View Full Version : Coffee is good for you....
bigcranky
03-27-2009, 17:40
Another story confirming common sense -- caffeine boosts athletic performance:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/26/health/nutrition/26best.html
That explains why I hike so much better when I get my coffee or my chocolate covered espresso beans.
Footslogger
03-27-2009, 17:42
Coffee makes you poop ...which is a good thang !
'Slogger
Darwin again
03-27-2009, 18:45
It's also a diuretic, which dehydrates you.
Yay, dehydration! :banana
Water is also a diuretic.
I'd rather drink coffee.
It gives me heart palpatations to drink more than a couple of cups and hike the mountains. As much as I luv it, I don't do it till I get to town.
bigcranky
03-27-2009, 19:28
It's also a diuretic, which dehydrates you.
Read the article. Research debunks this.
fiddlehead
03-27-2009, 20:34
Read the article. Research debunks this.
One doctor said that. He also said coffee is heaven.
I think if you ask enough doctors the same question, you can get lots of different answers. (sort of like google sometimes, aye?)
Anyway, back in my ultra-running days, my coach (who used to win 100 mile races) told me to start drinking coke around mile 75 and coffee at mile 90. It would help me finish. But starting early would be worse for me later. I believe that. The body can only be fooled for so long and then it needs rest.
But i do remember a guy who drank 5 cups of coffee at Lake of the Crowds hut back in 91 because he was so worried about climbing Mt. Wash. He beat us all up there that day.
Coffee dont work for me i get 5 miles then its pit stop:banana
I'm not interested in riding a roller coaster and I've recently read coffee is thought to contribute to GERD. I'll take plain water or green tea instead.
I find getting plenty of sleep and staying well hydrated does more for me than coffee.
Darwin again
03-28-2009, 09:50
Read the article. Research debunks this.
And riding horses is the best way to transport people and goods.
Research proves this.
Pretzel logic in the face of facts is awesome stupid stuff.
So...
Next time you go out on a long-distance hike (if you ever do), drink nothing but coffee!
See what happens to you.
Then go out and drink only water.
See what happens to you.
Please report back to this forum.
This begs the question: How many hiking trips have been cut short by poor diet?
Pedaling Fool
03-28-2009, 09:55
And riding horses is the best way to transport people and goods.
Research proves this.
Pretzel logic in the face of facts is awesome stupid stuff.
So...
Next time you go out on a long-distance hike (if you ever do), drink nothing but coffee!
See what happens to you.
Then go out and drink only water.
See what happens to you.
Please report back to this forum.
This begs the question: How many hiking trips have been cut short by poor diet?
You have a problem with reason.
warraghiyagey
03-28-2009, 09:58
You have a problem with reason.
agreed. . .
daddytwosticks
03-28-2009, 14:04
Coffee...just like everything else in life...in moderation, couldn't hurt! :)
YoungMoose
03-28-2009, 15:56
They keep going back and forth years and years. Who cares drink coffee if dont o well
johnnybgood
03-28-2009, 15:57
Coffee...just like everything else in life...in moderation, couldn't hurt! :)
Agree . I like coffee first thing in the morning as a " pick me up " toward starting my day.
For someone like myself who has passed 5 extremely painful kidney stones it is worth mentioning that staying hydrated is my highest concern.
That means drinking water , sports drinks w/o caffeine and Cranberry Juice
...and eat daily recommended servings of fruit including :banana:banana
SGT Rock
03-28-2009, 16:50
Darwin, you are using your own straw dog logic against the research which shows you are wrong. I drink coffee every day even on long hikes. I drink coffee while in the desert. I even drink coffee before I run. I like Ice tea and Coke on hot days.
But a lot of caffeine is also a bad thing. So I don't think I will drink it all day long even if it won't dehydrate me. That much caffeine is a bad thing. Your straw dog.
Caffeine by itself is a diuretic, but the amount it takes out of you per dosage is less than the amount of water you are getting with the cup of coffee. But if you drink a lot of anything, you will pee a lot. Hence people associating dehydration with coffee. If you drank a lot of water and pee a lot, I guess that means water dehydrates you too.
saimyoji
03-28-2009, 19:08
If you drank a lot of water and pee a lot, I guess that means water dehydrates you too.
now thats just crazy talk. :p
If you get dehydrated from the coffee, drink a beer or two, good rehydrater,
just sayin... every hiker should carry a beer or two...
saimyoji
03-28-2009, 19:50
one other thing about artificially sweetened drinks (juices and soda) is that they usually have lots of high fructose corn syrup...which will add to the dehydration thing if you drink alot.
freedompirate01
03-28-2009, 19:55
sorry caffeine is not good for you. lol not at all.
you have to drink something like 3 cups of water to make up for the amount of dehydration from 1 cup of coffee.
warraghiyagey
03-28-2009, 21:53
If you get dehydrated from the coffee, drink a beer or two, good rehydrater,
just sayin... every hiker should carry a beer or two...
