View Full Version : Bears. Are you worried about them ?
Ramble~On
06-14-2004, 17:19
After reading a bunch of threads I'd just like to ask you.....Are you affraid of Bears ? It seems that there are a good many people who watch too much tv and think that East Coast bears are out to digest them.
Are you worried about bears while on the AT ?
Have you ever had a reason to fear bears while on the AT ?
What's you reason for the worry.
Please keep in mind that I am only asking about the AT...not Montana, Alaska.
littledragon
06-14-2004, 17:45
I just got in from hiking the AT in NJ- we ran into several hikers who told us about an incident in Pa just a few days ago. A women hiker- Lucky Star- was in her bivy when a bear grabbed it and started dragging her. She torn her sleeping bag getting out of it. She yelled, threw what she could find, and fought the bear. It finally backed off. From what we were told by the hiker who talked with her, she was not seriously injured. I don't know how I would react, but I am very wary when hiking. Make noise- talk , sing, whatever. There were 3 of us in NJ for 6 days. We did not encounter a bear on the trail. We did see a mama and 3 babies as we were going into a camping ground at the end of our hiking time.
Be safe out there.
Hammock Hanger
06-14-2004, 19:16
I just got in from hiking the AT in NJ- we ran into several hikers who told us about an incident in Pa just a few days ago. A women hiker- Lucky Star- was in her bivy when a bear grabbed it and started dragging her. She torn her sleeping bag getting out of it. She yelled, threw what she could find, and fought the bear. It finally backed off. From what we were told by the hiker who talked with her, she was not seriously injured. I don't know how I would react, but I am very wary when hiking. Make noise- talk , sing, whatever. There were 3 of us in NJ for 6 days. We did not encounter a bear on the trail. We did see a mama and 3 babies as we were going into a camping ground at the end of our hiking time.
Be safe out there.I heard about the bivy incident... wasn't sure it was true. Even so it is an isolated incident. -- I had many bear spottings and a number of up close encounters, one while I was sleeping in my hammock. No problems a little off key singing couldn't take care of.
When hikers leave trash about, or feed bears it causes them to become nusiance bears. As the bear population and the hiker population grow there will be more and more encounters. Hopefully we will learn to co-habitat with the bears...
BTW: In answer to your question am I afraid of bears, no. But I give them the respect and distance that is appropriate.
Sue/HH
Pencil Pusher
06-14-2004, 20:22
I can't remember, it was 1999 when I was living in Jersey and I think they had just allowed for a bear hunting season. Seems there were quite a few black bears running around, more than one would expect. Are there bear hunting seasons in the other AT states?
I heard about the bivy incident...
But I give them the respect and distance that is appropriate. Sue/HH
Give them distance. Exactly what the woman being dragged off in her bivy was thinking, "MORE DISTANCE. I WANT MORE DISTANCE!" :)
Alligator
06-14-2004, 21:58
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NJ held its first bear hunt in 33 years in Dec. 2003.
I'm not scared of those AT bears, but I know some folks that are. Saw a bear once in a tree while hiking. Figured I had enough time to turn around and scoot. That bear came down the tree like a fireman on a pole and...
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steve hiker
06-14-2004, 23:19
I'm not just worried about bears, I'm scared to death of them. They got these real long claws and big sharp teeth in these powerful jaws that will put a big pair of vice-grips to shame and they can grow over thousand of pounds. And they STALK and ATTACK and EAT HIKERS!
Now I read about this b-b-b-b-bear in NJ that just dragged a woman out her tent and tried to EAT her -- in ways I would never try. It's so bad ordinarily, I go in my tent and crawl in my sleeping bag by sundown cause that's when them bears come out of the shadows. When I'm hanging my food and the forest is getting dark I think I see bears in dark places. Then every noise I hear I'm afraid it might be a bear come around looking for food and MEAT.
And when I read them news stories and books about hikers like this new jersey woman and wildlife biologist minding their own business and a bear jumping on them and eating them one bite at a time I don't know what to do but bury down under the covers. I know more people are killed by spiders but bears get me so nervous and scared.
