Selling themselves to hike.......

[Mrs Baggins]

Found this on ebay. I know people often get free gear to test out on a thru-hike but how often does someone offer to sell themselves for advertising?? :confused:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Appalachian-Trail-FIVE-MONTHS-ADVERTISING_W0QQitemZ160236044926QQihZ006QQcategor yZ102333QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[bigcranky]

There's a word for that, can't quite come up with it right now.... :)

[Dances with Mice]

There's a few folk on this site that businesses might pay to NOT to talk about their company and products while on the Trail.

[doggiebag]

Theoretically for the $1,000 buy now price - anyone can get these 2 amicable business majors to talk about anything you want to push on the trail. It would be interesting to see if someone can get these guys to talk about nothing but hemmoroid cream to anyone they meet on the trail. :D

[Mags]

The two gentlemen may want to read this notice from the ATC
http://www.appalachiantrail.org/atf/cf/%7BD25B4747-42A3-4302-8D48-EF35C0B0D9F1%7D/LMPG_3advertis.pdf

[bigcranky]

Hemorrhoid Cream is perfect for all sorts of hiker ailments -- monkey butt, chafing, blisters between your toes, even insect bites. It lubricates your hiking sticks, prevents sunburn, and a thin layer adds 15 degrees to any sleeping bag.You should try it.





(Kidding --please don't do this.)

[Mrs Baggins]

Theoretically for the $1,000 buy now price - anyone can get these 2 amicable business majors to talk about anything you want to push on the trail. It would be interesting to see if someone can get these guys to talk about nothing but hemmoroid cream to anyone they meet on the trail. :D

......and it won't take more than a few days for word to get passed down the trail and these two will find themselves "advertising" to no one but the shelter mice...and even the mice will finally tell them where to take it.........gees, do we have to start putting "No Soliciting" signs on our packs? When you ask someone their trail name or just how it's going you do NOT want to hear "...and give me a few moments to tell you about........" :mad:

[doggiebag]

You can actually vary the subject matter they have to talk about as they move north. While down south they can be made to discuss the genetic dangers of in-breeding or how big guvment is a good thing ... etc. We could have section hikers document via video camera if they're fulfilling the contract. It's got possibilites for some serious fun. Just a thought :D.

[envirodiver]

You can actually vary the subject matter they have to talk about as they move north. While down south they can be made to discuss the genetic dangers of in-breeding or how big guvment is a good thing ... etc. We could have section hikers document via video camera if they're fulfilling the contract. It's got possibilites for some serious fun. Just a thought :D.

I can hear it now, it could sound like a NASCAR interview, "yeah today the Preparation H thru-hike felt pretty good, it was a little tight in the beginning but loosened up as the day went on and we were able to bring it to the house, yeah the Asolo 95 GTX's were wearing a little and had to patch them up a bit, but those little Debbie snack cakes kept us going, Little Debbie littel Debbie I'm a comin home baby.

Or maybe they could just wear one of those sandwich boards while they wa;lk.

[doggiebag]

Or you can get them to carry those fake plates of food that they use to display at some restaurants - the stuff that looks real but is actually made of styrofoam. Have them show the fake food to some hungry thru-hikers and then have them talk about where the restaurant is ... preferably someplace a couple of hundred miles away. That could be fun.

[le loupe]

The two gentlemen may want to read this notice from the ATC
http://www.appalachiantrail.org/atf/cf/%7BD25B4747-42A3-4302-8D48-EF35C0B0D9F1%7D/LMPG_3advertis.pdf


Well I guess we all need to remove the labels from our clothing/packs/shoes/gear etc.

While I think what their doing is silly, I think they could hawk a product or sponsor without violating the letter of that ATC document.

[Mrs Baggins]

Well I guess we all need to remove the labels from our clothing/packs/shoes/gear etc.

While I think what their doing is silly, I think they could hawk a product or sponsor without violating the letter of that ATC document.

Difference is WE paid for the products. THEY did not pay us.

[Mags]

Well I guess we all need to remove the labels from our clothing/packs/shoes/gear etc.

