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Tinker
10-06-2008, 15:57
In many cases I've noticed that the Woman's forum contained questions which could be addressed by either sex with equal effectiveness.
I feel uncomfortable reading the Woman's forum threads, like I'm not welcome there, when, in reality, I think that some women assume that only other women can understand the way they think and feel.
I would like to help, and even comfort, all hikers in need, but feel, in some cases that the Woman's forum can be a medium which further divides men and women and fosters a feeling of alienation, or at least helplessness, among some of us men who are of the gentler (but no less manly :o) persuasion.

Am I alone?

Lone Wolf
10-06-2008, 15:59
Am I alone?

yeah probably

Tinker
10-06-2008, 16:06
yeah probably

figures....................:rolleyes:

Pedaling Fool
10-06-2008, 16:07
...men who are of the gentler (but no less manly :o) persuasion.

Am I alone?
You are very alone!

Tinker
10-06-2008, 16:18
To both of the above posters. How is it (in what sense is it ) that I am alone?
I made a number of statements in the post.
Does it not bother other male members here to peruse the Woman's forum? Should it?
I would like to think that we (as a society) have progressed to the point that we don't NEED gender-specific (either way) forums. Having been married for over 2-1/2 decades, I think I've heard a whole lot about women (mostly from my wife). If I had to rely on conversations in the workplace, most of my knowledge would have been from the man's point of view (or what I've read in books). I've been kept in the dark long ENOUGH!!!!!!!! ;).
Please be gentle with me. (Giggles).

Lone Wolf
10-06-2008, 16:21
To both of the above posters. How is it (in what sense is it ) that I am alone?
I made a number of statements in the post.
Does it not bother other male members here to peruse the Woman's forum? Should it?


it don't bug me at all. i don't have anything to add to period discussions and such:rolleyes:

Tinker
10-06-2008, 16:28
Understood.

daddytwosticks
10-06-2008, 16:29
It's that pink background...

MOWGLI
10-06-2008, 16:30
Men should have some respect and stay out of the women's forum.

Tin Man
10-06-2008, 16:32
Men should have some respect and stay out of the women's forum.

is there a peeper problem?

Tinker
10-06-2008, 16:38
Men should have some respect and stay out of the women's forum.

I agree in principal, however:

1) If we aren't all that different, why do they need a private gossip room (if that's what it is)?

2) Why don't men get (or seem to feel the need for) their own private forum?

Are we afraid that the girls will sneak a peek to see how we really are?
Are the girls afraid of the same?

Coming from one who is tired of hearing "It's just not fair"...................

Who determines what's fair?

Are fair and equal the same thing?

Can we be equal yet different?

Are we embarassed about our differences?

Pedaling Fool
10-06-2008, 16:41
Let them have their space. There's a fundamental difference between the sexes; can't draw comparisons with race/ethnicity... I like that difference, you might even say I'm obsessed with the opposite sex, but some discussions I don't even want to be around - not just the biological stuff - just the way they approach things is completely foreign to me.

Bearpaw
10-06-2008, 16:42
I could often make recommendations on women's footwear. I've been bootfitting women for over 7 years. But if they post it to the women's forum, I leave it alone. It's just that simple. If they want a male response, I figure they'll post it to General Gear Talk.

Pedaling Fool
10-06-2008, 16:44
..2) Why don't men get (or seem to feel the need for) their own private forum?
...
The way men are, I'd bet most women think that we act like this whole site is a men's forum, thus they feel the need to set up their own forum to get away from us.

kanga
10-06-2008, 16:46
I agree in principal, however:

1) If we aren't all that different, why do they need a private gossip room (if that's what it is)?

2) Why don't men get (or seem to feel the need for) their own private forum?

Are we afraid that the girls will sneak a peek to see how we really are?
Are the girls afraid of the same?

Coming from one who is tired of hearing "It's just not fair"...................

Who determines what's fair?

Are fair and equal the same thing?

Can we be equal yet different?

Are we embarassed about our differences?

tinker, i'll try to be easy on you:
do you have a period? do you use tampons or pads?
do you have breasts that give milk?
do you have to squat to pee?
do your hormones make your ankles swell and your back ache?

no? well, women want a place to talk about that without smartass input from a bunch of fellas that have no clue what they're talking about. i don't care if they're married or not. until you have a vagina, you really can't know what it can sometimes be like for a woman on the trail.
also, some women are embarrassed about men reading that sort of stuff about them.

so, while some female issues can really be enhanced by a male point of view, there is much that a woman doesn't really need your help on. in fact, the women's forum should probably be viewable only by women for it to have it's intended effect since men obviously can't help themselves from getting on there even when they're not supposed to.

on the other hand, i sincerely doubt if any of the women on this site would give a good gosh darn if you guys decided to have an only-men forum where you talk about ball sweat/chafing, crotch itch, and penis fungus.

and just so you are fully aware, LIFE is not fair.

IceAge
10-06-2008, 16:50
Does it not bother other male members here to peruse the Woman's forum?

Doesn't bother me a bit because I never go in that forum. It's for women and I ain't one.

MOWGLI
10-06-2008, 16:52
I agree in principal, however:

1) If we aren't all that different, why do they need a private gossip room (if that's what it is)?

2) Why don't men get (or seem to feel the need for) their own private forum?

