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puddingboy
02-09-2009, 22:43
I know this is not on the AT but I just had to share it. Yesterday on a hike near my home I saw about 12 deer on the edge of forest and prairie. I continued hiking and 4 deer ran about 20 yards in front of me. And then a lone deer following its friends ran about 5 yards in front of me. My dog started barking and ran it onto a busy street were it was hit by a car. I ran up to check on it but it was already gone. Then on my way home I saw another group of deer and one was limping badly. I feel kinda bad but they say deer are overpopulated in Iowa.
Hikerhead
02-09-2009, 22:52
I know this is not on the AT but I just had to share it. Yesterday on a hike near my home I saw about 12 deer on the edge of forest and prairie. I continued hiking and 4 deer ran about 20 yards in front of me. And then a lone deer following its friends ran about 5 yards in front of me. My dog started barking and ran it onto a busy street were it was hit by a car. I ran up to check on it but it was already gone. Then on my way home I saw another group of deer and one was limping badly. I feel kinda bad but they say deer are overpopulated in Iowa.
I feel sorry for the person who hit it....2 or 3K bucks easy to fix it.
le loupe
02-09-2009, 22:52
the proverbial dog unleashed
Have you herd of a leash?
I feel sorry for the person who hit it....2 or 3K bucks easy to fix it.
That's a lot of doe! :rolleyes:
I know, I shouldn't...........:o
Hikerhead
02-09-2009, 22:58
That's a lot of doe! :rolleyes:
I know, I shouldn't...........:o
Very good. :) :)
Wise Old Owl
02-09-2009, 23:08
Next time say "Dinner!"
can't fix it ?- 50 50, call a freind, ask the audience.....
Jim Adams
02-09-2009, 23:17
He didn't say the dog was not on leash. Either way the problem is too many deer. There are more deer currently in North America than there were when America was discovered and settled. The herd needs to be thinned out...way to much damage in this country caused by them.
geek
le loupe
02-09-2009, 23:31
He didn't say the dog was not on leash. Either way the problem is too many deer. There are more deer currently in North America than there were when America was discovered and settled. The herd needs to be thinned out...way to much damage in this country caused by them.
geek
yet society at large villifies the hunter!
skinewmexico
02-10-2009, 00:18
It's OK, bears, mountain lions, and wolves will make a huge comeback with all that food. When they eat it all, we'll have a problem. Too bad most people don't believe in conservation.
He didn't say the dog was not on leash. ...
The herd needs to be thinned out...way to much damage in this country caused by them.
geek
No, he said,
My dog started barking and ran it...
Sort of reads, like it was unleashed.
No offense, you sound like an insurance lobbiest with that last statement. Damn animal, that was most likely here before man was, "damaging our country". Good thing "man", doesn't do anything to damage our country.
More people need to get into the shooting/hunting sports. Take a kid shooting/hunting. The population will be thinned. And you'll have better table fare than Mickey D's.
Montana Mac
02-10-2009, 03:51
My dog started barking and ran it onto a busy street were it was hit by a car.
This scenario brings up a couple of concerns.
In some states it is illegal for dogs to run deer. The dog warden and/or police officer is allowed by law to shoot a dog running deer.
The other concern is the dog causing the motor vehicle accident by running the deer into the roadway. You said you ran up to check but it was already gone. The car or the deer or both? If the driver of the vehicle obtained your name do not be surprised if you are contacted when he gets the estimate to fix the car, either by the police or the insurance company. Be thankful nobody in the car was injured. I know one person who was sued for damages to a vehicle when their dog was struck by the car. I also know a person who was issued a ticket when their dog caused an accident.
No I am not an anti dog person. I have owned a number of dogs over the years and the majority of the time they were not on the leash.
Pedaling Fool
02-10-2009, 08:13
...And then a lone deer following its friends ran about 5 yards in front of me. My dog started barking and ran it onto a busy street were it was hit by a car. I ran up to check on it but it was already gone. Then on my way home I saw another group of deer and one was limping badly. I feel kinda bad but they say deer are overpopulated in Iowa.
Two things:
1. Deer don't have "friends", they hang together for protection, sort of like a school of fish.
2. You are not the "Pack Leader", but you need to be when you own a dog. A dog is not your friend, he's should be submissive to you. Watch this guy on National Geo Channel http://www.cesarmillaninc.com/dogwhisperer/
Too many dog owners want to treat their dogs as "part of the family" or as a friend. That's why I have so many problems with dogs when I'm cycling/running. It's people like you that cause me to kick so many dogs.
generoll
02-10-2009, 08:21
geez guys, lighten up. coyote also chase deer. who ya gonna blame for that one? kids will chase anything. you want them all on leashes too? life happens. get over it.
