Spot Personal Satellite Messenger

[freakflyer9999]

I'm thinking seriously about renting (http://www.trackme360.com/) a Spot Personal Satellite Messenger for an upcoming (2 week long) hiking trip. I've searched the archives here and didn't find anything recent or very detailed about this device. I'd really like to see some of the emails/tracks created by the device.
Was the device timely and accurate?
Did family members/friends find it useful to track your progress?
Also, has anyone actually activated one of these in an emergency? If so, please give some details.

I did see that a lot of folks don't feel that this device is worthwhile, necessary or should even be carried by a "real" hiker, however, I'm considering this device for a number of reasons.

#1 My wife is a professional worrier. This will be my first solo hike and I believe that it will give her some peace of mind to see periodic messages that I'm ok.

#2 I believe in risk mitigation. I'm not physically (overweight - lost 65 lbs but still have 65 to go) the most prepared hiker, plus I have a few misc. medical issues (high BP, diabetes, etc.) that though not life threatening in everyday life, could become so in some cases. Some might say don't hike, but I'd rather not spend what is left of my life sitting on the couch. I've already done enough of that.

#3 I'll be hiking off-trail in the Weminuche Wilderness where I can't count on seeing other hikers routinely.

#4 Though I feel quite confident that I know the limits of my abilities and will try my best to operate within the limits of those abilities, there are alway those rare unexpected things that even a "real" hiker just may not be able to deal with alone. Broken bones, falls:jump, animal attacks:eek:, etc. Yes, I know that there are ways to mitigate the risks of them and to deal with these when they do happen, but "accidents" do happen.:datz

#5 I'm a geek and this looks cool.:cool:

#6 :rolleyes:Who knows, I may just be too tired to hike and need a helicopter ride out.:rolleyes:

[Wise Old Owl]

What you are looking for to best answer you question, was a thread here on WB about spot. I suspect it was six months ago and a member posted a thread connection to his hiking pattern on Google Maps.

As for the wife - tell her the insurance is paid up!:D

[JohnF]

http://www.BackpackGearTest.org/reviews/Communication_Gear/SPOT%20Satellite%20Messenger/

[freakflyer9999]

What you are looking for to best answer you question, was a thread here on WB about spot. I suspect it was six months ago and a member posted a thread connection to his hiking pattern on Google Maps.

As for the wife - tell her the insurance is paid up!:D

I found one hyperlink to a Spot track in an older thread, but I guess that it was out of date and no longer showed any points.

As for the wife, I'm actually afraid that she does know that the insurance is paid up. I'm worth considerably more to her dead than alive. I'll make sure that the Spot sends out messages to multiple family members.:sun

[shoe]

I use the SPOT.
I have never had a message not go through. (although I don't do tracking)
I am able to put my own personal message...it is a set message and can't change day to day.
My family likes looking at where go from day to day.
I like it.
Alot of people don't.
It's not perfect.
The 911 function works great as I have had to use it on a friend last year.

[4eyedbuzzard]

http://www.BackpackGearTest.org/reviews/Communication_Gear/SPOT%20Satellite%20Messenger/

I sure wouldn't rely on it based upon those reviews.

[kayak karl]

I'm thinking seriously about renting (http://www.trackme360.com/) a Spot Personal Satellite Messenger for an upcoming (2 week long) hiking trip. I've searched the archives here and didn't find anything recent or very detailed about this device. I'd really like to see some of the emails/tracks created by the device.
Was the device timely and accurate?
Did family members/friends find it useful to track your progress?
Also, has anyone actually activated one of these in an emergency? If so, please give some details.

I did see that a lot of folks don't feel that this device is worthwhile, necessary or should even be carried by a "real" hiker, however, I'm considering this device for a number of reasons.

#1 My wife is a professional worrier. This will be my first solo hike and I believe that it will give her some peace of mind to see periodic messages that I'm ok.

#2 I believe in risk mitigation. I'm not physically (overweight - lost 65 lbs but still have 65 to go) the most prepared hiker, plus I have a few misc. medical issues (high BP, diabetes, etc.) that though not life threatening in everyday life, could become so in some cases. Some might say don't hike, but I'd rather not spend what is left of my life sitting on the couch. I've already done enough of that.

#3 I'll be hiking off-trail in the Weminuche Wilderness where I can't count on seeing other hikers routinely.

#4 Though I feel quite confident that I know the limits of my abilities and will try my best to operate within the limits of those abilities, there are alway those rare unexpected things that even a "real" hiker just may not be able to deal with alone. Broken bones, falls:jump, animal attacks:eek:, etc. Yes, I know that there are ways to mitigate the risks of them and to deal with these when they do happen, but "accidents" do happen.:datz

#5 I'm a geek and this looks cool.:cool:

#6 :rolleyes:Who knows, I may just be too tired to hike and need a helicopter ride out.:rolleyes:

this ia a link to my map that was generated by SPOT http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=us&ie=UTF8&om=0&msa=0&z=5&msid=112746510977574609048.00045653637a1e7b4d0b5 there are 3 pages to it. this is a SPOT map http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=07Abhlo7tQh1BDKHUZOmfNG9u8Qax3t 0f from 5 days ago. it does not send e-mail, just notification that there is an OK message on SPOT map. very easy to program. sends most messages in no longer then 5 min. it is a cool geeky toy. BUT for the tracking it must be on top of your pack facing the sky. if you get lost and are walking in circles, everybody will know , but you. :) if you take off your pack (like to get water) you need to clip it to yourself. i was dealing with alot of ice. my worst falls i was not waring pack or SPOT, (cracked my rib at Clingman's Dome). if it makes family happy, take it. they will have fun with the tracking mode. if you want a helicopter ride, go to the county fair. its cheaper:D

[freakflyer9999]

I sure wouldn't rely on it based upon those reviews.

I agree. Those reviews were very helpful, but certainly not reassuring about the product.

Most of my hike will be below treeline in several creek/river valleys. I suspect that my results would be very similar to the reviewers.

[freakflyer9999]

this ia a link to my map that was generated by SPOT http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=us&ie=UTF8&om=0&msa=0&z=5&msid=112746510977574609048.00045653637a1e7b4d0b5 there are 3 pages to it. this is a SPOT map http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=07Abhlo7tQh1BDKHUZOmfNG9u8Qax3t 0f from 5 days ago. it does not send e-mail, just notification that there is an OK message on SPOT map. very easy to program. sends most messages in no longer then 5 min. it is a cool geeky toy. BUT for the tracking it must be on top of your pack facing the sky. if you get lost and are walking in circles, everybody will know , but you. :) if you take off your pack (like to get water) you need to clip it to yourself. i was dealing with alot of ice. my worst falls i was not waring pack or SPOT, (cracked my rib at Clingman's Dome). if it makes family happy, take it. they will have fun with the tracking mode. if you want a helicopter ride, go to the county fair. its cheaper:D

I'm curious, why do you think the SPOT is successful for you while the 3 reviewers in the BackPackGearTest.org were mostly unsucessful? It was rare for these 3 reviews to get a message through the SPOT system, however, yours appears to be performing as one would expect. What was the terrain and tree cover like where you were hiking?

[freakflyer9999]

I use the SPOT.
I have never had a message not go through. (although I don't do tracking)
I am able to put my own personal message...it is a set message and can't change day to day.
My family likes looking at where go from day to day.
I like it.
Alot of people don't.
It's not perfect.
The 911 function works great as I have had to use it on a friend last year.

