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88BlueGT
04-30-2008, 16:41
I am using a pepsi can stove and need a pot stand for my GSI extreme 1L pot (http://www.gsioutdoors.com/detail.aspx?c=4&sc2=57&p=50205&lu=%2flist.aspx%3fc%3d4%26sc2%3d57&)

Any suggestions guys? Thanks!

warraghiyagey
04-30-2008, 16:49
I sit my pot right on top of my pepsi can stove. Never needed a stand or a windscreen. Works great everytime.:)

Skidsteer
04-30-2008, 17:13
I sit my pot right on top of my pepsi can stove. Never needed a stand or a windscreen. Works great everytime.:)

Different type of Pepsi can stove.


I am using a pepsi can stove and need a pot stand for my GSI extreme 1L pot (http://www.gsioutdoors.com/detail.aspx?c=4&sc2=57&p=50205&lu=%2flist.aspx%3fc%3d4%26sc2%3d57& (http://www.gsioutdoors.com/detail.aspx?c=4&sc2=57&p=50205&lu=%2flist.aspx%3fc%3d4%26sc2%3d57))

Any suggestions guys? Thanks!

Try some 1/2" hardware cloth. Make it 3/4"-1" taller than your stove and size the diameter to your pot keeping in mind your plan for storing it in your pack.

Test it outside a half dozen times or so, since the wire is galvanized and can emit some nasty fumes.

Another option is to make your windscreen from flashing and use tent stakes or wire to suspend your pot above the stove.


http://whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/files/1/0/3/0/cookpot_thumb.jpg (http://whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=15528&c=searchresults&searchid=14748)

paddler
04-30-2008, 18:25
take a msr windscreen find diameter of pot cut so there is a1inch space around. then take a stapler and atach the ends. cut four slices at 12 3 6 and 9 oclock from the bottom up to hight needed. push in between each notch to create the stand. mace a notch from the top for pot handle. now you have pot stand and wind screen in one/ i roll mmine around my fuel bottle to carry it

Skidsteer
04-30-2008, 18:40
take a msr windscreen find diameter of pot cut so there is a1inch space around. then take a stapler and atach the ends. cut four slices at 12 3 6 and 9 oclock from the bottom up to hight needed. push in between each notch to create the stand. mace a notch from the top for pot handle. now you have pot stand and wind screen in one/ i roll mmine around my fuel bottle to carry it

The MSR windscreen material is stout enough that the tabs don't bend down under the weight of the pot and water?

paddler
04-30-2008, 18:46
it isn't really a tab if just make a slit with one cut with sissors when the wind screen is a circle you phe in the sides at the bottome so it sits on what looks like four pie slicres

Skidsteer
04-30-2008, 18:59
it isn't really a tab if just make a slit with one cut with sissors when the wind screen is a circle you phe in the sides at the bottome so it sits on what looks like four pie slicres

Ah. I think I understand. Kinda like this birds-eye sketch?

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd238/acsskidsteer/windscreen%20tabs/th_Windscreentabs.jpg (http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd238/acsskidsteer/windscreen%20tabs/Windscreentabs.jpg)

paddler
04-30-2008, 19:13
yes sorry for rough directions its hrd use cumputer i had major eye surgery dont see so well any mare

88BlueGT
04-30-2008, 20:14
wasnt there a thread not to long ago called "show me your pot stands" or something like that. I tried searching for it but had no luck.... was there a thread like this or am I just imagining things again? lol

Skidsteer
04-30-2008, 20:34
wasnt there a thread not to long ago called "show me your pot stands" or something like that. I tried searching for it but had no luck.... was there a thread like this or am I just imagining things again? lol

Don't remember that one. Good idea for a thread though. Why don't you start? :)

88BlueGT
04-30-2008, 21:12
I would but I don't have the ability to edit my posts :rolleyes:


As of right now, this thread is unofficially

SHOW ME YOUR POT STANDS! :D

Skidsteer
04-30-2008, 21:32
I would but I don't have the ability to edit my posts :rolleyes:


As of right now, this thread is unofficially

SHOW ME YOUR POT STANDS! :D

Stand alone stands:

http://whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/files/6/7/7/9/hkc_005_thumb.jpg (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=23037&catid=favorites) http://whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/files/6/7/7/9/pyramid_windscreen_007_thumb.jpg (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=22411&catid=favorites) http://whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/files/6/7/7/9/TurboTea-lite005_thumb.jpg (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=15574&catid=favorites)



http://whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/files/6/7/7/9/Coffeeinsert006_thumb.jpg (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=14024&catid=favorites) http://whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/files/6/7/7/9/HOIstove052_thumb.jpg (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=12122&catid=favorites) http://whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/files/6/7/7/9/HOIstove004_thumb.jpg (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=12120&catid=favorites) http://whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/files/6/7/7/9/Cakespraystove016_thumb.jpg (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=9766&catid=favorites)

