Nalgene Bottles bad for you ????

[88BlueGT]

My girlfriend called me today and told me that she seen a news report on plastic bottles putting out toxic chemicals on the news this morning. They stated that if your bottle has anything over a 3 inside the recycle symbol that they arent great to drink from and it seems that all Nalgenes have a 7 which is supposed to be the worst (even mine has a 7 on it). They even specifically talked about Nalgene bottles on there. I have heard people talk about this before but everyoe claims that it is not true, well not they are saying that it is a fact. I did not see the news personally so I may be wrong about some things but just figured I would bring it up for discussion. It just kind of worries me a little bit since I live with my Nalgene bottle by my side and drink out of it EVERY DAY and fill it atleast twice (32oz).

[Foyt20]

I think if you use them once, you are gonna die. Actually if you dont use them, you are going to die.

So in conclusion your going to die.


:D

[Dances with Mice]

Plasticizers that leach (...chemicals that wash out...) of Nalgene are known to cause health problems in mice.

So the moral of the story is to not keep mice in your Nalgene bottle.

[SGT Rock]

I think you will be fine. The only problem you will have is if you eat the thing...

Or if you worry about it a lot. Then that is something to worry about.

[Tilly]

In all seriuosness, try getting a waterbottle made out of stainless steel--completely nonreactive/non leaching, or one of those Sigg bottles--they apparently are made out of aluminum or something similarly nonleaching.

[Foyt20]

In all seriuosness, try getting a waterbottle made out of stainless steel--completely nonreactive/non leaching, or one of those Sigg bottles--they apparently are made out of aluminum or something similarly nonleaching.

I heard that they are made out of the mice that people kept in their nalgenes that got sick from eating plasticizers

:D;)

[leeki pole]

I am of the firm belief that oxygen causes cancer. Hold your breath as long as possible, each and every day.

[sofaking]

nalgene bottles aren't the problem, it's the water...fish f-_k in it.

[mkmangold]

The issue is bisphenyl A, which at one time was used in either pesiticides or herbicides (Wiki that one). I'm not an alarmist but here is what I know:
1. It does leech into the fluids from Nalgene bottles in minute amounts;
2. The amount consumed in a bottleful is very small;
3. Heating the liquid causes more to leech out;
4. Ours is a "heart disease family." We all die of heart disease, the men in their '60's and the women in their '70's. However, my older sister, just 51 at the time, developed breast cancer and totally blames it on drinking bottled water for the last 20 years. Even bottles of water left sitting in a hot car. Thankfully it was caught early enough and she is cancer free after radiation therapy and lumpectomy.
So that's a warning I guess. I cook my water in an Energy bottle and people in these fora have warned me against doing that because of the aluminum leeching out. But I still do it.

[Mags]

Never mind Nalgenes, I am concernred about dihydrogen monoxide



What is Dihydrogen Monoxide?

Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical, a species shown to mutate DNA, denature proteins, disrupt cell membranes, and chemically alter critical neurotransmitters. The atomic components of DHMO are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol.

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

Dihydrogen monoxide:

is called "hydroxyl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxyl) acid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid)", the substance is the major component of acid rain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_rain).
contributes to the "greenhouse effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect)".
may cause severe burns.
contributes to the erosion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erosion) of our natural landscape.
accelerates corrosion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrosion) and rusting of many metals.
may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
has been found in excised tumors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumor) of terminal cancer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer) patients.Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:
as an industrial solvent and coolant.
in nuclear power plants.
in the production of styrofoam.
as a fire retardant.
in many forms of cruel animal research.
in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.
as an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products.

[leeki pole]

So Mags, dihydrogen monoxide (H20), umm...if my high school chemistry is correct, is water? ;)

[Mags]

I say we ban it. Obviously many issues.




(and you sir, are no fun! :-P)

[think0075]

so someone somewhere with no life decided to do another study and tell us all that our waterbottles will kill us. please just think logically.