Are we afraid that the girls will sneak a peek to see how we really are?
Are the girls afraid of the same?

Coming from one who is tired of hearing "It's just not fair"...................

Who determines what's fair?

Are fair and equal the same thing?

Can we be equal yet different?

Are we embarassed about our differences?


You strike me as insecure.

Tinker
10-06-2008, 16:53
I could often make recommendations on women's footwear. I've been bootfitting women for over 7 years. But if they post it to the women's forum, I leave it alone. It's just that simple. If they want a male response, I figure they'll post it to General Gear Talk.

This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. If we don't hear the question, we CAN'T help.

Tinker
10-06-2008, 16:54
You strike me as insecure.

Thanks, Sigmund.

You strike me as rude.

MOWGLI
10-06-2008, 16:54
This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. If we don't hear the question, we CAN'T help.

If they want your help, they can post in the general forum. Have some respect!

Tinker
10-06-2008, 16:55
In all respect to Mowgli, I'll give him a second (and third and fourth, etc. chance).

Nearly Normal
10-06-2008, 17:00
Give it a break.

Tinker
10-06-2008, 17:08
Give it a break.

Who and why?

Maybe these are questions that cannot be answered. :-?

Toolshed
10-06-2008, 17:10
Men should have some respect and stay out of the women's forum.
turn that around...:eek:
"Women should have some respect and stay out of the men's forum."
And you'd sound like a jackass (or at least that's what they'd say) :cool:

MOWGLI
10-06-2008, 17:15
turn that around...:eek:
"Women should have some respect and stay out of the men's forum."
And you'd sound like a jackass (or at least that's what they'd say) :cool:

If there was a Men's forum, maybe you'd be right.

Foyt20
10-06-2008, 17:19
It's that pink background...

Hahaha that was my problem too :D. I tried talking my fiancee into looking into that forum for me :p

Tinker
10-06-2008, 17:20
What would men talk about in a "Men's Only" forum - Jock itch??? Sports??? Bodily functions and the manipulation thereof???
Hey, that's what we talk about ALL THE TIME!

Now, if a woman has a knee, ankle, foot, etc. problem, why does it show up in the Woman's forum where we (even if we are orthopedic sports specialists) aren't supposed to go if we are men? (I probably should have stated it in this way in the first place. That's really my thought).

kanga
10-06-2008, 17:22
What would men talk about in a "Men's Only" forum - Jock itch??? Sports??? Bodily functions and the manipulation thereof???
Hey, that's what we talk about ALL THE TIME!

Now, if a woman has a knee, ankle, foot, etc. problem, why does it show up in the Woman's forum where we (even if we are orthopedic sports specialists) aren't supposed to go if we are men? (I probably should have stated it in this way in the first place. That's really my thought).

because "they" (the women) chose to put it there because they want "women's" advice. if they wanted advice from you, the "men", they'd put it in a general forum. i'm sorry, isn't this common sense? go back and read bearpaws post - maybe a man saying it will make it make sense.

superman
10-06-2008, 17:22
Who and why?

Maybe these are questions that cannot be answered. :-?

There is no need to answer this thread. The concept is simple. They are threads for and by females. If you need to know what's in them the women will tell you. There is no need for you to go there. Don't peek in their pocket book or their thread. If they want something from their purse...you bring the whole purse. If they want your opinion they'll ask in a thread you can read. It's secret women stuff.:)

MOWGLI
10-06-2008, 17:23
You're over analyzing Tinker. If they wanted YOUR opinion, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE POSTED THERE!!!

kanga
10-06-2008, 17:24
There is no need to answer this thread. The concept is simple. They are threads for and by females. If you need to know what's in them the women will tell you. There is no need for you to go there. Don't peek in their pocket book or their thread. If they want something from their purse...you bring the whole purse. If they want your opinion they'll ask in a thread you can read. It's secret women stuff.:)

holy ****, you sound like the "perfect man". what's wrong with you?

MOWGLI
10-06-2008, 17:27
holy ****, you sound like the "perfect man". what's wrong with you?

I'm more perfecter. It's really a sinister guy plot to lull you into a false sense of security so we can take advantage of you. :rolleyes:

superman
10-06-2008, 17:27
holy ****, you sound like the "perfect man". what's wrong with you?

LOL, yeah I'm a perfect man and I wouldn't lie to you ...10 times in a row.:)

kanga
10-06-2008, 17:28
I'm more perfecter. It's really a sinister guy plot to lull you into a false sense of security so we can take advantage of you. :rolleyes:


oh. well that sucks. i thought there might be more to it than the myth. sigh.

kanga
10-06-2008, 17:29
LOL, yeah I'm a perfect man and I wouldn't lie to you ...10 times in a row.:)

ok, now you sound normal. i was getting my hopes up...

MOWGLI
10-06-2008, 17:30
oh. well that sucks. i thought there might be more to it than the myth. sigh.

I was just kidding. The rolling eyes meant <sarcasm alert>.

Honestly, I have pressed for excluding men from the women's forum for a number of years - without success. I have NEVER posted there, and NEVER will. It's simple common courtesy.

superman
10-06-2008, 17:34
I was just kidding. The rolling eyes meant <sarcasm alert>.