While I think what their doing is silly, I think they could hawk a product or sponsor without violating the letter of that ATC document.

I really don't care personally. But actively hawking a product on the AT (as opposed to passively wearing an XYZ brand jacket) may be non-kosher.

Something to keep in mind. I suspect the ATC would frown upon it. I could ask..but I'm lazy.



More importantly? If some person tried to preach to me about the gospel of powerbars, I'd preach to them the gospel of "Get the hell out of here" :D

[ofthearth]

The two gentlemen may want to read this notice from the ATC
http://www.appalachiantrail.org/atf/cf/%7BD25B4747-42A3-4302-8D48-EF35C0B0D9F1%7D/LMPG_3advertis.pdf

I think the key might be how they do their advertising


On November 17, 2001, the ATC Board adopted the following:
Policy on Advertising in the Appalachian Trail Corridor

For the purposes of this policy, advertising is defined as posting materials,...

[Ramble~On]

"Hello my trailname is "Advo Man" and the next 5 miles are brought to you by Boudreaux's Butt Paste. Do you have a little burning down below? Well, try Boudreax's and make your cheeks smile! available at a fine retailer in a trail town near you."

"I notice you've complained about back pain...the shelter floors are hard but with the new Therma-Rest X5000 you'll sleep like a baby and wake without a stiff back for only $ 159.00 you can........."

"Hungry? Remember Snickers Satisfies!"

"Amicable business majors" ? Seems they have a bit to learn about advertising ploys

Doing so would not make for "amicable" hikers

[Mags]

For the purposes of this policy, advertising is defined as posting materials,...

Something about the spirit vs the letter of the law comes to mind.

Tell you what, someone who cares a bit more about this than I should ask straight out. I honestly suspect the ATC would be "Er..um, we really don't endorse this".

[Flush2wice]

I'll stick to selling HPEO's to finance my hikes.

[bigcranky]

The funny thing is, plenty of hikers talk about gear and food, etc. I had three or four hikers -- some thrus and some sectioners -- ask me about my hammock this weekend, and a couple of others asked about my pack. It would be pretty easy to just wait for questions about your gear, and then talk it up.

(And no, I'm not getting paid by Tom Hennessey or Ron Moak, but I did talk up their stuff. And Henry Shires, too. And the MacCat tarp dude. You guys owe me.... :))

[Mrs Baggins]

The funny thing is, plenty of hikers talk about gear and food, etc. I had three or four hikers -- some thrus and some sectioners -- ask me about my hammock this weekend, and a couple of others asked about my pack. It would be pretty easy to just wait for questions about your gear, and then talk it up.

(And no, I'm not getting paid by Tom Hennessey or Ron Moak, but I did talk up their stuff. And Henry Shires, too. And the MacCat tarp dude. You guys owe me.... :))

Well damn! Then MSR had better start putting the checks in the mail for my talking up my Hubba tent and Pocket Rocket stove!!!!:banana And Big Agnes can start coming through for my endorsement of their sleeping mats! Oh, and REI as well because I bought everything from them and everything I wear has their name on it! :D

[sofaking]

Theoretically for the $1,000 buy now price - anyone can get these 2 amicable business majors to talk about anything you want to push on the trail. It would be interesting to see if someone can get these guys to talk about nothing but hemmoroid cream to anyone they meet on the trail. :D
these two sound more like spokesmen for 'summer's eve' if you catch my drift...

[doggiebag]

these two sound more like spokesmen for 'summer's eve' if you catch my drift...
It's probably the worst environment that they could pick to actively bring commercialisim into. I took a look at all the items that they put up for sale on Ebay - it'll give you a weird feeling - you can get a snapshot of their life. They even have their college textbooks in there. They did say they were selling everything they owned to finance this thing.

[Panzer1]

If they begin to act like salesman they will quickly be hated by their hiker friends.

Of course the other issue is how will advertisers know if their products are actually being advertised.