[Dances with Mice]

I say we ban it. Obviously many issues.Think about the dangers of going to the beach ...

you immerse yourself in dhmo while exposing youself to UV radiation then lie down in this stuff (http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSDS-Sand-9924861).

[whitefoot_hp]

there is no telling what our capitalist masters do to our products to increase their own profit.

[Two Speed]

Never mind Nalgenes, I am concernred about dihydrogen monoxide . . . Never mind that, what about all that monocarbon dioxide emitted by hominids, canines, lupines, bovines, etc all over the world. :eek:

Gets me all hot just thinking about it. ;)

[leeki pole]

Now this thread right here is getting fun. That's what I'm talking about.
Dern, DWM, going to the beach is killing me. Guess I better drink beer out of an aluminum (no make that glass, longneck) to be safe. UV rays, H20, sand, global warming. Ah, heck but beer has lots of H2O in it. What's a guy gonna do? Git 'er done. Pass me another Bud whilst I contemplate on it.:D

[desdemona]

But here's the deal:
soft plastic is bad-- also leaches, holds on to bacteria
aluminum is bad-- leaches
lined aluminum-- who knows?
steel-- is this truly nonreactive? Also heavy.
new lexan like bottles-- who knows?
canvas-- hmm, might leach? Also leaky.
glass-- heavy.
dehydration, really really really bad. (Though stuff I have heard lately indicates we might not have to drink quite so much, still hiking is work.)

--des

[Mags]

I staying in a geodesic dome ala the Bubble Man from Northern Exposure.

Life is too scary.

[Dances with Mice]

there is no telling what our capitalist masters do to our products to increase their own profit.Exactly right. I am not telling.

[swellbill]

I think you will be fine. The only problem you will have is if you eat the thing...

Actually. the bigger problem will come after you eat the thing and it wants to come out the other end :eek:

[88BlueGT]

Wow, I think you guys took this thread the wrong way. I'm not sitting in a corner in my house thinking that I am going to die because I drank out of a nalgene bottle lol. I just thought that it was interesting because it was on the news and they were specifically talking about nalgene bottles and considering I drink out of one every day like its my job it just made me think.

So if anyone was misinformed about this thread, dont worry, your not going to die :)

[Two Speed]

Exactly right. I am not telling.: : : Two Speed makes a note to rifle through DWM's backpack and find all that nasty, nasty capital he keeps in there. : : :

[Dances with Mice]

: : : Two Speed makes a note to rifle through DWM's backpack and find all that nasty, nasty capital he keeps in there. : : :But if you do that they'll kick me out of the Capitalist Masters Club and take away my Capitalist MasterCard.

[adamkrz]

Check out Kleankanteen products, I've been using them for the past year.

[Two Speed]

But if you do that they'll kick me out of the Capitalist Masters Club and take away my Capitalist MasterCard.: : : Two Speed adds a reminder to his note to get the Capitalist MasterCard, too. : : :

[Dances with Mice]

: : : Two Speed adds a reminder to his note to get the Capitalist MasterCard, too. : : :Fine. See if you get invited to our golf tournament in Augusta.

[Two Speed]

Fine. See if you get invited to our golf tournament in Augusta.: : : Two Speed adds another reminder to his note about making sure he gets the tickets to the Master's and the green jacket while rifling through DWM's pack. : : :

[Summit]

As I defend(ed) Nalgene in other threads, here's a link from Nalgene's site to more BPA watchdog sites than you can shake a stick at:

http://www.nalgene-outdoor.com/technical/bpaInfo.html

Nalgene is not running from or hiding anything! Using a Nalgene bottle is safer than sitting in your living room, watching TV. You might get killed by a crashing airplane! :eek:

[orangebug]

As mentioned earlier, the concern is about the pervasiveness of certain plasticizers. These may have carcinogenic risks in some species that are relatively short lived. They are found universally in all humans to some degree. Some have posited that this could be our version of lead piping that the Romans employed - with longterm adverse effects.

But no one really knows. The aluminum fear has been around over at least 30 years - but still without any verification. These exposures are probably not either avoidable nor reliably tested for risk potentials.