Pedaling Fool
02-10-2009, 08:42
Yeah, I'm sorry too, life deals some tough lessons. I was serious about being the pack leader. Dog owners of America need to take a lesson from http://www.cesarmillaninc.com/dogwhisperer/
Hikerhead
02-10-2009, 08:58
I'm sorry to hear you lost your dog kid. And I apologize for the rude behavior of some here on WB.
Where did it say his dog got hit? The way I read it, it was the deer that got hit.
If I misread it then I apologize.
My apologies. Reading is Fundamental. :o
Pedaling Fool
02-10-2009, 09:05
Where did it say his dog got hit? The way I read it, it was the deer that got hit.
If I misread it then I apologize.
You are correct.
Kid consider yourself lucky that your dog is still alive, now become the pack leader.
It's OK, bears, mountain lions, and wolves will make a huge comeback with all that food. When they eat it all, we'll have a problem. Too bad most people don't believe in conservation.
How about some sources/links to back up your theories?
Coyotes don't generally 'chase' deer, their primary food source is scavenged food, rodents, and most recently our own pets and livestock (depending where you live). They may bring down an almost dead deer that can't get up, but they are not pack hunters like wolves. :)
Pedaling Fool
02-10-2009, 10:48
Coyotes don't generally 'chase' deer, their primary food source is scavenged food, rodents, and most recently our own pets and livestock (depending where you live). They may bring down an almost dead deer that can't get up, but they are not pack hunters like wolves. :)
That's interesting, I did not know that. Seems like this one ate more than scavanged food and rodents, but I've never read anything on coyotes, so I don't know.
This is a road-kill I saw on one of my bike trips, he was pretty big and chunky. It was a fresh kill, so no bloating to distort his size.
mister krabs
02-10-2009, 11:55
Coyotes don't generally 'chase' deer, their primary food source is scavenged food, rodents, and most recently our own pets and livestock (depending where you live). They may bring down an almost dead deer that can't get up, but they are not pack hunters like wolves. :)
:cool: The internet disagrees with you. Everything I read on the internet is true. I don't read citations and take it as gospel.
Coyotes will commonly work in teams when hunting large ungulates such as deer. Coyotes may take turns in baiting and pursuing the deer to exhaustion, or they may drive it towards a hidden member of the pack.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyote#cite_note-GJ-4) When attacking large prey, coyotes attack from the rear and the flanks of their prey. Occasionally they also grab the neck and head, pulling the animal down to the ground. Coyotes are persistent hunters, with successful attacks sometimes lasting from 14 minutes to about 21 hours; even unsuccessful ones can vary from 2 minutes to more than 8 hours before the coyotes give up. Depth of snow can affect the likelihood of a successful kill.[24] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyote#cite_note-YS-23) Packs of coyotes can bring down prey as large as adult elk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk), which usually weigh over 250 kg (550 lbs).[25] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyote#cite_note-24)
ChinMusic
02-10-2009, 12:09
During deer season this last fall, I spooked a group of deer (no, I wasn't on a leash) while on a hike (I was pure orange from belt up). One was a large buck. About 3-5 min later I hear a gunshot ahead of me. Scared the hell out of me but it really wasn't THAT close. The trail made a turn so I never did see the hunter or the dead deer. I'm sure my activity led to that buck getting shot.
sherrill
02-10-2009, 13:09
They graze in my yard, and are not afraid of me. I can come to within 10 feet of them before they get spooked. Even then, they run about 30 yards and stare at me.
My neighbor used to be anti hunting on his land but the deer have become so numerous that he allows it now. He owns 700 acres behind our 5.
puddingboy
02-10-2009, 17:20
Alright I probably should have added that my dog was on a leash. The deer was sort of at a trot and then my dog started barking and the deer justed ran. Its hunting season so that could have something to do with it. And my dog is doing fine. I saw the car owner pulled over to check any damages but as far as I can see there was none. Also the deer was nowhere to be found.
Pedaling Fool
02-10-2009, 17:33
Alright I probably should have added that my dog was on a leash. The deer was sort of at a trot and then my dog started barking and the deer justed ran. Its hunting season so that could have something to do with it. And my dog is doing fine. I saw the car owner pulled over to check any damages but as far as I can see there was none. Also the deer was nowhere to be found.
Pack leaders don't need a leash. You need to watch the Dog Whisperer on the National Geo Channel http://www.cesarmillaninc.com/dogwhisperer/
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The deer bringing up the back is usually the weakest. Survival of the fittest when it gets eaten.
Sometimes I wish human life was modeled after this.
Pedaling Fool
02-10-2009, 17:38
The deer bringing up the back is usually the weakest. Survival of the fittest when it gets eaten.
Sometimes I wish human life was modeled after this.
We use the same survival technique as the deer, that's why you don't have to outrun a bear:D
ChinMusic
02-10-2009, 17:39
The deer bringing up the back is usually the weakest. Survival of the fittest when it gets eaten.
Sometimes I wish human life was modeled after this.
Thank God THAT isn't the case with hikers. I am all too often the sweeper.
Only people who eat no meat have the right, imo, to worry about deer. A cow, a pig, a lamb, a calf...all animals that share our planet. Just because some spend their miserable existence in a pen and others get to run around in the wild for a few years, no difference. I am always amused by people who get all worried about a bear getting shot, but love a big greasy cheesburger (which I do, by the way). Why is a bear, or a deer, or a moose more deserving of life untroubled by humans than is a gentle cow or pig? Food for thought.
wrongway_08
02-11-2009, 00:02
The way I see it, there are about 30 million more people here in America then when it was discovered and thats about 30 million and one too many.
Maybe if we thin out the herd of people, the animals will go back to controlling their own numbers like before people came along and screwed everything up.
He didn't say the dog was not on leash. Either way the problem is too many deer. There are more deer currently in North America than there were when America was discovered and settled. The herd needs to be thinned out...way to much damage in this country caused by them.
geek
Wrongway this is very bad of me to say but thats what wars are for.
saimyoji
02-11-2009, 00:17
Wrongway this is very bad of me to say but thats what wars are for.
You bet. Don't forget disease, natural disasters, starvation, poverty and ignorance. ;)
warraghiyagey
02-11-2009, 00:56
Wrongway this is very bad of me to say but thats what wars are for.
Dude, I know exactly what you mean. It might not seem nice but that IS how it works - for all of us - good call.
Mal the Elder
02-11-2009, 01:06
The way I see it, there are about 30 million more people here in America then when it was discovered and thats about 30 million and one too many.
Maybe if we thin out the herd of people, the animals will go back to controlling their own numbers like before people came along and screwed everything up.
Wrongway this is very bad of me to say but thats what wars are for.
You bet. Don't forget disease, natural disasters, starvation, poverty and ignorance. ;)
Dude, I know exactly what you mean. It might not seem nice but that IS how it works - for all of us - good call.
Cool! Fellow disciples of the blessed St. Malthus. :)
warraghiyagey
02-11-2009, 01:14
You bet. Don't forget disease, natural disasters, starvation, poverty and ignorance. ;)
. . . and that's just in South Carolina. . .
boarstone
02-11-2009, 07:37
Two things:
Too many dog owners want to treat their dogs as "part of the family" or as a friend. That's why I have so many problems with dogs when I'm cycling/running. It's people like you that cause me to kick so many dogs.
I knew this was why I carry "dog deterrent"....
I know this is not on the AT but I just had to share it. Yesterday on a hike near my home I saw about 12 deer on the edge of forest and prairie. I continued hiking and 4 deer ran about 20 yards in front of me. And then a lone deer following its friends ran about 5 yards in front of me. My dog started barking and ran it onto a busy street were it was hit by a car. I ran up to check on it but it was already gone. Then on my way home I saw another group of deer and one was limping badly. I feel kinda bad but they say deer are overpopulated in Iowa.
Seems as though the deer were grazing next to a highway. Blame it on big evil GM, don't worry about it.
Pedaling Fool
02-11-2009, 09:46
Wrongway this is very bad of me to say but thats what wars are for.
Oh yeah, when did you serve?
squirrel bait
02-11-2009, 10:18
Puddingguy, watch yourself along East Post road where it crosses Indian Creek. That spot is famous for deer/car accidents and deer in Iowa can be huge. Hope you and your family weathered the terrible flood last summer okay. Welcome to the WB. Good luck Morel mushroom hunting this season. If you need a couple of locations for morels or asparagus let me know. Since I don't live there anymore I'm willing to tell a couple of my spots.
Pedaling Fool
02-11-2009, 10:20
Oh yeah, when did you serve?