Beer makes me pee. . . .
you have to drink something like 3 cups of water to make up for the amount of dehydration from 1 cup of coffee.
Ahmmmmhmmbullshhitmmmahemmmmmhmm . . . .
Beer makes me pee. . . .
That just means you aren't driking enough of it.
Ahmmmmhmmbullshhitmmmahemmmmmhmm . . . .
But he posted it on the internet, it must be true!:banana
Darwin again
03-30-2009, 10:28
Darwin, you are using your own straw dog logic against the research which shows you are wrong. I drink coffee every day even on long hikes. I drink coffee while in the desert. I even drink coffee before I run. I like Ice tea and Coke on hot days.
But a lot of caffeine is also a bad thing. So I don't think I will drink it all day long even if it won't dehydrate me. That much caffeine is a bad thing. Your straw dog.
Caffeine by itself is a diuretic, but the amount it takes out of you per dosage is less than the amount of water you are getting with the cup of coffee. But if you drink a lot of anything, you will pee a lot. Hence people associating dehydration with coffee. If you drank a lot of water and pee a lot, I guess that means water dehydrates you too.
That's not my point at all.
I refute your accusation of straw dogs and demolish it thusly...
With all due respect, compare the success, completion and/or injury rates of hikers who drank plenty of joe on the trail with those who did not.
And Stumpknocker IS NOT a typical case!:rolleyes:
Got more research to cite?
There seems to be evidence that caffeine limits blood flow to the heart during heavy exercise. (http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/880sv/caffeine_limits_blood_flow_to_heart_muscle_during/.mobile)
Link: http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/880sv/caffeine_limits_blood_flow_to_heart_muscle_during/.mobile
But to each his own.
Darwin again
03-30-2009, 10:29
You have a problem with reason.
Not really.
Darwin again
03-30-2009, 10:54
But seriously.
Caffeine is a central nervous system stimulant.
Of course is will amp up physical performance.
But telling folks it's bad for you in the long term, addictive and unwise to drink over the long term is like telling people that contributing to 401k plans for the past 20 years or so was the world's worst idea -- they just go with the cultural norms of the time. Lots of bad things are habituated and fetishized by the merchant class and most all of us buy them lock, stock and barrel, we literally lap them up.
If coffee is so good for you, why doesn't the Army issue canteens full of coffee for long hikes? Hmmmmm.
Cocaine will improve your hiking performance too, I'd bet.
Caffeine is a cornucopia of trouble, having serious side effects of all kinds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine#Overuse). Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine#Overuse
In short, tis more trouble than this dude cares to mess with, no matter how good it feels. From the wiki:
In large amounts, and especially over extended periods of time, caffeine can lead to a condition known as caffeinism.[70] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine#cite_note-69)[71] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine#cite_note-BJoA-70) Caffeinism usually combines caffeine dependency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substance_dependence) with a wide range of unpleasant physical and mental conditions including nervousness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anxiety), irritability (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irritability), anxiety (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anxiety), tremulousness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tremor), muscle twitching (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_twitching) (hyperreflexia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperreflexia)), insomnia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insomnia), headaches (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headaches), respiratory alkalosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respiratory_alkalosis), and heart palpitations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_palpitation).[72] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine#cite_note-COAM-71)[73] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine#cite_note-EofMD-72) Furthermore, because caffeine increases the production of stomach acid, high usage over time can lead to peptic ulcers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peptic_ulcer), erosive esophagitis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esophagitis), and gastroesophageal reflux disease (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastroesophageal_reflux_disease).[74] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine#cite_note-73)
There are four caffeine-induced psychiatric disorders recognized by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagnostic_and_Statistical_Manual_of_Mental_Disord ers), Fourth Edition: caffeine intoxication, caffeine-induced anxiety disorder, caffeine-induced sleep disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine-induced_sleep_disorder), and caffeine-related disorder not otherwise specified (NOS).
So go ahead, have a cup. ;)
Another story confirming common sense -- caffeine boosts athletic performance:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/26/health/nutrition/26best.html
That explains why I hike so much better when I get my coffee or my chocolate covered espresso beans.