Integrated stands:

http://whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/files/6/7/7/9/Slushfund062_thumb.jpg (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=15599&catid=favorites) http://whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/files/6/7/7/9/Budweiserchimneystove035_thumb.jpg (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=14036&catid=favorites) http://whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/files/6/7/7/9/tabstove050_thumb.jpg (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=13716&catid=favorites) http://whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/files/6/7/7/9/LightnGostove015_thumb.jpg (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=11897&catid=favorites) http://whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/files/6/7/7/9/YubanwindscreenandReverseCatstove038_thumb.jpg (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=12336&catid=favorites) http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd238/acsskidsteer/PMS%20Stove/th_mOREpmsPICS027.jpg (http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd238/acsskidsteer/PMS%20Stove/mOREpmsPICS027.jpg) http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd238/acsskidsteer/Mountain%20Man%20Stove/th_mountainmansstove014.jpg (http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd238/acsskidsteer/Mountain%20Man%20Stove/mountainmansstove014.jpg)

There's more but that'll do on short notice.

88BlueGT
04-30-2008, 21:43
awesome, under the stand alone in the first picture is about what I am looking for. My pot is kind of wide though so maybe something like that, but a little wider. Plus Im looking for something that can definetly fit inside my cookset :)

88BlueGT
04-30-2008, 21:45
http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=11897&catid=favorites

this one would do well also (4th picture over under integrated)

Skidsteer
04-30-2008, 21:45
awesome, under the stand alone in the first picture is about what I am looking for. My pot is kind of wide though so maybe something like that, but a little wider. Plus Im looking for something that can definetly fit inside my cookset :)

That one is 2 5/16" diameter. Made from a Budweiser aluminum bottle and weighs 5 g.

Skidsteer
04-30-2008, 21:48
That one is 2 5/16" diameter. Made from a Budweiser aluminum bottle and weighs 5 g.

But it won't fit around a Pepsi can stove.

88BlueGT
05-01-2008, 00:16
yea i was just thinking that... what do you think my best option is for a 6.5 inch pot?

Skidsteer
05-01-2008, 07:17
Probably hardware cloth. All you need are some tin snips to make it.

You could get some 3/4" aluminum bar stock from Lowe's, make a cut halfway through the center of two pieces and just set it on top of your pot.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd238/acsskidsteer/Daves%20Etowah%20Stove/th_Davesstove004.jpg (http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd238/acsskidsteer/Daves%20Etowah%20Stove/Davesstove004.jpg) http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd238/acsskidsteer/Daves%20Etowah%20Stove/th_Davesstove002.jpg (http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd238/acsskidsteer/Daves%20Etowah%20Stove/Davesstove002.jpg)

or switch to a different stove with an integrated stand since you use a wide bottom pot.

StepChld
05-01-2008, 12:29
Here, go wild;)
http://zenstoves.net/PotStands.htm#CollapsibleWireTripods
I use a form of this one but that whole web page has many good ideas.:banana

88BlueGT
05-01-2008, 14:07
hm I like the hardware cloth idea. I also like the bicycle spoke stand idea. There was something else like that floating around except at the top the spokes go all the way around for full support. Any ideas?

88BlueGT
05-03-2008, 23:13
Well, FYI I went to home depot today and got myself some hardware cloth. I made it and it came out perfect. I'm just having a LITTLE bit of trouble deciding on the height. What I'm going to do is just see how long it takes to boil 2 cups where its at and than drop it some and see if there is a different (not sure if there will be or not). But its pretty much done, thanks for all the help guys! BTW, if anyone cares, it came in at exactaly 28 grams (1oz), if I shorten it, prob shed might shed 5-6 grams.

88BlueGT
05-04-2008, 02:54
Anyone have any suggestions on height? Right now I have it approx. 3" off the top of the stove and it seems to work well. I get flames about 1/4 way up the sides of the pot (my pot is about 6" wide, maybe 6.5'').

I have heard that having it higher will boil faster but putting it lower will use less fuel... I don't see how this is possible but I read this a few times while doing some google searches... any truth to this?

Bouille
05-04-2008, 08:26
88BlueGT, In my thread, SGT Rock suggested finding the "sweet spot" on my stove and for my stove it is about 1" above the stove. That's about where the blue flame turned to yellow. At this point that works for me.

