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Hiker says she was attacked in lean-to
http://www.boston.com/news/local/vermont/articles/2009/06/01/hiker_says_she_was_attacked_in_lean_to/
Does anyone have any more info on this story?
Hiker says she was attacked in lean-to
http://www.boston.com/news/local/vermont/articles/2009/06/01/hiker_says_she_was_attacked_in_lean_to/
Does anyone have any more info on this story?
"The suspect is described as 5-foot-10, slender with a muscular build, clean shaven and wearing a black hat, black pants and blue raincoat"
a warrant has been issued for Chuck Mangione :p
sorry
Hiker says she was attacked in lean-to
http://www.boston.com/news/local/vermont/articles/2009/06/01/hiker_says_she_was_attacked_in_lean_to/
Does anyone have any more info on this story?
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20090601/NEWS02/90601012
conflicting info, this report says Friday 10pm, the other "early saturday"
saimyoji
06-01-2009, 19:36
shut it down now, save everyone the same ole BS that these threads go through. :rolleyes:
Most people can separate the wheat from the chaff in this kind of thread. IMO.
Its important that this report gets shared with as many people as possible.
The thread should not be shut down, it should be revisited frequently do that hikers who have been in the area or will be headed there can consider the information.
Is it posted on the ATC site yet? It should be. Or perhaps not since Troy is far north of the AT?
TJ aka Teej
06-01-2009, 20:46
Is it posted on the ATC site yet? It should be. Or perhaps not since Troy is far north of the AT?
Troy is near the LT's northern terminus, so the lean-to where the incident took place isn't on the AT/LT shared section.
"The suspect is described as 5-foot-10, slender with a muscular build, clean shaven and wearing a black hat, black pants and blue raincoat"
a warrant has been issued for Chuck Mangione :p
sorry
There is no call for this crap. Lady got assaulted and you want to crack a darn joke about it
I just wish I was there and caught the guy. I know what I'd do to him.
Panzer
Pokey2006
06-02-2009, 01:44
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20090601/NEWS02/90601012
conflicting info, this report says Friday 10pm, the other "early saturday"
"Conflicting info," as you call it, is actually quite common in the early reporting stages of a story, when cops are releasing little to no info. Doesn't have anything to do with anything.
I'd like to hear more about this. Interesting if she was, in fact, able to scare off an attacker by merely saying she had a weapon.
Stick to the topic at hand, and maybe we can all learn something from whatever took place here.
LockJaww
06-02-2009, 10:11
I agree....very tasteless to make light of this..
And yet ANOTHER reason to be armed( doesnt have to be a gun ), willing and able to defend one's self if forced into the situation.....male or female... Scaring somebody off simply by telling them that you have a weapon.......Well she is very lucky that he wasnt a determined attacker.
"The man was scared off when she said she had a weapon"
I Love the Sensationalist Headlining.
Topic: Hiker says she was attacked in lean-to.
Boston.Com: she [said she] was attacked by an unknown male
BurlingtonFreep: Woman allegedly attacked on Long Trail
FreepArticle: looking for a man who allegedly tried to assault a woman
FreepArticle: when a man tried to attack her.
So somebody "tried to attack her." What does that mean? Did he swing at her with a hiker pole? Did he verbally threaten her?
LockJaww
06-02-2009, 10:40
Ya know what?....In Arizona if someone " verbally threatens you "..and you feel that the person doing the threatening means to do you harm.....You can legally use defend yourself....by whatever means necessary....Aint Arizona grand ?
Ya know what?....In Arizona if someone " verbally threatens you "..and you feel that the person doing the threatening means to do you harm.....You can legally use defend yourself....by whatever means necessary....Aint Arizona grand ?
I guess we now know the origin of your trail name. :p
Keep it respectful and on topic, or this gets shut down.
Thank you.
Ya know what?....In Arizona if someone " verbally threatens you "..and you feel that the person doing the threatening means to do you harm.....You can legally use defend yourself....by whatever means necessary....Aint Arizona grand ?
FWIW, you might want to do a google search for "Harold Fish".