We do know that 100% mortality is associated with living. When we become obsessed with our dying, I suspect we begin to cease living.

[Wags]

know what's funny? the guy who wrote that article most likely drank booze (probably kills a lot more people than creditted for), smoked cigarettes (cancer #2 killer in america), and ate mcdonalds (heart disease #1 killer in america). all 3 guaranteed to shorten one's life - yet he finds nalgene to be unhealthy hehehhe

i was following ya 88gt. no worries

[Bob S]

I guess is you are a person that worries about this switch to the Nalgene bottles with a 3 in the triangle instead of a 7. But personally I’m not going to worry about it.

[Summit]

The 3 and 7 are references to how recyclable the particular plastic is. Has nothing to do with potential harm from leaching harmful chemicals into the water. :-?

[Wags]

i use a 4 just to be different

[Summit]

Yeah, I figured you for a 4! :eek: :p

[Skidsteer]

.We do know that 100% mortality is associated with living. When we become obsessed with our dying, I suspect we begin to cease living.

Amen and Amen.

[Bob S]

The 3 and 7 are references to how recyclable the particular plastic is. Has nothing to do with potential harm from leaching harmful chemicals into the water. :-?


Kinda late tonight to look it up, but I read an article on it and it said the ones with the 7 on the bottom were the focus of this concern, and that the ones with a 3 were not.


I will try to find it tomorrow and post it and the link.

[88BlueGT]

Actually, I'm not that "type" of person at all BUT if I am drinking out of a water bottle thats releasing harmful chemicals every time I drink out of it (and like I said, I live with my nalgene in my hand lol) than I might consider changing my water bottles. Also, I think I over reacted a little bit...... maybe lol.

[Nearly Normal]

there is no telling what our capitalist masters do to our products to increase their own profit.

You're free to move to a communist mastered country any time.

[theinfamousj]

What I gathered from reading what literature I could get my hands on due to my University journals subscriptions (coupled with the fact that metabolism and biochemistry kicks my butt) --

Plastics leach bisphenol A in minute amounts. As a former analytical chemist who did water quality, I cannot tell you how excited we get about being able to detect smaller and smaller quantities. This quantity is well below (coming in at 0.2 to 3 micrograms/kg water) the EPA's standards on safe drinking water (50 micrograms/kg water per day). You should see what other things are in your drinking water which come closer (but are still off by one, two, or even three orders of ten) to the EPA's standards on safe drinking water.

>> Peer Reviewed Journal Source on those Numbers -- http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content?content=10.1080/02652030701509998 <<

>> Peer Reviewed Journal Source finding smaller BPA release numbers -- http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TCR-4R5F02G-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=21cc0cd4e254f78e3c9856ddd991039a <<

Bisphenol A, alone, by itself, as a chemical, is an endocrine disrupter. Translation I can understand (this is outside of my field of study by far): it does bad things to your metabolism/hormones. No pure bisphenol A for you. There are links at the bottom of this post to see just what bad things it can do to you but these include: making mice over-groom themselves, egg disruption in mice, and making already bad breast cancer into worse breast cancer.

So it appears to be a question of magnitude. Over 20 micrograms/day = bad for mice/some human health conditions. The amount of the chemical that leaches from Nalgenes comes in well below this number. An order of ten less, in fact. And that is from a real world, real use study with boiling water (see second link above).

And for those of you alarmists out there :) Bisphenol A is in wine! >> http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content?content=10.1080/02652030600654382

For those of you with the journal access ... here are some scientific peer reviewed studies on BPA's negative effects --
How Bisphenol A is bad at Higher-than-Real-World Levels:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WG0-4RY6WM8-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=30116783a769f80e2edbb22f757a9f35
Bisphenol A is bad for Breast Cancer Patients >> http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/full/68/7/2076
Rats are given 20 - 40 microgram levels of Bisphenol A and appear to develop ADHD symptoms based on grooming behavior. >> http://www.springerlink.com/content/0t4353rr414l6k30/
Meanwhile, different lab mice given an unidentified quantity of Bisphenol A had some egg development issues. >> http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0015-0282(08)00155-6

[warraghiyagey]

Every time someone buys a Nalgene bottle God kills a kitten.