88BlueGT
05-04-2008, 15:17
Never mind, I just did some testing and I think I'm going to keep it as it is (I lowered it about 1/2 inch and seems to be working good). I just tested it and I boiled 2 cups of water in a little under 4 minutes (I thought that was pretty good).

If anyone cares total weight came in at 17.7oz for:
GSI Extreme SM Pot/Pan (doubled as lid) - 1L
GSI Pot Gripper
SM Cutting Board
GSI Lexan Fork/Knife/Spoon
Pepsi Can Stove
Primer Pan
Optimus Windscreen
Hardware Cloth Pot Stand

I'm sure I could shave an oz or two by getting rid of the cutting board, big windscreen, fork & spoon, etc. but I like to have those things with me since I use them sometimes, I rather have them and carry the extra 2oz's than not you know.

Thanks for all the help guys.

oops56
05-04-2008, 15:20
Time sounds but how much fuel did you need or use A 1/2 oz. i hope

88BlueGT
05-04-2008, 15:26
Not sure exactally... I poured 1oz in and the stove went on for about another minute or two after the water was boiling.... so maybe 3/4oz? I did this in a garage so I figured an oz should be OK considering wind, etc. when actually used in the elements. I did this test inside because I could shut the lights out and get a good look at the flame.

Should I be using less fuel than 3/4oz for 2 cups of water? I thought that 1oz was a general rule of thumb.

SGT Rock
05-04-2008, 15:31
Nope. Good stoves can do it on 1/2 ounce.

88BlueGT
05-04-2008, 15:42
Hmmmm.... my measuring could be off too. I was just filling up a measuring cup half way to the 2oz line (marked in incriments of 2oz). If anything I thought I might be putting in a little over an oz. I'll try to find something to measure more accurately.

Any suggestion on how to lower fuel amount? You think if I lower my pot to 1" instead of about 2" that it will cut fuel consumption?

Skidsteer
05-04-2008, 15:48
Any suggestion on how to lower fuel amount? You think if I lower my pot to 1" instead of about 2" that it will cut fuel consumption?

Use a different stove design.

88BlueGT
05-04-2008, 15:52
hmmmm I guess thats a possibility but I really like my pepsi can stove. For a 1/4 of an oz of fuel I rather not, just not worth it for me. Another thing I guess I can try is covering the middle of the stove and just let the flame come out the jets and not have the middle burning at the same time... havent tried that yet. I'm sure that would cut on fuel consumption BUT might raise boiling time. Maybe I try this... I have to wait until tomorrow though :( Any other suggestions?

SGT Rock
05-04-2008, 15:54
A few things to tweak your stove.pot combo:

1. The stove should be made as small as you can possibly get away with. If you have more material, then you need to heat up more material to make the stove work - alcohol stoves have to heat up the body to heat up the fuel to make the stove run best.

2. Keeping the stove small as possible also means you can make the stand as small as possible. Keep the stove small in diameter and height.

3. Get as much transfer area as possible on the bottom. The more surface area on the bottom of the pot that interacts with the flame, the better the heat transfer. Transfer happens on the sides, but not as well because some of that heat disappates sideways.

4. Keeping the fuel level low also means less fuel to heat up - so less fuel wasted heating up the fuel itself.

5. A good windscreen. It needs to ensure good airflow while staying tight enough to the sides to help keep the heat inside the windscreen area. You can make the windscreen too tight and too big to get enough airflow, you can also make it too open so that you don't contain the heat well and you get too much interaction from wind.

6. The pot is just as important as the stove. Aluminum works best, especially with a wide bottom and short sides. Small bottom and tall sides present less efficient heat exchange areas. Curves from the side to the bottom work better than more abrupt angles. But that said, titanium pots used by backpackers are 60% aluminum and they are thinner than the same capacity aluminum ones - so realisticly the ti and aluminum ones are very close in performance.

7. Heat control - creating a great big ball of fire under the pot doesn't mean it works better. If you let the stove get too hot, it vaporizes fuel faster, which in turn generates more heat, which vaporizes fuel even mo' faster - you get the idea...

So find that right level of combustion. What I have found is you want to try to keep a fire that is small enough that it doesn't let a lot of flames go up the sides of the pot any real distance, but big enough that it creates flame to cover as much bottom surface area as possible with the yellow/orange flame. I've found this color flame is the "sweet spot" of the fire. If you can get this to be the right size and get the pot in the right place with this style flame - you will have a well tuned stove/pot combo.

I hope that helps.