Where do you hike primarily? What type of terrain and tree cover?

Can you expand a bit upon the use of the 911 function? What was the situation? Where? Did the emergency responders have any knowledge of your use of the device? If so, did they have any comments?

[BrianLe]

I know this isn't the sort of reply being sought, but my daughter just finished her SAR (Search And Rescue) training, and points #1 and #6 in the initial "list of reasons to bring it" really give me pause.
#1: Most of us have someone at home that wants us to return safe. My concern about a "professional worrier" is that if the device breaks, the battery dies, you forget to use it, you're in locations where you think signal is sent but it's not, or for whatever reason an expected daily checkin doesn't occur --- could the result be an unnecessary search for you?

Reason #6 --- I sure hope you're just joking about that one ... unfortunately I know there are people out there who do fully expect that helicopter or motor vehicle rescue awaits them if they feel it's inconvenient to walk back out on their own. A recent example: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gi_lrN-asW4_R8khpRBPn1e2bShwD96MN5182

To be clear, I'm not suggesting that PLBs are "bad" or anything, just that the expectations of those at home --- as well as those using it on the trail --- are important if we're not to start having too many false emergencies straining our various SAR resources.

[freakflyer9999]

I know this isn't the sort of reply being sought, but my daughter just finished her SAR (Search And Rescue) training, and points #1 and #6 in the initial "list of reasons to bring it" really give me pause.
#1: Most of us have someone at home that wants us to return safe. My concern about a "professional worrier" is that if the device breaks, the battery dies, you forget to use it, you're in locations where you think signal is sent but it's not, or for whatever reason an expected daily checkin doesn't occur --- could the result be an unnecessary search for you?

Reason #6 --- I sure hope you're just joking about that one ... unfortunately I know there are people out there who do fully expect that helicopter or motor vehicle rescue awaits them if they feel it's inconvenient to walk back out on their own. A recent example: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gi_lrN-asW4_R8khpRBPn1e2bShwD96MN5182

To be clear, I'm not suggesting that PLBs are "bad" or anything, just that the expectations of those at home --- as well as those using it on the trail --- are important if we're not to start having too many false emergencies straining our various SAR resources.

Good point about what might happen if my wife were to not receive an expected checkin because of a failure of the device.

As for the helicopter ride, I did put the :rolleyes: "Roll Eyes(Sarcastic)" icon around that statement.
I think that the fee (in the article you linked to), should be much more substantial than $100. Perhaps $1000 plus actual cost of the rescue. Of course Colorado has a fund that you can buy into for a few bucks or by buying a fishing/hunting license that covers actual search and rescue costs. IIRC, It doesn't cover the cost to actually evacuate you though, just to find you and administer any needed first aid at the scene.

There was a snowy thunderstorm that trapped 15 unprepared hikers on Longs Peak last year. Someone used their cell phone to call for a helicopter rescue. http://www.rmnpforums.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=13527&hl=longs+peak+rescue Since helicopters couldn't fly in the weather, it took 22 park rangers to climb up and escort them down. What a wonderful use of taxpayer resources.

[kayak karl]

I'm curious, why do you think the SPOT is successful for you while the 3 reviewers in the BackPackGearTest.org were mostly unsucessful? It was rare for these 3 reviews to get a message through the SPOT system, however, yours appears to be performing as one would expect. What was the terrain and tree cover like where you were hiking?
SPOT recently suggested thay you mount your SPOT on top of your pack. i haven't checked the SPOT in the green tunnel yet. yes it does work fine so far. would i stake my life on it? NO

[catfishrivers]

Les Stroud (Survivorman) recommends SPOT in his new book fwiw...

[freakflyer9999]

SPOT recently suggested thay you mount your SPOT on top of your pack. i haven't checked the SPOT in the green tunnel yet. yes it does work fine so far. would i stake my life on it? NO

Looking at the tracks that you posted, it appears that you were certainly in varied terrain with at least moderate tree cover. Maybe putting it on top of the pack is the key.

I'm not fully convinced that this is something that I would purchase, but $59.95 to rent it seems like a decent price to test it out. Based on the other advice earlier in this thread, I think I will give my son access to it instead of my wife with clear instructions about when to contact and when not to contact rescue services based on the device.

[freakflyer9999]

Les Stroud (Survivorman) recommends SPOT in his new book fwiw...

I wonder how much they paid him for that recommendation?

[Wise Old Owl]

Although some garmin models like legend suffer the same outcome one wonders if spot is using a cheap antenna instead of something that could make the difference. The AA battery is also a serious concern. I am glad the reviews were brought to my attention.

[shoe]

My spot usage has been used in Georgia at all times of the year, Marlyland and Pennsylvania during summer, and Maine during August.
Tree cover was heavy in parts, open in others.
(Remember I don't use mine for tracking, just the nightly message. I can usually find a fairly open spot near my campsite for the night. My folks at home know not to worry unless it's been several days before getting a message)

I will send a PM with more details on the emergency


Where do you hike primarily? What type of terrain and tree cover?

Can you expand a bit upon the use of the 911 function? What was the situation? Where? Did the emergency responders have any knowledge of your use of the device? If so, did they have any comments?

[Lellers]

I posted about SPOT in the older thread. I'd just reiterate a bit from my experience. I didn't know that the unit should be mounted to the top of my packs. It was kept in a side mesh pocket. We were in Shenandoah in August under full tree cover most of the time. We used tracking mode, and our messages went through and were received back home most times. All of our OK messages were received. Fortunately, we never had to use the 911 feature. When we did have problems with SPOT, it was due to "pilot error". There is a particular sequence for starting the tracking feature. I messed up that sequence several times without knowing it. When the error was discovered and the sequence was followed correctly, all was well. If you use the device, learn the sequence and the timing of the steps. I should have spent more time on this before leaving home. It's not difficult. I just didn't take the time to really learn to do it correctly.

We had the SPOT unit turned on daily for 6 days. It was only turned off at night. We had fresh batteries at the start of the trip, and had power all week. No problems.

My biggest problem was with "backseat drivers" at home who felt the need to critique our progress at the end of the trip. That was very annoying, but certainly not SPOT's fault.

Regarding someone at home who may jump to sending out a search party for you, spend time educating your people about what can go wrong, errors with SPOT commands, dead batteries, etc. Establish criteria, in writing, for when your home base should call for help if you are not heard from.

At some point in the future, as my personal funds allow, I will probably purchase a SPOT unit of my own. My overall experience with it was good.

[freakflyer9999]

Although some garmin models like legend suffer the same outcome one wonders if spot is using a cheap antenna instead of something that could make the difference. The AA battery is also a serious concern. I am glad the reviews were brought to my attention.

From what I've been able to determine as well as a post later in this thread a set of AA batteries should be good for 7-14 days of usage. A spare set of AA batteries wouldn't be much of a weight penalty in addition to the unit itself.

For my purposes, I don't plan on being away from resupply more than 5 days at a time, so the battery life should be more than adequate.

The reviews on backpackgeartest.org were initially of concern to me, however, it appears that if the unit is attached to the top of your pack folks are having reasonable success with the device.

I'm going to rent one for my trip this coming July and will report back on it once I do.

[shoe]

The batteries last longer if you are not using the tracking mode. I don't use tracking and my lithium batteries have been in there for a year. I will of course change them before this year's hike :)

[Lucy Lulu]

I posted in the other SPOT thread. I used mine on the PCT with few issues. The ones I did have were due to user error (dead batteries twice, and using it incorrectly in the beginning).

