View Full Version : New Tarptent: this is the Moment
Solo shelter, 28 oz including pole and two stakes.
Can be freestanding with optional longitudinal pole, 7oz.
18' sq, 6.6' vestibule, 84" long ,40" high.
5' high bathtub floor , can be raised or lowered depending on preference an weather conditions.
There is a mesh guard at the end so that your bag will not touch the wall.
Two top vents. Should be really easy to set up, only two pegs required.
Franco
http://www.tarptent.com/new.html (http://www.tarptent.com/new.html)
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e389/Francophoto/Moment.jpg
Jonnycat
07-17-2009, 12:29
Wow, Henry outdid himself on this one. Great looking design, looks like a nice hybrid with the additional pole.
Wonder what the price is gonna be.
jamarshall
07-17-2009, 14:58
Tarptent site says $215.
Jeez, I just bought the contrail, and now he comes out with a new one!
Very nice.
That looks great. Looking forward to the reviews.
Homer&Marje
07-17-2009, 18:36
Silly question 1 and 2 person available?
bigcranky
07-17-2009, 18:50
The Scarp 2 (http://www.tarptent.com/scarp2.html) is a two person tent of a similar design.
One person only. The Double Rainbow is the closest to this if weight is considered, or indeed the Scarp 2 (double wall) if you like the cross hoop pole.
This is the cutaway of it, might give a better idea of it's size.
The white rectangle is a 20"x72" mat. See
http://www.tarptent.com/moment_2.html (http://www.tarptent.com/moment_2.html)
for more details
Franco
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e389/Francophoto/Momentcutaway.jpg
Can it go all the way down to the ground and it's just not tightened down in the photo or does it not go all the way to the ground?
Blissful
07-17-2009, 20:13
Looks good. Nice to have it freestanding too.
Cassie
No, the fly does not go all the way to the ground, in fact it is designed to easily slide up for more ventilation or side view.... The main problem people have with tents of this type where the fly hugs the ground is condensation. As much as many love their Terra Nova Photon/Laser, the Akto and the like, others have reported excessive condensation to the point of having to sell the tent. It all has to do with how you prefer it, more "protection" or more "ventilation".
Here at WB some rave about tarps ( a lot more exposed than a Tarptent...) others find the gap around a TT unacceptable. It's personal choice.
Franco
At 35oz It has my attention, I hope the reviews are as good as it looks. I've been considering the Rainbow but now I'll wait a bit longer to see what shakes out.
mark schofield
07-18-2009, 06:44
I love my Contrail, but free standing would be nice for tent platforms.
I like it,looks like a great design.
interesting little debate going on over at BPL about this vs msr's carbon reflex for those interested
Solo shelter, 28 oz including pole and two stakes.
Can be freestanding with optional longitudinal pole, 7oz.
18' sq, 6.6' vestibule, 84" long ,40" high.
5' high bathtub floor , can be raised or lowered depending on preference an weather conditions.
There is a mesh guard at the end so that your bag will not touch the wall.
Two top vents. Should be really easy to set up, only two pegs required.
Franco
http://www.tarptent.com/new.html (http://www.tarptent.com/new.html)
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e389/Francophoto/Moment.jpg
Just another short tent on the market.:o
Good discussion here
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=22575
Just another short tent on the market.:o
:):) Hehe...I'm 6'5" so I'm not rushing after this one. It MIGHT fit, but strikes me as tight.
I have a large neoair (77"x25") and I don't think it would fit comfortably inside the Moment with the smaller ends. It works great in my TT Contrail, however!
mateozzz
07-23-2009, 20:59
I've always wondered about the tarp tents, is it completely enclosed, meaning the netting is fully attached to the body there is no open air gap between the inside and the outside? Some of the pics on the other tarp tents made it look like the tarp really wasn't attached to the floor and the netting was just on one side.
I've always wondered about the tarp tents, is it completely enclosed, meaning the netting is fully attached to the body there is no open air gap between the inside and the outside? Some of the pics on the other tarp tents made it look like the tarp really wasn't attached to the floor and the netting was just on one side.
For the Henry Shires Tarptents, the netting is sewed to the sylnylon outer. Once you're in and zipped up, you're "fully enclosed" and as bug proof as any tent ever is.
I love my Contrail, but free standing would be nice for tent platforms.
You must be referring to something else. This tent's not freestanding (in fact, in a good wind, nothing is - not well, anyway). The need to use only two stakes would make it easy to tie extra line to either end and around a handy tree when using tent platforms such as I use in the White Mts.
Fwiw, I used my Akto last weekend in torrential all night rains in Vermont, left the bottom half of the door open, the end fly vents open, and the brow vent open and experienced surprisingly little condensation - that usually happens when it's quite a bit cooler than the 50 degrees I had.
From the TT website:
"Sets up with single arch pole and 2 stakes in under 1 minute.
Free-standing with optional crossing pole".
84 tent,is a 90 out of the question?
Looks like the Rainbow has more room for just a little more weight.
FamilyGuy
07-25-2009, 12:15
Looks like the Rainbow has more room for just a little more weight.
Yes it does. However, the Moment has a larger vestibule, can be set up quicker, and will be more wind worthy. That single hoop design perpendicular to the main body has proven to be one of the best wind designs in production - i.e. Hilleberg Akto, Scarp, Terra Nova versions, etc.
It is not always just about weight....or is it?;)
Powder River
08-01-2009, 21:45
The Moment. The One. What's next? How will Six Moon Designs ever top this?
84 tent,is a 90 out of the question?
I agree. 84" is just too short for taller folk.
I'm sure this shelter will sell extremely well, but most dudes will find it too small after delivery.
It looks like a great design, but I'd be more interested if it were 90" long.
I agree. 84" is just too short for taller folk.
I'm sure this shelter will sell extremely well, but most dudes will find it too small after delivery.
It looks like a great design, but I'd be more interested if it were 90" long.
This is most definitely NOT the case. Our 6'3" employee fits without an issue. The Moment, like all our other shelters, handles a "long" sleeping bag without running into an end wall. The end-to-end interior length of the Moment is 110". The 84" floor ends terminate well short of the actual canopy ends and the floor length is easily equivalent to a 90" or greater floor length on other tents with inwardly sloping walls.
Floor specs lie on tents with inwardly sloping walls and what matters is USABLE floor length. The entire floor length of the Moment is usable.
-H
This is most definitely NOT the case. Our 6'3" employee fits without an issue. The Moment, like all our other shelters, handles a "long" sleeping bag without running into an end wall. The end-to-end interior length of the Moment is 110". The 84" floor ends terminate well short of the actual canopy ends and the floor length is easily equivalent to a 90" or greater floor length on other tents with inwardly sloping walls.
Floor specs lie on tents with inwardly sloping walls and what matters is USABLE floor length. The entire floor length of the Moment is usable.
-H
Thanks for clearing up my preconceived notions Henry.:o I am 6'3" as well and was concerned that a long down bag may come in contact with the foot end.
It is a beautiful design and one that I am now very interested in.
bigcranky
08-02-2009, 11:12
I've always wondered about the tarp tents, is it completely enclosed, meaning the netting is fully attached to the body there is no open air gap between the inside and the outside? Some of the pics on the other tarp tents made it look like the tarp really wasn't attached to the floor and the netting was just on one side.
You have basically defined the "tarp tent" concept.
In a standard single wall tarptent, the main walls do NOT connect to the floor. This is the "tarp" part of tarptent. There is an open air gap between the floor and the walls -- crucially important for air flow, ventilation, and views (while lying down.)
However, most tarptent deigns have bug netting that attaches to the side walls and the floor, making them fully bug proof when closed up (the "tent" part of tarptent.)
So yes, the tarptent is fully enclosed, and yes, the tarp isn't attached to the floor -- the bug netting is.
The advantage to this design is more ventilation. The disadvantage to this design is more ventilation -- it can be colder and windier in winter. Some of the newer models like the Scarp offer more stormworthiness. (Not sure about the Moment - I haven't seen one in person.)
Doesn't seem like a tall person's tent, but not everyone is a giraffe, like me.
I like Henry's tent designs, but this is another example of how designers keep shaving wt. by shortening the length.
No it's not all about wt. at least for this ULer.
Doesn't seem like a tall person's tent, but not everyone is a giraffe, like me.
I like Henry's tent designs, but this is another example of how designers keep shaving wt. by shortening the length.
No it's not all about wt. at least for this ULer.
You are correct that is is not a really tall person's shelter but it's a headroom constraint (@ 40" peak height), not a floor length constraint. The Moment is not short. The floor length is the same as the Contrail, Squall 2, Cloudburst 2, and Rainshadow 2--nobody complains about length in those shelters--and there is far more clearance between the end of the floor and the end of the canopy than any other shelter we make. Unless you are pushing 7', you will not run out of length. Where we do save weight is in peak height and by narrowing the ends.
There are some diagrams posted here that should clear up any misconceptions about length and interior space:
http://www.tarptent.com/moment_2.html
-H
The tub floor is still only 84.That is still short for a belly sleeper at 6'....that puts his hands above his head,and dont FEEL NET .I want top to bottom room.And also 20''.:-?
The tub floor is still only 84.That is still short for a belly sleeper at 6'....that puts his hands above his head,and dont FEEL NET .I want top to bottom room.And also 20''.:-?
Seems as though you should design your own tent, or use a hammock.
brooklynkayak
08-03-2009, 10:30
It all has to do with how you prefer it, more "protection" or more "ventilation".
Here at WB some rave about tarps ( a lot more exposed than a Tarptent...) others find the gap around a TT unacceptable. It's personal choice.
Franco
For me, the big advantage with using a tarp, especially a tipi-tarp is having more options than a tent or tarptent.
Tarps don't have to suffer from being drafty or not having enough ventilation or condensation. Those are options that the owner has.
If it is a muggy warm day, pitch the tarp in an open fashion with tons of ventilation,
If it should turn into a gale in the middle of the night, change the configuration.
If you are afraid of condensation, pitch in a way that the water runs down the wall to the ground.
A tarp can be a bomb proof 4 season alpine tent or it can be a beach cabana.
Tents have far less flexibility.
Check out some pitch examples of an interesting tarp design:
http://www.mountainlaureldesigns.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=102&osCsid=870c75698d
Big Dawg
08-03-2009, 14:23
Henry, will a 25" x 77" pad fit in this tent?
BOWSINGER
08-03-2009, 15:05
[quote=brooklynkayak;875772]For me, the big advantage with using a tarp, especially a tipi-tarp is having more options than a tent or tarptent.
What is a tipi-tarp?
GeneralLee10
08-03-2009, 15:35
What is a tipi-tarp?[/quote]
I would have to guess it is a tarp that one could use as tipi with a combo of hiking poles and tie outs.
Henry, will a 25" x 77" pad fit in this tent?
The answer is "sort of." Here's a diagram showing standard long and extra wide/long pads inside the Moment. The Moment has 5" bathtub walls so technically an extra wide/long pad does fit inside the floor wall if it will bend/roll up a bit at the corners. The floor ends on the Moment are held pretty firmly in the vertical plane by vertical mesh walls that connect to the canopy.
-H
http://www.tarptent.com/photos/moment_pads.jpg
Big Dawg
08-03-2009, 18:53
Thanks Henry... I have a prolite 4 long... so the pad isn't actually a true rectangle anyway, so probably would fit... barely, w/o going up the sides. Nice design, btw!
brooklynkayak
08-03-2009, 23:00
[quote=brooklynkayak;875772]For me, the big advantage with using a tarp, especially a tipi-tarp is having more options than a tent or tarptent.
What is a tipi-tarp?
What I'm referring to are tarps that are based on tipis, pyramids, umbrella, ... designs:
Examples:
http://www.owareusa.com/tents.html
http://www.golite.com/Product/proddetail.aspx?p=SH6119&s=1
http://www.mountainlaureldesigns.com (http://www.mountainlaureldesigns.com/)
And many others.
Seems as though you should design your own tent, or use a hammock.
SMD will have me covered for that.Belly sleeper so no hammock,but i could save some oz on a underfill MB bag.
spirit4earth
08-10-2009, 15:50
The answer is "sort of." Here's a diagram showing standard long and extra wide/long pads inside the Moment. The Moment has 5" bathtub walls so technically an extra wide/long pad does fit inside the floor wall if it will bend/roll up a bit at the corners. The floor ends on the Moment are held pretty firmly in the vertical plane by vertical mesh walls that connect to the canopy.
-H
http://www.tarptent.com/photos/moment_pads.jpg
how hi are the bathtub walls on the contrail?
spirit4earth
08-10-2009, 15:51
how hi are the bathtub walls on the contrail?
high, that is!
high, that is!
That varies depending on how you pitch the tent. The upper seam of the bathtub floor attaches to the mosquito netting...which is in turn attached to the silnylong "tarp". If you pitch the tarp "up and out", the bathtub floor is a bit higher, say 2-3". If you pitch it "low and down", there is not as much tension on the upper seam of the bathtub floor.
I don't know if I answered your question...:)
The tub floor is still only 84.That is still short for a belly sleeper at 6'....that puts his hands above his head,and dont FEEL NET .I want top to bottom room.And also 20''.:-?
And sure, some of us want to sprawl with our arms straight out to the side.....so buy a 3 man tent and get as wide and long as you like:D
Great looking tent Henry.....can I order one now????:banana
Any option to eliminate the crossing pole tie-outs for those of us that do not plan to use one??
And sure, some of us want to sprawl with our arms straight out to the side.....so buy a 3 man tent and get as wide and long as you like:D
Great looking tent Henry.....can I order one now????:banana
Any option to eliminate the crossing pole tie-outs for those of us that do not plan to use one??
Obiwan, email us for ordering update.
The tie-outs for the crossing pole are easily removed. The straps just slip out of small laderlocs (and you can cut off the remaining laderlocs if you wish for an additional weight savings of a whopping 0.05 ounces).
-H
Brass Rat
08-23-2009, 15:56
Question about the photo - is this showing only half the tent with the other (symmetrical) half obscured by the central hoop?
garlic08
08-23-2009, 19:38
I'm still hanging on to my Contrail and will probably replace it with the same when it comes time. (After 5000 trail miles, I finally have to admit my Contrail doesn't look like new any more.) The simple genius of the Contrail design is that there are no external arch poles to mess with or break. I don't want to ever go back to a shelter with arch poles.
FamilyGuy
08-23-2009, 19:41
I'm still hanging on to my Contrail and will probably replace it with the same when it comes time. (After 5000 trail miles, I finally have to admit my Contrail doesn't look like new any more.) The simple genius of the Contrail design is that there are no external arch poles to mess with or break. I don't want to ever go back to a shelter with arch poles.
5000 miles? Awesome. Your Contrail should go into the Tarptent Hall of Fame!:banana
Big Dawg
08-23-2009, 21:58
Question about the photo - is this showing only half the tent with the other (symmetrical) half obscured by the central hoop?
If you're talking about the pic on tarptent.com, in the category "What's New",,,,, then yes to your question. Click on "Moment", & other pics showing the whole tent are revealed. :)
Big Dawg
08-23-2009, 22:01
If you're talking about the pic on tarptent.com, in the category "What's New",,,, then yes :)
which is also the pic in the first post of this thread,,,
Originally posted by Mark...
I love my Contrail, but free standing would be nice for tent platforms.
My wife and I thru hiked this year, using our Tarptent Rainshadow 2 over 140 nights. We took six VERY SMALL lightweight eyehook screws for use on tent platforms. We only a needed a couple of them them 4 or 5 times, but they worked great in those situations.
On a side note - although 2009 was a record rainfall year, we absolutely loved the Rainshadow 2, which kept us and all our gear in the dry comfortably.
We just ordered a Moment for our solo backpacking adventures.
This is the tent I was looking at buying for myself.
There is an interview with Henry Shire at
http://hikinginfinland.blogspot.com/ (http://hikinginfinland.blogspot.com/)
it has a somewhat spooky picture of several Moments...
Hendrick also has some unique pics there of the inside of the new version of the Scarp.
There are several interesting articles there , if you are into stoves, search for his video on the Caldera Inferno .
That is the Caldera Cone with a new insert for wood burning . I made my own version , it works very well.
Franco
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e389/Francophoto/JustoneMomentorten.jpg
The Moment. The One. What's next? How will Six Moon Designs ever top this?To someone who has owned a Stephenson 2x for more years than some backpackers I see have _lived_, what tops this has been around a long, long time.
The "best" can only be that one that works for you or simply the one you like.
When you push the envelop (and Jack Stephenson certainly did that ) you tend to polarize people. Some will absolutely love the product and others will hate it...
Franco
Red Beard
11-16-2009, 14:17
How waterproof is this tent?
How ?
Enough for me...
This kind of silnylon has a waterhead of about 1200mm. As a comparison Epic is rated at 800 (50%less) but still "waterproof" enough for some.
I have had a couple of sil shelters under prolonged heavy rainfall with some very minor misting on a few occasions, not enough to disrupt my sleep nor wet my down bags.
Note that many have finished trough hikes with this kind of sil tents (Tarptents and SMD) and still are using them after that, whilst others need/prefer a double wall tent over their head.
But if you are thinking of a tent that will keep you dry if several inches of water flood your spot, then this is not it...
Franco
BOWSINGER
11-17-2009, 13:00
I have used my TT Moment tent for one night and it was a stormy one. I was setup in a semi-open area beside some farm buildings with very little wind protection. It started to rain about 3 AM and the wind began to build. By daybreak the rain and wind was beating hard against the little tent. I was worried about my seam-sealing job, but I had only two very small leaks where the two mesh barriers connect to the back canopy that will have to be redone. After the wind got up, I did get some light spray though the sil nylon. Enough to get the top outer shell of my bag damp, but not enough to get the down wet. I don’t think my bag shell is treated, but it kept me warm and dry.
I now know why they say that TarpTents are half tarp and half tent. Setup in that open area and in that wind, it was blowing through the side mesh pretty good. Drafty just like a tarp, but no rain blew in though the mesh. I need to learn how to close the windward side of the canopy closer to the ground. Before it is already pouring rain. I laid a rolled up tarp inside and along and on top of the side mesh and that helped a lot.
According to the car radio in the morning we had gotten 1 to 3 inches of rain in the area. The campsite was level and there were water puddles everywhere. I had no ground sheet, but the bathtub tent floor stayed dry. Any thing lying on the mesh including my rolled up wind blocking tarp got wet.
The wind shifted from north to northeast to east and back to north. I think that the tent features of the Moment kept me a lot dryer that if I had been under a tarp in that location and those conditions.
I was using a 24 x 77 inch blue foam pad that I had trimmed the corners to fit in the bathtub floor. The 5-inch sidewalls kept the pad in place with no sliding around. Because I was car camping, I had two 25 x 77 inch Thermo Rests and I laid them on top of the foam pad. The top head end corners of those pads curled up slightly over the bathtub floor sidewall corners, but it didn’t seem to be any problem. There was room for the bottom corners to lay flat.
I was not about to crawl out of the tent in that rain, but at 5’ 11” I had enough kneeling headroom to use a pee bottle. My old backpacking tent is a two man Clip Flashlight and I do not feel like I am giving up much usable and livable interior space at all.
The rain didn’t quit till midmorning and the wind got worse. I have, but did not bring the optional crossing pole and by about 2 in the afternoon the gale was so strong it was time to add some guy lines. Instead, I broke camp and headed for home. It was a good test of the tent and I am very satisfied with it. For Moment TarpTents (like any tent) in really bad storm conditions, there are some things to think about. Some skills to learn. I already have some ideas about what to do different next time. This winter, I will be backpacking and conditions may well be a lot worse. The Moment is not rated as a four-season tent, but I wonder if that winter envelope can’t be pushed a little.
Jeff Ingersoll
11-17-2009, 14:11
I would like to see a Video of Henry Shires tarptent Moment being set up and of the inside and outside, does anyone have this?
At 35oz It has my attention, I hope the reviews are as good as it looks. I've been considering the Rainbow but now I'll wait a bit longer to see what shakes out.
Dedicated REI original 1/4 Dome user here.
Until I got my Rainbow......
Tarptents get better as you learn how to optimise them for the situation. A simple trick ,for example , on how to drop a hoop tent a bit lower is to dig a little hole under the pole tips.
On a hoop shelter like that I would definitely install pole guylines and use them if pitched anywhere in the open (IE not under tree protection)
BTW, here is an (unintentionally) amusing video on how not to pitch a Tarptent...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW2dKsLdHWg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW2dKsLdHWg)
Franco
BOWSINGER
11-18-2009, 11:31
Franco
Thanks for the pitching TT tents tips. One of the best things about TarpTents is all the good feedback from the owners and Henry, himself.
FamilyGuy
11-18-2009, 12:00
Misting again? Nuts.
skinewmexico
11-19-2009, 00:15
My Moment was supposed to ship today.
FamilyGuy
11-19-2009, 00:44
My Moment was supposed to ship today.
When can I expect your For Sale posting on your other tents....:-?
skinewmexico
11-19-2009, 01:52
When can I expect your For Sale posting on your other tents....:-?
I'm getting smarter. I sold one in advance this time.
squeezebox
11-19-2009, 21:25
Could you discuss the Scarp 2 vs. the double rainbow
Thanks
skinewmexico
11-19-2009, 23:59
Double wall, 4 season tent versus a single wall, 3 season tent.
Big Dawg
02-05-2010, 09:37
The answer is "sort of." Here's a diagram showing standard long and extra wide/long pads inside the Moment. The Moment has 5" bathtub walls so technically an extra wide/long pad does fit inside the floor wall if it will bend/roll up a bit at the corners. The floor ends on the Moment are held pretty firmly in the vertical plane by vertical mesh walls that connect to the canopy.
-H
http://www.tarptent.com/photos/moment_pads.jpg
So Henry... based on the above diagram, would the 5" floor walls easily push out a bit (but still be under the tent canopy) to let the corners of the 25x77 pad lay flat, or would the pad corners rise up & hang over the floor wall? Based on my experience w/ TT (I own the DR), I think the floor walls would push out a bit b/c of how they're connected to the tent body via mesh,, maybe bringing the "floor wall" down to 2 to 3" high at the pad corners. I hope this is the case. Whatdaya think? The Neoair is the pad I'd be using w/ the Moment.
Big Dawg
02-05-2010, 10:39
so technically an extra wide/long pad does fit inside the floor wall if it will bend/roll up a bit at the corners. The floor ends on the Moment are held pretty firmly in the vertical plane by vertical mesh walls that connect to the canopy.
I guess my concern is.... since I'd be using a Neoair (which I don't think would bend up very well at the corners b/c of pad thickness), then the floor/mesh would have to give... & so... would they?
I guess my concern is.... since I'd be using a Neoair (which I don't think would bend up very well at the corners b/c of pad thickness), then the floor/mesh would have to give... & so... would they?
Big Dawg,
I don't have a NeoAir to test so at this point I'm just educated guessing as to what will happen with the pad but, yes, the mesh and floor will give if you/your pad push outward on them. If you do end up getting a Moment and it doesn't work well with your pad then not a problem to return the Moment.
-H
you can trim the neo air using a iron.
There is a video tour of the interior taken by Alex Wallace here:
http://www.tarptent.com/moment_3.html (http://www.tarptent.com/moment_3.html)
This , to me, gives a very good idea of the inside space and design.
As for cutting and mortifying the Neo Air (if you are game..) here it is :
http://www.suluk46.com/videos.html (http://www.suluk46.com/videos.html)
Franco
Big Dawg
02-05-2010, 20:12
There is a video tour of the interior taken by Alex Wallace here:
http://www.tarptent.com/moment_3.html (http://www.tarptent.com/moment_3.html)
This , to me, gives a very good idea of the inside space and design.
As for cutting and mortifying the Neo Air (if you are game..) here it is :
http://www.suluk46.com/videos.html (http://www.suluk46.com/videos.html)
Franco
yea, saw that video,,, one of the reasons I figured the floor wall/mesh would allow 25x77 pad to lay flat.
I would NEVER intentionally alter the NeoAir. By doing so, it would negate REI's return policy, which is the only way I'd pull the trigger on a NeoAir.
Powder River
02-06-2010, 01:59
Tarptents get better as you learn how to optimise them for the situation. A simple trick ,for example , on how to drop a hoop tent a bit lower is to dig a little hole under the pole tips.
On a hoop shelter like that I would definitely install pole guylines and use them if pitched anywhere in the open (IE not under tree protection)
BTW, here is an (unintentionally) amusing video on how not to pitch a Tarptent...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW2dKsLdHWg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW2dKsLdHWg)
Franco
Franco that is the funniest thing I've seen all day. "Look how freakin low that thing is! Do you want to stay all day in there?" This guy reminds me of several folks I met along the trail.
To me the funniest bit is when you can detect disappointment in his voice when he discover that there was no condensation under the TT either.. (in spite of that "set up")
I came across recently a comment from Ron Moak about silnylon sagging. Essentially the same as I have been saying for some time. Once the fabric relaxes if you then set it up taut , it will remain like that. People that comment that they have to keep doing it (a few times a night...) simply are not doing it right. Ron in fact mentioned that he left some shelters up for days and weeks, still they were taut after that.
Franco
Powder River
02-06-2010, 03:23
If you watch the part 2 video it gets even better. He has a gigantic red stuff sack which he claims is the TT (with a hiking pole sticking out of it) and weighs it in at 3lb 10oz. He then goes to show that his DOG carries his 5lb 12oz tent, and if he puts the TT in instead it goes lopsided! Haha
frisbeefreek
02-06-2010, 18:50
Someone showed me a trick to minimize sagging - Replace the guy-lines with elastic shockcord.
I am in two minds about that.
Having installed shock cords on the Contrail I find that to have it up as taut as I like , I still need to re-tension it when it relaxes . However it may help in absorbing some strong wind gusts.
Note that in my version you can use them or not as you like..
Franco
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Big Dawg
03-05-2010, 21:47
Big Dawg,
I don't have a NeoAir to test so at this point I'm just educated guessing as to what will happen with the pad but, yes, the mesh and floor will give if you/your pad push outward on them. If you do end up getting a Moment and it doesn't work well with your pad then not a problem to return the Moment.
-H
I was able to confirm that a NeoAir Thermarest 25x77 pad does fit!!!