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hey there. looking for a nut alternative. peanut butter seems to be a classic/favorite/must have on the trail for alot of people. well im allergic to all kinds of nuts. nuts=death. haha. so i was wondering if anyone knows of anything that packs the punch of nuts. i have seen soy butter but havent really been anxious to try it. looks pretty terrible.
also looking for some calorie boost from something lightweight. anyone add olive oil to their lipton? cheese? etc.? what does everyone use for a calorie boost?
thanks...
brack
can you eat soy? Soy nuts are pretty tasty and come flavored. I'm guessing soy butter is pretty good too. If you are looking for protein, try TVP (textured veggie protein) Health food stores carry it and often use it dried soup mixes. You can add it to anything you eat.
Tuna, hard cheeses, dried hummus, dried refried beans, jerky, all good sources and good eats too.
The problem with cheeses and tuna is that while it has protein, it doesn't have the calories per ounce that peanut butter has.
mountaineer
03-31-2004, 17:40
. i have seen soy butter but havent really been anxious to try it. looks pretty terrible.
brack
Brack - last year after a 5K race, they had little snack packs of soynut butter and crackers for the runners - I tried it and it really was pretty tasty, and I am not a big fan of peanut butter to begin with. In fact I recommended it to a friend who is also allergic to nuts. Don't know about the nutritional value et al.
Soy-butter is great!...so are the soy products from "fantastic foods"...in the health section of most supermarkets...such as black/red beans, instant refried beans, taco filling, hummus, sloppy joes, and on and on...be creative!!!!
Sorry, forgot to address the olive oil, you can't fine a better way to increase your calorie intake than adding olive oil to everything...and it is VERY healthy to boot!
mountaineer
04-01-2004, 11:23
olive oil usually comes in glass bottles (=heavy) - what do you carry it in on the AT?
olive oil usually comes in glass bottles (=heavy) - what do you carry it in on the AT?
You can find it in 8 oz plastic bottles or just purchase a plastic squeeze bottle from REI, etc.
"Corn Nuts" which is actually parched corn. They come in flavors from plain to cajin.
I put olive oil in almost everything I eat on the trail. I carry it in a old "Coke" bottle, & recently found a 8 Oz coke bottle I now use. 8 Oz lasts me 6 days easily. I use Extra Virgin olive oil because to me it tastes best.
Doctari.
bobgessner57
04-04-2004, 23:04
Sunflower seeds-hulled, 162 calories/ounce, 6 g of protein, great toasted, can add soy sauce for extra salt and flavor. They are good with rice dishes or to top dress some of those other white meals we eat a lot of. To toast just put in a dry heavy fry pan and stir until brown. Add splash of soy or hot sauce at end of process if flavor is desired. Salt to taste.
Sesame seeds also pack a punch but I do not have the stats handy. There is a good middle eastern confection of honey and sesame called halvah ( sp?)
Pumpkins seeds, salted, 154 cal/oz, 7 g protien. Available at Hispanic and health food stores and in many groceries. Toast your own with cheap post halloween pumpkins. Just spread on a cookie sheet and dry in a slow oven.
see if you can find dry Humus powder that you can add water to it.
Gomasio is coarse ground sesame seeds, and an addition of salt.
Not too salty, it has a "nutty" flavor.
Gomasio is good on most "one-pot" rice dishes. It is also lightweight.
This was already mentioned, but eat sunflower seeds or pumpkin seeds. Shelled pumpkin seeds are very good. I buy 'em at Trader Joes. They have shelled organic and unshelled ones. My son prefers the unshelled ones.
YerbaJon
03-21-2005, 15:36
Ever wonder why it says on the side of all soy that it is not intended for babies? This is because soy is not a usable form of protein. Soy contains large quantities of phytates. Phytates prevent omega 3 fatty acids from combining with protein, thus it stunts your growth because your body can not build protein. Nutritionist know this and thus tell parents to avoid feading soy to children. Still, there are usable forms of soy (soy without phytates: tempeh, soy sauce, and miso), but only one of these (soy sauce) is a viable trail food/condiment.
Second generation Chinese americans and second generation Mexican americans were bigger and taller than their parents: studies identified that it was the lack of phytates in the diet that allowed the second generation children to become larger; chinese americans ate less tofu and Mexican americans at less beans prepared without rinsing; soaking and rinsing beans, a common north american bean preperation, removes the phytates from the beans.