I've KNOWN abt it for YEARS!
weeeeeee.
pass the DOUBLE SHOT ESPRESSO!:D
Farr Away
03-30-2009, 11:05
sorry caffeine is not good for you. lol not at all.
you have to drink something like 3 cups of water to make up for the amount of dehydration from 1 cup of coffee.
There was a time in my life (about a year) when coffee is all I drank. So I guess I'm dead of dehydration?!?!
Can somebody let my family know? :rolleyes:
Thanks!
How so? Coffee is 99.99999% water. I don't think there's any evidence for what you say, or there would be a lot of sick people wandering around here in Seattle.;)
you have to drink something like 3 cups of water to make up for the amount of dehydration from 1 cup of coffee.
Another reason why dehydration from coffee makes no sense is that, yes, it makes you pee. If it dehydrated you, it would just go in, not come out, and leave you dry, which is ridiculous. I don't know how some of these old wives (or husband's) tales get started and then get repeated so many times, despite being contrary to everyday experience. :-?
The first thing a doctor will ask you if dehydration is suspected is "when was the last time you peed?" If it was 4 hours ago, or the color is dark, then yes you are dehydrated and need to drink fluids (that are mostly water, which can include a lot of things). If you are peeing clear and copiously, then you obviously are fully hydrated.
Coffee definitely causes a clear, copious reaction in most people, and coaches even recommend drinking coffee at the beginning of endurance events like marathons. Do you think they would recommend drinking coffee if it dehydrated their athletes?
PS no I'm not in the coffee business, except as a major consumer, and no my doctorate is not in medicine. I'm a real doctor, not an MD.
Be careful about equating what may be construed as positive attributes of one ingredient with the entire product that may contain other harmful or unwanted ingredients, side affects, or processing! Caffeine has been shown to have several possible benefits which may include memory enhancement and athletic performance. But, coffee, of which I drink too much of, also contains some very stong acids that have several negative affects on the body. And, that's just the coffee itself. What about what many put into it? - Manmade sugars in the form of those yellow, blue and pink packets, hydrogenated oil in the form of dried non-dairy creamer, hydrogenated oil and corn syrup in the form of the French Vanilla, Irish Cream and Hazlenut creamers, fatty milk with who knows what in it, etc. The other day, while preparing my coffee, I saw two different half n half quart sized creamers on the prep bar. They both said half n half. Read the ingredient label on one and it said milk, cream. That's what I would expect in half n half. But, I picked up the other and it listed 9 different ingredients. Some of which I couldn't pronounce. If you want the benefits of caffeine consider taking a caffeine pill!
Similar marketing ploys are followed with equating possible benefits of ingredients, mostly polyphenols, in grapes with wine. If you want the benefits of what is in the grapes you don't need to drink wine. You can eat grapes or drink grape juice or take grape extracts.
Same thing with what we call chocolate in America. A study is done pointing to possible antioxidant and other benefits with raw cocoa nibs and the candy bar industry says their chocolate bar is healthy for you because their candy bars contain what was examined in the study. This is not the same!
These are all examples in which studies and statistics are used to mislead or misinform the public in order sell you something by making their product seem better than has actually been proven.
Here you go, Today's New York Times:
Personal Best - Caffeine - A Legal Performance Booster - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/26/health/nutrition/26best.html?_r=1)
Note the following statement: “Athletes do not get dehydrated from caffeine,” he added, “contrary to popular myth.”
Here's more good reading about the "dehydration scare" from a top researcher. Seems that people can handle dehydration just fine, it's too much water that can kill us:
Hyponatremia in Distance Athletes (http://www.bushwalking.org.au/FAQ/FAQ_Noakes.htm)
Will Rodgers once said "It isn't what we don't know that gives us trouble, it's what we know that ain't so."
Pedaling Fool
03-31-2009, 18:25
This is probably why I have a tendency to overtrain. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20090331/sc_livescience/coffeelessensthepainofexercise) :D
Don't get it yet? Caffeine is just one of many ingredients/chemicals in coffee. Coffee is not caffeine and caffeine is not coffee. Just like water(H2O) is not whiskey and whiskey is not water. Whiskey just contains water. Consuming a quart of clean spring water will affect someone in a very different way than consuming a quart of whiskey. Water is generally thought of as being necessary to life. I know some will disagree with this statement, but whiskey is not necessary to life. Dehydration occurs when drinking coffee, not just because of caffeine, but because the other chemicals/ingredients(mainly STRONG ACIDS) that are in coffee. It seems that when a discussion over the pros/cons of coffee develops many just bring up the issue of caffeine. Caffeine has been shown in some studies to have benefits for some under some circumstances. BUT, beware of falling into the assumption that just because caffeine may show some benefits that it also applies to coffee in exactly the same way. Now, with all this talk, I'm off to get a cup(8 oz.) of coffee.