I shouldn't have posted this, I don't want to get into this discussion, suffice it to say, you don't know what the hell you're saying. No more on this from me.
kid, you're fine. you didn't do anything wrong. i know you feel bad, but things like this happen. it's life. you were being responsible, your dog was being a dog, the deer was being a deer. i stepped on a spider on accident this morning. i hope nobody wants to take me to jail. it made a spot on the floor.
Wrongway this is very bad of me to say but thats what wars are for.
You do know that the world is primed for another big one don't you? They are just trying to determine where to fight it? :mad:
In nature there are checks and balances. That applies to all predator and prey animals, including us homosapiens. :confused:
But until that day comes, I'm going to enjoy the outdoors by hiking, hunting, and nature watching. I hope everyone will do the same and not get bogged down in all the assumed wrongs and rights. Just do your own thing and hike your own hike on the trail and off.
Happy hiking. :sun
puddingboy
02-11-2009, 17:35
Puddingguy, watch yourself along East Post road where it crosses Indian Creek. That spot is famous for deer/car accidents and deer in Iowa can be huge. Hope you and your family weathered the terrible flood last summer okay. Welcome to the WB. Good luck Morel mushroom hunting this season. If you need a couple of locations for morels or asparagus let me know. Since I don't live there anymore I'm willing to tell a couple of my spots.
Wow that was pretty much exactly where I was. I was walking to indian creek and between my house and it is some prairie/unused horse fields. Me and my family was not affected by the flood. Also when I got to Indian Creek there was a huge ice jam, I mean as far as I could see both ways. Its cool to meet someone else from cedar rapids on whiteblaze.
squirrel bait
02-12-2009, 10:33
You'll be hard pressed to find a place that someone here on WB is not from or very familiar with. Once the ice jam breaks free and empties into the Cedar Indian Creek is an excellent place to catch smallmouth bass. Start where the creek empties into the river and walk/fish upstream. Be mindful of your shadow and profile as you know this is a small stream. A really good stretch is between Mt Vernon road and the gravel road bridge. Small jigs work well but one of the better (read expensive) lures is a 2 3/4 inch floating Rapala. If snagged easily retrievable in Indian creek as the deepest part I've ever found is maybe 4 foot. Nice hiking trails.
warraghiyagey
02-12-2009, 10:53
You do know that the world is primed for another big one don't you? They are just trying to determine where to fight it? :mad:
:sunRun awaaaaaayyyy!!!!!!
http://markontheworld.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/the-end.jpg
sheepdog
02-12-2009, 10:55
Coyotes don't generally 'chase' deer, their primary food source is scavenged food, rodents, and most recently our own pets and livestock (depending where you live). They may bring down an almost dead deer that can't get up, but they are not pack hunters like wolves. :)
Maybe where you live. We have snow here. At times it has a crust on it that the coyotes can run on, but the deer can't. The coyotes pack up and kill lots of deer in the winter.
I was a seman.
were you now?
puddingboy
02-12-2009, 17:30
You'll be hard pressed to find a place that someone here on WB is not from or very familiar with. Once the ice jam breaks free and empties into the Cedar Indian Creek is an excellent place to catch smallmouth bass. Start where the creek empties into the river and walk/fish upstream. Be mindful of your shadow and profile as you know this is a small stream. A really good stretch is between Mt Vernon road and the gravel road bridge. Small jigs work well but one of the better (read expensive) lures is a 2 3/4 inch floating Rapala. If snagged easily retrievable in Indian creek as the deepest part I've ever found is maybe 4 foot. Nice hiking trails.
I love the indian creek area there is just so much to explore. Along with the smallmouth bass the creek was filled with crawdads last summer and as much as I hate to say it carp. I might have to take you up on that offer of your favorite morels spots and thanks for the fishing tips.
Maybe where you live. We have snow here. At times it has a crust on it that the coyotes can run on, but the deer can't. The coyotes pack up and kill lots of deer in the winter.
For most of the winter we had over 1 ft of snow but then record tempertures lately, over 50 degrees, has lead to the snow melting especially in the prairies. I have found a deer carcass before but never witnessed an attack. I also found a dead squirrel thawing out on the same day as the deer accident.
ChinMusic
02-12-2009, 21:54
pic of my deer encounter
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b186/ChinMusicIHSS/DeerAccident11242007005.jpg
sheepdog
02-12-2009, 22:25
pic of my deer encounter
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b186/ChinMusicIHSS/DeerAccident11242007005.jpg
Deer hate those environmentaly friendly cars. Looks premeditated.
warraghiyagey
02-12-2009, 23:11
were you now?
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