Honestly, I have pressed for excluding men from the women's forum for a number of years - without success. I have NEVER posted there, and NEVER will. It's simple common courtesy.

Holy hoot Jim, do you think she'll go for that line? It seemed to obvious for me to say that. I'll just sit over here and watch the master work.

kanga
10-06-2008, 17:36
I was just kidding. The rolling eyes meant <sarcasm alert>.

oh, ok. :D


Honestly, I have pressed for excluding men from the women's forum for a number of years - without success. I have NEVER posted there, and NEVER will. It's simple common courtesy.

and we love you for it. however, i have noticed that common courtesy is not so common as you might think.

kanga
10-06-2008, 17:37
Holy hoot Jim, do you think she'll go for that line? It seemed to obvious for me to say that. I'll just sit over here and watch the master work.
yeah, i'm really a softie ( DO NOT tell a soul!) and i went for it! :D

smokymtnsteve
10-06-2008, 17:40
PLEASE STAND FOR THE GOSPEL OF ABBEY!

"It is the difference between men and women, not the sameness, that creates the tension and the delight."


THANKS BE TO ABBEY!

Foyt20
10-06-2008, 17:49
I like the pocketbook analogy. I got made fun of the other day for bringing someone their whole pocketbook at work when they asked for their cellphone clipped to the strap, but sitting in a pocket (man those pocketbooks have more pockets and spaces then a 7000 ci backpack).

leeki pole
10-06-2008, 17:51
hey tinker, try raising two daughters and a loving wife, the only male in the household.....you keep your mouth closed....seems like discretion is the better part of valor....just saying....

smokymtnsteve
10-06-2008, 17:52
I was just kidding. The rolling eyes meant <sarcasm alert>.

Honestly, I have pressed for excluding men from the women's forum for a number of years - without success. I have NEVER posted there, and NEVER will. It's simple common courtesy.


Oh..:rolleyes:

what about that young lady with the peanut butter at THE PLACE?:D

MOWGLI
10-06-2008, 17:54
Oh..:rolleyes:

what about that young lady with the peanut butter at THE PLACE?:D

Lets not rehash that episode. ;)

superman
10-06-2008, 17:56
I like the pocketbook analogy. I got made fun of the other day for bringing someone their whole pocketbook at work when they asked for their cellphone clipped to the strap, but sitting in a pocket (man those pocketbooks have more pockets and spaces then a 7000 ci backpack).

You did the right thing. Learning those things young will help you get to my age.:)

smokymtnsteve
10-06-2008, 17:57
Lets not rehash that episode. ;);)

OK your secret is safe with me ;):D

budforester
10-06-2008, 18:15
Starting from “Today’s Posts” some thread titles aren’t obvious; so I’ve blundered into the female forum, too. The last column shows which forum, if I remember to check on that; I wish the titles could be flagged somehow, or the “Forum” column displayed closer to the titles.

The Solemates
10-06-2008, 18:21
I think we should have a men-only forum. :eek:

LIhikers
10-06-2008, 18:24
Are fair and equal the same thing?


Well here's one I can answer.................
Life isn't fair and no two people are equal

Tinker
10-06-2008, 18:25
I think we should have a men-only forum. :eek:

Honestly, why not?

Bob S
10-06-2008, 18:27
I would like to think that we (as a society) have progressed to the point that we don't NEED gender-specific (either way) forums.

Itís called political correctness, and itís here to stay. :(

smokymtnsteve
10-06-2008, 18:31
I think we should have a men-only forum. :eek:

ooo baby, just the boys?

bloodmountainman
10-06-2008, 18:31
Itís called political correctness, and itís here to stay. :(
Kanga has the best definition of PC I have ever seen in her signiture line!
She always says it like it is!!:D

Tinker
10-06-2008, 18:40
OK. Time to confess........

The reason that I posted the orig. set of questions is that I read a post title from a woman who said that she was "so depressed". When I moved my cursor under the post title I began to read about her disappointment because of not being able to hike with her dad, whose knee had been injured. Being the compassionate person that I am, I was touched by what I read. When I clicked under the post title, I was disappointed to see that it was in the Women's forum, meaning that I shouldn't read it. I did anyway, but didn't know whether to respond or not. A man eventually did, giving a brilliant answer to her dilemma. I typed in that I wondered what a woman would say, and the response from a woman was that women don't post these kinds of things in the open forum because (paraphrasing) that they didn't want any snide remarks like mine. I didn't mean to be snide or rude, but I was trying to make the point that men might have valid and valuable insight to the emotional stresses that face women.
That's the story.

gungho
10-06-2008, 18:41
This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. If we don't hear the question, we CAN'T help.

If they wanted our opinion they would put it on another forum. If it is a female specific forum, then it should be respected

superman
10-06-2008, 18:47
OK. Time to confess........

The reason that I posted the orig. set of questions is that I read a post title from a woman who said that she was "so depressed". When I moved my cursor under the post title I began to read about her disappointment because of not being able to hike with her dad, whose knee had been injured. Being the compassionate person that I am, I was touched by what I read. When I clicked under the post title, I was disappointed to see that it was in the Women's forum, meaning that I shouldn't read it. I did anyway, but didn't know whether to respond or not. A man eventually did, giving a brilliant answer to her dilemma. I typed in that I wondered what a woman would say, and the response from a woman was that women don't post these kinds of things in the open forum because (paraphrasing) that they didn't want any snide remarks like mine. I didn't mean to be snide or rude, but I was trying to make the point that men might have valid and valuable insight to the emotional stresses that face women.
That's the story.
and that is why you shouldn't go there. You caused yourself conflict. If you just don't go there you won't think that you have an opinion about "their" issues. Just don't go there.