I used the tracking feature, and was suprised at how much my friends and family enjoyed it. They especially had a good time when it appeared I was wandering aimlessly, or headed in the wrong direction. Mine are a very "visual" group, and seemed to prefer it to the journal..hmmm.

Everyone was forewarned about SPOT's potential for a poor signal when under cover, absent minded battery issues, etc. Lack of a signal was never really an issue (I carried it inside the top pocket of my pack, in a quart bag), but battery death was on occaision. Everyone was prepared, and any minor catastrophes avoided.

I was asked to carry the spot for the peace it gave others. I argued...I lost...I no longer mind. It has again been requested I carry it on the CDT this year. SPOT will again take the journey.

[Silver Bear]

Where can you rent a spot and what does it cost? Thinking about a 2 week hike around the end of April to early May. Springer to Fontana.

[Mags]

The Spot is a Dumbo Feather.

I am not sure if it really helps in an emergency or is reliable enough , but it does seem to give families a peace of mind and allows people to do their hikes.


It allows you to hike, take it.

Otherwise, no reason to buy it (based on the mixed reviews) unless your family/significant others strongly urge you to get something like this.

[Lucy Lulu]

:-?...a "Dumbo Feather." I may have to use that one in my argument..hmmm.

"I can no longer carry the SPOT. All the other kids now tell me I'm carrying a "Dumbo Feather. How humiliating...<sniff>."

Who am I kidding...I will still loose.

[SGT Rock]

Maybe part of the freedom of getting out to hike is the freedom from others tracking you. Seems that anyone insisting that they have the ability to do that needs a sanity check.

I may want to be able to let people know where I am when I can, but it should be something that works for both parties. Simply carrying a device because someone that isn't hiking insists on it seems obsessive. If someone insisted you carry a gun on not hike because you were in danger of hillbillies, snakes, and bears you would probably explain why it makes no sense.

If someone insisted I use the SPOT, I might insist they seek counseling.

[Mags]

Nothing to do with humiliating. Guess people don't remember their Disney. :)

Dumbo did NOT need the feather to fly, but he thought he did.

People do not need SPOT to be safe, but their families think they do..and that lets people go off and hike and their families have a peace of mind. That is what is technically known as a "Good thing". ;)



So..yeah, it is a Dumbo Feather. :D

It is not bad or good...but calling it a Dumbo Feather really puts it in perspective I think.

[Tipi Walter]

Maybe part of the freedom of getting out to hike is the freedom from others tracking you. Seems that anyone insisting that they have the ability to do that needs a sanity check.

I may want to be able to let people know where I am when I can, but it should be something that works for both parties. Simply carrying a device because someone that isn't hiking insists on it seems obsessive. If someone insisted you carry a gun on not hike because you were in danger of hillbillies, snakes, and bears you would probably explain why it makes no sense.

If someone insisted I use the SPOT, I might insist they seek counseling.

Total agreement here. I see it as Wilderness House Arrest. I want the freedom from others tracking me. Like Doug Peacock said on his long trips out, "I don't want to be found."

[Lucy Lulu]

I actually hike quite a bit, and people that care about me have had to make compromises for my hiking. If carrying this device makes them happy, then that is the least I feel I can do...whether I agree with their logic and rationality or not.

I found my family's reaction to the SPOT interesting. Initially, they were fascinated with the fact that they could view the terrain via Google. It kind of gave them a different perspective on my hikes.

After a period of time many of them actually quit checking in very often. They did not need to know where I was located. It just made them feel better to believe I had a "feather" that could "save me," if need be...

I let them believe what they would like, and for a whopping 8 ounces, they are a little happier, and I get to hike in a little more peace.

[SGT Rock]

My family was very happy with an on-line journal. 8 ounces of warm clothing does more for the hiker than a SPOT does.

[BrianLe]

"As for the helicopter ride, I did put the "Roll Eyes(Sarcastic)" icon around that statement.:rolleyes:"

Oops, sorry. I use a firefox add-on (adblock) to block such icons from this site because some people use flashing icons and I find that distracting/annoying.

I wish there was a way to ensure I got all meaningful information without the irritants ...

[freakflyer9999]

Where can you rent a spot and what does it cost? Thinking about a 2 week hike around the end of April to early May. Springer to Fontana.

Click on the word renting (http://www.trackme360.com/) either here or in my original post.

[SGT Rock]

I'm thinking we should get Minnesota Smith one.

[kayak karl]

I'm thinking we should get Minnesota Smith one.
he can have mine:D

[SGT Rock]

Outstanding!

[freakflyer9999]

Maybe part of the freedom of getting out to hike is the freedom from others tracking you. Seems that anyone insisting that they have the ability to do that needs a sanity check.

I may want to be able to let people know where I am when I can, but it should be something that works for both parties. Simply carrying a device because someone that isn't hiking insists on it seems obsessive. If someone insisted you carry a gun on not hike because you were in danger of hillbillies, snakes, and bears you would probably explain why it makes no sense.

If someone insisted I use the SPOT, I might insist they seek counseling.

First of all, I don't claim that my wife is totally sane and at times she may be obsessive. I also didn't claim that she insisted on me carrying a Spot. Matter of fact she doesn't currently know about my plans for this hike or that a device called a Spot even exists. I do things for my wife because I care, not because they always make sense. Of course sometimes I do things for myself like go hiking. The day after my best friend died in a skydiving accident, I grabbed my parachute and headed to the dropzone to make another jump. In spite of the fact that my wife was crying and screaming for me not to go. It was something I had to do for myself.

To be quite honest though the Spot is as much for my peace of mind as it is for my wife's. As I stated in my original post I believe that it is part of my risk mitigation plan. For $59.95 and 8 ounces, the device is one that may or may not even be needed much less actually save my life, but it is a small investment. If it works as designed, it will give me some peace of mind during my first solo hike. The reviews are somewhat mixed as to whether it works as designed, however, those contending that it works "most of the time" seem to be edging out those for whom the device did not work at all. I think the key difference is placement of the device and as one person told me via pm, I should be able to find a clear area somewhere in which to send an "OK" message.

When I was skydiving I usually jumped with an Automatic Activation Device (AAD) on my reserve parachute. This is a device that cost $1200 and is designed to open my reserve parachute if I was falling through 1000 feet agl at a speed of about 80 MPH or faster. Now at 80 MPH and 1000 feet your life expectancy is less than 7 seconds unless something happens. Did I ever need this device? No I saved my own life every time, but I had it as a risk mitigator at my wife's request. There was no guarantee that the device would even work. Nobody should ever risk there life solely depending on a mechanical device to save it. These AAD's (older models with different firing parameters) actually risked my life at times. I had two seperate occasions where they deployed my reserve in spite of the fact that I already had a perfectly funtioning main canopy above my head. Their firing was my fault because I entered the zone where the device detected that I needed its assistance.

Now on the other hand, I did not hesitate to jump without my AAD when it was being serviced or after I decided to sell it.

I see the Spot in a similar light. It will probably never risk my life, but it may malfunction and risk an unnecessary search and rescue. I can hike without it, but the risk of hiking with it is minimal.