Update 6/2/2009: Ben Rose, Executive Director of the Green Mountain Club, reported that a staff member of the GMC had a phone conversation earlier today with the law enforcement officer involved.
He added:
"The alleged incident took place at
Shooting Star. The investigation is ongoing, and there will likely be
more details available next week. It is fair to say, based on the
investigation thus far, that this is believed to be an isolated/confined
incident."
Thanks, GMC, for staying on top of this for all of us.
gravityman
06-02-2009, 13:21
Shooting star is pretty far out in the woods. I'm surprised something happening way out there. I don't think there is any road access within miles of that shelter.
I don't think there is any road access within miles of that shelter.
Conversely, also a good reason to conduct shenanigans.
mister krabs
06-02-2009, 14:40
FWIW, you might want to do a google search for "Harold Fish".
Wow, thanks for that, what a tragic story.
The suspect is described as 5-foot-10, slender with a muscular build, clean shaven and wearing a black hat, black pants and blue raincoat" You can tell from the description he wasn't a hiker were all smelly, ruff, and in shorts
JuiceBox
06-02-2009, 14:50
FWIW, you might want to do a google search for "Harold Fish".
Unbelievable. This country is ridiculous.
Buzz_Lightfoot
06-02-2009, 17:37
Unbelievable. This country is ridiculous.
I have to agree. It's a crying shame that you are almost better off letting yourself get killed that to deal with the consequences of defending yourself against an attack.
I feel most people are decent, The key word is "most". I feel for the poor woman who had to exoperience the exception. Hopefully the emotional scars will not ruin her for life!
LockJaww
06-02-2009, 18:38
I remember the Harold Fish case very well. Arizona law was changed due in big part because of the public outrage over this case .
Hikerhead
06-02-2009, 18:42
It might help narrow down the search if we knew if he was black, white, Asian, yellow, green or polka dot.
wrongway_08
06-02-2009, 18:43
Unbelievable. This country is ridiculous.
You just now relize this??
Jester2000
06-02-2009, 18:52
And yet ANOTHER reason to be armed (doesnt have to be a gun) . . .
In this case it sounds like she was armed, with one of the most powerful weapons known to man -- a woman's brain.
Mrs Baggins
06-02-2009, 19:18
Okay, I'll try this again without mentioning a name that apparently gets your posts instantly purged.
There is a well-known AT persona that has said that women lie about assaults and being stalked in order "to sell books." He absolutely believed it never happens, women always lie about it, and in any case women just didn't belong on the trail. He even eliminated a womans forum on a previously popular website. I know women who have been stalked and we all know of true cases of assaults, some of them fatal.
Now, are you going to banish me again? For being honest?
Okay, I'll try this again without mentioning a name that apparently gets your posts instantly purged.
There is a well-known AT persona that has said that women lie about assaults and being stalked in order "to sell books." He absolutely believed it never happens, women always lie about it, and in any case women just didn't belong on the trail. He even eliminated a womans forum on a previously popular website. I know women who have been stalked and we all know of true cases of assaults, some of them fatal.
Now, are you going to banish me again? For being honest?
http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-fc/wtg.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
there are many who don't like the person in which you are implying my self included, but what does your post really have to do w/ this thread.... it almost sounds like you are trying to implicate him....
if ya can't say something nice... hint hint
http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-signs103.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)
there are many who don't like the person in which you are implying my self included, but what does your post really have to do w/ this thread.... it almost sounds like you are trying to implicate him....
if ya can't say something nice... hint hint
woops wrong smiley
It might help narrow down the search if we knew if he was black, white, Asian, yellow, green or polka dot.
Um, its Vermont.
Take a guess.
Just a Hiker
06-02-2009, 20:36
Um, its Vermont.
Take a guess.
Good point.....Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine aren't exactly culturally diverse....
Okay, I'll try this again without mentioning a name that apparently gets your posts instantly purged.
There is a well-known AT persona that has said that women lie about assaults and being stalked in order "to sell books." He absolutely believed it never happens, women always lie about it, and in any case women just didn't belong on the trail. He even eliminated a womans forum on a previously popular website. I know women who have been stalked and we all know of true cases of assaults, some of them fatal.