[mkmangold]

Every time someone buys a Nalgene bottle God kills a kitten.

THAT'S NOT TRUE: GOD LOVES KITTENS! However, everytime a Hindu rings a bell, a buffalo gets its wings.

[warraghiyagey]

I love buffalo wings.:)

[sofaking]

i'm going to buy a LOT OF NALGENE bottles.

[NICKTHEGREEK]

Never mind Nalgenes, I am concernred about dihydrogen monoxide



What is Dihydrogen Monoxide?

Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical, a species shown to mutate DNA, denature proteins, disrupt cell membranes, and chemically alter critical neurotransmitters. The atomic components of DHMO are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol.


http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html
Dihydrogen monoxide:

is called "hydroxyl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxyl) acid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid)", the substance is the major component of acid rain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_rain).
contributes to the "greenhouse effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect)".
may cause severe burns.
contributes to the erosion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erosion) of our natural landscape.
accelerates corrosion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrosion) and rusting of many metals.
may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
has been found in excised tumors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumor) of terminal cancer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer) patients.Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:

as an industrial solvent and coolant.
in nuclear power plants.
in the production of styrofoam.
as a fire retardant.
in many forms of cruel animal research.
in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.
as an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products.

Major ingredient in Ramen too.

[Mags]

The amount of the chemical that leaches from Nalgenes comes in well below this number. An order of ten less, in fact. And that is from a real world, real use study with boiling water (see second link above).

And for those of you alarmists out there :) Bisphenol A is in wine! >> http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content?content=10.1080/02652030600654382




Many thanks for some real world info. (Seriously).

Many people get just enough information to scare them, but not enough to process the information with all the facts.

And darn if I am going to give up my wine! :)

[Alligator]

The number in my Nalgene's triangle wore off. How much longer do I have to l

[Wags]

you're about to die. dibs on your skin

[warraghiyagey]

Poor Alligator, floated off to Sanctuary

[Whitey9457]

I heard that a way to make it less bad is to not use abrasive materials to wash it with. I wash my nalgenes similar to how i clean my camelbak and I don't scrub it. This is only really a problem if you never clean it and stuff builds up (then you may need to scrub it) but I use denture cleaner-like stuff to clean it.

And for those of you who say "oh i'll just get a sigg" those are much harder to clean than a wide mouth nalgene and probably grow worse stuff inside them (which you wouldn't even be able to see)

[WORD]

heard on the trail that lexan puts off a strand of estrogen. i dont want boobs, er, at least not of my own :)

no lies. they were probably talking out of their a$$es, but hey it made me switch to a gatoraid bottle. haha.

[theinfamousj]

heard on the trail that lexan puts off a strand of estrogen. i dont want boobs, er, at least not of my own :)

no lies. they were probably talking out of their a$$es, but hey it made me switch to a gatoraid bottle. haha.

They were talking about the chemical Bisphenol A which is chemically related to Estrogen in much the same way that Obama is distantly related to Dick Chaney.

But in the end, the amount it produces is so small that it only matters to overexcited chemists. (I was one so I can insult us!)

[boarstone]

Many thanks for some real world info. (Seriously).

Many people get just enough information to scare them, but not enough to process the information with all the facts.

And darn if I am going to give up my wine! :)

I hear ya Mags on that one!:D

[desdemona]

heard on the trail that lexan puts off a strand of estrogen. i dont want boobs, er, at least not of my own :)

no lies. they were probably talking out of their a$$es, but hey it made me switch to a gatoraid bottle. haha.

That'll kill you too, but at least you won't grow boobies (but then if you haven't tried them how do you know?? :-P )

--des

[Montego]

That'll kill you too, but at least you won't grow boobies (but then if you haven't tried them how do you know?? :-P )

--des

Hey, nothing wrong with boobs http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/angelic006.gif. Gotta' counter-balance that pack weight somehow :D

[Wags]

if you're a stomach sleeper you can skimp on your sleeping pad

[Dances with Mice]

....But in the end, the amount it produces is so small that it only matters to overexcited chemists. (I was one so I can insult us!)Hey! I'm often an overexcited chemist myself.