Now for your statement about carrying a gun. I do that for my own peace of mind. I'll be the first to admit that I certainly need it much less in the backcountry, but I carry it anyway. I carry it to the grocery store, to the mall, to the restaurant and pretty much every legally can. I don't really consider it extra weight (15 oz with full mag), because I pretty much carry it everywhere I go already, whether I have a pack on my back or not. It is in my pocket as I sit here typing this because I haven't gotten around to putting it in the safe yet tonight. Now if you told me that I couldn't go hiking with it, then I would probably still go hiking, but there are a few places that I might choose to avoid in that case. I went hiking on Memorial Day weekend in Arkansas. I don't think I've ever seen that many rednecks in one place before in my life and I live in Texas. Virtually every one of them were drinking beer and had a gun hanging from the rack in their pickup.

[skinewmexico]

Wilderness House Arrest. That's priceless. I've been trying to think of a description. I might carry a PLB if I had to, but I'd hate wearing the equivalent of an ankle monitor.

[SGT Rock]

Think about this: get a phone.

You can call her every day and tell her how it went instead of just an "im ok" button. Give her a Companion so she can see where that actually is and read about it.

If you get in trouble call 911. With a phone you can tell them what is actually wrong and get information from the rescue about what their response will be.

Some phones even come with GPS so you can tell your location to 10 digits.

They weigh less than a spot does too.

Chances are you already have one.

[SGT Rock]

Wilderness House Arrest. That's priceless. I've been trying to think of a description. I might carry a PLB if I had to, but I'd hate wearing the equivalent of an ankle monitor.
I carried a PLB in Iraq on my second tour because I was in a high risk of capture job. Luckily I never needed it.:D

[Chance09]

this is just from what i've read on here but the two main downsides to a spot are
1:You miss checking in with someone and they freakout, or the batteries die and they freak out, either way you get the same result.
2: someone mentioned that the prerecorded messages weren't specific enough and would have only caused more harm/worry than good. The simple messages provided don't suffice for all situations

[freakflyer9999]

Wilderness House Arrest. That's priceless. I've been trying to think of a description. I might carry a PLB if I had to, but I'd hate wearing the equivalent of an ankle monitor.

I guess that you could look at it that way or you could consider it yet another piece of equipment that may be useful. Kinda like you carry rain gear just in case of rain. You don't have to actually give anyone else access to the tracking or checkin functions. The 911 and help functions would still work without tracking and checkin.

I think I've come to the conclusion that I will rent the unit and give my son access to the checkin messages. I will tell my wife only that it has a button for me to call 911 should I need it and that I'll call her on my cell phone when I can.

[freakflyer9999]

Think about this: get a phone.

You can call her every day and tell her how it went instead of just an "im ok" button. Give her a Companion so she can see where that actually is and read about it.

If you get in trouble call 911. With a phone you can tell them what is actually wrong and get information from the rescue about what their response will be.

Some phones even come with GPS so you can tell your location to 10 digits.

They weigh less than a spot does too.

Chances are you already have one.

Yes, I do already have a cell phone. I will probably even have a cell phone with GPS by then and even if I don't I do have a Garmin GPS with TOPO maps. The only drawback is that I will have no cell service in the Weminuche Wilderness where I plan to spend the majority of my 2 weeks hiking and fishing.

[freakflyer9999]

I carried a PLB in Iraq on my second tour because I was in a high risk of capture job. Luckily I never needed it.:D

Well didn't you already have a cell phone or a radio????:-?

[freakflyer9999]

I carried a PLB in Iraq on my second tour because I was in a high risk of capture job. Luckily I never needed it.:D

BTW, In all seriousness. Thank you for serving in Iraq, not once but twice. Your volunteer service is greatly appreciated by myself as well as many others.

[SGT Rock]

Yes we did. I also had an M240B machine gun, a pistol, frags, flares, smokes, and an M4. I considered the PLB a useless piece of crap but was forced to carry it by my higher HQ that was worried about me. But even they admitted the draw backs to the system which I won't go into here because guys in the field are using them and I don't want to relate something which could get someone killed - but lets just say I know I won't rely on them in the wilderness here in the US. I was glad to get rid of it when we got replaced by the new team. Give me a GPS, Map and Radio any day.

But...

The whole SPOT thing reminds me of the chain mail food bag a guy was talking about using on the trail last year. Seems he was convinced the varmints were going to eat his food and he was ready to hack the weight if it saved his food just once. He had already convinced himself there was a need. He came on here and asked where he could get one, he had found an article about it but couldn't find where to buy it.

We all told him it was unneeded. That thousands of hikers had hiked without this and had adequate protection for their food. He got mad at us for not agreeing with him and just answering his question because he had already determined he needed it to be successful. He eventually found a place to buy one and told us all he had made up his mind and we couldn't convince him he was getting something useless.

BUT he eventually figured out we were not trying to screw with him - just giving him a real answer even if it wasn't what he wanted to hear. Took some convincing.

Guess what. He eventually decided not to hike with a chain mail food bag. He even finished his thru hike safely without it. His need was all in his mind. His worries were all mind-made. His solution was an over-reaction.

Sometimes what people convince themselves they need is not actually a need. Sometimes what we think makes us safe is only an illusion. SPOT intends to make money off that.

[SGT Rock]

BTW, In all seriousness. Thank you for serving in Iraq, not once but twice. Your volunteer service is greatly appreciated by myself as well as many others.
Thanks for the nod. I did my duty. I feel honored to have been given the opportunity.

[freakflyer9999]

Yes we did. I also had an M240B machine gun, a pistol, frags, flares, smokes, and an M4. I considered the PLB a useless piece of crap but was forced to carry it by my higher HQ that was worried about me. But even they admitted the draw backs to the system which I won't go into here because guys in the field are using them and I don't want to relate something which could get someone killed - but lets just say I know I won't rely on them in the wilderness here in the US. I was glad to get rid of it when we got replaced by the new team. Give me a GPS, Map and Radio any day.

But...

The whole SPOT thing reminds me of the chain mail food bag a guy was talking about using on the trail last year. Seems he was convinced the varmints were going to eat his food and he was ready to hack the weight if it saved his food just once. He had already convinced himself there was a need. He came on here and asked where he could get one, he had found an article about it but couldn't find where to buy it.

We all told him it was unneeded. That thousands of hikers had hiked without this and had adequate protection for their food. He got mad at us for not agreeing with him and just answering his question because he had already determined he needed it to be successful. He eventually found a place to buy one and told us all he had made up his mind and we couldn't convince him he was getting something useless.

BUT he eventually figured out we were not trying to screw with him - just giving him a real answer even if it wasn't what he wanted to hear. Took some convincing.

Guess what. He eventually decided not to hike with a chain mail food bag. He even finished his thru hike safely without it. His need was all in his mind. His worries were all mind-made. His solution was an over-reaction.

Sometimes what people convince themselves they need is not actually a need. Sometimes what we think makes us safe is only an illusion. SPOT intends to make money off that.

So what's this chain mail food bag you speak of and where do you get them? Believe me I understand that a Spot is not any more required for hiking than a chain mail food bag. It is simply a tool.

Now what do you need a GPS for if you have a map and (I assume)a compass? Isn't that just extra crap? When I took orienteering class, I believe that we were given nothing more than a map and a compass. I don't think that we even knew what a GPS was back then. Heck I even got to call in artillery on a herd of deer once. You guessed it, with nothing more than a map and a compass.
:banana

[SGT Rock]

When you are running and gunning a GPS saves you a lot of time. Trust me.