Panzer

[bjj4287]

why is everyon hating on this guy

[Odd Thomas]

Anyone want to start a Ron Paul bid pool for this auction? ;)

[doggiebag]

Anyone want to start a Ron Paul bid pool for this auction? ;)
Better yet have them push the most useless products for the trail imaginable:
http://www.thane.com/products/health-beauty/slimlift/images/slimlift-standalone_r3_c1.jpg

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

I imagine ebay will have them take this down as advertising on federal land is illegal and offering an illegal service isn't allowed on ebay

[George]

In 05 or 06 there was a hiker called moonpie who was repping for and giving out the product. No hikers seemed to mind, but some yankees were a little puzzled about what moonpies are. I found the slackpacker who was soliciting donations for a BS charity he knew little about more disturbing. The fact he thought hikers would put out money showed how missguided he was.

[taildragger]

Well damn! Then MSR had better start putting the checks in the mail for my talking up my Hubba tent and Pocket Rocket stove!!!!:banana And Big Agnes can start coming through for my endorsement of their sleeping mats! Oh, and REI as well because I bought everything from them and everything I wear has their name on it! :D

Thats right, fancy feast should be giving me a check for talking about how they make such nice stoves, and they ain't half bad w/ enough tobasco

[NerdyJohn]

I wonder what giving up a year's worth of frat dues would be worth?

Or maybe going alcohol/drug free for a year? Well, 0k, maybe not alcohol free for an entire year...that's crazy talk.

[taildragger]

I wonder what giving up a year's worth of frat dues would be worth?

Or maybe going alcohol/drug free for a year? Well, 0k, maybe not alcohol free for an entire year...that's crazy talk.

ummm...not all fraternity members drink or do drugs just fyi. I know that this might be a real hard concept, but its true, I've been a brother to a few.

Oh, and dues (at least for me) covered the cost of the meals that the house provided had I chosen to stay active when I left.

[Wags]

contrary to the above truth, i'd imagine this is some sort of fraternity hazing. or 'let's see how much beer money we can get from some chump off ebay'

[NerdyJohn]

Yep TD, that's a really hard concept for me to believe. I'm sure "Going Green" is all the rage on campuses (is that a word?) everywhere.

Back in the 70's we (frat boys) used to steal kegs and other merorabilia from each other's houses. Now I'm sure they steal each others solar panels and brag about how many carbon credits they have. HaHaHa

Take my words lightly and remember that I went to college in another century. We didn't have eBay, Whiteblaze, or the internet for that matter. Oh, and only hippies had backpacks...

If I remember correctly, a light backpack meant that it was made of thin canvas! And I was taught to dig a TRENCH around my (canvas) tent...

[Panzer1]

I would rather shelter with a guy with a loud radio than have to shelter with a salesman advertising products.

Panzer

[k-n]

Well I guess we all need to remove the labels from our clothing/packs/shoes/gear etc.

While I think what their doing is silly, I think they could hawk a product or sponsor without violating the letter of that ATC document.
yeah. what if they put stickers like nascar does on cars on pakcs,tents,clothing ,etc. however cheesy,is it illegal? this reply sponsored by budweiser.

[warren doyle]

Let them eat generic mac and cheese and Little Debbie brownies.

[A-Train]

It'd be a ball naming these guys on trail. "Sell out" and "AdSales" might work.

[sofaking]

are we allowed to say douchebags on here? DOUCHEBAGS...

[envirodiver]

In 05 or 06 there was a hiker called moonpie who was repping for and giving out the product. No hikers seemed to mind, but some yankees were a little puzzled about what moonpies are.

That's providing a service, cause moonpies rock.


Or maybe going alcohol/drug free for a year? Well, 0k, maybe not alcohol free for an entire year...that's crazy talk.

Yeah, you don't want to get too carried away with that idea.

[KnowledgeEngine]

Regarding the posters unfamiliar with the name of the practice it is Influencer Marketing(Wikipedia) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influencer_marketing) the name of the person being sold would be a "trendsetter" by a loose definition. I prefer William Gibson's definition as Cool Sayer. I suppose Undercover Marketing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_marketing) applies as well beings as we are not supposed to realize they are sell-out marketing hawkers.