Tinker
10-06-2008, 18:52
If I couldn't have read part of her story, and if I'd realized that it was in the Woman's forum (waaaaaaaay over in the right hand column), I wouldn't have.

Time for a Men's only forum.

Equal rights=equal opportunities.

superman
10-06-2008, 19:05
If I couldn't have read part of her story, and if I'd realized that it was in the Woman's forum (waaaaaaaay over in the right hand column), I wouldn't have.

Time for a Men's only forum.

Equal rights=equal opportunities.

No offense guy but it's not getting a lot of traction. Guys don't care about that stuff. Maybe we should and could find out why we should if we went into the secret guy thread but... never mind I lost interst in talking about having a secret guy thread.:)

Tinker
10-06-2008, 19:06
Oh, come on! We could talk about lots of stuff.

NICKTHEGREEK
10-06-2008, 19:14
I wish the recent threads box for each women's forum post was color coded so I wouldn't waste time opening it. If women want either a man's or a gender neutral perspective, post where everyone can answer.

budforester
10-06-2008, 19:17
OK, there's an option in my control panel to ignore other users. Is there a way I can keep the Female Hiking Forum from coming up "new Posts"?

Bumpa
10-06-2008, 19:20
Penis fungus?????

superman
10-06-2008, 19:21
Oh, come on! We could talk about lots of stuff.

OK, I figured it out by looking at your interests....you think too much. Careful, that can cause an anurism.:D

superman
10-06-2008, 19:25
Penis fungus?????

Is that what the other team is talking about or do you have that?

Tinker
10-06-2008, 19:33
OK, I figured it out by looking at your interests....you think too much. Careful, that can cause an anurism.:D
.........Or an aneurysm (I hear that they're much more deadly). :p
You're probably right. I want the world to be perfect, and fairness seems to be in the eye of the beholder. I admit that I might be missing something in understanding here, and probably am.

Blissful
10-06-2008, 19:35
As I said in the women's forum, I'm glad a guy came along to help when we were discussing town backpacks before my hike. He made one for me and it was wonderful! Used it my entire hike. I think guys have a lot to offer in certain threads, and other threads they don't because they are---uh, guys! Plus there are guys I'm sure who genuinely want to find out about things from a women's perspective for their wives, girlfriends, and daughters who want to hike. I don't see a problem with checking out what is happening. But if you want to jump in on a thread and wonder if it's appropriate, you can always PM the moderator.

Roots
10-06-2008, 19:45
tinker, i'll try to be easy on you:
do you have a period? do you use tampons or pads?
do you have breasts that give milk?
do you have to squat to pee?
do your hormones make your ankles swell and your back ache?

no? well, women want a place to talk about that without smartass input from a bunch of fellas that have no clue what they're talking about. i don't care if they're married or not. until you have a vagina, you really can't know what it can sometimes be like for a woman on the trail.
also, some women are embarrassed about men reading that sort of stuff about them.

so, while some female issues can really be enhanced by a male point of view, there is much that a woman doesn't really need your help on. in fact, the women's forum should probably be viewable only by women for it to have it's intended effect since men obviously can't help themselves from getting on there even when they're not supposed to.

on the other hand, i sincerely doubt if any of the women on this site would give a good gosh darn if you guys decided to have an only-men forum where you talk about ball sweat/chafing, crotch itch, and penis fungus.

and just so you are fully aware, LIFE is not fair.

OMG....That was so good, Kanga, I felt a tear building up. HEEHEE...LMAO!!! Straight and definitely to the point.;):D

If I want advise from anyone I go to other forums. If I want advice from a woman's point of view I go to the women's forum. Pretty simple. We do have issues different than men that men will never understand. Men have issues we can't understand. That is the point for a woman's forum.

Tinker
10-06-2008, 19:45
Great tip to check with the moderator.

I just checked the Woman's forum description for the first time and found that it is for women ONLY. I will keep my nose out from now on. I just wish that BOTH genders would classify themselves as HUMAN first, then gender, race, religion, etc. That would be my perfect world. That world isn't here .........yet.

Blissful
10-06-2008, 19:53
Well, the class forums say for 2008, 2009 hikers only, but I jump in there if I have some advice, etc. So not certain that is a firm rule, per say.

Tinker
10-06-2008, 19:59
tinker, i'll try to be easy on you:
do you have a period? do you use tampons or pads?
do you have breasts that give milk?
do you have to squat to pee?
do your hormones make your ankles swell and your back ache?

no? well, women want a place to talk about that without smartass input from a bunch of fellas that have no clue what they're talking about. i don't care if they're married or not. until you have a vagina, you really can't know what it can sometimes be like for a woman on the trail.
also, some women are embarrassed about men reading that sort of stuff about them.

so, while some female issues can really be enhanced by a male point of view, there is much that a woman doesn't really need your help on. in fact, the women's forum should probably be viewable only by women for it to have it's intended effect since men obviously can't help themselves from getting on there even when they're not supposed to.

on the other hand, i sincerely doubt if any of the women on this site would give a good gosh darn if you guys decided to have an only-men forum where you talk about ball sweat/chafing, crotch itch, and penis fungus.

and just so you are fully aware, LIFE is not fair.

Gee. I'm sure sorry I read this. Sorry you don't know me. I grew up with three sisters, a drunk for a dad, and a wonderful, caring mom.
I've been fully aware that life isn't fair. I sure wish it was, though.
As far as personal hygeine, no, I don't care to discuss that with women (unless they come to me). My wife is a breast cancer survivor, so I know a little about that. My testosterone used to make me fly off the handle at the drop of a hat. I'm glad that's diminished. One of my old friends just died of prostate cancer. I went to his memorial service today.
I will try to help anyone with questions that they may have about hiking, though, whether they are young or old, male or female, rich or poor. I've been around the block a few times and have seen and experienced much. I feel it is my obligation to share what I know with others, not to puff myself up, but so they don't have to go through the stuff I went through, and so that they might not take some of the turns in life I have, so they might be better off.
We ARE all different. We should make the MOST of our similarities and the LEAST of our differences.
T.

Tinker
10-06-2008, 20:04
OK, there's an option in my control panel to ignore other users. Is there a way I can keep the Female Hiking Forum from coming up "new Posts"?

Given the ugly pot which I have stirred up, I request a function similar to the one above.

Thanks.

Lyle
10-06-2008, 20:11
OK. Time to confess........

The reason that I posted the orig. set of questions is that I read a post title from a woman who said that she was "so depressed". When I moved my cursor under the post title I began to read about her disappointment because of not being able to hike with her dad, whose knee had been injured. Being the compassionate person that I am, I was touched by what I read. When I clicked under the post title, I was disappointed to see that it was in the Women's forum, meaning that I shouldn't read it. I did anyway, but didn't know whether to respond or not. A man eventually did, giving a brilliant answer to her dilemma. I typed in that I wondered what a woman would say, and the response from a woman was that women don't post these kinds of things in the open forum because (paraphrasing) that they didn't want any snide remarks like mine. I didn't mean to be snide or rude, but I was trying to make the point that men might have valid and valuable insight to the emotional stresses that face women.
That's the story.

I read that post. Nothing snide about your remark. I was also taken aback by the response you got. I just took it as silly foot stomping and pouting. A totally unjustified display of "power". I just decided to completely avoid the Women's Forum in the future. Totally silly.

Lone Wolf
10-06-2008, 20:15
I agree in principal, however:

1) If we aren't all that different, why do they need a private gossip room (if that's what it is)?

2) Why don't men get (or seem to feel the need for) their own private forum?

Are we afraid that the girls will sneak a peek to see how we really are?
Are the girls afraid of the same?

Coming from one who is tired of hearing "It's just not fair"...................

Who determines what's fair?

Are fair and equal the same thing?

Can we be equal yet different?

Are we embarassed about our differences?

dude. what gives? why such an interest in ladie's issues? :-?

Pokey2006
10-06-2008, 20:22
Tinker, it can't be all about how you feel and how you can contribute to a discussion. The fact of the matter is, a lot of women are simply not comfortable talking about many backpacking-related topics with men, especially women who are new to it. Grooming, safety, how to deal with one's family back home -- these are things that are unique when it comes to women, and that men simply cannot identify with. Even if YOU are especially sensitive, that doesn't mean other men are, or that women should automatically be comfortable talking to you just because you say you are sensitive to women's issues.

And it has nothing to do with political correctness.

That said, I do think a lot of questions are asked in the women's forum that could or should be asked in the general forums. I personally try to post mostly in the general forums.

A lot of men also post there by accident, since those posts show up on the same list of "new posts" as other forums. Maybe there's a way to do that differently.

Tin Man
10-06-2008, 20:24
dude. what gives? why such an interest in ladie's issues? :-?

he's just showing his sensitive side. must cry at chick flicks too.

let the girls have their privacy, no peeking :cool:

Tinker
10-06-2008, 20:30
Pokey, I think (or at least hope) that the moderators are looking into some safeguard to prevent men from looking into those most personal matters women share among each other, not the least of which being where they will be on the trail at a given time. Some things SOME men just SHOULDN'T know. You're right. Some folks aren't who they say they are, and the internet is a very secure place for them to hide and do their evil deeds.

Toolshed
10-06-2008, 20:33
So start a men's only forum and be done with it..
Just be prepared for a lot of bitching and whining about sexism. It's amazing how perpectives change if you flip through these forums and swap out Men for Women and vice versa.

Pokey2006
10-06-2008, 20:34
It's not just that. Many women are simply more comfortable chatting and sharing and asking questions with OTHER WOMEN. Many women are uncomfortable opening up with men. And there are issues that are unique to women, such as periods and whatnot.

I liked Marta's idea from the other thread to simply request that a thread be moved if you think it belongs more in the general forum.

And yes, your comment over there was inappropriate.

Tinker
10-06-2008, 20:34
dude. what gives? why such an interest in ladie's issues? :-?

Do I need a reason to care about others? I have an interest in men's issues, too. I really am a big softie. Riding a motorcycle hasn't helped, either. What's a fella to do???;)

I hear you're a big softie, too. You hide it well, though.

Pokey2006
10-06-2008, 20:37
So start a men's only forum and be done with it..
Just be prepared for a lot of bitching and whining about sexism. It's amazing how perpectives change if you flip through these forums and swap out Men for Women and vice versa.

I wouldn't be able to care less if men wanted to start a men's only forum. I'm able to refrain myself from posting in "class of 2008 only" forums, for the most part. I think I could manage to keep myself out of a "men's only forum." I doubt I'd have any interest at all in reading about your jock itch. There are plenty of other forums on here to read.

MOWGLI
10-06-2008, 20:40
Itís called political correctness, and itís here to stay. :(

Nonsense.

Tinker
10-06-2008, 20:40
It's not just that. Many women are simply more comfortable chatting and sharing and asking questions with OTHER WOMEN. Many women are uncomfortable opening up with men. And there are issues that are unique to women, such as periods and whatnot.

I liked Marta's idea from the other thread to simply request that a thread be moved if you think it belongs more in the general forum.

And yes, your comment over there was inappropriate.

My comment was poorly worded. I didn't think about how it would be taken. Tongue-in-cheek doesn't work very well for me.

From now on, I am restricting myself from the Women's only forum.
I don't fully understand, but I have a better grasp of the necessity of a private forum for women. I'll just have to let it be.

yaduck9
10-06-2008, 21:06
Why in the world would I want to discuss "penis fungus" with my male friends?

max patch
10-06-2008, 21:15
I think the idea of making the girls forum a subscription forum is a good one; oftentimes I'll click on a "new post" and not realize that it is in the girls forum until I get there.

Impossible to keep a guy out, though, who wants to eavesdrop on the conversations.

Tin Man
10-06-2008, 21:19
Impossible to keep a guy out, though, who wants to eavesdrop on the conversations.

yep, plus there are posers everywhere. it's not like the send key can detect who is doing the entering

rickb
10-06-2008, 21:40
I think the idea of making the girls forum a subscription forum is a good one; oftentimes I'll click on a "new post" and not realize that it is in the girls forum until I get there.

Good solution.

It came from a man, right?

Tin Man
10-06-2008, 21:57
Good solution.

It came from a man, right?

yep, apparently we are well known for no self control :rolleyes:

Toolshed
10-07-2008, 11:58
So Mods. Make it Subscription only and be done. You know where the IPS are coming from so you know if there are any posers when they request to join.
Problem solved.
What's left? Lean-to discussions with Homer????? Yikes. Maybe I will go back to the women's forum and talk about men problems. :rolleyes:

Alligator
10-07-2008, 12:17
Starting from “Today’s Posts” some thread titles aren’t obvious; so I’ve blundered into the female forum, too. The last column shows which forum, if I remember to check on that; I wish the titles could be flagged somehow, or the “Forum” column displayed closer to the titles.There's already a complete change of forum display when you click on a thread.


I wish the recent threads box for each women's forum post was color coded so I wouldn't waste time opening it. If women want either a man's or a gender neutral perspective, post where everyone can answer.They tend to do that. However most members generally aren't perfect when they select a forum to post in. Occasionally the women do ask questions in there that appear to be general in nature. But then again, sometimes general questions are asked in the wrong specific forum. Moderators from time to time do move threads to the appropriate locations.


I think the idea of making the girls forum a subscription forum is a good one; oftentimes I'll click on a "new post" and not realize that it is in the girls forum until I get there.

Impossible to keep a guy out, though, who wants to eavesdrop on the conversations.


yep, plus there are posers everywhere. it's not like the send key can detect who is doing the enteringYes, so we work on the honor system rather than waste a lot of effort setting up a subscription forum that has no way to verify gender.

IPs are not color coded;).

It's always the men who have a problem with this:p.

JAK
10-07-2008, 13:39
Women are special.

Toolshed
10-09-2008, 19:48
It's always the men who have a problem with this:p.
Gator, It does Grind me a bit when I see what I consider foolish questions like What's up with men on the trail", "what about men on the trail?" the whole pinkblazing situation, and then that whackjob from NJ (NOt you Hick, ANother one :D) that was hiking barefoot and creating her own problems on the board.
But I will act like an adult, or at least try to act at a level not less than middle school, but it will be hard ("that's what sh....") Nope there I go again...
OK What can I say..... I will try to maintain common courtesy ....:-?

Now about those massholes that we keep seeing.......
:p

mudhead
10-10-2008, 05:14
I doubt I'd have any interest at all in reading about your jock itch. There are plenty of other forums on here to read.

You should at least read about it once or twice. Can be caused by a really happy to grow type of yeast. I figure you can see the connection.

Bearpaw
10-10-2008, 09:07
So Mods. Make it Subscription only and be done. You know where the IPS are coming from so you know if there are any posers when they request to join.
Problem solved.

Not necessarily. My wife is a WB member also. We use the same computer most of the time we're logged on. So my IP would show up for both of us. One male, one female. No posers.

The Solemates
10-10-2008, 09:27
ooo baby, just the boys?

ok now im scared. scratch that idea...:eek:

Toolshed
10-14-2008, 21:45
Not necessarily. My wife is a WB member also. We use the same computer most of the time we're logged on. So my IP would show up for both of us. One male, one female. No posers.
Great point. If I get caught in the womann's forum again, I'll tell them it was my wife :D Maybe Marta will have some sympathy for my ass!!!!:eek:

Marta
10-15-2008, 06:53
... Maybe Marta will have some sympathy for my ass!!!!:eek:

Never!;)

But the points y'all are raising are the pretty much the same ones that were brought up when the practicality of making some sort of women-only-can-read-it forum came up.

The Old Fhart
10-15-2008, 07:51
Seeing it was my reply in the "So Depressed" thread that triggered this almost totally useless thread, I do have a comment to make.

The post I made in that thread where the OP was very upset at not being able to go on a scheduled hike with her dad because he had an leg injury said: "Excuse me for replying in this thread but I'd suggest the 2 of you still go but change the focus of the trip. You could still go on a trip and basically car-camp and visit areas along the trail that interests the two of you that you might not get to see if you were just hiking. If the goal is to spend quality time with your dad, this might be a good compromise, given the circumstances. Good luck."

My post violated no TOS, was respectful, and no one was offended by it. I believe the above is the only post I've ever made in any of the Female Hiking Forum threads, and like others here, I clicked on the title before I saw where it was posted. I have to agree, after reading some of the absolutely idiotic posts in this thread, there is a good reason to keep some men out of the Female Hiking Forum.

smokymtnsteve
10-15-2008, 15:05
ok now im scared. scratch that idea...:eek:

whatca scared of ??? might be too exciting?

Sly
10-15-2008, 15:22
I've fought for a women's only forum (where only women can see it) several times with admin and other mods and it's always fallen on deaf ears. Rather than fight "city hall" I asked Alligator to have my users name "opt out" so I never see the forum. Same with hammocks and dogs. I have no interest, out of sight, out of mind.

Christus Cowboy
10-15-2008, 15:33
This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. If we don't hear the question, we CAN'T help.

Generally I stay away from the women's forum for many of the reasons stated on this thread. However on rare occasions I do find an item on the women's forum for which I may have a relevant observation. In such cases I just drop a private message to the individual which allows me to be helpful without disrupting forum's intended purpose. I have found that such an approach is graciously received and accomplishes the intended purpose of being helpful to another hiker.

Yahtzee
10-15-2008, 16:33
Just give the ladies that are asking their segregated/protected forum so they can discuss all those issues that give us puritanical Americans the heebie-jeebies. It's embarrassing that the sexes still can't get over their differences and discuss them together in a rational manner. I always peruse the women's only forum, not sure if I have posted or not, and have found nothing, not thing one, that would require segregation from men.

I understand it can be a matter of comfortability in discussing certain issues with women-only, but as a matter of right? Hardly. But give the segregated, protected forum to those offended, anyway. That way, I don't have to be embarrassed by the sorry puritanical state of gender-relations in this country.

This comes down to one thing: Some people just like to complain. And gender-based complaints are some of the hardest to refute, political correctness and all. And usually you can get a bunch of men eager to show how sensitive they are to aid in the charge. It's just ridiculous. Women get periods. Wear underwear and sometimes skirts. Some take birth control. Others like men. Some have problems with their hiking partners. Some like cheeseburgers. Others beer. And so on....

Asking a man not to post when he has something constructive to offer is counter-productive and silly. Just segregate and be done with it.

Sly
10-15-2008, 16:57
Asking a man not to post when he has something constructive to offer is counter-productive and silly. Just segregate and be done with it.

Some women aren't comfortable talking about things with men. For example, what do men know about yeast infections, how birth control affects their hike, or how well a diva cup works?

Any general questions a woman asks about hiking can go in the general forums.

Yahtzee
10-15-2008, 17:55
Some women aren't comfortable talking about things with men. For example, what do men know about yeast infections, how birth control affects their hike, or how well a diva cup works?

Any general questions a woman asks about hiking can go in the general forums.

Totally agree. My disconernation comes from the fact that somehow having men be able to view these conversations is somehow objectionable. Is there a man out there who doesn't know that women get yeast infections, take birth control or handle their cycles differently? I don't think so. It's the notion that segregating these conversations will somehow allow freer flow of information from woman to woman. How else will men become more sensitive to these issues if we blocked from learning about them. The diva cup sounds like it would rock if I were a female long-distance hiker. It seems a great practical solution to practical issue that arises for female hikers. I have learned tons by reading these forums. Maybe they should be read-only for men, but again, the idea that woman are so delicate that they can't discuss the issues that arise for them makes me embarrassed for the state of gender-relations in this country. In my opinion, until women feel free to discuss what is important to them freely and openly, as equal members of society, and not behind closed doors, we as a people have a long way to go in recognizing their value. The women-only forum seems to be going back to the days of the menstrual huts. But hey, if that is what they want, I say do it. It just seems a step backwards.

Texasgirl
10-15-2008, 18:23
Just an observation; purely anedoctal and one that leads me to no conclusion: It appears more men have participated in this thread than the very women whose forum is being discussed. Interesting.

Yahtzee
10-15-2008, 18:45
Just an observation; purely anedoctal and one that leads me to no conclusion: It appears more men have participated in this thread than the very women whose forum is being discussed. Interesting.

Not surprising that men would react more to being prohibited from a forum based on the stereotype that we are insensitive and/or ignorant. Some of us take offense to that.

Why not prohibit access to women-only forums to those who actually make insensitive or ignorant comments in those forums and leave them open for the rest of us who find "the other" interesting and who may have a constructive comment or suggestion to make every once in a while. I trust the mods at Whiteblaze to make a rational decision on the respectfulness of posts by me and my fellow man in women's-only forums.

Lone Wolf
10-15-2008, 20:54
For example, what do men know about yeast infections, how birth control affects their hike, or how well a diva cup works?


a good male gynecological engineer knows the answers

Frosty
10-15-2008, 21:57
tinker, i'll try to be easy on you:This is a basic difference between men and women. You go easy on Tinker and answer with kindness and consideration. A man might answer differently and launch into a sarcastic biting response.



tinker, i'll try to be easy on you:
do you have a period? do you use tampons or pads?
do you have breasts that give milk?
do you have to squat to pee?
do your hormones make your ankles swell and your back ache?

no? well, women want a place to talk about that without smartass input from a bunch of fellas that have no clue what they're talking about. i don't care if they're married or not. until you have a vagina, you really can't know what it can sometimes be like for a woman on the trail.
also, some women are embarrassed about men reading that sort of stuff about them.

so, while some female issues can really be enhanced by a male point of view, there is much that a woman doesn't really need your help on. in fact, the women's forum should probably be viewable only by women for it to have it's intended effect since men obviously can't help themselves from getting on there even when they're not supposed to.

on the other hand, i sincerely doubt if any of the women on this site would give a good gosh darn if you guys decided to have an only-men forum where you talk about ball sweat/chafing, crotch itch, and penis fungus.

and just so you are fully aware, LIFE is not fair.

Marta
10-16-2008, 07:29
Why not prohibit access to women-only forums to those who actually make insensitive or ignorant comments in those forums and leave them open for the rest of us who find "the other" interesting and who may have a constructive comment or suggestion to make every once in a while. I trust the mods at Whiteblaze to make a rational decision on the respectfulness of posts by me and my fellow man in women's-only forums.

This is the actual rule and practice.

desert spirit
11-15-2008, 15:42
What kanga said.

Also, if you needed any more reason, the following is a pretty good one ..


Originally Posted by MOWGLI http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/wb_style/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/showthread.php?p=707317#post707317)
You strike me as insecure.
Thanks, Sigmund.

You strike me as rude.

Blue Jay
11-15-2008, 16:13
i sincerely doubt if any of the women on this site would give a good gosh darn if you guys decided to have an only-men forum where you talk about ball sweat/chafing, crotch itch, and penis fungus.


Damn, I didn't know there was even such a thing as penis fungus. I have never gone on the women's forums and now I'm very very glad.:eek:

Blue Jay
11-15-2008, 16:18
;)

OK your secret is safe with me ;):D

This is the BIGGEST lie on White Blaze. NO secret is safe with you.

Sleeps_With_Skunks
11-19-2008, 11:38
Totally agree. My disconernation comes from the fact that somehow having men be able to view these conversations is somehow objectionable. Is there a man out there who doesn't know that women get yeast infections, take birth control or handle their cycles differently? I don't think so. It's the notion that segregating these conversations will somehow allow freer flow of information from woman to woman. How else will men become more sensitive to these issues if we blocked from learning about them. The diva cup sounds like it would rock if I were a female long-distance hiker. It seems a great practical solution to practical issue that arises for female hikers. I have learned tons by reading these forums. Maybe they should be read-only for men, but again, the idea that woman are so delicate that they can't discuss the issues that arise for them makes me embarrassed for the state of gender-relations in this country. In my opinion, until women feel free to discuss what is important to them freely and openly, as equal members of society, and not behind closed doors, we as a people have a long way to go in recognizing their value. The women-only forum seems to be going back to the days of the menstrual huts. But hey, if that is what they want, I say do it. It just seems a step backwards.

Women do get embarassed about things. Many of us were raised in the US and there is a taboo about talking about certain female topics. Most women don't want to talk about or discuss how to handle some issues if they know a guy is going to respond. It took me 3 different sites to find out what to do if I got my period on a long distance hike and if cotton only tampons were recycleable in a mulching privy......and I got snide remarks from some guys at one site and still won't ever post there again.

I appreciate the womens only forum for 2 main reasons.....

First, I can post something I wouldn't discuss with my husband (Bearpaw) or another guy as he probably wouldn't have an answer.

Second...I don't have to worry about some smartass making an offhand comment about something he knows nothing about and then continuing to insult me in thread. It doesn't matter that the thread is moderated. The comment was there, it was read and it still hits home.

I don't mind guys posting on the womens forum if they have something important to add...like fitting a boot. I do mind a guy adding his two sense to something he knows nothing about.

smokymtnsteve
11-19-2008, 15:07
This is the BIGGEST lie on White Blaze. NO secret is safe with you.

what kinda of underwear was it???:D

MaineSurveyor
11-19-2008, 17:03
Various threads in the Female Hiking forums such as Opinions on the Gregory Deva (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/showthread.php?t=43300) have been useful since I'm researching a backpack for my wife. As long as it's a public forum I'll glean as much information from it (and post if I have a question) as I would any other and ignore the rest.:)

--Mike.