Map and compass are something I am very good with, and I carried the compass too. But if I am trying to E&E back I'd rather take a second to look at my GPS and see my grid, then find it on a map, then spend time computing a resection.

[freakflyer9999]

When you are running and gunning a GPS saves you a lot of time. Trust me.

Map and compass are something I am very good with, and I carried the compass too. But if I am trying to E&E back I'd rather take a second to look at my GPS and see my grid, then find it on a map, then spend time computing a resection.

Ohhh...I understand. As a hiker a GPS really is useless crap (though I do carry one for convenience). A map and compass is all I ever had back in the day and I got around just fine as I too am very good with them. Just pointing out that one person's useless crap could be a life saver for someone else as I suspect your GPS could have been under fire.

The herd of deer that I called artillery in on wasn't firing back.

Well, it's just about bed time. Have a good evening.:)

[SGT Rock]

Just pointing out that one person's useless crap could be a life saver for someone else as I suspect your GPS could have been under fire. But even under fire the PLB would still have been a useless piece of crap.


Have a good one.

[schnikel]

My older brother bought me and my wife a spot for a BP trip in the Rocky Mtns. We did not use it then b/c it was 100$ to activate it. Fast forward a year and I am climbing Mt Washington NH in in Janurary and my parents slint the activation amount with my wife so we did activate it. I was to press the "ok" button every hour on the hour. I did. I was on the mountain nine hrs and all they recieved was 2 locations ; one on the summit and one once I was off the mountain. SPOT did not work, but don't ask why. Maybe the cold (-7 and windchills breaking -80) or the cloud cover, I don't know. If you buy and or use it, when you do signal, keep the device outside and in a clear shot of the sky; no tree cover!!
That's my experiance anyways.

[dla]

I'm thinking seriously about renting (http://www.trackme360.com/) a Spot Personal Satellite Messenger for an upcoming (2 week long) hiking trip. I've searched the archives here and didn't find anything recent or very detailed about this device. I'd really like to see some of the emails/tracks created by the device.
Was the device timely and accurate?
Did family members/friends find it useful to track your progress?
Also, has anyone actually activated one of these in an emergency? If so, please give some details.

I did see that a lot of folks don't feel that this device is worthwhile, necessary or should even be carried by a "real" hiker, however, I'm considering this device for a number of reasons.

#1 My wife is a professional worrier. This will be my first solo hike and I believe that it will give her some peace of mind to see periodic messages that I'm ok.

#2 I believe in risk mitigation. I'm not physically (overweight - lost 65 lbs but still have 65 to go) the most prepared hiker, plus I have a few misc. medical issues (high BP, diabetes, etc.) that though not life threatening in everyday life, could become so in some cases. Some might say don't hike, but I'd rather not spend what is left of my life sitting on the couch. I've already done enough of that.

#3 I'll be hiking off-trail in the Weminuche Wilderness where I can't count on seeing other hikers routinely.

#4 Though I feel quite confident that I know the limits of my abilities and will try my best to operate within the limits of those abilities, there are alway those rare unexpected things that even a "real" hiker just may not be able to deal with alone. Broken bones, falls:jump, animal attacks:eek:, etc. Yes, I know that there are ways to mitigate the risks of them and to deal with these when they do happen, but "accidents" do happen.:datz

#5 I'm a geek and this looks cool.:cool:

#6 :rolleyes:Who knows, I may just be too tired to hike and need a helicopter ride out.:rolleyes:

Follow my signature line. I'm a happy SPOT owner and I've used it a lot. Hope this helps.

[A New Convert]

My older brother bought me and my wife a spot for a BP trip in the Rocky Mtns. We did not use it then b/c it was 100$ to activate it. Fast forward a year and I am climbing Mt Washington NH in in Janurary and my parents slint the activation amount with my wife so we did activate it. I was to press the "ok" button every hour on the hour. I did. I was on the mountain nine hrs and all they recieved was 2 locations ; one on the summit and one once I was off the mountain. SPOT did not work, but don't ask why. Maybe the cold (-7 and windchills breaking -80) or the cloud cover, I don't know. If you buy and or use it, when you do signal, keep the device outside and in a clear shot of the sky; no tree cover!!
That's my experiance anyways.

I don't know all the circumstances involved but the spot manual tells you that the ok feature runs for 20 minutes. If you just take it out, hit ok, and then put it away it's not going to do it's job. My guess is that on the summit it either had a clearer view of the southern sky and locked on faster or it was left to signal longer.

In any case on the hour every hour just sets you up for a worried wife at best.

BC

[zoidfu]

Heck I even got to call in artillery on a herd of deer once. You guessed it, with nothing more than a map and a compass.
:banana

I would have refused that order. Sick and unneccessary.

[freakflyer9999]

I would have refused that order. Sick and unneccessary.

And I probably wouldn't do it again today, but that was 30+ years ago at the age of 19. Heck I sold my hunting rifle 15 years ago and changed to a bow and arrow, because it just wasn't sporting . The deer have almost as good a chance of taking me out as I do of taking them with a bow.

[dla]

I don't know all the circumstances involved but the spot manual tells you that the ok feature runs for 20 minutes. If you just take it out, hit ok, and then put it away it's not going to do it's job. My guess is that on the summit it either had a clearer view of the southern sky and locked on faster or it was left to signal longer.

In any case on the hour every hour just sets you up for a worried wife at best.

BC

You're a bin 3.

That is why I put the SPOT info up on my website. I tested it in a heavy snowstorm once.

[A New Convert]

You're a bin 3.

That is why I put the SPOT info up on my website. I tested it in a heavy snowstorm once.

Bin 3? Your going to have to do some 'splainin on that.

Fantastic page btw.

BC

[EverydayJourneyman]

I LOVE SPOT.

I used it this winter for the Plymouth-Dakar rally and it worked brilliantly. Through 10 countries, 3 Continents, and the Sahara, and I never lost coverage. Can't wait to use it again on the AT.

[Shutterbug]

I don't know all the circumstances involved but the spot manual tells you that the ok feature runs for 20 minutes. If you just take it out, hit ok, and then put it away it's not going to do it's job. My guess is that on the summit it either had a clearer view of the southern sky and locked on faster or it was left to signal longer.

In any case on the hour every hour just sets you up for a worried wife at best.

BC

I bought a SPOT a year ago. I have used it on a number of hikes, using both the tracking feature and the "I'm OK" feature. I have never had occasion to use the "Help" or the "911" features.

I have found that SPOT work great above the tree line. I used it in the Goat Rocks Wilderness on the PCT last summer. It gave a signal every 10 minutes and all of them showed up.

I have used it on a Rim to Rim of the Grand Canyon. The signals were received every 10 minutes until I got to the South Rim. I assume the satellite was below the horizon because the reports were spotty climbing up the rim.

I have used it on Mt. Rainier under the tree cover. The tracking messages almost never get out under the tree cover.

I use the "I'm OK" feature only to mark my camp. I have found that if I put the SPOT under place where I can see the sky and leave it for 20 minutes the "I'm OK" signal always gets out.

My family all enjoy being able to track my progress when I hike. I think it is well worth the cost and fully meets my expectations. Of course, I didn't expect it to send messages through thick tree cover. Anyone who does doesn't understand the technology.