Now, are you going to banish me again? For being honest?
why you always getting short with "personas" ??
Okay, I'll try this again without mentioning a name that apparently gets your posts instantly purged.
There is a well-known......
Whatever your issues with that certain someone (who has nothing to do with the Long Trail), please knock it off.
Hikerhead
06-02-2009, 21:39
Um, its Vermont.
Take a guess.
I see your point but then why not just say the offender was white and take the guess work out of it.
johnnybgood
06-02-2009, 21:53
Keep it respectful and on topic, or this gets shut down.
Thank you.
For the sake of the female hiker attacked , lets keep this thread open so more details can be shared with all WB members.
Wise Old Owl
06-02-2009, 21:55
In this case it sounds like she was armed, with one of the most powerful weapons known to man -- a woman's brain.
You know Jester, That is a great post!
Wolf - 23000
06-03-2009, 04:10
Hopefully they will catch this guy. No one should every have to worry if they are going to be attacked by some idiot on the trail. With that said, I wouldn't count on everything being put out as completely accurate. Don't get me wrong, I not saying or suggesting she made anything up. From my own experience night hiking, at 10:00 pm night time it is extremely hard to see the actuate colors in the dark unless you have a very good light. I can't see her having one on while is she was sleeping.His light would be on as he is running away from her (thank heaven).
I just hope they catch this guy before he does anything like this again.
Wolf
There's a lot we don't know about this incident, including whether the attempted attack was sexual, or for money/food/whatever.
This thread has degenerated into a disgrace to Whiteblaze. What started out as a serious post of news of a fellow hiker reporting an assault on the trail (with an update) has now degraded into an endless series of "clever" comebacks and juvenile one-upmanships and one-liners.
Come on folks, is this really necessary?
If I knew how to cancel this thread I would.
Wolf - 23000
06-03-2009, 13:18
This thread has degenerated into a disgrace to Whiteblaze. What started out as a serious post of news of a fellow hiker reporting an assault on the trail (with an update) has now degraded into an endless series of "clever" comebacks and juvenile one-upmanships and one-liners.
Come on folks, is this really necessary?
If I knew how to cancel this thread I would.
Rough,
WELL PUT!!! I don't know who this person is but the key word is she is a PERSON. She was attacked by some SOB that needs a serious teaching in respect for others, among other things.
As bad as her attacker is, some of the people posting here on this thread are not much better. This was an attack on another person, and yet people make jokes about it??? What happens if this individual is a member here at Whiteblaze? Does anyone think she would like reading this crap? Or what about her attacker? What would he think if he read that hikers here just make jokes about attacking another person. I hope some people think about what they are saying.
Wolf
Alligator
06-03-2009, 13:22
In reference to the deleted posts, please refrain from junking up threads concerning public safety. There was a possible assault reported.
RedneckRye
06-03-2009, 13:39
Hiker says she was attacked in lean-to
http://www.boston.com/news/local/vermont/articles/2009/06/01/hiker_says_she_was_attacked_in_lean_to/
Does anyone have any more info on this story?
So, two days later.
Is there any more info on this story?
Gray Blazer
06-03-2009, 14:04
In reference to the deleted posts, please refrain from junking up threads concerning public safety. There was a possible assault reported. That's what I thought at first. Thanks for fixing it up.
Chaco Taco
06-03-2009, 20:08
So ill try it again, i know how it is being assaulted on a hike, I hope she is ok. I know it sucks but must suck more so for a woman. :mad:
Wolf - 23000
06-05-2009, 04:19
So ill try it again, i know how it is being assaulted on a hike, I hope she is ok. I know it sucks but must suck more so for a woman. :mad:
I think it would suck either way equally female or male. I just hope they catch the SOB.
Wolf
Chaco Taco
06-05-2009, 13:09
I think it would suck either way equally female or male. I just hope they catch the SOB.
Wolf
I agree no one should have to go through it, and thats coming from someone that has had something like this happen to them. It is not fun and it really messes with your head.
NorthCountryWoods
06-05-2009, 20:12
I didn't hear anything about this on the local news. Weird.
