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Bulldawg
09-03-2008, 20:51
I can see now that I am going to have to buy my daughter a plant ID guide. But in the mean time, can anyone help me identify these for her. These were on the North face of Tray this past Labor Day. BTW, we were hiking in and above the low clouds blown in by the outer bands of Hurricane Gustav.

http://whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/files/1/5/3/5/4/dsc07446.jpg

http://whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/files/1/5/3/5/4/dsc07448.jpg

Turtle2
09-03-2008, 21:11
How tall was the first plant? If it was 1-2 ft tall, it might be a Solomon's Seal going to seed. Just for information, Solomon's Seal has flowers at each of the bracts. False Solomon's Seal has the same (similar) shaped leaves but with a stalk of flowers at the end. I'll do some more checking.

Jan LiteShoe
09-03-2008, 21:14
#1 looks like Solomon's Seal to me too.
Second looks familiar but I don't know the name.

Skidsteer
09-03-2008, 21:21
Looks like Solomon's Seal.

http://www.wildflower.org/image_archive/640x480/SAW/SAW_02816.JPG

Bulldawg
09-03-2008, 23:45
Looks like Solomon's Seal.



That's it Skids, Jan, and Turtle. Now what is that second one? They were EVERYWHERE up there Monday.

Groucho
09-04-2008, 12:18
That's it Skids, Jan, and Turtle. Now what is that second one? They were EVERYWHERE up there Monday.


Could be false solomon's seal.

Two Speed
09-04-2008, 12:23
Nope. Turtle2 was exactly correct.

Bulldawg, you need to take some of those classes I've been telling you about.

Groucho
09-04-2008, 12:45
Nope. Turtle2 was exactly correct.

Bulldawg, you need to take some of those classes I've been telling you about.


Plant #2; plant #1 is Solomon's Seal.

tatersalad
09-04-2008, 12:52
This is cool, saw a ton of Solomon's seal Labor day on Rabun Bald. Lot's of Indian cucumber as well.

Bob S
09-04-2008, 12:58
The only thing I worry about for plant ID is if it’s poison ivy or oak. Other then that I don’t care. I learned what they look like in all seasons years ago.

Two Speed
09-04-2008, 13:09
Plant #2; plant #1 is Solomon's Seal.Plant #2 is not either kind of Solomon's Seal.

Scratch that. Depending on perspective #2 could be false Solomon's Seal. Never seen red berries on false Solomon's Seal, though.

Groucho
09-04-2008, 13:42
Plant #2 is not either kind of Solomon's Seal.

Scratch that. Depending on perspective #2 could be false Solomon's Seal. Never seen red berries on false Solomon's Seal, though.

FSS has mottled red berries: http://dnr.metrokc.gov/wlr/PI/GO-NATIVE/PlantDisplay.aspx?PlantID=84&PhotoID=520

Two Speed
09-04-2008, 13:48
Yeah, saw that in another article, but haven't ever noticed false Solomon's Seal with red berries in Georgia. Gonna have to look around now, and see if I've been missing something.

adventurousmtnlvr
09-04-2008, 14:18
Solomon’s sealplant

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http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/82/120982-003-BDDB6D8E.gif (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic-art/553604/114802/Eurasian-Solomons-seal)any plant of the genus Polygonatum of the family Ruscaceae, consisting of about 25 species of herbaceous perennials with thick, creeping underground stems and tall, drooping stems, distributed throughout the Northern Hemisphere. The plants are particularly common in the eastern United States and Canada. They flourish in damp, wooded areas and in thickets. In the leaf axils (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/553604/Solomons-seal#) of the plants are clusters of white or greenish white flowers, which are followed by red berries (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/553604/Solomons-seal#). The leaves form two rows along the upper part of the stem. Similar plants of the genus Smilacina, known as false Solomon’s seal, bear their flower clusters at the tips of the stems.
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adventurousmtnlvr
09-04-2008, 14:20
lol, that didn't paste right sorry ... the 2nd part about COLOR says "followed by RED BERRIES"

Tha Wookie
09-05-2008, 02:57
The tell tale for false solomons seal is a zig-zagging at the meristem nodes

Two Speed
09-05-2008, 08:13
The tell tale for false solomons seal is a zig-zagging at the meristem nodesOkey dokey, got me with that one. What's a "meristem node" and where would I find that? Stem, tuber, leaves?

Next, I thought the anthers were definitive; if it has them along the length of the stem it's Solomon's Seal, if they're on the end of the stem it's false Solomon's Seal. Correct?

Bulldawg
09-05-2008, 11:16
OK, I am satisfied the first plant is soloman's seal. The second plant is the one I am wondering about now. Well really my daughter is wondering about, I don't really care so long as it isn't poison oak, etc.

Bulldawg
09-05-2008, 11:17
FSS has mottled red berries: http://dnr.metrokc.gov/wlr/PI/GO-NATIVE/PlantDisplay.aspx?PlantID=84&PhotoID=520

I don't think so, this plant was very close to the ground. Like 6-10 inches in height.

Two Speed
09-05-2008, 14:23
Some plants are just atypical; not all of them will reach 3'. Also depends on injury to the plant, suitability of the soil, water, etc.

Personally I've never seen false Solomon's Seal with red berries, but I have run across a couple of sources that say that's the case. Gonna have to look and see what I find before I come down real hard one way or another.

bloodmountainman
09-05-2008, 14:28
Redneck knowledge should be applied here. If a certain plant cannot be identified as agricultrial or medicinal, it is usually referred to as a "weed".:D

Two Speed
09-05-2008, 14:29
Oh, go and make it simple just when we've got a decent argument started. :mad:

Bulldawg
09-05-2008, 14:35
Redneck knowledge should be applied here. If a certain plant cannot be identified as agricultrial or medicinal, it is usually referred to as a "weed".:D
I tried the common ole stand by I used to get from my parents "Them berries are poisonous, don't touch 'em". It didn't work with my daughter. She is very inquisitive. She wants to know about everything. She is definitely getting some field guides for her birthday next week.