I do not want to make a value judgement about size (bigger is never necessarily better), yet you will want to repair muscle damage on the trail and protein is arguably an important goal. Avoid the soy!
Olive oil goes with everything, even grits.
smokymtnsteve
03-21-2005, 16:45
olive oil usually comes in glass bottles (=heavy) - what do you carry it in on the AT?
I carry it in nalgene bottles, also I put the bottle into a zip lock as the bottles gets greasy and having it in the plastic bag helps to isolate from other pack contents,
olive is one of the most calorie dennse foods of all, more calories per oz than a rib-eye steak
chocolate is another high calorie food.
smokymtnsteve
03-21-2005, 16:46
Olive oil goes with everything, even grits.
which upgrades grits to polenta :D
every try grits, olive oil, tuna fish with red pepper?
Not yet, but that sounds good. Could fix that at breakfast for lunch. Oatmeal for breakfast that day. Thanks.
Miso isn't a valid trail food? I eat dehydrated miso packet soup all the time, including on the trail.
Here's a link to an Arizona store that you can order toasted corn from, in addition to soy nuts. Toasted corn is great in soups and stews and cassoroles, it reconstitutes quickly, provides needed fiber, and it's really good right out of the bag, although you need good teeth to eat it that way.http://www.lehivalleycountrystore.com/merchant/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=TC
I eat soy. I drink soy. Alot. Someone please confirm or refute this soy=poison thesis. I'd druther pickle myself some other way.
grrickar
03-22-2005, 18:51
Roasted soybeans (try BBQ ones) and wasabi peas are awesome. Sunflower seeds are great too. Have you thought about protein bars or a drink supplement? The guy I hiked with last year used some protein called Syntrax that tasted like fruit punch and dissolved better than any protein I had ever seen. He also introduced me to Zone Perfect protein bars, which have a rice crispy type consistency and decent flavor for a protein bar. Payday candy bars have the highest protein that I know of.
YerbaJon
03-22-2005, 19:19
Soy is a hot topic. I have come down difinitavely against soy. But, there is evidence on both sides of the argument. You can read both sides of the argument here: http://creativehealth.netfirms.com/soy_health.shtml
The general attacks on soy are as follows:
Soy not only lacks complete protein, zinc and iron, it contains compounds that block the absorption of protein, zinc and iron from other sources. Soy foods increase the body's requirements for vitamin D and B12-both essential for normal growth and development.
Antithyroid substances found plentifully in soy foods inhibit thyroid function, leading to fatigue and mental problems. Phytoestrogens in soy can inhibit normal development and can cause reproductive and fertility problems later in life. Recent research implicates these phytoestrogens in the development of Alzheimers' and dementia-they are "brain aging" substances. Modern soy products contain carcinogens and toxins formed during processing and all modern soy foods contain MSG, which causes neurological problems, including violent behavior.
The best evidence is this: our own government does not recommend the use of soy as a babies formula because it is not good for growth. But you will be growing on the trail if you feed your body well. You will need to repair a lot of muscles (protein). Best to avoid it when you are stressing your body.
Comments?
YerbaJon
03-22-2005, 19:49
Miso isn't a valid trail food? I eat dehydrated miso packet soup all the time, including on the trail.
Great point. Dried miso is certainly a viable form of soy to bring. I had not thought of dehydrated miso. Thank you for the suggestion!
Pencil Pusher
03-26-2005, 18:13
Soy is a hot topic. I have come down difinitavely against soy. But, there is evidence on both sides of the argument.
...
Comments?
Yeah, folks should google or yahoo soy to find out for themselves. Some say soy is good, some say it's bad...
cmr_hiker
06-04-2005, 08:19
hi there,
soy is a nut so check and see if it works for you. also with tvp a lot of times it has a soy base so make sure you read what it is.
QUINOA! its a grain, small, comparable in size to rice. its actually the most nutritious one out there.
YERBA MATE its a salad, no wait! its a tea! lots of good stuff
BRAGGS SOY SAUCE, its soy based, but its got uber amino acids.
TVP if you can hack it!
