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I eat a lot of raw foods at home (fresh fruits and veggies, nuts and seeds, smoothies, etc). I just got back from a section hike on the AT in Maine and just did Mountain house dehydrated meals for dinner, packaged oatmeal and hot chocolate for breakfast and gorp and bars for lunch. Did not have a BM the whole time I was gone. Next time I'd like to make my meals a little healthier. Does anyone incorporate foods from a raw diet on the trail? I'm a big fan of greens, but salads don't keep on the trail. Help!
First off it depends on weather it is cold weather or hot weather. During cold weather you can bring a lot of frest food including meats. But even in the summer you can at least bring fresh fruit.
Some raw foods will require too much fuel to cook to be practical on a long hike. Or it may require too many pots and pans to cook to be practical. Or may take too much time to cook.
But still I always like to have at least some fresh food when I hike.
Panzer
Simple solution: stick more to your at home diet!! Instead of eating MH meals why not make your own? Incorporate beans, nuts and seeds into them. And you will find you stay regular!
(Beans and lentils can be easily cooked and dried at home for instant on the trail. You can also buy them precooked/dried)
fiddlehead
07-20-2009, 00:29
Google Doug Walsh.
He's done the CDT and PCT on strictly raw food.
dry your own food, and also depending on what and how hot it is, you can take raw food with you, i like to always hike out of town w/ an apple or two but they are a lot lighter if dried
(also check out www.justtomatoes.com has bulk dried items)
Pedaling Fool
07-20-2009, 08:55
dry your own food, and also depending on what and how hot it is, you can take raw food with you, i like to always hike out of town w/ an apple or two but they are a lot lighter if dried
(also check out www.justtomatoes.com (http://www.justtomatoes.com) has bulk dried items)
I second that. I never eat packaged meals, such as MH... I eat bulk rice and mix in numerous veggies/jerky, to make a stew. I also dehydrate fruit to mix with oatmeal.
sixhusbands
07-20-2009, 09:24
I use the green bags ( found in WalMart or grocery stores) to keep the fruits and veggies fresher at home. I just tried these on a week long hike in the Whites and All of the fruits , meats, cheese and veggies made it. The only trick is to eat the fruits that bruise easily first. We took cherries, bananas, apples, peaches and grapes plus carrots, potatoes, snap peas, broccoli, onions and zuchini from our garden. These all did well and we had eggs for the first three days, cheese all week , but the home made bread started to mold on day four! We did take some canned chicken , jerky and tuna. Our food bag weighed in at 16 pounds , but it was worth it to have the fresh foods! Try the green bags...
Thanks... I do use the green bags at home, I didn't think to take them on the trail. I did use my dehydrator to make some practice meals at home, but I thought they tasted awful compared with MH meals, and then with further research I discovered that dehydrated and freeze dried are two totally different processes and freeze dried (which is MH) is really much tastier because it keeps the food intact, removing the water, whereas dehydrated actually shrinks the cells and changes the food texture and taste (to me at least). The other thing I'm dealing with is that the 40 pounds I carried was way too much I think for my 49 year old body, going up and down the Maine AT mountains. Next summer when I do another section, I want to try and lighten my load a bit. I will work on dehydrating fruit- I love dried fruits. Does anyone have any suggestions about greens and veggies? I guess I can dry them. I did eat beans in my MH meals, so I would have thought that I would have had a BM in my four days??? What is the ratio of nutrients that we should be eating when we are out on the trail % of fat, carbs and proteins? Should I aim for mostly carbs?
Thanks fiddlehead, I'll google Doug Walsh when I finish here. Sorry to ramble. The food question is my biggest thought coming off my trip, everything else went pretty smoothly.
sweetpeastu
07-20-2009, 13:05
umm since you like MH and find that it is a relatively lightweight option, you could always carry a supplement with you if you're worried about being irregular....
Farr Away
07-20-2009, 13:32
This is not something I have done, but I have heard of people growing sprouts while backpacking - possible source of greens for you. The seeds would be lightweight (especially alfalfa), and you certainly couldn't get any fresher.
