shipping white fuel

[fta]

looking to thru hike the ct in sept wondering if you can ship white fuel or iso butane through the mail more of what im asking is you think i could get away with it with out the post office taking it????????

[sheepdog]

knock knock
who's there?
saint
saint who?
saint happening.

[Sly]

Yeah you want to stick to a canister, alcohol or Esbit stove. Here's some directions on mailing.

http://www.gottawalk.com/shipping_fuel.htm

[Phreak]

US Postal Service regulations regarding shipping alcohol:

4.0 FLAMMABLE AND COMBUSTIBLE LIQUIDS (HAZARD CLASS 3)
Definitions
4.1
The terms used in the standards that apply to hazard class 3 are defined as
follows:
a. Flammable liquid means a liquid that has a flashpoint of not more than 141°F
(60.5°C), or any material in a liquid phase that has a flashpoint at or
above100°F (38°C).
b. Combustible liquid means any liquid that does not meet the definition of any
other hazard class and has a flashpoint above 141°F (60.5°C) and below
200°F (93°C). Note: A flammable liquid with a flashpoint at or above 100°F
(38°C) that does not meet the definition of any other hazard class may be
reclassified as a combustible liquid per 49 CFR 173.120(b).
Flammable Liquid
Mailability
4.2
Flammable liquid is prohibited in international mail. Flammable liquid with a
flashpoint of 20°F (-7°C) or below is prohibited in domestic mail. Other flammable
liquid is prohibited in domestic mail via air transportation but is permitted via
surface transportation if the material can qualify as an ORM-D material and meet
the following conditions as applicable:
a. The flashpoint is above 20°F (-7°C) but no more than 73°F (23°C); the liquid
is in a metal primary receptacle not exceeding 1 quart, or in another type of
primary receptacle not exceeding 1 pint, per mailpiece; enough cushioning
surrounds the primary receptacle to absorb all potential leakage; the
cushioning and primary receptacle are packed within a securely sealed
secondary container that is placed within a strong outer shipping container;
and each mailpiece is plainly and durably marked on the address side with
“Surface Only” or “Surface Mail Only” and “ORM-D” immediately following or
below the proper shipping name.
b. The flashpoint is above 73°F (23°C) but less than 100°F (38°C); the liquid is
in a metal primary receptacle not exceeding 1 gallon, or in another type of
primary receptacle not exceeding 1 quart, per mailpiece; enough cushioning
surrounds the primary receptacle to absorb all potential leakage; the
cushioning and primary receptacle are placed within a securely sealed
secondary container that is placed within a strong outer shipping container;
and each mailpiece is plainly and durably marked on the address side with
“Surface Only” or “Surface Mail Only” and “ORM-D” immediately following or
below the proper shipping name.
Combustible Liquid
Mailability
4.3
Combustible liquid is prohibited in international mail. Combustible liquid is
permitted in domestic mail if the material can qualify as an ORM-D material and
meet the following conditions as applicable:
a. For surface transportation, if the flashpoint is 100°F (38°C) but no more than
141°F (60.5°C); the liquid is in a metal primary receptacle not exceeding 1
gallon, or in another type of primary receptacle not exceeding 1 quart, per
mailpiece; enough cushioning surrounds the primary receptacle to absorb all
potential leakage; the cushioning and primary receptacle are packed in a
securely sealed secondary container that is placed within a strong outer
shipping container; and each mailpiece is plainly and durably marked on the
address side with “Surface Only” or “Surface Mail Only” and “ORM-D”
immediately following or below the proper shipping name.
b. For surface or air transportation, if the flashpoint is above 141°F (60.5°C) but
no more than 200°F (93°C); the liquid is in a primary receptacle not
exceeding 1 gallon per mailpiece; enough cushioning surrounds the primary
receptacle to absorb all potential leakage; the cushioning and primary
receptacle are packed in a securely sealed secondary container that is
placed within a strong outer shipping container; and each mailpiece is plainly
and durably marked on the address side with “ORM-D” or “ORM-D AIR,” as
applicable, immediately following or below the proper shipping name.
Mailable material sent via surface transportation must be marked on the
address side as “Surface Only” or “Surface Mail Only.” For air transportation,
each mailpiece must bear a shipper’s declaration for dangerous goods.
c. For air or surface transportation, if the flashpoint is above 200°F (93°C) the
material is not regulated as a hazardous material. Such nonregulated
materials must be properly and securely packaged to prevent leakage under
the general packaging requirements in C010.
Cigarette Lighters
4.4
A cigarette lighter equipped with an ignition element and containing fuel is a Class
3 flammable liquid. A cigarette lighter that contains a flammable gas is classed as
a Division 2.1 flammable gas. A cigarette lighter containing either flammable liquid
or flammable gas is permitted only in domestic mail via surface transportation
when all of the following conditions are met:
a. The design of the lighter and its packaging are approved by the DOT
Associate Administrator for Hazardous Material Safety, per 49 CFR 173.21(i)
and 173.308; and a DOT Approval Number (T-Number) is issued.
b. The prospective mailer of the lighter submits to the appropriate RCSC
manager a written request for authorization to mail the lighter, accompanied
by a legible photocopy of the official DOT notice conveying the approval
described in 4.4a and a specimen of the actual lighter, the packaging
materials in which each lighter is to be mailed, the number of mailpieces and
mailing location; and the mailer receives from the RCSC manager a letter
approving the requested authorization for mailing.
c. When presented for mailing, the address side of the mailpiece containing the
lighter prominently displays the T-Number, the proper shipping name “Lighter
for Cigarette,” and the marking “Surface Only” or “Surface Mail Only”; all
preparation and packaging requirements in the RCSC manager's approval
letter are met; and a legible photocopy of the RCSC manager's approval
letter accompanies the mailing.