Bolivershagnasty
06-04-2005, 10:29
eeeww smokeysteve, that sounds nasty. Sounds like a good way to bear proof your camp than eat a meal....give ya the "stinkin fire trotten runs"...I aint sleeping in any shelter your in...LOL
Soy butter is actually good-as are the Genisoy soy nuts-even better are the ones dipped in chocolate! Woo-hoo!
I use soy milk powder in many of my recipes to boost protien/calories.
I also use Mori-Nu tofu in shelf stable boxes.
TooUnfazed
07-14-2005, 15:36
I eat soy. I drink soy. Alot. Someone please confirm or refute this soy=poison thesis. I'd druther pickle myself some other way.
:jump Soy myths are a common tool used by demented carnivores, imo. :jump
:banana To wit, seeds, grains, legumes, nuts, and even wheat berries have phytates, often made worse by PROCESSING. Sprouting beans and fermentation methods avoid this. I'd rather eat my sprouted soy beans and fermented miso raw than touch a drop of either isolated soy proteins or hydrolyzed proteins of any kind. Nor would I would consider eating animal flesh until it is processed in a way that makes it "less harmful". It just means that we need to fully understand all our foods before preparing and eating them, rather than relying on myths.
:banana
http://www.thehealthyplanet.com/june05_soy.htm
There has been a tragic misunderstanding about soy. Soy products which are not fermented have been regarded in the same light as fermented soy products. But these are vastly different. Fermented soy products have been thought of as the same as industrial, chemically processed textured soy protein products. However, this is not true. Fermented soy has been used for thousands of years in Asia. Fermented soy products reduce or eliminate the phytic acid and phytates in soy.
http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html
Enzymes, called phytases, destroy phytates during certain food processes such as: the yeast-raising of dough, the sprouting of seeds, grains, legumes, the roasting of nuts, presoaking beans, cooking, fermentation as in tempeh, miso, and natto, combining acidic foods with zinc-rich foods, etc.
Not everyone believes that phytates are a bad thing. Although phytates do bind with minerals (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G664), they may actually be preventing the formation of free radicals (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G596), thereby keeping the minerals at safe levels in the body. Phytates also have a role to play in cell growth and can move excess minerals out of the body. Stephen Holt, MD, a gastroenterologist (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G1532) and author of The Soy Revolution: The Food of the Next Millennium (M. Evans and Company, 1998), says phytates shield us from dangerously high levels of minerals such as iron. Some animal studies have suggested that phytates stop the growth of cancerous (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G651) tumors. In Earl Mindell's Soy Miracle, he writes that phytates can bind with minerals that may feed tumors.
Phytates are generally found in foods high in fiber. Since fiber-rich foods protect against colon (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G839) and breast cancers, it is now thought that they are the protective agent in the fiber. It appears that, by binding minerals in the intestines, phytates inhibit the cancer (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G112) process, especially when it comes to iron (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G623). Iron generates free radicals, and phytates may be keeping the mineral (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G664) balance at a safe level within the body. Phytates act as an antioxidant (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G523). Scientists are beginning to express concern over excess iron in the body for this reason. Excessive iron is also known to increase the risk of heart disease. Even a small amount of phytates in food can reduce iron absorption by half, but the effect is less marked if a meal is supplemented with ascorbic acid (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G785), which can also help the absorption of zinc (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G793) and calcium (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G539).
Phytates are also known to help prevent cancer (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G112) by enhancing the immune system (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G860). Phytates may increase the activity of natural killer cells (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G1429) which attack and destroy cancer cells and tumors. By working directly to control cell growth, phytates may be an ideal protective agent against a wide range of cancers, carrying excess minerals (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G664) out of the body, thereby protecting it from a potential overload. Fiber, along with its associated phytates, also provides benefits by regulating the absorption of glucose (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G854) from starch.