[rdpolete]

Wish I was going with you, the Weminuche Wilderness is my favorite place to hike. Last time out I was on a 5 day/ 6 night 70 mile loop and saw 4 people and all on the last day. Love the area.... Have fun. Remember to check in with the rangers before hitting the trail and let them know when you are off trail. If you leave a trip manifest with you family as well as some bail out possibilities you in conjunction with the spot you might be better off than relying on the spot to get you out of a bad spot when it doesn't work. As for the GPS and stuff, I perfer just a map and to know where you are at. Never have been lost, because I always know where I am.

[Gear To Go Outfitter]

I think it comes down to this, if it makes you and your family more comfortable to carry the Spot, then go ahead and rent it. Some may think it is a piece of junk or not necessary but if it gives you Peace of mind then go ahead and pack it.

[freakflyer9999]

I just got back from my first solo trip and I did rent a SPOT to carry with me. The device did work some of the time, however, in the river valley where I spent most of my time it only worked about 1/10th of the time.
This valley was relatively narrow. I'd estimate about 1 1/2 - 3 miles from peak to peak on either side of the river and about 2000 to 3000 feet elevation change from valley floor to peaks. I went approximately 13 miles into the valley. (Pine River Valley from Lake Vallecito which is north of Bayfield, CO.)

Bottom line is that the device did not work in this environment. But to be honest, neither did my high dollar Garmin GPS work absolutely everywhere either. I noticed that it lost satellite signal on at least 2 occasions as I hiked through a canyon with heavy trees.

I don't think that I will personally carry a SPOT again. The rental expense (< $60/2 weeks) was negligible, but the value for this environment was also negligible.

[ChinMusic]

I received a SPOT today and attempted to use it on a simple walk on my local bike trail. I waited and waited and waited at my car for the SPOT to send an "OK" signal in a COMPLETELY open area. It blinked and blinked and blinked as I waited for it to give me the 5-second done signal. Never saw it but it turns out one was sent. That is BS.

On the trail, which is a combination of open and partially tree-covered NOT ONE tacking point was registered. At one point, with me holding out in my hand, with no trees anywhere near, I had it blinking correctly. I walked under ONE FREAKING TREE and it went into "lost mode" and never came out. I would turn it off and "reset" it only for it to go into lost mode every time. It DID get it to register ONE tracking point on my drive home......whooohooo.

I have been a supporter of this technology but upon first attempt at using one I have to say it is the biggest piece of electronic crap I have ever used.

I'll see how I feel after my next try.

[Wise Old Owl]

I received a SPOT today and attempted to use it on a simple walk on my local bike trail. I waited and waited and waited at my car for the SPOT to send an "OK" signal in a COMPLETELY open area. It blinked and blinked and blinked as I waited for it to give me the 5-second done signal. Never saw it but it turns out one was sent. That is BS.

On the trail, which is a combination of open and partially tree-covered NOT ONE tacking point was registered. At one point, with me holding out in my hand, with no trees anywhere near, I had it blinking correctly. I walked under ONE FREAKING TREE and it went into "lost mode" and never came out. I would turn it off and "reset" it only for it to go into lost mode every time. It DID get it to register ONE tracking point on my drive home......whooohooo.

I have been a supporter of this technology but upon first attempt at using one I have to say it is the biggest piece of electronic crap I have ever used.

I'll see how I feel after my next try.

What did you expect? the Calvery?

Find a little faith-not in electronics.

I am not picking on you... I like the idea, but won't hop onto the chuck wagon idea for a few years.

[ChinMusic]

What did you expect? the Calvery?

Find a little faith-not in electronics.

I am not picking on you... I like the idea, but won't hop onto the chuck wagon idea for a few years.
I expect at least SOME coverage. I knew from previous reports that tree-cover was an issue. I didn't know ONE tree would blind it.

As far as your "calvery" (sic) comment. SIUYA.....

[Shutterbug]

I expect at least SOME coverage. I knew from previous reports that tree-cover was an issue. I didn't know ONE tree would blind it.

As far as your "calvery" (sic) comment. SIUYA.....

You may have a bad unit because your experience isn't at all like mine. I have had good success with the track feature; although from time to time there are gaps in coverage that I can't explain.

[ChinMusic]

You may have a bad unit because your experience isn't at all like mine. I have had good success with the track feature; although from time to time there are gaps in coverage that I can't explain.

My first attempt was only a 4-mile walk on a bike trail. I will make another attempt just walking in my neighborhood on the sidewalk (nearly NO trees above me) soon.

I have a fly-in backpacking trip near the Jacksina Glacier, Wrangell - St Elias, Alaska scheduled in 10 days. I was HOPING that the folks back home would be able to follow our trip, most of which WILL be above treeline (hence the sidewalk test). I am skeptical that such information will come through.

I still have confidence that the "911" function on the SPOT would work if the feces hits the fan. I have not read where it has failed in THIS function. We will have a satellite phone as our primary emergency communication and view the SPOT as a backup.

[Shutterbug]

My first attempt was only a 4-mile walk on a bike trail. I will make another attempt just walking in my neighborhood on the sidewalk (nearly NO trees above me) soon.

I have a fly-in backpacking trip near the Jacksina Glacier, Wrangell - St Elias, Alaska scheduled in 10 days. I was HOPING that the folks back home would be able to follow our trip, most of which WILL be above treeline (hence the sidewalk test). I am skeptical that such information will come through.

I still have confidence that the "911" function on the SPOT would work if the feces hits the fan. I have not read where it has failed in THIS function. We will have a satellite phone as our primary emergency communication and view the SPOT as a backup.

If you are using the satellite phone, you will find that you have exactly the same problem. There has to be a clear, line of sight connection to the satellite. Sometimes when the satellite isn't directly overhead, you can have a clear sky above and still not make connection.

[ChinMusic]

If you are using the satellite phone, you will find that you have exactly the same problem. There has to be a clear, line of sight connection to the satellite. Sometimes when the satellite isn't directly overhead, you can have a clear sky above and still not make connection.
But, unlike the SPOT, when the SP does not make a connection you KNOW it. The SPOT has no idea whether it's message is going through.

[dla]

My first attempt was only a 4-mile walk on a bike trail. I will make another attempt just walking in my neighborhood on the sidewalk (nearly NO trees above me) soon.

I have a fly-in backpacking trip near the Jacksina Glacier, Wrangell - St Elias, Alaska scheduled in 10 days. I was HOPING that the folks back home would be able to follow our trip, most of which WILL be above treeline (hence the sidewalk test). I am skeptical that such information will come through.

I still have confidence that the "911" function on the SPOT would work if the feces hits the fan. I have not read where it has failed in THIS function. We will have a satellite phone as our primary emergency communication and view the SPOT as a backup.


Swallow your pride and consider that you are screwing up. The single biggest problem with SPOT Gen 1 is that the user interface isn't intuitively obvious and you MUST read the directions.

The following may be of help to you:

https://sites.google.com/site/hobbyhintstricksideas/Home/spot-messenger-information

[ChinMusic]

All directions were followed to the T. It just couldn't send a successful tracking message with minimal tree cover. I did get an OK message from the parking lot. I did get ONE tracking message from my car on the drive home. I just got ZERO tracking messages while actually walking.

[Mango]

Late May or early June a PCT thru named Censored had a problem in the High Sierra and used Spot to get help. A very informative thread on PCT-L resulted, with lots of great info on using Spot to maximum efficiency.

[rp1790]

Late May or early June a PCT thru named Censored had a problem in the High Sierra and used Spot to get help. A very informative thread on PCT-L resulted, with lots of great info on using Spot to maximum efficiency.