Have to say in the short hiking season this year, my wife and I have run into several "non hikers" far off the beaten path. Ran into one gentleman on in Hazens notch that was dragging a rusty bicycle up the trail. :confused:
Spoke with a Border patrol agent that lives in North Troy and he said the drug & human trafficking is off the charts the past couple months. He recommended being escorted or armed when working (I'm an appraiser) in vacant areas close to the border. Camps and vacant homes have been broken into and used as stopovers for traffickers.
Lone Wolf
06-05-2009, 20:20
Spoke with a Border patrol agent that lives in North Troy and he said the drug & human trafficking is off the charts the past couple months. He recommended being escorted or armed when working (I'm an appraiser) in vacant areas close to the border. Camps and vacant homes have been broken into and used as stopovers for traffickers.
cool! i'm gonna move back to Jay where i can pack permitless and take out some garbage
warraghiyagey
06-05-2009, 20:38
cool! i'm gonna move back to Jay where i can pack permitless and take out some garbage
COOL!! Can we camp in your backyard?!?!?! :):p:banana
So far all we know about this incident after 4 or 5 days is that someone reported an undefined "assault," according to a three paragraph Associated Press on a local station.
A local newspaper adds a fourth AP paragraph, saying a warrant has been issued for someone that apparently no one on White Blaze seems to know.
Having earned my living in the news business for nearly 40 years, I can think of a hundred scenarios that suggest this may be a false alarm. Only one or two that suggests this is a significant trail happening.
I also know from those decades of experience that if a reporter assumes the obvious answer is the true answer, it almost always turns out to be wrong. This insight produced some of my greatest stories.
However, i see little evidence that the speculations on White Blaze about this incident reflect what may have happened.
Weary
However, i see little evidence that the speculations on White Blaze about this incident reflect what may have happened.
Weary
then what do they reflect, pray tell? http://www.clipartof.com/images/thumbnail/2223.gif
Wise Old Owl
06-05-2009, 22:01
Although a devastating story for the AT and the community at large, Weary has a true insight to wait and see the outcome, lets all try to show some patience before we say things we regret. My heart goes out to the person who was assaulted, she showed an inspiration to stop things before they went truly bad for her.
TJ aka Teej
06-05-2009, 22:57
i see little evidence that the speculations on White Blaze about this incident reflect what may have happened.
Weary
Thanks for adding your speculations, Weary.
Feral Bill
06-06-2009, 00:37
Let's try these possibilities, knowing a person reported an assault:
1. A dangerous assailent was run off by the threat of a weapon.
2. A pushy but perhaps harmless person was similarly run off.
3. The victim totally misunderstood the alleged assailents innocent intentions. (as in"can I sleep here too?")
4. Nothing at all happened, except for a false police report.
We have no idea whatever what actually transpired.
Can we drop this now until there is actual information?
Rough,
WELL PUT!!! I don't know who this person is but the key word is she is a PERSON. She was attacked by some SOB that needs a serious teaching in respect for others, among other things.
As bad as her attacker is, some of the people posting here on this thread are not much better. This was an attack on another person, and yet people make jokes about it??? What happens if this individual is a member here at Whiteblaze? Does anyone think she would like reading this crap? Or what about her attacker? What would he think if he read that hikers here just make jokes about attacking another person. I hope some people think about what they are saying.
Wolf
The girl did not get attacked and did not report an alleged attack. This incident could be nothing more than a misunderstanding by a silly girl who thought she should have the shelter to herself.
The lack of reading comprehension and ability to navigate through a thread has caused some posters to unfairly attack other posters and make some nasty comments about them.
Ya know what?....In Arizona if someone " verbally threatens you "..and you feel that the person doing the threatening means to do you harm.....You can legally use defend yourself....by whatever means necessary....Aint Arizona grand ?
Florida requires even less, a verbal threat isn't even required. You just have to feel threatened.
joehiker22
06-06-2009, 16:02
False alarm?
Maybe a hiker wanted to draw extra attention to their hike?
This whole story seems fishy.
Wolf - 23000
06-07-2009, 06:55
The girl did not get attacked and did not report an alleged attack. This incident could be nothing more than a misunderstanding by a silly girl who thought she should have the shelter to herself.
