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Youngblood
03-27-2004, 23:20
I'm trying something different here and am not sure how well it will be received. So, with that in mind I have tried to put together a series of pictures identifying Yonah Mountain in Georgia from several of the locations that I could spot it from. Yonah is one of the easiest landmarks to identify on the Georgia AT and can be seen from many of the scenic vistas along a 25 mile stretch of the AT, so it is pretty unique by Georgia standards.

Blood Mtn is 28.4 miles from Springer and Yonah is 14 miles away at a bearing of 119 degrees true (or about 116 degrees magnetic). Photo link:
http://www.whiteblaze.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2983

Levelland Mtn is 32.2 miles from Springer and Yonah is 13 miles away at a bearing of 121 degrees true (or about 118 degrees magnetic). Photo link:
http://www.whiteblaze.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2982&password=&sort=1&cat=554&page=1

Wolf Laurel Top is 34.1 miles from Springer and Yonah is 11 miles away at a bearing of 122 degrees true (or about 119 degrees magnetic). Photo link:
http://www.whiteblaze.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2981&password=&sort=1&size=medium&cat=554&page=1

Cowrock Mtn is 35.4 miles from Springer and Yonah is 10 miles away at a bearing of 125 degrees true (or about 122 degrees magnetic). Photo link:
http://www.whiteblaze.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2980&password=&sort=1&size=medium&cat=554&page=1

Rocky Mtn is 52 miles from Springer and Yonah is 11 miles away at a bearing of 175 degrees true (or about 172 degrees magnetic). Photo link:
http://www.whiteblaze.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2979&password=&sort=1&size=medium&cat=554&page=1

Tray Mtn is 56.2 miles from Springer and Yonah is 11 miles away at a bearing of 190 degrees true (or about 187 degrees magnetic). Photo link:
http://www.whiteblaze.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2978&password=&sort=1&size=medium&cat=554&page=1

I hope this helps some folks enjoy the scenery in Georgia just a little more.

Youngblood

Hikerhead
03-27-2004, 23:29
Thanks Youngblood. Now I'll know what I'm looking at when I'm down that way next week. Nicely done.

Bankrobber
03-27-2004, 23:38
Cool pictures. I remember watching the sun go down from Tray Mountain with Yonah right in front of me. I can't wait to get back down to the Georgia Mountains sometime.

Chappy
03-28-2004, 00:08
Nice photos. What was the time period of the shots?
I think Army Rangers did some training at Yonah...true today?

MedicineMan
03-28-2004, 00:47
I remember looking at Yonah while on Cowrock, funny how your pic brings back the memory, that was my birthday hike last February.....

Youngblood
03-28-2004, 09:33
Nice photos. What was the time period of the shots?
I think Army Rangers did some training at Yonah...true today?

Chappy, I don't know what the Rangers are up to these days but I have heard the same about them using Yonah. The closest I have been to Yonah Mountain is at the intersection of US129 and GA75 in Cleveland, Georgia at the Ingles parking lot. Yonah mountain is 4 miles away at a bearing of 49 degrees true, you are looking up at the sheer rock face and Yonah dominates the landscape from there.

You make a good point about the time period of the shots. I went back and looked up the date stamp from the original photos and will include them with the photo descriptions when I figure out how to edit the photos (I sent a pm to ATTroll). I will also list the time stamps here.

Blood Mtn- March 26, 2004 at 3:55pm EST
Levelland Mtn- October 19, 2003 at 1:00pm EDT
Wolf Laurel Top- March 13, 2004 at 2:29pm EST
Cowrock Mtn- March 6, 2004 at 1:36pm EST
Rocky Mtn- September 30, 2003 at 9:50am EDT
Tray Mtn- September 30, 2003 at 12:27pm EDT

Youngblood

Dances with Mice
03-28-2004, 11:35
Chappy, I don't know what the Rangers are up to these days but I have heard the same about them using Yonah.

The Rangers still use the cliffs on Yonah for advanced climbing technique training.