I'm not excited about bpa though. Those chromatography geeks can detect some amount of anything in everything. If they ever find something they can't detect they sit on the floor and cry until they get funding for a new instrument.

[warraghiyagey]

I love my GCMS:sun

[sofaking]

I love my GCMS:sun
i thought you were an author, what would you be doing messing around with a spectrometer?

[warraghiyagey]

i thought you were an author, what would you be doing messing around with a spectrometer?

I'll be an author when my name is on the book. Still aspiring. But once upon a time a played with the coolest devices, GCMS, Scanning and Transmission Electron Microscopes. Good times.:sun

[Dances with Mice]

I love my GCMS:sunAnd I really love my GCMS & HPLC labs because that's where I go to steal glassware. They always wash their stuff squeaky clean. Nobody in their right mind would use glassware from the IR or microscopy labs. But I ain't touching any kit from the microbio lab.

[warraghiyagey]

But I ain't touching any kit from the microbio lab.

And sage advice to others who care for free glassware.;):rolleyes::p

[ofthearth]

Plastic bottle chemical may be harmful: agency

http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSN1513929320080415

[Summit]

Breathing aides the fuel processing of the body's cellular internal combustion engines, causing wear and tear that eventually leads to death! :eek:

[sasquatch2014]

I don't know I may be ignorant but i am pretty sure that I am more likely to die from all the Sodium in my flavor packet of my Ramen Noodles than drinking spring water from my Nalgene bottle.:D

[Bluebearee]

This thread is freakin' hysterical!

[saimyoji]

more hysteria

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351419,00.html

[Dances with Mice]

Plastic bottle chemical may be harmful: agency

http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSN1513929320080415

"....laboratory rodents exposed to BPA levels similar to human exposures developed precancerous lesions in the prostate and mammary glands, among other things."

So leave your Nalgenes in shelters. That way you'll be safe and it'll get rid of mice.

[alauver]

my nalgene has a 9. i drink out of it all day every day. i refill it about 8 times a time. i guess im screwed

[leeki pole]

I love buffalo wings.:)
Okay, here's the deal. We go to Hooters and order a huge platter of wings and drink our beer out of #7 Nalgenes. What a way to go.

[envirodiver]

So leave your Nalgenes in shelters. That way you'll be safe and it'll get rid of mice.
So are you saying that Nalgene actually HAS built a better mouse trap?:-?

[mkmangold]

[quote=Dances with Mice;596512]
"....laboratory rodents exposed to BPA levels similar to human exposures developed precancerous lesions in the prostate and mammary glands, among other things."

Two questions: HOW do you check a mouse's prostate and WHO checks it?

[envirodiver]

[quote=Dances with Mice;596512]
"....laboratory rodents exposed to BPA levels similar to human exposures developed precancerous lesions in the prostate and mammary glands, among other things."
Two questions: HOW do you check a mouse's prostate and WHO checks it?

:-?:-?:-?:-?:-?

[Dances with Mice]

my nalgene has a 9. i drink out of it all day every day. i refill it about 8 times a time. i guess im screwedThis is a common misunderstanding at Texas A&M. The number on the bottom is not the number of times you have to fill the bottle during the day.

[JAK]

More stores pull Lexan Nalgene bottles from shelves...

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/04/17/bisphenola-stores.html

[Summit]

Maybe the Canadian government should ban the use of automobiles as it is certain they will be contributors to many more deaths than Lexan bottles today! :-?

[Zander 2831]

I know it is politically incorrect in the USA, but I like to error on the side of caution. A nalgene bottle is just a few bucks and my life is worth a little more. I also just don't like to support the manufacture of things that can hurt me. Call me selfish.

I think I will just leave the cold tea in my nalgene bottle for lunch today. Maybe when I am working a little more and notice a easy to clean drink container on store shelves that has the 3 on the bottom I will replace my #7 nalgene bottle.