:banana
soulrebel
07-17-2005, 18:44
http://www.gardenoflifeusa.com/detail_coconut_oil.shtml
MCT's a good thing for endurance
ConstableBrew
07-27-2005, 10:11
:jump Soy myths are a common tool used by demented carnivores, imo. :jump
:banana To wit, seeds, grains, legumes, nuts, and even wheat berries have phytates, often made worse by PROCESSING. Sprouting beans and fermentation methods avoid this. I'd rather eat my sprouted soy beans and fermented miso raw than touch a drop of either isolated soy proteins or hydrolyzed proteins of any kind. Nor would I would consider eating animal flesh until it is processed in a way that makes it "less harmful". It just means that we need to fully understand all our foods before preparing and eating them, rather than relying on myths.
http://www.thehealthyplanet.com/june05_soy.htm
There has been a tragic misunderstanding about soy. Soy products which are not fermented have been regarded in the same light as fermented soy products. But these are vastly different. Fermented soy products have been thought of as the same as industrial, chemically processed textured soy protein products. However, this is not true. Fermented soy has been used for thousands of years in Asia. Fermented soy products reduce or eliminate the phytic acid and phytates in soy.
http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html
Enzymes, called phytases, destroy phytates during certain food processes such as: the yeast-raising of dough, the sprouting of seeds, grains, legumes, the roasting of nuts, presoaking beans, cooking, fermentation as in tempeh, miso, and natto, combining acidic foods with zinc-rich foods, etc.
Not everyone believes that phytates are a bad thing. Although phytates do bind with minerals (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G664), they may actually be preventing the formation of free radicals (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G596), thereby keeping the minerals at safe levels in the body. Phytates also have a role to play in cell growth and can move excess minerals out of the body. Stephen Holt, MD, a gastroenterologist (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G1532) and author of The Soy Revolution: The Food of the Next Millennium (M. Evans and Company, 1998), says phytates shield us from dangerously high levels of minerals such as iron. Some animal studies have suggested that phytates stop the growth of cancerous (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G651) tumors. In Earl Mindell's Soy Miracle, he writes that phytates can bind with minerals that may feed tumors.
Phytates are generally found in foods high in fiber. Since fiber-rich foods protect against colon (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G839) and breast cancers, it is now thought that they are the protective agent in the fiber. It appears that, by binding minerals in the intestines, phytates inhibit the cancer (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G112) process, especially when it comes to iron (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G623). Iron generates free radicals, and phytates may be keeping the mineral (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G664) balance at a safe level within the body. Phytates act as an antioxidant (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G523). Scientists are beginning to express concern over excess iron in the body for this reason. Excessive iron is also known to increase the risk of heart disease. Even a small amount of phytates in food can reduce iron absorption by half, but the effect is less marked if a meal is supplemented with ascorbic acid (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G785), which can also help the absorption of zinc (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G793) and calcium (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G539).
Phytates are also known to help prevent cancer (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G112) by enhancing the immune system (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G860). Phytates may increase the activity of natural killer cells (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G1429) which attack and destroy cancer cells and tumors. By working directly to control cell growth, phytates may be an ideal protective agent against a wide range of cancers, carrying excess minerals (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G664) out of the body, thereby protecting it from a potential overload. Fiber, along with its associated phytates, also provides benefits by regulating the absorption of glucose (http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C212360.html#G854) from starch.
THANK YOU! It was very difficult for me to read all the horribly mis-constrewed posts here about soy. My wife is a vegan and I am a normal omnivore, so I have spent alot of time researching her statements in an effor to refute/support her diet and ensure that she is eating healthily. So I am quite educated about the pros and cons of soy.
First, I'd Like to point out that soy is not a nut, but is a bean. Also, soy is a perfectly viable and healthy food stuff. However, moderation is key - not too much, not too little. Just as it would be unhealthy to eat all red meat all the time, it would be unhealthy to eat tons of soy and soy-derrived foods.
Also, I don't know if this applies to the thread originator, but my friend is alergic to peanuts as well as sesamie seeds. I would like to caution you, one person suggested hummus - which is a great idea but it is made from chickpeas (a bean) and tahini (mashed sesamie seeds).
Stale Cracker
07-29-2005, 09:18
Soy is a hot topic. I have come down difinitavely against soy. But, there is evidence on both sides of the argument. You can read both sides of the argument here: http://creativehealth.netfirms.com/soy_health.shtml
The general attacks on soy are as follows:
Soy not only lacks complete protein, zinc and iron, it contains compounds that block the absorption of protein, zinc and iron from other sources. Soy foods increase the body's requirements for vitamin D and B12-both essential for normal growth and development.