LaurieAnn
07-20-2009, 14:00
We grow sprouts on the trail all the time. It's pretty easy and light.
Here is my 32 oz Nalgene with brocolli sprouts on Day 3 of growth...
http://www.outdooradventurecanada.com/laurie/aerialday3.jpg
LaurieAnn
07-20-2009, 14:07
Oh and if you want to know how to do it - I also do it at home on the counter in a Mason Jar... you can see the instructions and progress here...
Day 1
http://craveable.wordpress.com/2008/07/12/hello-everyone
Day 3
http://craveable.wordpress.com/2008/07/13/an-update-on-my-sprouts
Day 4
http://craveable.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/the-fourth-day-of-sprouting
and my "at camp" instructions for sprouting can be found on page 7 of this pdf
http://www.wildernesscooking.com/fork/lunches.pdf
under the title "Water Bottle Sprout Garden"
summermike
07-20-2009, 16:13
What do you eat with the sprouts or do you just eat them by themselves?
Pedaling Fool
07-20-2009, 18:44
... I did use my dehydrator to make some practice meals at home, but I thought they tasted awful compared with MH meals, and then with further research I discovered that dehydrated and freeze dried are two totally different processes and freeze dried (which is MH) is really much tastier because it keeps the food intact, removing the water, whereas dehydrated actually shrinks the cells and changes the food texture and taste (to me at least)...
How did you eat the dehydrated food? Some dehydrated food is kind of bland tasting if not rehydrated, such as broccoli, potatoes, carrots...and many more. Some exceptions are Jerky and tomatoes. Some talk about how hard it is to rehydrate, but I've never had a problem; I just throw the stuff in with the water that I'm boiling for my rice(or whatever). Also most foods are more flavorful because of the reduced water present naturally, especially tomatoes.
I've never heard about the dehydration process shrinking cells and not sure if that would really make a difference. Dehydration simply removes most water from the food, you actually don't want to remove all of it or then you'll be destroying the nutrient value by overdrying.
It is true that the freeze-dried process does remove much more water, but that's a completely different process and not one that is easily repeated without industrial machinery.
I eat a lot of raw foods at home (fresh fruits and veggies, nuts and seeds, smoothies, etc). I just got back from a section hike on the AT in Maine and just did Mountain house dehydrated meals for dinner, packaged oatmeal and hot chocolate for breakfast and gorp and bars for lunch. Did not have a BM the whole time I was gone. Next time I'd like to make my meals a little healthier. Does anyone incorporate foods from a raw diet on the trail? I'm a big fan of greens, but salads don't keep on the trail. Help!
Somewhere I have a link about a guy that did the whole CDT- could be the Pct- eating raw. He grew his own sprouts atop his pack along the way! I'm sure you could Goggle it (ok , I'm not sure at all) but it is possible. I'm a BIG raw fan but don't have the dedication.:(:o
Google Doug Walsh.
He's done the CDT and PCT on strictly raw food.
THats the guy! thanks FH!:)
LaurieAnn
07-20-2009, 19:30
What do you eat with the sprouts or do you just eat them by themselves?
I'm not a raw foods expert by any means but on our last trip we traveled with a lady on a raw food diet. I grew sprouts like I usually do and we shared (broccoli this time). Mine went in a wrap with smoked salmon and a bit of salad dressing. Sometimes I put them on top of potato soup. Roula put hers in her bowl with some cheese and some sort of dressing and then she garnished the sprouts with nuts, seeds, raisins, currants and wolf berries (goji). It looked really yummy.
I'm incorporating raw foods into my trail diet to a greater extent all the time. There are raw foods that don't need to be cooked(that's partly why they are called raw foods). Go to Whole Foods, healthfood co-op, or similar store near you(there are many more choices if you are hiking on the west coast, especially in northern CA and OR) and seek out options in the raw food section. I carry raw food products(no cooking) by Lydia's Organics, Livin Spoonful, Love Force, and one of my favorites, and realtively easy to find, nutritional bars from Raw Revolution. The products made by these companies are not only raw, but many selections offer high calories per ounce which adds up to less weight being carried. However, some of them are not exactly cheap by many hiker's trail food budgets. Doug Walsh did the PCT on a raw food diet. He has lots of great low cost ideas. Happy healthy trail eating!
I also always carry a raw food trail mix consisting of nuts(cashews, pine nuts, almonds, macadamias, walnuts, pistachios, etc), coconut, seeds(pumpkin, sunflower, hemp, sesame, flax, chia, somba, etc.), and dried fruits. Again, not only raw, but super high in highly nutritious calories per ounce.
Try this link:
http://www.rawhike.com/rawfoodbackpack.shtml
Like a vegan diet, it can be done. You just need the mental dedication for the logistics and to avoid 'temptation'.
Good luck!
These foods are all dry and stable in a wide range of weather conditions.
Doug walsh's site was really good but it seemed like he ate a lot of supplements and pricey stuff (like his green drink with a green powder and carob) He was sponsored. Lots of you suggested sprouts, that's a great idea. I think Doug grew them too in a sprout bag, which would be lighter even than in a bottle. seeds don't weigh anything. At home I don't eat that much dehydrated stuff, although it's certainly out there in the raw world, and it seems like on the trail I want fluids, not dehydrated stuff???
LaurieAnn
07-21-2009, 14:47
I tried the baggie method for sprouts but sadly I am a little rough on my pack and such so I found the bottle worked better because I didn't end up with bruised shoots.
You need both fluids and energy foods. Cocao nibs are a great thing to add to your raw trail mix. Yum!
Section hiker only here. I like the Mountain House green beans. I like a green veggie and sprouts to me are rabbit food. Just personal preferernce. No offense.
But, in defiance of light weight, I take three oranges for a five day trip. They keep and there is nothing better than an orange after a hot long day.
I certainly understand the concern for how you will get liquids from your raw food trail diet. I'm not an expert on raw foods, but as I understand it, one of the big reasons people go on raw food diets is for the natural enzymes and plant fluids that this diet contains. I don't get the majority of my liquids on the trail from carrying a whole lot of fresh fruit and vegetables though. I'm an Ultra Lighter. I'll carry a fresh organic mango, avocado, some sprouts, spinach leaves, small onion or potato, garlic clove, carrot, maybe two small apples, etc., but I'm just not willing to carry large amounts of heavy fresh produce particularly if I'm going more than 5-6 days between resupplying. Like Walsh, I also carry high ORAC Unit dry green drinks like those from Green Utopia, Green Vibrance, Alive, Klamath blue green algae, Red and Blue Lightning, and Garden of Life that I mix with water. I much prefer getting the majority of my greens in this lighter wt. fashion. I have seen some green drinks that offer 140 cals. per oz. Remember, I try to get balance my trail food regimine with being an ULer. I'll also carry Emergency w/MSM that I mix with water, preferably spring water. But, Walsh also carried a lot more fresh produce than I'm willing to carry. And, my trail food diet does not need to be totally raw either. This is the compromised trail food diet that I currently use.
Wise Old Owl
08-09-2009, 13:23
Google Doug Walsh.
He's done the CDT and PCT on strictly raw food.
Its a little hard to find so to help folk find it here you are....
I don't see this catching on anytime soon.
http://www.rawhike.com/foodplan.shtml
http://www.rawguru.com/html/doug.html
dreamsoftrails
08-10-2009, 11:22
I eat a lot of raw foods at home (fresh fruits and veggies, nuts and seeds, smoothies, etc). I just got back from a section hike on the AT in Maine and just did Mountain house dehydrated meals for dinner, packaged oatmeal and hot chocolate for breakfast and gorp and bars for lunch. Did not have a BM the whole time I was gone. Next time I'd like to make my meals a little healthier. Does anyone incorporate foods from a raw diet on the trail? I'm a big fan of greens, but salads don't keep on the trail. Help!
when its cooler i take real whole potatoes, bell peppers, dried pasta, and make little stews.
i bring a tube of pre cooked sausage that keeps well for the first day and second day, maybe half the second day if it is getting warm.