Can you give us a link?

I recently bought one of these for use in New Zealand and used it recently on a 4 day hike. Worked a-ok, even under light to medium tree cover. Secret seems to be that you have to leave it for 15-20 minutes after pressing OK.

[dla]

Can you give us a link?

I recently bought one of these for use in New Zealand and used it recently on a 4 day hike. Worked a-ok, even under light to medium tree cover. Secret seems to be that you have to leave it for 15-20 minutes after pressing OK.

Actually you shouldn't turn it off. Each time you turn it off it takes time to reaquire and get fix. Leave it on and it has a continuous fix.

[dla]

All directions were followed to the T..

Did you read the info I gave you? I'm on my second year with SPOT and it works perfect for me. So why does it work for me and not for you?

[ChinMusic]

I read the link AND the owner's manual. There was nothing to change.

I DID get a successful tracking message on my drive to work this morning. I know the thing works as long as there is not a dreaded leaf in the way.

[Mags]

I read the link AND the owner's manual. There was nothing to change.




Looking at the link, any negative review is apparently "lame".

So, unless you are a SPOT cheerleader, you must be lame.;)

[ChinMusic]

Looking at the link, any negative review is apparently "lame".

So, unless you are a SPOT cheerleader, you must be lame.;)
I'm still a supporter of the concept/technology. I still believe that SPOT would work in MOST emergency situations.

What concerns me is the company that makes SPOT has over-promised what their product can do with regards to tracking. This makes me a BIT worried that they may have over-promised on the emergency side too (I don't THINK they did).

The company should have just come out and said something like: "This is a serious product. We have designed it with the primary focus on emergencies. We decided on a weaker GPS system, which makes it nearly useless in the tracking-mode if trees are present, so that the batteries would have a long life. We feel that the need for a longer battery life trumps the need for tracking. This "weaker GPS system" does not have an affect on its emergency use. Any function you get in "tracking" is a bonus."

That kind of honesty would have gone a long way. As it is, you have folks buying it for the cool tracking function only to become frustrated.

The end user (such as myself) has to wonder if they know what is going on.

[partinj]

learn to read a map and compass can save your life just my 2 cent worth

[Mags]

That kind of honesty would have gone a long way. As it is, you have folks buying it for the cool tracking function only to become frustrated.

The end user (such as myself) has to wonder if they know what is going on.


Just as an FYI, I completely agree with you. Great idea; needs some tweaking.

I just it amusing how spot cheerleaders call anything negative "lame" and blame the end user. :) (As an FYI, a poorly designed UI is not a user problem. It is a designers problem. Blaming the end user is a crutch many techie types like to do for a poor UI. I don't know (or care) if SPOT has a poor UI or not. But problems should not happen due to poor UI...esp for an emergency device!)

[dla]

Looking at the link, any negative review is apparently "lame".

So, unless you are a SPOT cheerleader, you must be lame.;)

No, the fact is that there are a lot of just flat stupid reviews. Honestly, some people are just plain stupid. They can't program their vcr, they can't figure out how to put their cell on vibrate, and they can't use SPOT.

Knowing this, SPOT has created their 2nd generation product which has a much improved user interface.

[ChinMusic]

Knowing this, SPOT has created their 2nd generation product which has a much improved user interface.
But, can it see through a leaf?

[dla]

But, can it see through a leaf?

The antennae was redesigned and the unit is supposed to work much better under cover. The folks at SPOT really listened to feedback and the new unit looks really good - in the ads. Won't be available till this fall.

[Mags]

No, the fact is that there are a lot of just flat stupid reviews.

Perhaps. But any negative review seems to be labeled as "stupid", "lame" or obviously the users fault. You said as such to Chin Music.



and the new unit looks really good - in the ads.

I think that has been the problem all along! :D

My Dad is a recently retired sheet metalist. Many times the engineers would come up with something that looked good in the blue prints...not so much in the real world. ;)

Being serious, I am glad it works for you. But to ignore the mixed reviews (some good, some bad, most indifferent) as "lame", or "stupid"..is well.. Lame and stupid. :) The fact that they had to redesign the antenna and come out with a new unit tells me that the initial reviews weren't perhaps so lame or stupid after all.

If they get the bugs out in Gen2, perhaps the SPOT will be a great device. I cautiously look forward to it as something to suggest.

[ChinMusic]

Been using it in the car the past couple days as a practice for the Alaska trip. I think that is a fair simulation for the terrain we will be around. I need to understand the software so I can share my data with family/ friends. So far ALL data/tracking points have been recorded at 10-min intervals. But all those data points have been either on a road or a parking lot....no trees.

I have been successful with the "share page". I just wish I could display the data in a .kml file so Google Earth could pick it up while I am away. I can do that now with the data but I need to be at a computer. I may have to recruit someone at home to handle the .kml files.

Here is the practice "share" showing the few data points: http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0vqMvmfudrt9eU1YVHIlERyYdHCzNKa ki

The format is not as good as .kml where the user can rotate for a landscape view.

[kayak karl]

Been using it in the car the past couple days as a practice for the Alaska trip. I think that is a fair simulation for the terrain we will be around. I need to understand the software so I can share my data with family/ friends. So far ALL data/tracking points have been recorded at 10-min intervals. But all those data points have been either on a road or a parking lot....no trees.

I have been successful with the "share page". I just wish I could display the data in a .kml file so Google Earth could pick it up while I am away. I can do that now with the data but I need to be at a computer. I may have to recruit someone at home to handle the .kml files.

Here is the practice "share" showing the few data points: http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0vqMvmfudrt9eU1YVHIlERyYdHCzNKa ki

The format is not as good as .kml where the user can rotate for a landscape view.
you will need somebody at home to upload the klm files to your computer every 7 days before they disappear. you can upload them to google earth at your leisure or they can for you. this is the map i used this winter (went to 3 pages) http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=258977 even in the winter there are gaps in time and it was mounted on top of my pack. i plan on testing it in Maine in 2 week.
have a great time on your trip:)
KK

[ChinMusic]

you will need somebody at home to upload the klm files to your computer every 7 days before they disappear. you can upload them to google earth at your leisure or they can for you.
Thanks Karl. That was going to be what I did unless there was another way. I'll have a buddy save the .kml files for me.

What is with the 7-day thing with SPOT???? Why does the data only stay on the site for a measly 7 freaking days. It's not like data points take up much space. 7 days is ridiculous. Do they think everyone just does weekend trips?

[dla]

If they get the bugs out in Gen2, perhaps the SPOT will be a great device. I cautiously look forward to it as something to suggest.

Really? Given that zillions of people use the 1st generation successfully and you sit on the sidelines, will you finally jump in with the 2nd generation product? Or will you find a bad review someplace that "convinces" you that SPOT is just a waste of money? I don't care - I don't have any financial motivation. The only reason I comment is to dispel some of the misinformation that might dissuade a novice from picking up a piece of life-saving technology. SPOT is a good product.

[dla]

Thanks Karl. That was going to be what I did unless there was another way. I'll have a buddy save the .kml files for me.

What is with the 7-day thing with SPOT???? Why does the data only stay on the site for a measly 7 freaking days. It's not like data points take up much space. 7 days is ridiculous. Do they think everyone just does weekend trips?