Great photos!

bobgessner57
03-28-2004, 23:45
Yonah is the Cherokee word for bear. It is well named.

halibut15
05-04-2004, 18:43
As Dances with Mice said, Yonah is used for climbing training by the Rangers. About 3/4 of the way up Yonah, there is actually a small campground used by the Rangers, complete with places to hang climbing gear, bathrooms, etc. The view from the top is just amazing, with Yonah being farther south than most of the surrounding mountains and no higher mountains nearby to obstruct the view.

Saluki Dave
05-05-2004, 08:05
That's fascinating. One of my favorite activities on the trail is using map and compass to locate landmarks from overlooks. It gives a real sense of scale; how far you've come, how far you have to go, and maybe most importantly, where you really fit in the grand scheme of things.

There's another pic posted here from somewhere in Virginia looking down a ridge, showing two or three days worth of walking.

Thanks for the post.

firefly
05-06-2004, 12:27
For many of us that grew up in Atlanta Yonah Mtn was our favorite place to go and play. You can sit up on the cliffs and watch hawks dance in the sky all day. The Army Rangers have used it for training for years. It has several places to rock climb and rappell from. In the early days it was a great place to meet other rock climbers and find out about new gear. People shared the space. Then rock climbing got more popular. Climbing clubs would show up early and set up their ropes on all the sites instead of leaving a couple open for other people use. The parking lot near the top became party central. It became impossible to camp out there and sleep because of the noise from blasting sound systems. The lower part of the mountain was sold for private development and the people who lived there got tired of all the noise..the trash and the traffic that was tearing up the road. So they put a gate up and cut off access to the top for everyone except residents and Army Rangers. The Rangers responded by putting their own gate up higher up to cut off access to the private residents. Nobody gets to drive up now-except the Rangers-and they have been out of town alot these past few years. So the only people who really get to enjoy this wonderful place are the ones who make the hike up..it is quite a hual and there is no water on top. There are reports from people in the climbing community that land has been purchased that would allow for easier access to the mountain but this has not been confirmed. (note:losing this place has made several of us to rethink our view on having rules and regulations in the outdoors. Preserving the wilderness areas that we have left are probably going to require them. That is a shame but I would rather have a place to play in than nowhere to go. And if that requires a permit..parking sticker..camping rules ect then I chose to accomodate those rules and work with the outdoor community to change what I think is wrong. I know some of the people in this forum promote "working around" the rules but I believe that action usually results in loss of privileges for us all.)

dgodwin7
05-19-2004, 10:34
It's great to see a thread about an old memory. I climbed there several years ago on an outdoor staff training trip. Yonah is a great place for bouldering and to set some top ropes. There are several ledges with fixed cables to help you climb up and anchor your ropes. The routes are pretty fun - we were beginners at the time and found some great climbs. The views were simply amazing - especially at night. The boulders beneath the cliffs were really great too - pretty big rocks for North Georgia. I'm not sure about access now - but we just parked at the base of the mountain and hiked up the road to the camping area. It's not too bad of a hike. There was a small spring about 1/4 mile from the campsite that we could filter from - it was flowing even in December.
Hope it stays open to the public - at least for those who are willing to hike to the top!!

TrailLover
10-16-2004, 03:11
Just a quick note...
Your description of the picture of Yonah from Cowrock is incorrect.
(http://www.whiteblaze.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/2823/size/big/sort/1/cat/554/page/1)
You state that Yonah can be seen directly in back of Whitley Gap.
In fact, it's not Whitley, it's Morris Gap, and the mountain you identify as Adams Bald is the mountain on the far left of the picture, not the middle - the middle moutain is actually Rocky Mountain, with Piney Moutain on the far right. Only the lower southwestern slopes of Wildcat can be seen in the extreme left foreground.

Youngblood
10-16-2004, 10:10
Just a quick note...
Your description of the picture of Yonah from Cowrock is incorrect.
(http://www.whiteblaze.net/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/2823/size/big/sort/1/cat/554/page/1)
You state that Yonah can be seen directly in back of Whitley Gap.
In fact, it's not Whitley, it's Morris Gap, and the mountain you identify as Adams Bald is the mountain on the far left of the picture, not the middle - the middle moutain is actually Rocky Mountain, with Piney Moutain on the far right. Only the lower southwestern slopes of Wildcat can be seen in the extreme left foreground.