88BlueGT
05-04-2008, 16:45
At the height it is at right now, when I first start the stove I get flames about 1/2 way up the sides (my pot is about 3-3.5" high) with burst 3/4 of the way but than after about a minute the flame goes down and it comes right to the edge of the bottom of the pot (about 6-6.5" wide at the bottom). Thats one of the reasons that I did not want to lower my pot stand, I seems that I am a LITTLE bit above the "sweet spot" but if I lower it anymore the flame will be getting too high.

Since I have a ton of hardware cloth I guess I can make a another one and see how that performs compared to the one thats higher. Like I said before, I don't want to change stoves and I'm not willing to change pots so anything that I can do in between to get better performance from it is what I am looking for.

sgtrock, your post helped, thanks.

anything else?

OH YEA, one more thing. Is yellow HEET better than denatured alcohol? I was going to buy some today but ended up not getting it. Its the same price too so it doesn't really matter.

SGT Rock
05-04-2008, 16:48
It ain't necessarily better. It actually has less BTUs, but not by much.

oops56
05-04-2008, 17:07
Here what i do on a new stove. I got a extra pot stand higher then should be. Then i put someting under the stove keep test at different height's when its right then make pot stand for it

88BlueGT
05-04-2008, 17:17
Here what i do on a new stove. I got a extra pot stand higher then should be. Then i put someting under the stove keep test at different height's when its right then make pot stand for it

Wow, its the simple things that I never think of sometimes! That would certainly be a hell of alot easier than making a new pot stand and wasting material lol. Thanks for the suggestion, it just saved me some work and allowed more time for fine tuning :D

SGT Rock
05-04-2008, 17:24
I've done something similar with hardware cloth. You make the stand a circle that fits snug around the stove body, but where you can still slide the stove up and down inside the stand. This way you can move it a little in each direction until you figure out the correct height for the stand. At that point you can sometimes just trim the stand you are working with.

88BlueGT
05-04-2008, 17:52
^^ Thats a good idea. Right now I have my stand about 4-4.5" wide, I could have made it smaller but I made it that big because my pot has a wide bottom and that provided the best balance. I just definitely did not want a wobbly pot.

SGT Rock
05-04-2008, 17:54
I think you will find it won't be that wobbly.

88BlueGT
05-04-2008, 18:06
It wasnt that it was wobbly but I just made it wider if I accidently bumped into it, moved the pot while putting on my handle or something like that. I'm ok with the width that its at now... I made it to fit inside my pot also.

Skidsteer
05-04-2008, 19:36
Hmmmm.... my measuring could be off too. I was just filling up a measuring cup half way to the 2oz line (marked in incriments of 2oz). If anything I thought I might be putting in a little over an oz. I'll try to find something to measure more accurately.


It helps to get a syringe with cc/ml measurements for testing. Tractor Supply has a good selection.



Use a different stove design.


hmmmm I guess thats a possibility but I really like my pepsi can stove. For a 1/4 of an oz of fuel I rather not, just not worth it for me. Another thing I guess I can try is covering the middle of the stove and just let the flame come out the jets and not have the middle burning at the same time... havent tried that yet. I'm sure that would cut on fuel consumption BUT might raise boiling time. Maybe I try this... I have to wait until tomorrow though :( Any other suggestions?

I have some time to answer now.

If you like the idea of can stoves I can empathize. They're free and easily available.

But you're not limited to standard 12 ounce beer and soda cans. The usual diameter for soda/beer cans is 2 5/8".

-Some Coors Light cans are 2 7/16" D.
-Michelob Ultra 10 oz. cans are 2 3/8" D.
-Large Redbull cans and the new 'slim-line' cans from Anheuser-Busch are 2 1/4D"
-V-8 cans and small Redbull cans are 2 3/32" D(the exact same diameter as the wedding favor tins Sgt. Rock uses to build the Ion Stove (http://www.ionstove.com/build.htm#Production) production version. The first version was made from V-8 cans (http://www.ionstove.com/build.htm#Juice).

Point being that you can build the same design you are accustomed to but with a smaller diameter can that will address many of the points Sgt. Rock made about heating extra stove mass and fuel unnecessarily. You can play with the center hole diameter, number and size of jets, wicking material, priming plates, etc....

You can even make miniature Penny stoves with a hybrid of wedding tins and V-8 cans:

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd238/acsskidsteer/Mini-Penny%20stoves/th_Mini-Pennystoves018.jpg (http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd238/acsskidsteer/Mini-Penny%20stoves/Mini-Pennystoves018.jpg)


Have fun.