What this means to us:

Primary Receptacle
We can ship alcohol in a metal primary receptacle not to exceed 1 quart. A nonmetal primary receptacle must not exceed 1 pint. The primary receptacle must have a screw cap (with a minimum of one-and-one-half turns), soldering clips, or other means of secure closure (friction tops are not acceptable). Only one primary receptacle is permitted per mail piece.

Cushioning Material and Secondary Packaging
Enough cushioning material must surround the primary receptacle to prevent breakage and absorb any potential leakage. The cushioning and primary receptacle must be packed in a securely sealed secondary packaging.

Outer Packaging
A strong outer packaging that is capable of firmly and securely holding the primary receptacle, cushioning material, and secondary packaging is required.

Marking
Each mailpiece must be clearly marked on the address side with "Ground Service Only", "Consumer Commodity ORM-D", and the flashpoint of the flammable liquid (which is 13C/55F for denatured alcohol)

Ground Service Only
Consumer Commodity ORM-D
Flashpoint 13C/55F

[Phreak]

Make sure you print out this information and take it with you to the PO. I shipped some denatured last year, and they refused to ship it until I showed them the regulations allowing it.

[Pedaling Fool]

Make sure you print out this information and take it with you to the PO. I shipped some denatured last year, and they refused to ship it until I showed them the regulations allowing it.
I've also had this problem, a lot of POs don't know the rules.

[Lone Wolf]

I've also had this problem, a lot of POs don't know the rules.

my PO here in damascus doesn't know when or how to fly the American flag

[smokymtnsteve]

here in Fairbanks AK at the Golden Days parade and rubber duckie race...folks didn't even come to attention or salute the colors as they passed.

but lots of folks here have suppport our troops bumper stickers on thier SUVs.

[Lone Wolf]

:)happy birthday you old fart. SMS that is

[smokymtnsteve]

thank you LW,

btw I DID come to attention and salute our flag at the parade,

[mudcap]

I agree,my local PO treats everyone as a terrorist. And even when they check the regs I have to explain them.:mad:



I've also had this problem, a lot of POs don't know the rules.

[fiddlehead]

My local PO in Pennsylvania is very helpful and knows a lot of rules.
However, if you've ever seen the rulebook(s) you would be hard pressed to know them all also. THey do a dam fine job! IMO

[yappy]

We got fuel easily last year on the trail.. are ya sure you wanna ship ?

[Bob S]

You can find gasoline everyplace, no need to ship it in the mail.

[mudhead]

My local PO in Pennsylvania is very helpful and knows a lot of rules.
However, if you've ever seen the rulebook(s) you would be hard pressed to know them all also. THey do a dam fine job! IMO
Agreed.
I saw a guy pull out the (one of) rulebook and let me read it. then copied it for me, as it was written in lawyerese. NC. Pain to ship.

I took my copies to another post office, was a major hoorah. I would not try to ship if possible.