TrailLover,

I see this is your first post. Welcome to WhiteBlaze!

I pulled out my CD with the topo maps. THIS TIME I drew a staight line between Cowrock and Yonah. I see your point, that Whitley Gap is somewhat obscured by Wildcat Mtn and Adams Bald, and that Morris Gap is the gap that is very close to being in line with Yonah. I remember deciding not to mention Rocky Mtn in the description because I didn't want to explain that it wasn't the same Rocky Mtn that folks think of on the AT just south of Tray Mtn. Thanks for the interest, the education and pointing out my errors.

If you would, would you post what you think the description ought to be as a comment under the photo? If you will be kind enough to do this, I will go back and edit the description to reflect your input. If it is possible and it makes sense, I think it would be nice to point out features that hikers might be more familiar with because they see their names in the trail guides and/or actually hike them.

I am impressed that you noticed this. Maybe we will see each other on the trail sometime. There is one spot on Wildcat Mountain that I have been waiting to get a picture of on a clear day- I would like for you to see it. If you look back southbound from a rock ledge, you can see (at least I think this is what I see :) ) from left to right: Cowrock Mtn, Levelland Mtn, Blood Mtn and Slaughter Mtn... it is particularly inspiring to me after I have just finished hiking that section of the trail.

Thanks,
Youngblood

TrailLover
10-16-2004, 16:22
Thanks for the kind words Youngblood.

You're in luck. If the pain in my side goes away by tonight, I'll be driving up to do the Raven Cliff Falls trail tomorrow, then follow that up with a short hike to Cowrock to verify where I think you took your picture (the north peak of Cowrock, or Cowrock proper, where the AT makes a 90 deg turn to the left), since it's only 1/2 mile from the road at Tesnatee Gap. Then, if I've got any energy left, I'll finish up with Wildcat from Hogpen Gap to see the sun set - if it's not too cloudy. So...I can take that picture for you...maybe. I don't know where your "south ledge spot" is, and Wildcat's big flat summit area spans half a mile! I'll just have to guess, and that could take more exploratory time than I'll have, since it'll be very near dark when I get there. But I'll try! If you see this post in time, you can reply and give me approx map coordinates or any other tips on how I might find this spot. Or heck, you can IM me (MSN Messenger) at scott_victor_davis@hotmail.com.

As for the rewording of your "Yonah view" I guess I'd reword as follows:

This is the view from the AT at Cowrock Mountain (35.4 miles north of Springer) looking through Morris Gap at the very distinguished Yonah Mountain (10 miles southeast). On the left side of the Gap just off the left edge of the picture is the summit of Adams Bald, and on the right side of the Gap in the middle foreground is Rocky Mountain, with Piney Mountain near the right edge. The lower southwestern slopes of Wildcat are what you see in the extreme foreground on the left. Most nobos take a few minutes to enjoy this view.

Youngblood
10-16-2004, 17:33
...I don't know where your "south ledge spot" is, and Wildcat's big flat summit area spans half a mile! I'll just have to guess, and that could take more exploratory time than I'll have, since it'll be very near dark when I get there. But I'll try! If you see this post in time, you can reply and give me approx map coordinates or any other tips on how I might find this spot. ...

I don't have the coordinates for the ledge. It is between Tesnatee Gap and the sidetrail to Whitley Gap Shelter, pretty much on top. There is a campsite with fire ring near the trail, the smallish rock outcrop is practically on the trail and is directly across the trail from where the campsite is. You have to carefully inch your way near the edge of the rock outcrop to see all four mountains.