[JAK]

The problem won't be solved by shipping all those pretty Nalgene bottle off to the land fills either. They should never have been manufactured in the first place, and the outdoors industry and enthusiasts, which are supposed to be connected with the environment in some serious way, have a lot to answer for. Instead of trying to keep ourselves separate from nature with out plastic leave no trace lifestyles we should start thinking again. We have been ****ting in our bed.

[zoidfu]

I been smokin nalgene bottles for years and they ain't affected me none!

[sasquatch2014]

[quote=Dances with Mice;596512]
"....laboratory rodents exposed to BPA levels similar to human exposures developed precancerous lesions in the prostate and mammary glands, among other things."

Two questions: HOW do you check a mouse's prostate and WHO checks it?

A labtech with really small fingers.:eek:

[JAK]

Squeeeeak! :eek:

[Tipi Walter]

This thread is somewhat of a rehash of a previous thread on Nalgenes:

http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/showthread.php?t=34728&highlight=Sigg

[JAK]

Here is an update:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/04/18/bisphenol-a.html

The federal government is expected to designate bisphenol A as a dangerous chemical on Friday, a day after a string of major retailers pulled plastic products containing the substance off their shelves.

[JAK]

Among the retail giants that announced they would rid their stores of products containing bisphenol A are Wal-Mart Canada, Canadian Tire, Hudson's Bay Co. and Forzani Group, Canada's largest sporting goods retailer.

On Thursday, Sears Canada, Rexall Pharmacies, London Drugs and Home Depot Canada also said they removed products with bisphenol A from their stores.

[borntobeoutdoors]

CAUTION: Working with rats in laboratories has been known to cause dementia. :eek:

[zoidfu]

Among the retail giants that announced they would rid their stores of products containing bisphenol A are Wal-Mart Canada, Canadian Tire, Hudson's Bay Co. and Forzani Group, Canada's largest sporting goods retailer.

On Thursday, Sears Canada, Rexall Pharmacies, London Drugs and Home Depot Canada also said they removed products with bisphenol A from their stores.

Why does every other thing in Canada need "Canada" after it? Don't you guys know where you are?;)

[NICKTHEGREEK]

[quote=Dances with Mice;596512]
"....laboratory rodents exposed to BPA levels similar to human exposures developed precancerous lesions in the prostate and mammary glands, among other things."
Two questions: HOW do you check a mouse's prostate and WHO checks it?
With an itty bitty finger and a tiny little glove would be a start, but who holds the tail is the hangup.

[JAK]

Why does every other thing in Canada need "Canada" after it? Don't you guys know where you are?;)LOL. I know. It's crazy. They aren't Canadian companies either. Mostly if the Canada name is in it they are just registered in Canada but foriegn owned. The government departments do the same thing. Perhaps they are foreign owned now also. There are rumours to that effect. ;)

[orangebug]

Why does every other thing in Canada need "Canada" after it? Don't you guys know where you are?;)They got the idea from New York.

Folks, this concern is real and may be a major public health problem for decades. The chemical is now ubiquitous in humans and other critters. It is another reminder of the law of unintended consequences - something will spoil the obvious great solution to a vexing problem.

The old problem was weight, fragility and waste disposal of glass containers. Plastic was lighter and took up far less room in the nation's landfills. Fuel and waste removal expense savings have been realized. However, we are now discovering that a plasticizer has unforeseen biological impacts. Folks who used plastic as an alternative to aluminum (some have feared aluminum as a risk factor for dementias) discover that the solution may be far worse than the presumptive problem.

I expect within 5 years, we will see removal of plastic containers from the market - as we know them. We might see some sort of coated plastic substitute, or we might be back to seeing glass bottles on the roadside as we did 40 years ago.

About the time we find a solution to the problem, we will find similar unforeseen consequences to Non-stick pots and pans, silnylon or carbide tips on walking poles.

[zoidfu]

A world without plastic is a world I don't want to live in anyway so bring it on!

[mudhead]

It is another reminder of the law of unintended consequences - something will spoil the obvious great solution to a vexing problem.






Example: DDT.

Ask any old farmer how well it worked.

[JAK]

They got the idea from New York.
I think we got the maple leaf from New York also.
Or was it kosher hot dogs?

[JAK]

Consume less. Hike more.

[DavidNH]

I have been using nalgene bottles for years and over thousands of miles of hiking. Never had any health probelms from it at all.

Unless there is some documented evidence of problems from a person driking out of a nalgene bottle.. whyshould we worry?

David

[bfitz]

Saw this one today

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24200402

[Dances with Mice]

Among the retail giants that announced they would rid their stores of products containing bisphenol A are Wal-Mart Canada, Canadian Tire, Canadian Tire?

[JAK]

Canadian Tire?

Marketing Slogan = "More than just Tires" ;)


I think they've been bought out, so perhaps they should be renamed...

Canadian Tire Canada

[JAK]

Yeah, we crazy canucks get most of our camping supplies at a tire store...

http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/category_landing.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=1408474 396672203&bmUID=1208539321498&deptid=1408474396672192&ctgrid=1408474396672203

[Alligator]

It looks like it was
It looks like it was
It looks like it was:datz
It looks like it was a 7 on the bottom of my Nalgene.

Everyday I drink
Everyday I drink
Everyday I drink:datz
Everyday I drink water out of my Nalgene:confused:.

Maybe I should
Maybe I should
Maybe I should :datz
Maybe I should switch to something else:eek:?

[JAK]

Im a gonna get me sompthin where when you boil it up or add whiskey or tea it makes it less likely to catch sompthin than more likely. Was thinking a wooden bowl but what the heck is lacquer if it aint plastic? Metal bowl probably. Maybe a birch bark bowl or sompthin with plenty of dirt in it. Keep my mind off plastic.

[Dances with Mice]

Yeah, we crazy canucks get most of our camping supplies at a tire store...So it really means tires. I thought it might mean something else in the Canadian language.

[JAK]

So it really means tires. I thought it might mean something else in the Canadian language.Yep. Winter tires, hockey sticks, shotgun shells, christmas tree lights, and the latest in kitchen appliances all under one roof. But that's not the best part. When you pay cash you get 3% back in Canadian Tire money. :banana

[JAK]

Perhaps we should run a poll on how many WBers have been North of the border. Turk ran something similar at the other place.

How many WBers have ever...
1. Gone months with more Canadian Tire money in their wallets than real money?
2. Ski-doo'd to work in a blizzard to avoid shovelling the driveway, waiting for a thaw?
3. Rolled Up the Rim to Win an Extra Large Double Double?

[Press]

story in nyt today about this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/18/business/18plastic.html?_r=1&ref=business&oref=slogin

[JAK]

I didn't know that metal can are coated with an epoxy containing BPA.

[greentick]

Squeeeeak! :eek:

musta been a virgin!

[Dances with Mice]

I didn't know that metal can are coated with an epoxy containing BPA.Damn! Somebody squealed? What are we evil scientists going to do now that all our secrets have been exposed?

Ironically, Thermo Fisher is the leading manufacturer of scientific instrumentation including the instruments used to detect the level of BPA in food storage containers. So they sell both the toxin and the instruments to detect it.

What a great business model. Why didn't I think of that?!

[Alligator]

Many Nalgene bottles are now on sale at REI.

[Grumpy Ol' Pops]

[quote=Two Speed;590416]Never mind that, what about all that monocarbon dioxide emitted by hominids, canines, lupines, bovines, etc all over the world. quote]

And lets not forget that, when in the woods, there are millions of trees. Some are inhabited and eaten by creatures of the various Isoptera Rhinotermitidae families. They are known to emit mass quantities of methyl hydride into the atmosphere, as are the other useless family of critters known as Hikera Trashimus Woodentrailus.

[88BlueGT]

Better scoop em all up! :)

I don't get it though, they are pulling all the nalgene bottles off the shelf like were all going to die but they clearly say that they are safe to use...

“Based on all available scientific evidence, we continue to believe that Nalgene products containing BPA are safe for their intended use,” Steven Silverman, the general manager of the Nalgene unit, said in a statement. “However, our customers indicated they preferred BPA-free alternatives, and we acted in response to those concerns.”

So do I get rid of all 4 of my Nalgene's? but what else is out there to get? We can all g out and spend $100 bucks on 4 Sigg bottles :rolleyes:

[saimyoji]

Im a gonna get me sompthin where when you boil it up or add whiskey or tea it makes it less likely to catch sompthin than more likely. Was thinking a wooden bowl but what the heck is lacquer if it aint plastic? Metal bowl probably. Maybe a birch bark bowl or sompthin with plenty of dirt in it. Keep my mind off plastic.

non coated Ti.

[88BlueGT]

awwwwwwwww man... I forgot, I have a Nalgene flask too! Its ok though for flasks, considering whats inside them usually is 134535x's worse anyway :)

[Bob S]

Treehuggers delight!

Nalgene to quit making hard plastic bottles.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24200402

[Skidsteer]

Is it too late to buy stock in Sigg or Gatorade?

[peanuts]

it's never too late to buy stocks......

[JAK]

it's never too late to buy stocks......LOL. I AGREE.

"Life is Simple- Eat, Sleep, Drive a Toyota."

[Montego]

I suspect that in the end, all the stress about what's going to kill you, is what's going to kill you :D

[desdemona]

Is it too late to buy stock in Sigg or Gatorade?

Who knows what the lining of Sigg's is. (I mean how bad it is for you.)
I think the problem with soft plastic is (afaik) that it collects bacteria and is hard to clean. So you could basically use it for your trip and then toss it.

--des

[88BlueGT]

Last time I used soft plastic backpacking, I had a 1.5L WaWa bottle sitting on a log (about 12" off the ground), it slipped off somehow and landed on DIRT and broke. Thats when I discovered Nalgene...

[Cherokee Bill]

:-? Seems that 9.999% of the folks that use toilet-paper, sooner or later die :mad:

PETE plastics should be OK for use. Polycarbon.... plastics are questionable, today ;)

[JAK]

We have to stop dragging our knuckles on these issues.

[budforester]

I found a website with quick reference to the various plastics:

http://www.thegreenguide.com/doc/108/plastic

[88BlueGT]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c53/88bluegt22/nytimes_bottle.jpg

[Panzer1]

Today, the Canadian government banned BPA in baby bottles.
The ruling just effects baby bottles only.

Panzer.

[88BlueGT]

It'll get around ............. give it a little bit of time.

[trailangelmary]

http://www.storyofstuff.com/http://http://www.storyofstuff.com/

[Appalachian Tater]

We have to stop dragging our knuckles on these issues.
The problem is drinking bottled water, not the bottles. It is rare that I walk by the river without seeing a few bobbing around.

[BradMT]

Nanny Nation Alert **** Nanny Nation Alert!!!!

[Cabin Fever]

Eastman, the first corporate sponsor of the ATC, is a huge maker of plastics for bottling. Eastman is now making a product that has already been adopted by Camelbak and Gerber. Check out this site for some truth instead of listening to the BS that you hear on the nightly news.

http://www.factsonplastic.com/

[orangebug]

It is going to be years before we know the consequences, if any, from BPA. Self serving corporate spokemen, rabble rousers, panic mongerers and others will cloud the issue while the scientific community attempts to pull together consensus - in a politically charged arena.

Meanwhile, corporations will follow the tried and true use of technology to service the Mother of Invention - at least for use in the literate industrialized world. I'd expect to find BPA products available around the world for a few more decades. Something else (glass anyone?) will appear everywhere else.

Just imagine what a green product glass can be. Washable, sterilizable, recyclable, colorful - just heavy as hell and fragile.

[HikerMan36]

I was at Mahoneys in Johnson City, Tn. this weekend and they were in the process of pulling all their Nalgenes off the shelf.