trail past Big Fat so I've got that to do yet. Some more dots to connect.

Tipi Walter
04-05-2008, 15:34
Hey Walter, tell me about Naked Ground. I thought I hiked there once from the trail that goes up from the road near the trail to Bobs Bald, but I didn't see anything that looked like a significant campsite. How far is the water? I've yet to hike the Slickrock Trail past Big Fat so I've got that to do yet. Some more dots to connect.

I'm not sure which trail you're talking about, whether it's the Wolf Laurel trail off of the Stratton Ridge/Horse Cove trail or the Naked Ground trail that leaves the Kilmer Loops down by the memorial and goes all the way up to Naked Ground.

Water at Naked Ground is only about 50 yards down the north side of the ridge, never seen it dry.

generoll
04-05-2008, 16:13
Yeah, it was the Wolf Laurel Trail. It connects with another trail the starts at a road. The short way up to the bald. Anyway, where it intersects with the trail to Bobs Bald is where I went the other way looking for Naked Ground. The point I found was at a trail intersection which would have taken me down to Joyce Kilmer had I turned. There were some hikers there who told me that was Naked Ground. It seemed like just a ridge top with limited camping available and looked nothing like the pictures you posted of your camps on that point.

Tipi Walter
04-06-2008, 09:40
:sun One of these days I'm gonna run into you again out there Tipi.
I was doing the Foothills during those dates and spent a few days without seeing the sun. Ridge walking in electrical storms with hail...priceless.
A recent windy night on the Bob followed by an even windier night at the Whigg pond has me ready to order a Hilleberg Nallo 2 GT. Their new "Soulo" is high on my want list.

We'll run into each other sometime, maybe down on the Slickrock, maybe up on the high ground.

I used the Nammatj 3 tunnel tent on several previous trips and it's not too much different than the Nallo GT. While the Nallo 2 is 52 inches wide, the Nammatj 3 is 64, here's the specs:

NALLO 2 GT 87x52x40 5.12 pounds 30 sq feet 24 vestibule 13 feet long
NAMMATJ 3 87x64x42 6.13 pounds 36.6 sq ft 17 vesti 11 feet long

The biggest consideration for me is the overall length since some campsites are limited in size. You could also try to get the Nallo in 10mm poles instead of the usual 9, a little beefier.

First two pics, Bob Bald.
On the Slickrock Creek by Big Fat trailhead.
Down on the South Fork Citico Iron Camp.

Tipi Walter
04-07-2008, 08:27
Yeah, it was the Wolf Laurel Trail. It connects with another trail the starts at a road. The short way up to the bald. Anyway, where it intersects with the trail to Bobs Bald is where I went the other way looking for Naked Ground. The point I found was at a trail intersection which would have taken me down to Joyce Kilmer had I turned. There were some hikers there who told me that was Naked Ground. It seemed like just a ridge top with limited camping available and looked nothing like the pictures you posted of your camps on that point.

I think you could've been up on the Bob Stratton "Wall" where the Horse Cove Ridge trail(Stratton trail)merges with the top of the ridge wall. To go left here would take you to the Bob, to go right would drop you down to Naked Ground. You know you're at Naked Ground when you see this trailpost:

The next two shots just show some camping spots in the high gap.

envirodiver
04-10-2008, 00:01
Tipi, it was great to meet you and the trip was excellent. Enjoyed the company and discussion. BTW it's worth saying again, your dog Chunka is an excellent trail comapnion.

I hope to see you out again.

warraghiyagey
04-10-2008, 00:03
Hey E.D.!!!!!!
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envirodiver
04-10-2008, 00:49
You are determined to give me a new trailname aren't you...but then again you don't exist. Merely a fig newton of our imagination.

warraghiyagey
04-10-2008, 00:51
You are determined to give me a new trailname aren't you...but then again you don't exist. Merely a fig newton of our imagination.

Hmmmmmph.:p

Heater
04-10-2008, 01:46
Hey E.D.!!!!!!
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What does E.D stand for? (or not "stand" for?) http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/laughing001.gif http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f112/MrGrover_uk/emoticons/sf4.gif http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/laughing001.gif

Magnus
06-25-2008, 00:56
Tipi,

I'm headed back out to JK sometime over the next few weekends. I'm thinking of a trip from Beech Gap down to Tapoco via Naked to Hangover down to Slickrock. Have you been up on Naked recently? Is the spring running?

Maybe I'll see you out there.

Later,
Magnus (of the Durham 3)

Tipi Walter
06-25-2008, 16:55
Tipi,

I'm headed back out to JK sometime over the next few weekends. I'm thinking of a trip from Beech Gap down to Tapoco via Naked to Hangover down to Slickrock. Have you been up on Naked recently? Is the spring running?

Maybe I'll see you out there.

Later,
Magnus (of the Durham 3)

I've got another trip planned real soon and yes, there's water up at Naked Ground, there's always water at Naked Ground. It's the Bob and the Hangover that sometimes dry up. If you do the Beech Gap/Tapoco loop you can shuttle a car and not have to return to Beech.

My most recent trips have included the hike from Beech Gap/Bob/Naked Ground/Hangover and down to Big Fat Gap and into the Slickrock valley where there's cold water for swimming, etc. Email me or send a personal message here and we'll discuss all this.