TrailLover
10-18-2004, 23:05
Well, Sunday started off perfect, carried along nicely into the afternoon, and then quickly degraded before nightfall. My day also started later than expected. We commenced our family hike to Raven Cliffs Falls at 1:30 and didn't get back till 5:00. Then we farted around for a while and didn't get to Hogpen Gap until 6, and by then it was clouded over and drizzling. However, my daughter and I gave it a go up Wildcat anyways. We got to the split in 10 minutes and turned right, towards the northern summit. Pretty disappointing. There was nowhere that had a view. I saw a southern spot that had a small rock ledge but there were trees in the way. Then the trail started heading downwards again towards Tesnatee, so we turned back (as we were getting rained upon). And thus the day ended; no view from Wildcat, no hike to Cowrock. Maybe next time.

Youngblood
10-19-2004, 10:41
I'll get coordinates next time and remember to download it. Last time I got the coordinates but forgot to download them before I flushed and reloaded my gps.

TrailLover
01-11-2006, 17:18
Hey Youngblood, it's been a long time.
Haven't been back to Wildcat or Cowrock, but have done Blood and Brasstown/Wolfpen Ridge, and am planning to do Tray next weekend in this lovely Winter weather we're having.
A friend and I have set a goal for ourselves in 2006 - to summit the highest 10 peaks in GA.
Whew! Didn't know what I was getting into.
Actually, many are easily accessible (like Tray), but 3 & 4 seem especially daunting, especially Hightower Bald.
I searched the Internet for 6 hours and there was only 1 website that talked about it - sherpaguides. Unfortunately, the info there was not very encouraging in that it stated that there are very few maintained trails in the Southern Nantahala Wilderness, and none in the immediate vicinity of Hightower. Yikes!
http://sherpaguides.com/georgia/mountains/blue_ridge/eastern/hightower_area_southern_nantahala_wilderness.html
The "best" options were:
1) Approach from Loggy Branch in the North until you hit a boulderfield (and then scramble up?). The guide didn't even say what happens next.
2) Approach from the South and then when the trails turns towards Eller Gap either:
-A) Do a long steep bushwhack northwards to the summit cliffs and then work around them left or right to one of the ridge gaps, then the summit (with yet more nasty bushwacking if you go right).
-B) Keep following the trail through Eller Gap to Owensby Cove and then find a possibly "indistinct" trail up Owensby Cove to Lemon Gap, at which point you need to figure out how to scramble over thousands of feet of treacherous cliffs before nearing the summit via Toms Gap.
3) Approach from the East via the ridge connecting to Rich Knob, which can be accessed via the AT - this has two problems: getting to that section of the AT is a PIA, and the ridge trail is either poorly marked or completely unmarked (depending on other reports I found), and may not even be a trail at all.
So I was wondering, have you ever conquered this beast?
If so, what's your advice?
If not, do you have (or know anyone who has) any extra information that would be of use?
Sincerely,
Scott

Youngblood
01-11-2006, 17:59
TrailLover,

I can't help you with that, haven't done any peak bagging or bushwacking.

I did get a photo of the 4 mountains from Wildcat, http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=6621&c=665&userid=41 , but I didn't have my GPS with me to get the coordinates. I probably make more of it than it is... I think it is neat to look back and see the mountains that you just crossed or nearly crossed all lined up like that. Us simpletons are easily amused.:)

Youngbloode

Speer Carrier
01-11-2006, 20:49
All the views discussed are great. However, I think my favorite view of Yonah is from the parking lot of The West Family Restaurant after a few tours of the breakfast buffet.

Many of the GATC's third Saturday trail maintenance projects start at The West Family Restaurant, and seeing Yonah right next door, so to speak, always inspires us to do a good days work.

TrailLover
01-11-2006, 23:57
Well, it was worth a try.
I guess I'll create a new post with the same question and see if I get any bites.
Nice pic. I'm still mystified as to where you took it because I walked Wildcat Ridge from the Whitley Gap Intersection westward until the trail started to go down a lot and started to switchback (about halfway to Tesnatee). I cheked out every spot on the left side of the trail that seemed to have promise and came up empty.

Youngblood
01-12-2006, 11:59
Well, it was worth a try.
I guess I'll create a new post with the same question and see if I get any bites.
Nice pic. I'm still mystified as to where you took it because I walked Wildcat Ridge from the Whitley Gap Intersection westward until the trail started to go down a lot and started to switchback (about halfway to Tesnatee). I cheked out every spot on the left side of the trail that seemed to have promise and came up empty.
You went right by it. From the Whitley Gap Intersection, it is on the left of the trail and to the right of the trail I recall a little camp spot or fire ring. Like I said you have to carefully inch you way down 5 or 10 feet to get the view, just try to look around Cowrock Mountain.

Youngblood
01-12-2006, 12:06
All the views discussed are great. However, I think my favorite view of Yonah is from the parking lot of The West Family Restaurant after a few tours of the breakfast buffet.

Many of the GATC's third Saturday trail maintenance projects start at The West Family Restaurant, and seeing Yonah right next door, so to speak, always inspires us to do a good days work.
Thanks, where is The West Family Restaurant? Is it closer than Ingles Supermarket in Cleveland?
434

If you have a favorite photo from there and post it on WhiteBlaze I can edit the 1st post in this thread to link to it. I think that would be neat.

Youngblood

Youngblood
01-12-2006, 12:34
After looking at all this again, it dawned on me that the photo sequence I posted shows that Yonah Mountain is watching over you on your nobo journey along the Georgia section of the AT from the highest peak on the Georgia AT (Blood Mountain) all the way to the second highest peak on the Georgia AT (Tray Mountain). After that... you are on your on until Standing Indian's watch. Anybody know roughly where you first view Standing Indian on a nobo hike? After Standing Indian, I think Albert Mountain would be next and somewhere along the way before you hit the Smokies there is Wayah Bald and Cheoah Bald.

I wonder how many prominate peaks watch over hikers for significant miles on their journey north and what range their territory, or viewing area, covers? If it hasn't been done already, it would be a neat project for the WhiteBlaze community. Certainly it would add to hikers geographic and maybe even historical sense of the trail. Any thoughts?

Youngblood

TrailLover
01-12-2006, 15:22
You went right by it. From the Whitley Gap Intersection, it is on the left of the trail and to the right of the trail I recall a little camp spot or fire ring. Like I said you have to carefully inch you way down 5 or 10 feet to get the view, just try to look around Cowrock Mountain.

Okay, but I'm puzzled. How is it that going down gets a better view? What's in the way being "up". When you inch your way down are you scaling a rock precipice or something?

Dances with Mice
01-12-2006, 16:05
Okay, but I'm puzzled. How is it that going down gets a better view? What's in the way being "up". When you inch your way down are you scaling a rock precipice or something?He was probably trying to work around tree branches. Those damn things spoil a lot of views. If they'd just cut down a bunch of those trees we'd be able to see the wilderness a lot better.

TrailLover
01-12-2006, 17:36
He was probably trying to work around tree branches. Those damn things spoil a lot of views. If they'd just cut down a bunch of those trees we'd be able to see the wilderness a lot better.

Ha.
If that doesn't invite a flame or 2 I'd be suprised.

Youngblood
01-12-2006, 17:54
DWM was making a funny, you know how those jugglers are. But if you look at the photo again ( http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=6621&c=665&userid=41 ) you will see he understood the problem. I think you can only see it when the leafs are down.

Mother Nature
01-12-2006, 18:07
I enjoyed the Yonah photos very much. My cabin is near Yonah and I get a clear closeup shot of it across my neighbor's pasture. When we were hiking NOBO in 2004, Smokestack and I laughed everytime we took a look out at the scenery and saw, once again, Yonah Mountain. We didn't feel we were hiking in new territory until we finally "lost" our home view. :D :D :D

Mother Nature

Dances with Mice
01-12-2006, 19:21
Ha. If that doesn't invite a flame or 2 I'd be suprised.You must be new around here....

TrailLover
01-12-2006, 23:21
You must be new around here....

I don't frequent here, yes.
Didn't know whether you were a blithering idiot or a serious outdoorsperson with tongue-in-cheek.
Shoulda given you the benefit of the doubt.

Speer Carrier
01-12-2006, 23:32
Youngblood, The West Family Restaurant is on State Route 75 about half way between Cleveland and Helen. Their parking lot is just about right next to the gated road that leads up to the trail for Yonah.

It's a great restaurant that specializes in all you can eat buffets. Because of its location, the GATC usually meets there when trail maintenance is to be done anywhere between Hogpen Gap and Unicoi Gap.

As an example, on November's third Saturday maintenance about 60 of us met at 8:00 AM and had a big breakfast before heading for Poplar Stamp Gap and the section that we are relocating.

sliderule
01-13-2006, 00:27
I'm trying something different here and am not sure how well it will be received. So, with that in mind I have tried to put together a series of pictures identifying Yonah Mountain in Georgia from several of the locations that I could spot it from. Yonah is one of the easiest landmarks to identify on the Georgia AT and can be seen from many of the scenic vistas along a 25 mile stretch of the AT, so it is pretty unique by Georgia standards.

Blood Mtn is 28.4 miles from Springer and Yonah is 14 miles away at a bearing of 119 degrees true (or about 116 degrees magnetic). Photo link:
http://www.whiteblaze.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2983

Levelland Mtn is 32.2 miles from Springer and Yonah is 13 miles away at a bearing of 121 degrees true (or about 118 degrees magnetic). Photo link:
http://www.whiteblaze.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2982&password=&sort=1&cat=554&page=1

Wolf Laurel Top is 34.1 miles from Springer and Yonah is 11 miles away at a bearing of 122 degrees true (or about 119 degrees magnetic). Photo link:
http://www.whiteblaze.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2981&password=&sort=1&size=medium&cat=554&page=1

Cowrock Mtn is 35.4 miles from Springer and Yonah is 10 miles away at a bearing of 125 degrees true (or about 122 degrees magnetic). Photo link:
http://www.whiteblaze.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2980&password=&sort=1&size=medium&cat=554&page=1

Rocky Mtn is 52 miles from Springer and Yonah is 11 miles away at a bearing of 175 degrees true (or about 172 degrees magnetic). Photo link:
http://www.whiteblaze.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2979&password=&sort=1&size=medium&cat=554&page=1

Tray Mtn is 56.2 miles from Springer and Yonah is 11 miles away at a bearing of 190 degrees true (or about 187 degrees magnetic). Photo link:
http://www.whiteblaze.net/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=2978&password=&sort=1&size=medium&cat=554&page=1

I hope this helps some folks enjoy the scenery in Georgia just a little more.

Youngblood

I think that you applied the magnetic variation backwards when converting true bearings to magnetic bearings. Variation (aka declination) in that area is about 4 1/2 degrees West, not 3 degrees East.

Youngblood
01-13-2006, 02:17
I think that you applied the magnetic variation backwards when converting true bearings to magnetic bearings. Variation (aka declination) in that area is about 4 1/2 degrees West, not 3 degrees East.
Thanks for catching that. The way they have it set up these days I can't edit the original post, so I'm not sure what to do with your corrections.

Bulldawg
02-03-2008, 18:52
I was just thinking about hiking the new trail to the summit of Yonah and here I find this thread while googling the Yonah Mountain Trail. Anyone up for it?

Bulldawg
02-03-2008, 18:53
Man Youngblood's pictures are not viewable anymore!!!

Skidsteer
02-03-2008, 20:06
Man Youngblood's pictures are not viewable anymore!!!

Here's a few photo's, John.

http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=21989&c=683
http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=21988&c=683
http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=21987&c=683
http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=21986&c=683
http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/vbg/showimage.php?i=21985&c=683

Mother Nature
02-03-2008, 20:36
I'll climb Yonah with ya. I ain't the fastest but I'm not the slowest.

I can see Yonah dead center in my neighbor's pasture.

PM me if you want to go. I am free during the week.

whitefoot_hp
02-06-2008, 18:21
Thanks, where is The West Family Restaurant? Is it closer than Ingles Supermarket in Cleveland?
434

yes, its just up the road from ingles (on the way to helen). if you turn right at West's, it takes you to the yonah trailhead i believe.