I just got in from hiking the AT in NJ- we ran into several hikers who told us about an incident in Pa just a few days ago. A women hiker- Lucky Star- was in her bivy when a bear grabbed it and started dragging her. She torn her sleeping bag trying to get out. She yelled, threw what she could find, and fought the bear. It finally backed off.
Pencil Pusher
06-14-2004, 23:26
So who has the avatar Bear Scared? I would guess Lone Wolf, but he typically doesn't get so long-winded in a p-p-p-ost.
steve hiker
06-14-2004, 23:33
:eek: Now they're coming through windows to get us. You can't even drink a cup of coffee anymore.
"Bears can detect sugar that has caramelized in the bottom of a used coffee cup. Something like that probably was what attracted a bear to a home in Orono, where it was interrupted by the homeowner as it tried to scramble through a first-floor window Wednesday night, he said. The bear was scared off, but not before its claws caused minor damage to the siding and the window."
http://www.pressherald.com/news/local/040612bears.shtml
While it's most certainly irrational (as are most fears), I'll be the first to admit that I'm scared to death of bears. The thought of them has made me seriously consider changing my AT section hike to the bear-free Sheltowee Trace trail. I've read all the threads that I can find on AT bears and acknowledge that the risk of death/dismemberment from bear attacks is almost nonexistent, still I can't help thinking (knowing with absolutely certainty) that I'll be bear food. It'll probably happen when I'm in a sleeping bag (a bear tortilla) or I'll trip over a bear cub, thus making dear mom thoroughly enraged, who will then run me down like an Olympic sprinter.
Laugh or call me a total wimp, but I'm planning my Sept. section hike in whatever area is known for the least number of bears. I'm serious.
Alligator
06-15-2004, 11:08
Many people have phobias. If you feel that your fear is irrational and you truly enjoy hiking, it might help to seek a counselor.
Here's a good link to helpful information on bear behavior. The information on predators of black bears was very interesting. (Don't know if this was posted previously.)
Bear.org (http://www.bear.org/Black/Articles/How_Dangerous_are_Black_Bears.html)
same site
Camping with black bears (http://www.bear.org/Black/Articles/How_to_Camp_in_Black_Bear_Country.html)
1997 population numbers by state (same site)
bear populations (http://www.bear.org/Black/Black_Bear_Populations.html)
Be careful Bear Scared, there are pictures of live bears on the site! ;)
Pencil Pusher
06-15-2004, 13:28
...still I can't help thinking (knowing with absolutely certainty) that I'll be bear food.
I'm scared of bears too. There's nothing wrong with being scared, sometimes it's just that which keeps us alive. As for 'absolute certainty', what makes you so certain you will be alive to hike any trail, much less wake up from your sleep tonight? If being afraid of bears puts you off, focus your energies into something else, be it a hobby or sport. There are so many other things to do in life, too bad we can't live longer to enjoy them all.
Two Speed
06-15-2004, 17:33
First, thanks for a great link, Alligator.
Maybe I've been lucky, but my experience is that mice and skunks have been a much bigger pain in the neck than bears. I hang a bear bag most nights, but that's to keep my food from being ransacked by mice more than fear of bears.
smokymtnsteve
06-15-2004, 18:15
My son, SmokymtnRed...who is working in Healy,AK this season..will be climbing Mt. Healy in Denali National Park tomorrow,,,now they got some BEARS to be scared of up there.
Pencil Pusher
06-15-2004, 18:59
http://slackerdom.com/2001/08_alaska/denali/index.html
Hikerhead
06-16-2004, 20:12
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/6589.html
This happened about 30 miles south of Roanoke, Va.
Pencil Pusher
06-16-2004, 20:32
Yeah, that bear seemed like a real imminent threat...
Now if they didn't have any reasonable way to tranquilize it, tough luck for the bear.
Hammock Hanger
06-16-2004, 21:37
Per the article, NO ONE was hurt... That is man's way of thinking. The bear was hurt, he was killed!! And the reported also noted that the only mess to the hospital was the bear's fluid...
If the bear was locked in a room couldn't they have waited for a wildlife officer?
HH :(
lostjohn
06-16-2004, 22:34
Just watched the local news and the wildlife folk are trying to trap a bear tonight about 20 miles North of Charleston, SC. It had tried to go into one ladies house.
These things must be everywhere.
I reckon we will just have to learn to co-exist with them. A forum like this is a great way to get out the information on how to live with them.
Hikerhead
06-16-2004, 23:19
http://www.wsls.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSLS%2FMGArticle%2FSLS_BasicArt icle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031776089495&path=
I hope this link works..........
They did think about darting the bear but thought otherwise being that the bear would likely go off.
With the threat of rabies and a big bear in a hospital with kids and older folks around. I think they did the only thing they could do. Oh, I guess they could have put a leash around it and walked it back outside. :rolleyes:
First reports had this bear weighing between 100 and 200 lbs. Then it was 200 to 300 lbs. And now it weighs around 350lbs. Tomorrow it could be up to 500lbs, hehe....Proves the difficulties with estimating the weight of these animals.
steve hiker
06-17-2004, 00:28
Them bears had enough. They KNOW WHERE WE LIVE and now they're coming after us. No more killing a hiker here and a hunter there up in the mountains, no siree they've figured out where we live and have decided the only way to stop humans aggressoin in their home turf is to STRIKE IN THIERS.
Now I'm really really scared it aint gonna do no good no more to huddle deep down under the covers from a good safe distance cause they're HERE NOW and there aint no distance left, they're coming after us and I just know one of them is coming in my window or gonna twist the lock off the back door tonight THERE'S NO WHERE TO RUN OR HIDE NOW what do we do
Pencil Pusher
06-17-2004, 02:26
I'd suggest you get a bear costume. Make yourself look like a real bear. Then a bear will think you're a good bear and will leave you alone so it can eat the babies and old people. The hospital bear just missed out on his timing with the security guard, had he just been a little earlier, he could've feasted like a king. Now bears all over America are keeping the watches of the hands they've fed on. Being on time is so important nowadays.
On the handling of the bear, well I guess it doesn't much matter now with a dead bear. Still, they had it contained. Police officers carry shotguns and pepper spray so it seems like they had the upper hand with which to wait for the tranquilizer dude. Unless tranquilizer dude was drunk or out of town. Or maybe they just figured since the bear had already been spotted around the town prior to this, it would just be easier to kill the 'problem' bear. Glad to hear no one got hurt in the process.
eldoubleu
06-19-2004, 21:56
According to an article in the Washington Post, the people in the surveilance photo have not yet spotted the bear when the picture was taken. Imagine how close he could have gotten if there were bushes and trees in the hallway.....
Bummer for the bear- he's kinda cute. It does seem in a hospital that they could have found a way to knock 'em out without doing it permanently. I'm sure the authorities on the scene at the time were more concerned about the patients safety (and the hospitals' liability insurance!).
did she have food or toiletries in her bivy?
i saw a bear at culvers gap last week and clapped and yelled and he took off. i had beer and beef jerky on me and he wanted nothing to do with me.
Per the article, NO ONE was hurt... That is man's way of thinking. The bear was hurt, he was killed!! And the reported also noted that the only mess to the hospital was the bear's fluid...
If the bear was locked in a room couldn't they have waited for a wildlife officer?
HH :(
I think people understand that "no one" means people. If a storm blows a tree down on a school bus but "no one is injured", I don't ask "how about the tree?'
The reason we think like people is because we ARE people. Do predators have a right to eat? Sure. Do they have the right to hunt around hospital nurseries? According to the bear, apparently so. According to most people, no.
This bear had become a town bear. Experience has shown that once a bear becomes a town bear, it is very difficult, and sometimes impossible, to keep him in the wilderness. It was time that he went to bear heaven. It's a shame that he had to die, but it was the right thing to do.