The lack of reading comprehension and ability to navigate through a thread has caused some posters to unfairly attack other posters and make some nasty comments about them.
TD55,
Rough gave a source of an article that reported a woman was attacked. There is also another source that such an attack was reported also:
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20090601/NEWS02/90601012
Could you please include your source that such an attack did not happen and in fact this was the working of some silly girl? If you are going to make a statement that this “girl did not get attacked” or “report an alleged attack” despite two sources it was report, I like to know were you are getting your information and know your not talking out your @ss.
Did this attack happen? I don't know. I'm half way around the world. I wasn't there to see if it did or did not happen. If you know something, I suggest you talk with the VT police. What I do know is I have no reason to disbelieve her. I'm sad to say this but to many such attacks happen that are not reported because the victim believes no one will believe them.
As for my previous comments, I reframe from my full responds out of respect for Alligator and the work he did deleting some people posting.
Wolf
The news report says the woman was sleeping and a man "tried" to attack her. She prevented an attack by saying she had a weapon. The article is poorly written. The title says the woman was attacked and the story says she prevented the attack from taking place. I never said that in fact this was just a report of a silly girl. I said it COULD BE a miskunderstanding.
You sir and some others seem to have to attack other posters with misreprsentations and slander who you disagree with. Your latest post confirms my comments about the lack of reading comprehension.
The girl did not get attacked and did not report an alleged attack. Where are you getting this information? Do you have a link?
Where are you getting this information? Do you have a link?
I am reading the same reports as everyone else, the ones that are posted in this thread. I see a sensational article about an incident where a girl claims that an assault was attempted and the writer(s) of the articles have decideded to call that an "attack" rather than an "incident". If you can clearify what an "attempted assault" is it would be helpful. As it stands at this time, there is no information or even allegation that this person was touched or in any way harmed.
I find it silly and sad when men have to stand up and publicly declare that they will stand up and protect womenhood and how nobody better do anything bad when they are around because they will kick-butt, blah, blah, blah. Like all the rest of us don't have daughters and sisters and wives and mothers and we need a lecture on how to protect them.
Some may read about the danger a lone woman may face from this story, some may read about the danger a lone man may face.
Feral Bill
06-07-2009, 11:26
I find it silly and sad when men have to stand up and publicly declare that they will stand up and protect womenhood and how nobody better do anything bad when they are around because they will kick-butt, blah, blah, blah. Like all the rest of us don't have daughters and sisters and wives and mothers and we need a lecture on how to protect them.
Its easy to be a tough guy online.
Rockhound
06-07-2009, 11:57
Florida requires even less, a verbal threat isn't even required. You just have to feel threatened.
A little ambiguous, no? Paranoid people feel threatened all the time. Does this give them the right to go around attacking complete strangers? "Well officer, this girl came to my door dressed in some type of militant uniform. She reached for something I thought was a gun. I felt threatened so I beat her up. I had no idea she was reaching for a box of thin mint cookies."
I'm sad to say this but to many such attacks happen that are not reported because the victim believes no one will believe them.
Wolf[/quote]
Where does this information come from? Can you provide a link. In the process of blasting others for thier post and opinions and your self rightous grandstand, you throw this little ditty into the mix. Maybe some of the female posters here can back you up and confirm that many attacks of females occur while hiking the AT or LT. If not, what you have to say is just alot of crap.
Nearly Normal
06-07-2009, 15:56
Lame thread.
I am reading the same reports as everyone else, the ones that are posted in this thread. I see a sensational article about an incident where a girl claims that an assault was attempted and the writer(s) of the articles have decideded to call that an "attack" rather than an "incident". If you can clearify what an "attempted assault" is it would be helpful. As it stands at this time, there is no information or even allegation that this person was touched or in any way harmed.Just because you don't know and can't imagine what an attempted crime is (attempted assault, attempted robbery, attempted rape, attempted anything) does not mean it doesn't exist. If you feel comfortable saying this:
The girl did not get attacked and did not report an alleged attack.
based on the articles, your reading comprehension needs as much work as your compassion.
In the beginning of this thread (now deleted), someone posted something about some guy not believing that such assaults ever happen and I rolled my eyes. I guess I'll apologize to that person now.
Snowleopard
06-07-2009, 17:17
... the writer(s) of the articles have decideded to call that an "attack" rather than an "incident". If you can clearify what an "attempted assault" is it would be helpful. As it stands at this time, there is no information or even allegation that this person was touched or in any way harmed. ...
The articles are somewhat ambiguous, but the law is not. My interpretation of both articles is that the victim alleged that an assault occurred. It is not clear from the articles whether battery or a sexual assault was alleged.
Assault:
A crime (http://www.nolo.com/definition.cfm/term/D82E9E8C-BB95-4F9A-97E134E302E0D7C2) that occurs when one person tries to physically harm another in a way that makes the person under attack feel immediately threatened. Actual physical contact is not necessary; threatening gestures that would alarm any reasonable person can constitute an assault. http://www.nolo.com/definition.cfm/term/22542b6f-fedb-450a-889a82a49ea50ceb/alpha/a/
Assault is often confused with Battery:
A crime (http://www.nolo.com/definition.cfm/term/D82E9E8C-BB95-4F9A-97E134E302E0D7C2) consisting of physical contact that is intended to harm someone. Unintentional harmful contact is not battery, no mater how careless the behavior or how severe the injury. A fist fight is a common battery; being hit by a wild pitch in a baseball game is not.
http://www.nolo.com/definition.cfm/Term/17A1E180-3796-4CCB-8E65996C566DDC20/alpha/B/
These definitions match what I recall of Mass. law, but I am not a lawyer.
Pokey2006
06-07-2009, 17:49
An assault IS an attack. The words are interchangeable.
I don't see anything sensational about the article, nor do I see any evidence of a writer beefing anything up. If anything, we should blame the authorities for not releasing enough info on what has happened.
But to conclude from this that nothing happened at all??? You're just being ridiculous.
I am reading the same reports as everyone else, the ones that are posted in this thread. I see a sensational article about an incident where a girl claims that an assault was attempted and the writer(s) of the articles have decideded to call that an "attack" rather than an "incident". If you can clearify what an "attempted assault" is it would be helpful. As it stands at this time, there is no information or even allegation that this person was touched or in any way harmed.
I find it silly and sad when men have to stand up and publicly declare that they will stand up and protect womenhood and how nobody better do anything bad when they are around because they will kick-butt, blah, blah, blah. Like all the rest of us don't have daughters and sisters and wives and mothers and we need a lecture on how to protect them.
Some may read about the danger a lone woman may face from this story, some may read about the danger a lone man may face.
A little ambiguous, no? Paranoid people feel threatened all the time. Does this give them the right to go around attacking complete strangers? "Well officer, this girl came to my door dressed in some type of militant uniform. She reached for something I thought was a gun. I felt threatened so I beat her up. I had no idea she was reaching for a box of thin mint cookies."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/26/national/main691124.shtml
You can meet "force with deadly force", but "force" is vague, "deadly force" isn't
saimyoji
06-07-2009, 21:37
shut it down now, save everyone the same ole BS that these threads go through. :rolleyes:
hows about all of you
SHUT THE **** UP
unless you have something factual to add? :rolleyes:
hows about all of you
SHUT THE **** UP
unless you have something factual to add? :rolleyes:
how can there be facts in a he said / she said situation? :confused:
Feral Bill
06-07-2009, 23:13
An assault IS an attack. The words are interchangeable.
I don't see anything sensational about the article, nor do I see any evidence of a writer beefing anything up. If anything, we should blame the authorities for not releasing enough info on what has happened.
But to conclude from this that nothing happened at all??? You're just being ridiculous.
To conclude that nothing at all may have happened is perfectly reasonable. To repeat: We have no idea what, if anything happened.
Pokey2006
06-07-2009, 23:27
To conclude that nothing at all may have happened is perfectly reasonable. To repeat: We have no idea what, if anything happened.
You're right -- we can't conclude that something DID happen. But at the same time, we cannot conclude that something DIDN'T happen, either. Either statement would be false.
This has run its course. Goodnite Irene.