If you all are opposed to these practices, as I am, get used to it. The way things are headed a majoritiy of advertising and marketing will be of this type this century. Look at people getting paid for blog posts.

Some marketing companies are doing trials where anyone can get paid for viral marketing. IE you already go to the bar and drink, so if you stay sitting at the bar, and order Miller Light, and say something like "Get me a Miller Light, cuz it's Miller Time Baby!" you get paid $3 for saying it, on the premise of influencing the other patrons.

If you give yourself a moment to think about it...We are all doing the same thing on the forums we post on without receiving pay for it. Every time we mention a product, a guest to the board might read the post, and the opinion we have ends up affecting their purchasing decision. Based on how many posters vs non-posters we have, I imagine we posters make some people a lot of money.!

[A-Train]

Regarding the posters unfamiliar with the name of the practice it is Influencer Marketing(Wikipedia) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influencer_marketing) the name of the person being sold would be a "trendsetter" by a loose definition. I prefer William Gibson's definition as Cool Sayer. I suppose Undercover Marketing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_marketing) applies as well beings as we are not supposed to realize they are sell-out marketing hawkers.

If you all are opposed to these practices, as I am, get used to it. The way things are headed a majoritiy of advertising and marketing will be of this type this century. Look at people getting paid for blog posts.

Some marketing companies are doing trials where anyone can get paid for viral marketing. IE you already go to the bar and drink, so if you stay sitting at the bar, and order Miller Light, and say something like "Get me a Miller Light, cuz it's Miller Time Baby!" you get paid $3 for saying it, on the premise of influencing the other patrons.

I'll say whatever the heck you want me to, for free beer. :)

[sofaking]

Regarding the posters unfamiliar with the name of the practice it is Influencer Marketing(Wikipedia) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influencer_marketing) the name of the person being sold would be a "trendsetter" by a loose definition. I prefer William Gibson's definition as Cool Sayer. I suppose Undercover Marketing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_marketing) applies as well beings as we are not supposed to realize they are sell-out marketing hawkers.

If you all are opposed to these practices, as I am, get used to it. The way things are headed a majoritiy of advertising and marketing will be of this type this century. Look at people getting paid for blog posts.

Some marketing companies are doing trials where anyone can get paid for viral marketing. IE you already go to the bar and drink, so if you stay sitting at the bar, and order Miller Light, and say something like "Get me a Miller Light, cuz it's Miller Time Baby!" you get paid $3 for saying it, on the premise of influencing the other patrons.
where is this wonderful bar that you speak of? might i need special considerations from the powerful ruler of such a realm to make haste and abide there, for the rest of mine days?

[KnowledgeEngine]

LOL like I said it was only a example. I guess I got the example from my fiction reading. I'm with you guys though if I could make a living off telling people what I do all day, I'd take it. Today I woke up bright and refreshed off my Wal-Mart® Brand Memory Foam Matress Topper, and went to Community Bakery for a cup of delicious fresh roasted coffee while I read the Arkansas Democrat Gazette to expand my cultural horizions. yada yada yada... I haven't needed to use my Anti-Monkey Butt Powder® this week ever since I switched to Charmin® Ultra Soft the chafing has subsided.

I don't look forward to it. In new york city they have sonic speakers now (http://blog.stayfreemagazine.org/2007/12/sound-ads-audio.html) as they get cheaper it will be hard to walk on the streets in america without being bombarded by voices in your head (Come to think of it...not much will change for me.LOL)

[doggiebag]

Dammmn that's some goood effin coffee!
http://www.bninorthwesttucson.com/news_letter_blog/uploaded_images/Rachel-Gioannini-Wow-thats-good-coffee-775174.jpg

[Mags]

Paid marketing on the trail itself, no matter what you call it, is rather skeevy IMO.

My own little spot in cyberspace gets offers on occasion for product placements. I politely decline.

I honestly don't think there is anything wrong to talk well about products you happen to use and like..but when it comes to shilling stuff you just get paid for, rather than use and actually like, well...I dunno.

I know. I know. It is not the how the world works. But it is how I work. :o

[flemdawg1]

Used the "ask the seller a question" Feature:
Will your hiker name be "Corporate Hoe"?

[doggiebag]

...........

[envirodiver]

LOL like I said it was only a example. I guess I got the example from my fiction reading. I'm with you guys though if I could make a living off telling people what I do all day, I'd take it. Today I woke up bright and refreshed off my Wal-Mart® Brand Memory Foam Matress Topper, and went to Community Bakery for a cup of delicious fresh roasted coffee while I read the Arkansas Democrat Gazette to expand my cultural horizions. yada yada yada... I haven't needed to use my Anti-Monkey Butt Powder® this week ever since I switched to Charmin® Ultra Soft the chafing has subsided.

I don't look forward to it. In new york city they have sonic speakers now (http://blog.stayfreemagazine.org/2007/12/sound-ads-audio.html) as they get cheaper it will be hard to walk on the streets in america without being bombarded by voices in your head (Come to think of it...not much will change for me.LOL)

Sounds just like the Nascar after race interview. Nobody can get more sponsers names in a 1 min. interview than Nascar drivers. While wearing/drinking/holding up other sponsors stuff.

[KnowledgeEngine]

Sounds just like the Nascar after race interview. Nobody can get more sponsers names in a 1 min. interview than Nascar drivers. While wearing/drinking/holding up other sponsors stuff.

So got the job then I take it? Yeah!

[The Weasel]

Hyoh.

Tw

[Programbo]

I don`t know..With the tiny packs modern thru-hikers carry they won`t get a very large advertisement...Unless they tie a mini-blimp on it and pull it along

[Flush2wice]

I was at a Smokies shelter one time and some dude was trying to sell us some Jesus real hard. Nobody liked it and we finally had to gang up on him to shut him up. What's the dif?

[4eyedbuzzard]

I was at a Smokies shelter one time and some dude was trying to sell us some Jesus real hard. Nobody liked it and we finally had to gang up on him to shut him up. What's the dif?

He wanted you to pay with your soul, not just your money.

I'd be less annoyed by a Jetboil salesman. (No offense intended to Jetboil)

[doggiebag]

There was a period when I wasn't working and a Jehovas Witness knocked on the door. Having a little time on my hands and feeling somewhat kinder than normal. I listened to her little intro and accepted a pamphlet. Big effin mistake. For something like 2 weeks at random times her minions would swing by. I had to pretend I only spoke spanish at one point. Then they'd send a spanish speaking person ... it was kinda funny for a while.

[KnowledgeEngine]

I must be confused. I thought I got the job of being a nascar driver. I don't want to hawk good while I hike...but if I can drive in nascar, I'd take that job.

I guess they looked way back on my driving record and found the DUI. Gosh durnit.

[sofaking]

There was a period when I wasn't working and a Jehovas Witness knocked on the door. Having a little time on my hands and feeling somewhat kinder than normal. I listened to her little intro and accepted a pamphlet. Big effin mistake. For something like 2 weeks at random times her minions would swing by. I had to pretend I only spoke spanish at one point. Then they'd send a spanish speaking person ... it was kinda funny for a while.
was she hot? :-?

[doggiebag]

was she hot? :-?
To be honest with you at one point 2 cuties showed up. I'm serious.
But my place was a wreck and I knew what the deal was. Hell of a recruitment technique. Funny you mentioned the hot factor. They knew
what sells. :D

[JAK]

They crime is in all the junk we buy, the energy that goes into it, and how soon it ends up in land fills. How we happen to pay for it all is not so important, but we should be promoting sustainability. Anything short of sustainability is unsustainable. Even a child knows that much. When are these recently graduated marketing geniuses going to start promoting sustainability? Have they learned nothing? Don't they know that sustainability is the new plastic? So much for higher education.

Mr. McGuire: Just one word.
Benjamin: Yes, sir.
Mr. McGuire: Are you listening?
Benjamin: Yes, I am.
Mr. McGuire: Sustainability.
Benjamin: Just how do you mean that, sir?
Mr. McGuire: If you can fake that, the rest is easy.

[4eyedbuzzard]

To be honest with you at one point 2 cuties showed up. I'm serious.
But my place was a wreck and I knew what the deal was. Hell of a recruitment technique. Funny you mentioned the hot factor. They knew
what sells. :D

The LDS works the same way in Utah. They send the blonde hotties to try to recruit young guys into their cul -- er ah -- religion. And vice-versa - good looking young guys to recruit prospective young women.

Sometimes I humored them. Always used to offer 'em a cup of coffee or a beer as well. They usually left us alone after they found out my wife is a Jew. :D

[doggiebag]

I wouldn't get too bent out of shape over this whole thing. The oldest human fossil dates to 160,000 years ago. The earth in comparison is 4,500,000,000 years old. We're just a blink of an eye when it comes to how long we've been on this planet. Like other species we'll more than likely wipe ourselves out eventually. Enjoy the stay. Though it's sad on how sustainability is not being practiced in exchange for profit. The world will eventually move on with or without us. Plastic or no plastic. I'm just around for the laughs.

[sofaking]

To be honest with you at one point 2 cuties showed up. I'm serious.
But my place was a wreck and I knew what the deal was. Hell of a recruitment technique. Funny you mentioned the hot factor. They knew
what sells. :D
if the mormons sent chicks out on missions, instead of the second string football players, the lds would probably have even more members and be even scarier...

[doggiebag]

The LDS works the same way in Utah. They send the blonde hotties to try to recruit young guys into their cul -- er ah -- religion. And vice-versa - good looking young guys to recruit prospective young women.

Sometimes I humored them. Always used to offer 'em a cup of coffee or a beer as well. They usually left us alone after they found out my wife is a Jew. :D

I was raised a catholic. Then I grew up. I respect people for any and all beliefs. Unfortunately most if not all current belief systems have a high body count associated with them. I'll still chat with their honeys though. :D
I just try to live the best I can - and if that's not good enough - oh well. I read someones writing once to the effect ... and I'm paraphrasing here: "Has it ever occured to you that what we consider our current existence might actually be some other planets hell?" :D

[sofaking]

I was raised a catholic. Then I grew up. I respect people for any and all beliefs. Unfortunately most if not all current belief systems have a high body count associated with them. I'll still chat with their honeys though. :D
I just try to live the best I can - and if that's not good enough - oh well. I read someones writing once to the effect ... and I'm paraphrasing here: "Has it ever occured to you that what we consider our current existence might actually be some other planets hell?" :D
sounds like vonnegut maybe?

[Flush2wice]

I was at a Smokies shelter one time and some dude was trying to sell us some Jesus real hard. Nobody liked it and we finally had to gang up on him to shut him up. What's the dif?
The question is the dif is in dollars or souls. The hawker's motivation differs but it's just as annoying.

[doggiebag]

sounds like vonnegut maybe?
It could very well be ... I just looked up his writings, I like the cynical SOB right off the bat.

[sofaking]

vonnegut wasn't cynical, he's one of the most optimistic authors i've ever read. he actually had faith in man's ability to act decently...maybe not often enough, but he recognized the potential.

[doggiebag]

vonnegut wasn't cynical, he's one of the most optimistic authors i've ever read. he actually had faith in man's ability to act decently...maybe not often enough, but he recognized the potential.
That's just a initial observation. I was scanning his quotes. Deep thinker - way ahead of his time.

[Flush2wice]

did Vonnegut hike?

[sofaking]

That's just a initial observation. I was scanning his quotes. Deep thinker - way ahead of his time.
i'm just voicing personal opinion. the dude definitely had a dark sense of humor, and a pretty progressive social stance... i'm going to have to re-read some of kurt...

[sofaking]

did Vonnegut hike?
chainsmoked pall malls...maybe did a little forced marching in dresden...

[doggiebag]

did Vonnegut hike?
He writes like someone detached enough from the mundane.

It'll make some good reading. I like this one:
"I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different."

or something different:
"It is a very mixed blessing to be brought back from the dead."