Dances with Mice
03-31-2009, 20:05
As someone prone to gout attacks I can say there is strong evidence that coffee is good for me (http://www.webmd.com/news/20070525/coffee-lowers-gout-risk). And more coffee is better.
moonshiner
03-31-2009, 21:00
caffeine is a crutch
moonshiner
03-31-2009, 21:01
...coffee is not 'good' for you
sheepdog
03-31-2009, 21:02
caffeine is a crutch
Maybe, but if ya gotta have a jones, it's pretty harmless
warraghiyagey
03-31-2009, 21:05
Thank goodness. . . another player in the retarded coffee debate. . . . all is well on WB. . .
sheepdog
03-31-2009, 21:09
Thank goodness. . . another player in the retarded coffee debate. . . . all is well on WB. . .
I havnt' read all the posts. Are we in favor of coffee or does we hates it??? I am willing to pitch in and argue either way.
spray my shoes
As I sit here typing, and drinking my third vente(20 oz cup, 60 oz total, or actually 7 1/2 cups today, my typical daily consumption), I decided to nervously and, of course, non-physically or psychologically addicted to coffee(addiction is such a bad word), explore some of the research on coffee that has been offered here. A lot of the studies offered up as proof that coffee is this or that has actually been conducted on caffeine and not coffee. But, again, we are led to believe what may be true about caffeine to also be true of coffee. It's almost as if some would have others believe that the word coffee can be substituted for the word caffeine. It's all the same, right? Wrong. With some further preliminary research I also found out that some of the studies attributing great benefits of caffeine and coffee use is funded by or associated with those who have a hand in the coffee business. In other words, the body of, uh hum, evidence, very unsurprisingly, that tells of the wonders of coffee is not quite as large or as unbiased as we might first be led to believe.
It's also a diuretic, which dehydrates you.
Yay, dehydration! :banana
That's what people used to believe. But then some of those darn scientists that White Blazers like to criticize, did some research and found that it wasn't true.
Weary
charlie2008
03-31-2009, 23:23
Is this for *****ing real? :eek:
sheepdog
04-01-2009, 08:45
That's what people used to believe. But then some of those darn scientists that White Blazers like to criticize, did some research and found that it wasn't true.
Weary
scientists stink ;)
warraghiyagey
04-01-2009, 08:55
Is this for *****ing real? :eek:
Yes. . . . they're really arguing about . . . coffee. . .
Coffee, like most drugs, leads to harder drugs and heroin addiction, read about it on the internet, careful what you ingest.
warraghiyagey
04-01-2009, 08:56
Coffee, the new 'gateway' drug . . . :rolleyes:
greginmi
04-01-2009, 08:57
Coffee, like most drugs, leads to harder drugs and heroin addiction, read about it on the internet, careful what you ingest.
Which leads you to standing up before a judge saying "It all started one day with a latte..." :-?
Dances with Mice
04-01-2009, 09:07
Yes. . . . they're really arguing about . . . coffee. . .Someone needs to plot the number of posts on this thread versus the time of day they were posted. My hypothesis is that there are more posts about coffee in the morning than afternoon.
Of course as background you'd have to gather the times that all posts on W-B are made to normalize the coffee thread post times.
Then we can sort them by pro-coffee vs anti-coffee to see if pro-coffee posts correlate stronger with early morning hours than anti-coffee posts. If so that may be because the anti-coffee posters are having trouble waking up.
sheepdog
04-01-2009, 13:33
Hi my name is Sheepdog and
I'm a coffee aholic
saimyoji
04-01-2009, 15:36
Hi my name is Sheepdog and
I'm a warrgyaholic
well, he finally found a playmate. :p
Coffee, like most drugs, leads to harder drugs and heroin addiction, read about it on the internet, careful what you ingest.
I can't substantiate this, but I heard some comments from former Starbucks managers(store and regional managers) and employess(or associates as employees are called these days, makes employees feel more important so perhaps they will be more productive) that one of Starbucks CEO's goals was to convert former street drug addicts(heroin, cocaine, marijuana) into coffee addicts. Seems to be working!