I've used it to link data to my Facebook account. Take a look at Yahoo Fire Eagle. It is described in the SPOT FAQ. You might be able to save data as kml. Fire Eagle is an app that lets another app connect to the SPOT account. I used it to add "tracks" to Facebook.

By the way, your messages are available for 30 days. Change your filter settings on your account message page.

[ChinMusic]

I've used it to link data to my Facebook account. Take a look at Yahoo Fire Eagle. It is described in the SPOT FAQ. You might be able to save data as kml. Fire Eagle is an app that lets another app connect to the SPOT account. I used it to add "tracks" to Facebook.

By the way, your messages are available for 30 days. Change your filter settings on your account message page.
Thanks for the "filter" tip. I went to the "preference" section to look for preferences. I had no idea it would be in "filter". Apparently Karl didn't either. There is no directions for this in the User's Guide.

[Mags]

Really? Given that zillions of people use the 1st generation successfully and you sit on the sidelines, will you finally jump in with the 2nd generation product?

More hyperbole and cheer leading is not convincing me. Sorry, I see mixed reviews and the promise of new and improved products. Call me dubious..

I am just being an educated consumer. If I see mixed reviews from professionals I'm skeptical. I'd quote them..but you dismiss them as "lame" and "stupid". I see a recent review here on this thread and you all but call the guy a moron. At least I am honest enough to admit there are mixed reviews (Some good, some bad, most underwhelmed) without the insults. Can you? :)


You don't need to convince me. You are happy with it..others aren't. Cool. Agreed? Because people don't agree with you, it does not make it "lame" or "stupid". Esp. when people test said products and come up with different results than your own in varied conditions.



(And I won't buy the second generation product..I may perhaps suggest it IF the bugs are worked. Bugs even SPOT admits otherwise a new design would not come out. :) )

I am off to go backpacking for a few days. Feel free to do some slandering..I won't be around to reply. ;)

[Tin Man]

More hyperbole and cheer leading is not convincing me. Sorry, I see mixed reviews and the promise of new and improved products. Call me dubious..

I am just being an educated consumer. If I see mixed reviews from professionals I'm skeptical.

Let's just agree to disagree..aye? You don't need to convince me. You are happy with it..others aren't. Agreed? But please strop the insulting remarks. It ain't helping you. And I feel it is good to throw some cold water on all the cheerleading.

(And I won't buy the second generation product..I may perhaps suggest it IF the bugs are worked. Bugs even SPOT admits. :) )

I am off to go backpacking for a few days. Feel free to do some slandering..I won't be around to reply. ;)

Cheers to your approach and more cheers to a good hike.

i don't care whether it works or not... i don't want to be spotted. every minute seems like someone wants to know where you are... cell phones, email, facebook, twitter, etc. when i go to the mountains, leaving a simple itinerary and call you when i can is way more than enough.

[sheepdog]

Cheers to your approach and more cheers to a good hike.

i don't care whether it works or not... i don't want to be spotted. every minute seems like someone wants to know where you are... cell phones, email, facebook, twitter, etc. when i go to the mountains, leaving a simple itinerary and call you when i can is way more than enough.
Ok, but when you get killed in the wilderness, don't come crying to me.:D

[Tin Man]

Ok, but when you get killed in the wilderness, don't come crying to me.:D

well, i don't hike in the wilderness, i hike on the AT. :D

[dla]

If I see mixed reviews from professionals



I think I've read exactly one review from a professional - and he liked SPOT. I've read a lot of reviews from people who really shouldn't be reviewing because frankly, they're too stupid. And I've seen a lot of "forum experts" who just like to read their own posts.

Your "mixed reviews" is a strawman you put up to justify why you don't own one.

[ChinMusic]

Your "mixed reviews" is a strawman you put up to justify why you don't own one.

lol. Try a dictionary. "mixed reviews" is a fact and FAR from a straw man.

Even YOU admit a new "improved" version is on the way. Get over it. SPOT over promised with version 1. A "tracking" function that is defeated by a couple leaves is a joke. They should at a min allow for free upgrades for those stuck with version 1.

[dla]

lol. Try a dictionary. "mixed reviews" is a fact and FAR from a straw man.

Even YOU admit a new "improved" version is on the way. Get over it. SPOT over promised with version 1. A "tracking" function that is defeated by a couple leaves is a joke. They should at a min allow for free upgrades for those stuck with version 1.

Send it back. Get your money back. You can cancel your service on a pro-rated basis. Let us know when you do it.

[kayak karl]

thanks for the tips. already fixed filter:)

[ChinMusic]

thanks for the tips. already fixed filter:)

You're just another example of the idiot end users that didn't read the directions. Oh wait, you say this wasn't covered? I'm sure it's buried in some FAQ if you dig deep enough.

This is just another example of the poor UI.

[kayak karl]

You're just another example of the idiot end users that didn't read the directions. Oh wait, you say this wasn't covered? I'm sure it's buried in some FAQ if you dig deep enough.

This is just another example of the poor UI.
i know:( why is the default setting 7 days and not 30. when i e-mailed spot they said 7 days was the max. they had no clue. that was a year ago, but still.

[dla]

You're just another example of the idiot end users that didn't read the directions. Oh wait, you say this wasn't covered? I'm sure it's buried in some FAQ if you dig deep enough.

This is just another example of the poor UI.

Have you sent it back and canceled your subscription yet?

If not, why not?

[ChinMusic]

Have you sent it back and canceled your subscription yet?

If not, why not?

If you had bothered to READ instead of spending so much time calling others stupid, you would have noticed that I was gonna give it a try in Alaska.

If it performs there and one other trip (more trees) I will keep it. If not, it goes back.

Got any more "brilliant" retorts?

[Tin Man]

If you had bothered to READ instead of spending so much time calling others stupid, you would have noticed that I was gonna give it a try in Alaska.

If it performs there and one other trip (more trees) I will keep it. If not, it goes back.

Got any more "brilliant" retorts?

i got a retort. why are you bothering arguing with that loser? i will support anyone who wants to use a 'toy' like spot, even him, but his remarks are not worth anyone's time. :)

[ChinMusic]

i got a retort. why are you bothering arguing with that loser? i will support anyone who wants to use a 'toy' like spot, even him, but his remarks are not worth anyone's time. :)

Good point but he did find the "hidden" location for extending the life of data points to 30 days. But I would prefer for the information to be in the directions.

FTR my primary attraction to the SPOT is for it's toyness. I prefer a Sat phone for trips like Alaska. The SPOT was for backup should the Sat phone fail.

[Tin Man]

Good point but he did find the "hidden" location for extending the life of data points to 30 days. But I would prefer for the information to be in the directions.

FTR my primary attraction to the SPOT is for it's toyness. I prefer a Sat phone for trips like Alaska. The SPOT was for backup should the Sat phone fail.

that's what i was thinking too :)

[dla]

If you had bothered to READ instead of spending so much time calling others stupid, you would have noticed that I was gonna give it a try in Alaska.

If it performs there and one other trip (more trees) I will keep it. If not, it goes back.

Got any more "brilliant" retorts?

Yes. Since you are using it, and it's just a "toy" to you. Why do you trust it in Alaska and yet spend your time on this thread pissing&moaning about how bad it is? Confusing..

[ChinMusic]

Yes. Since you are using it, and it's just a "toy" to you. Why do you trust it in Alaska and yet spend your time on this thread pissing&moaning about how bad it is? Confusing..

Only a nutjob would have missed the part about the Sat phone....:rolleyes: