View Full Version : Vandals in GSMNP
Blue Wolf
04-13-2008, 16:33
I hiked up to Mt. Leconte via the Alum Cave Bluffs trail this Saturday. How terrible it was to enter the parking lot and see a park ranger writing reports on 15 vandalized & theft vehicles. He said overnight there had been at least 50 cars broken into and vandalized from Cherokee to Sugarlands visitors center. With all the money donated to that park by hikers & tourists my question is why can't they install some sort of surveillance device to help curb this from happening people go up there to get away from this type of crap.
Pretty sad you return from your overnight and find your car has been destroyed by losers with nothing better to do and then people get upset when vigilante justice occurs. I think next time I do an overnight I'll just leave my windows down and my wallet on the seat with a note saying please take me. Maybe they will think it's a trap & just move on.:mad:
Frolicking Dinosaurs
04-13-2008, 16:45
The park is strapped for cash - they have cut several Ranger positions and delayed a number of projects (like Parsons Branch Road repair, mill repair in Cades Cove, and parking lot repairs) in recent years because of cash shortfalls. Fewer Rangers equals more vandalism.
I've often thought the GSMNP should consider establishing a few legal camping spots near all of the overnight parking areas. Having people nearby would deter a lot of the vandalism.
Bulldawg
04-13-2008, 16:50
I thought I read that Parsons Branch was reopened?
I've often thought the GSMNP should consider establishing a few legal camping spots near all of the overnight parking areas. Having people nearby would deter a lot of the vandalism.
That's an excellent idea.
SGT Rock
04-13-2008, 17:29
Parson Branch is re-opened. It only took a couple of years for that one. There is a detour on the Foothills parkway for a landslide that happened about 3 years ago they haven't even touched. I went to the HRC at the Sugarlands for an advertised job but they couldn't hire for the job because of cutbacks. From what I have seen they are strapped for cash.
Sorry to hear about the break-ins and vandalism. I think even with a high speed surveillance system you would still get that sort of thing from time to time. The only difference is you would prosecute faster.
Tennessee Viking
04-13-2008, 18:00
I hiked up to Mt. Leconte via the Alum Cave Bluffs trail this Saturday. How terrible it was to enter the parking lot and see a park ranger writing reports on 15 vandalized & theft vehicles. He said overnight there had been at least 50 cars broken into and vandalized from Cherokee to Sugarlands visitors center. With all the money donated to that park by hikers & tourists my question is why can't they install some sort of surveillance device to help curb this from happening people go up there to get away from this type of crap.
Pretty sad you return from your overnight and find your car has been destroyed by losers with nothing better to do and then people get upset when vigilante justice occurs. I think next time I do an overnight I'll just leave my windows down and my wallet on the seat with a note saying please take me. Maybe they will think it's a trap & just move on.:mad:
Its like US 19E. Even with surveillance by the Forest Service and sheriff's dept we still have people dumping trash and vandalizing cars. It will be several thousands of dollars to put up cameras at parking areas.
Stir Fry
04-13-2008, 18:07
I hiked up to Mt. Leconte via the Alum Cave Bluffs trail this Saturday. How terrible it was to enter the parking lot and see a park ranger writing reports on 15 vandalized & theft vehicles. He said overnight there had been at least 50 cars broken into and vandalized from Cherokee to Sugarlands visitors center. With all the money donated to that park by hikers & tourists my question is why can't they install some sort of surveillance device to help curb this from happening people go up there to get away from this type of crap.
Pretty sad you return from your overnight and find your car has been destroyed by losers with nothing better to do and then people get upset when vigilante justice occurs. I think next time I do an overnight I'll just leave my windows down and my wallet on the seat with a note saying please take me. Maybe they will think it's a trap & just move on.:mad:
The main problem on the NC side is even if caught the Court system will do little with them. Most of the time a felony is reduced to a misdemeanor for a guilty plea. As a police officer I have seen times when someone charged with 20 counts of B&E of a motor vehicle gets nothing more then the time they were waiting for court.” TIME SERVED”. Only to be caught doing the same thing within a week. As long as the profits out weigh the risk they are going to keep breaking into cars. Its seen as a low priority property crime most places.
hammock engineer
04-13-2008, 20:51
As I was told the problem and great part for the Smokies is that when it was created it was put into the charter that the part would never charge to enter and use the park. Bad for raising funds, nice for people to come and visit.
Bulldawg
04-13-2008, 20:57
Wow, hate to hear about this kind of thing. It is always my fear when I leave my truck at a trail head.
And I hate to hear about the NC justice system. One time years ago (teenager, 19 to be exact), I was caught running 110 in a 55 coming off of Cullowhee (sp?) coming into Franklin, NC. They did not cut me any "deals" I can assure you. Perhaps things have changed in 14 years?
These kind of things are not new. Sixty years ago as a teenager I lived by myself in Chicago, working at minimum wage jobs. Suddenly night after night someone would break into my ancient $150 car.
After a few weeks I just started leaving the doors unlocked -- a practice I've followed ever since.
Then 45 years ago, back in Maine, someone discovered that I always kept a cold beer in a portable cooler in my car for the after work 50 mile trip home at 1 a.m. After a month or so of no nightly beer, I started adding a half bottle of tobasco to a beer, replacing the cap, and leaving it in a prominent place in my car.
One night the doctored bottle was stolen, and the thefts stopped. But to be safe, I continued the practice. Until one night after an arduous night at work, I climbed into my car, grabbed a handy beer and took a long belt -- before discovering I had just had a double shot of tobasco with a very weak beer mixer.
Weary
Tennessee Viking
04-13-2008, 23:19
Then 45 years ago, back in Maine, someone discovered that I always kept a cold beer in a portable cooler in my car for the after work 50 mile trip home at 1 a.m. After a month or so of no nightly beer, I started adding a half bottle of tobasco to a beer, replacing the cap, and leaving it in a prominent place in my car.
One night the doctored bottle was stolen, and the thefts stopped. But to be safe, I continued the practice. Until one night after an arduous night at work, I climbed into my car, grabbed a handy beer and took a long belt -- before discovering I had just had a double shot of tobasco with a very weak beer mixer.
WearyIf there was no chance of forgetting doctoring up the beer, you should have switched our the beer for pee. That would really taught the theif a leason.
Wise Old Owl
04-13-2008, 23:27
I will be happy to answer the question, a basic camera system will need a computer, and several cameras that provide a high quality picture with day night illumination. A ups device and something to power it 24/7 a minimum of $4000 installed. - This is what I do for a living.
Thank's Weary for a good laugh....!
Last but not least - anyone want to talk about a bait car?
River Runner
04-14-2008, 01:58
I do sometimes wonder if a person might be better off to leave their vehicle unlocked at the trailhead. I once accidently left mine locked, but with a window rolled completely down at a park and ride for a weekend. When I came back I thought someone had broken out my window and broke into my car, but had a good laugh when I discovered I had just forgotten to roll the window up.
I guess they thought if I left the window down there wasn't anything worth stealing in there anyway.
Ramble~On
04-14-2008, 03:13
Knock on wood but I've never had a problem with theft of vandalism in the park. Out of xx number of vehicles parked in GSMNP x of them are broken into or vandalized..a small percentage but that does little to help the victims. In recent months there has been an increase of reports like this.
These aren't random acts but seem to be planned events..perhaps on random nights. If they continue eventually he/she or they will get caught and hopefully they are cuaght by someone who will be more firm in dealing with them than the police or legal system will be.
Tipi Walter
04-14-2008, 08:50
Leaving a car/truck at a trailhead is one of the few worries I take out with me nowadays on long trips. It's always a consideration. For several years I solved this problem by having my girlfriend drop me off and 12-15 days later come pick me up at a designated spot. This system has no real drawbacks except for the time out of her schedule. I also leave a small cache near the trailhead with an extra thermarest, spoon, fuel, stove and stove pump in case I have a gear blowout.
Another option that works as well is to have a designated junk car just for this purpose, something like a 20 year old Toyota or Ford, etc. So even if it is trashed, what's the loss? I had a 1984 Nissan pickup I would leave for weeks by the Citico/Slickrock wilderness and after about 50 backpacking trips I only had one small breakin, someone pried open the back window to use the tire jack and replaced everything when they finished.
Nowadays when I come out after a long trip I am half-way prepared to walk and hitchhike to town if my car's ruined or missing. Cell phones don't work most of the time but a passing motorist will usually assist.
Tipi. I consistently find your posts to be level headed and to the point, and also engaging and informative. Also any number of other positive attributes. I am thinking of you as a sort of anti-MS. I guess I'm a fan.
SGT Rock
04-14-2008, 11:26
Tipi-Walter is good people too. He posts just like he is.
Unfortunately I find as I have been doing this, many people act differently on-line than they do in person.
If you ever get the chance to hike around Walter it would be a good experience. He knows that area around Tellico like no one else.
Gray Blazer
04-14-2008, 11:27
Leaving a car/truck at a trailhead is one of the few worries I take out with me nowadays on long trips.
Another option that works as well is to have a designated junk car just for this purpose, something like a 20 year old Toyota or Ford, etc. So even if it is trashed, what's the loss? I had a 1984 Nissan pickup I would leave for weeks by the Citico/Slickrock wilderness and after about 50 backpacking trips I only had one small breakin, someone pried open the back window to use the tire jack and replaced everything when they finished.
People feel sorry for me when they see my old gray Blazer and they fix things up or leave money on the seat.:D
Seriously, that's what I like about an older vehicle that looks like crap. People have less inclination to mess with it. There are still mean people out there who would just break a window or worse just for spite.
envirodiver
04-14-2008, 11:33
Tipi-Walter is good people too. He posts just like he is.
Unfortunately I find as I have been doing this, many people act differently on-line than they do in person.
If you ever get the chance to hike around Walter it would be a good experience. He knows that area around Tellico like no one else.
Agreed, very good people.
A true outdoorsman.
Great dog too, if you feel that dogs don't belong on the trails (and some don't), Chunka will change your view.
Tipi-Walter is good people too. He posts just like he is.
Unfortunately I find as I have been doing this, many people act differently on-line than they do in person.
If you ever get the chance to hike around Walter it would be a good experience. He knows that area around Tellico like no one else.
Not likely for me, but I'll keep that in mind for sure. I've enjoyed his trip reports. Maybe some winter... My Achilles tendon is feeling better for a change, but still not ready for the trail.
Tipi. I consistently find your posts to be level headed and to the point, and also engaging and informative. Also any number of other positive attributes. I am thinking of you as a sort of anti-MS. I guess I'm a fan.
LOL.... The anti-MS! :banana
Fortunately, I haven't had any problems in the Park. But the laws of probability state that sooner or later it gonna happen.
I don't leave anything in the vehicle that is easy to boost and if I am in the Wrangler, I leave the doors unlocked. Seems a better option than having someone slit the top.