He just died last year.
There's a lot to be said for good reading material on the trail.

[Flush2wice]

chainsmoked pall malls...maybe did a little forced marching in dresden...
tongue in cheek

[sofaking]

he was a ripe old, um, guy...i got kind of slack on keeping up with his more recent stuff after the npr stories...

[4eyedbuzzard]

vonnegut wasn't cynical, he's one of the most optimistic authors i've ever read. he actually had faith in man's ability to act decently...maybe not often enough, but he recognized the potential.

Actually I think Vonegut was a bit (or more) of a cynic in the classical sense - espousing virtue and rejecting the customs and mores he found hypocritical and unethical. There is nothing wrong with good old fashioned cynicism. Keeps us all in our place if we bother to listen critically.

[doggiebag]

Actually I think Vonegut was a bit (or more) of a cynic in the classical sense - espousing virtue and rejecting the customs and mores he found hypocritical and unethical. There is nothing wrong with good old fashioned cynicism. Keeps us all in our place if we bother to listen critically.
I've never had a problem with cynicism. Human beings really haven't evolved much since we were living in the stone age. Sure there's the internet and the 7-11 around the corner. But trully evolving ... I mean were the only species that still kills for entertainment. Being a cynic keeps you from being disappointed in folks in general and it helps relieve stress.

[sofaking]

cats, orcas, dolphins...

[doggiebag]

cats, orcas, dolphins...
Maybe I shoud have said kills each other for entertainment. But we digress and have gone into major thread drift.
I still hope the amicable business majors do the hard sell on the preparation-h to anyone they meet on the trail.

[JAK]

vonnegut wasn't cynical, he's one of the most optimistic authors i've ever read. he actually had faith in man's ability to act decently...maybe not often enough, but he recognized the potential.

"I don't consider myself a pessimist. I think of a pessimist as someone who is waiting for it to rain. And I feel soaked to the skin."
- Leonard Cohen

[4eyedbuzzard]

Then again, maybe we don't kill each other enough. :-?

A lot of the worlds problems would be minimized if there were only 1 billion of us rather than 6 utilizing resources. The only obstacle is choosing which 5 billion to be culled from the human herd. Of course, that COULDN'T include us. I think that's pretty obvious. :rolleyes:

:-? Maybe if we only got rid of the inferior humans. :eek: Hmm. Nah, that's not going to turn out well...

We now return to our regularly scheduled program of killing for entertainment...:o

When is Survivor on next?

Perhaps "Survivor AT" is in the cards - with embedded advertising, of course.

[doggiebag]

Then again, maybe we don't kill each other enough. :-?

A lot of the worlds problems would be minimized if there were only 1 billion of us rather than 6 utilizing resources. The only obstacle is choosing which 5 billion to be culled from the human herd. Of course, that COULDN'T include us. I think that's pretty obvious. :rolleyes:

:-? Maybe if we only got rid of the inferior humans. :eek: Hmm. Nah, that's not going to turn out well...

We now return to our regularly scheduled program of killing for entertainment...:o

When is Survivor on next?

Perhaps "Survivor AT" is in the cards - with embedded advertising, of course.

Well since were on the subject.
Culling the herd might as well be practical and fun. Let me throw out some ideas on our little brain storm. I say we start with:
Richard Simmons, Oprah Winfrey, anyone still wearing a mullet, slack packers, vegans, that cop that gave me a $200. dollar ticket for double parking, all his relatives, guys that wink when they tell a joke, anyone over 30 that still flashes the peace sign (and means it), Anyone that replies with "right on" every third sentence, might as well throw in Katie Couric and Nancy Grace while I'm at it throw in Paul Schaffer and his orchestra to the list.

[sofaking]

katie couric is a HAWT gilf...leave her out of this

[sofaking]

i LUFF her...nasty boots

[flemdawg1]

Really need to change the title there. I thought some hottie was literally "tramping" down the trail.

[doggiebag]

Really need to change the title there. I thought some hottie was literally "tramping" down the trail.
Instead of crabs you'll catch ticks.