Antithyroid substances found plentifully in soy foods inhibit thyroid function, leading to fatigue and mental problems. Phytoestrogens in soy can inhibit normal development and can cause reproductive and fertility problems later in life. Recent research implicates these phytoestrogens in the development of Alzheimers' and dementia-they are "brain aging" substances. Modern soy products contain carcinogens and toxins formed during processing and all modern soy foods contain MSG, which causes neurological problems, including violent behavior.
The best evidence is this: our own government does not recommend the use of soy as a babies formula because it is not good for growth. But you will be growing on the trail if you feed your body well. You will need to repair a lot of muscles (protein). Best to avoid it when you are stressing your body.
Comments?You assertion that "all modern soy foods contain MSG" gives me plenty of reason to question the credbility of the balance of you statement.
i think i will try soy nut butter on my next hike:cool: neo
soulrebel
07-29-2005, 12:41
doh meant to deleete
i bought some honey soy nut butter tonight.kinda pricey 4.79 a jar,it taste great
:cool: neo
minnesotasmith
07-30-2005, 11:09
Soybeans have several chemicals that make me question the wisdom of eating soy and its products when they can be avoided. First, soy that has not been severely processed (miso, tofu) has some antinutrient compounds that inhibit utilization during digestion of some vitamins and minerals; ordinary cooking or drying does not deactivate these compounds in soy as it does related ones in beans and green peas.
Even then, there appear to be analogs to estrogens (certain hormones mainly found in women) in them that will survive such processing. These E.A.s may protect against circulatory system disorders in women to some extent, but there is increasing evidence that these are undesirable for males of any age to consume.
Even soybean oil is likely to have drawbacks. Soy oil is normally partially hydrogenated (made more saturated) to slow down the rate it goes rancid; look on the back of any inexpensive cookie package or baking mixes to check this. However, this produces a chemical not found in nature for which there is no reason to consume it, it being significantly less healthy than the original.
For all these reasons, I try to avoid soy nuts, textured vegetable protein, soy milk, and above all soy oil (whether as the pure oil or as an ingredient in purchased mixed foods), just occasionally having a cup of miso soup or using soy sauce in cooking, which add only a tiny bit of soy to my diet.
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As a male, IMO soy in any kind of quantity is not for me. Women may find it worthwhile; if so, more power to them.
Soy butter is not for everyone. On the other hand, soy nuts are good and high in protein. (Make sure they are salted). Sesame seed paste (tahini) can be o.k., but it is very thick and you would want to mix it. (Mixed with garbonzo, etc. makes hummos). In addition, garbonzo (chick peas) are also good, but they come canned (heavy).
hey there. looking for a nut alternative. peanut butter seems to be a classic/favorite/must have on the trail for alot of people. well im allergic to all kinds of nuts. nuts=death. haha. so i was wondering if anyone knows of anything that packs the punch of nuts. i have seen soy butter but havent really been anxious to try it. looks pretty terrible.
also looking for some calorie boost from something lightweight. anyone add olive oil to their lipton? cheese? etc.? what does everyone use for a calorie boost?
thanks...
brack
soulrebel
08-04-2005, 07:48
Just a quick reply from someone that has gone from eating 1lb of red meat daily to vegan (no animal products whatsoever) and back again.
Soy is a complete protein yes, you can survive on it. However, soy doesn't have the "preferred" amino profile for your body all in one nut. Mainly it's a bit light in the BCAA's--isoleucine, valine, leucine. These branch chain aminos are readily burned when you are exercising--used up in relatively higher volumes than the other aminos...
Additionally, soy protein is not absorbed as readily when compared to egg's (one of the highest around 83 per?) meat/milk (60 )., soy (40) So overall when you see 10gms of egg protein you're absorbing about 80 percent, while soy would give you about 40 percent absorption.
Here's an overview link that explains why rice and beans go together-etc
http://www.2-fit.com/miscellaneous/proteindif.html
So if you can't hunt, mad cow is everywhere, or mcdonalds is out of business-- Remember food comibining is key. If you're vegetarian, obviously milk, butter, cheese, and eggs provide "full profile" complete proteins.
However vegans, beware for longevity you will need to plan much more than the average person--so that you can get the "complete" protein.
GL, just my experience