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Patrickjd9
11-08-2009, 16:45
Seeing long-distance hikers smoke handrolled cigarettes is nothing new, but a couple of times this year I've smelled cigarettes being smoked at shelters that didn't really smell like tobacco.

While they may have smelled a bit sweet, they didn't smell like pot or clove cigarettes either. Are hikers mixing the end of the lid into the pouch of Bugler, or are people smoking something I'm unfamiliar with?:confused:

Jack Tarlin
11-08-2009, 16:48
There are any number of things that hikers smoke that may not necessarily be tobacco. :rolleyes:

I suspect that you may have run into hikers smoking clove or flavored cigarettes, which up until legislation restricting their sale, have become very popular with young people in recent years.

Don H
11-08-2009, 16:52
On two occasions on my last section it was definitely pot! I left the shelter, one time in the pouring rain, and set up my tent to get away from it.

ontheway
11-08-2009, 17:04
On two occasions on my last section it was definitely pot! I left the shelter, one time in the pouring rain, and set up my tent to get away from it.
not cool you should have asked them to put it out or have them walk in the rain!!!!

shelterbuilder
11-08-2009, 18:12
On two occasions on my last section it was definitely pot! I left the shelter, one time in the pouring rain, and set up my tent to get away from it.

My first Siberian Husky (some 25 years ago) couldn't stand the smell of pot! Sneeze and growl, sneeze and growl, sneeze and growl...this would continue until one of the smokers would ask me what was wrong with my dog..."Nothing", I would reply, "he just smells something that he doesn't like!"

It was always good for a laugh, and sometimes the smokers would even put their weed away!:D

Jim Adams
11-08-2009, 18:25
Could be American Spirit. Its a blend of herbs either produced by Native Americans or their recipe and alot of hikers rolled it in 2002. It doesn't smell or taste like tobacco. Comes in a pouch.

geek

Blissful
11-08-2009, 21:11
Shouldn't be smoking at the shelters...plenty of woods to do it in.

ShelterLeopard
11-08-2009, 21:16
Most American Spirit tobacco smells a lot like "regular" tobacco (unless you're talking about some different kind or style they've put out). I really wish people wouldn't smoke in shelters. Go smoke in the woods if you have to.

ShelterLeopard
11-08-2009, 21:17
Although I do love the smell of pipe tobacco- especially cherrywood! Near a campfire or on a cold winter day, it smells perfect.

Jack Tarlin
11-08-2009, 21:19
American Spirit cigarettes are neither natural, healthy, nor are they manufactured by Native Americans. In point of fact they are owned by the same company that makes Camels, the Reynolds people, and tho they do indeed market several brands made with "organic" tobacco, the perception that the company is somehow, healthy, natural, holisitc, owned and run by and for Indians, etc., well this is all a very well constructed shuck.

ShelterLeopard
11-08-2009, 21:23
I know- I'll hear a lot of "health conscious" people talking about how much better American Spirits are for you- just goes to show how much packaging and advertising can warp people's minds.

Gaiter
11-08-2009, 21:23
pipe tobacco can have different smells, depending on the 'flavor'

Lone Wolf
11-08-2009, 21:24
Could be American Spirit. Its a blend of herbs either produced by Native Americans or their recipe and alot of hikers rolled it in 2002. It doesn't smell or taste like tobacco. Comes in a pouch.

geek
yeah right :rolleyes: in the back rooms of the casinos. smoking anything is purely dumb

Lone Wolf
11-08-2009, 21:26
I know- I'll hear a lot of "health conscious" people talking about how much better American Spirits are for you- just goes to show how much packaging and advertising can warp people's minds.
NO smoke is "good" for your lungs. folks who smoke ain't nowhere near health concious

ShelterLeopard
11-08-2009, 21:31
Yep- I know. It makes me laugh.

Jim Adams
11-09-2009, 08:49
American Spirit cigarettes are neither natural, healthy, nor are they manufactured by Native Americans. In point of fact they are owned by the same company that makes Camels, the Reynolds people, and tho they do indeed market several brands made with "organic" tobacco, the perception that the company is somehow, healthy, natural, holisitc, owned and run by and for Indians, etc., well this is all a very well constructed shuck.

Good info Jack...I didn't know that!

geek

Jester2000
11-09-2009, 10:39
American Spirit cigarettes are neither natural, healthy, nor are they manufactured by Native Americans. In point of fact they are owned by the same company that makes Camels, the Reynolds people, and tho they do indeed market several brands made with "organic" tobacco, the perception that the company is somehow, healthy, natural, holisitc, owned and run by and for Indians, etc., well this is all a very well constructed shuck.

All of this is true, but I do smoke American Spirits while I'm on the trail. Here's why: although there is a certain amount of intentional confusion about American Spirits, they are made with a higher quality tobacco, are packed tighter, and do not have the accelerant chemical in them that makes other cigs continue to burn when you put them down. What this means is that I smoke fewer of them, which means I have to carry less of them.

the goat
11-09-2009, 11:06
Seeing long-distance hikers smoke handrolled cigarettes is nothing new, but a couple of times this year I've smelled cigarettes being smoked at shelters that didn't really smell like tobacco.

While they may have smelled a bit sweet, they didn't smell like pot or clove cigarettes either. Are hikers mixing the end of the lid into the pouch of Bugler, or are people smoking something I'm unfamiliar with?:confused:

perhaps they were smoking shisha, which is flavored tobacco that is often sweet and/ or fruity. never seen it rolled in cigs, usually smoked through a hookah.....but i guess that would be a pain to pack into the woods.

mudhead
11-09-2009, 12:52
All of this is true, but I do smoke American Spirits while I'm on the trail. Here's why: although there is a certain amount of intentional confusion about American Spirits, they are made with a higher quality tobacco, are packed tighter, and do not have the accelerant chemical in them that makes other cigs continue to burn when you put them down. What this means is that I smoke fewer of them, which means I have to carry less of them.

Friggin' addict!:eek:

Marlboros are now fire safe-they go out. Make me safe. Thanks.

Nicksaari
11-09-2009, 19:30
i would say that of the hundreds of ppl ive encountered on trail and in shelters, a bit over HALF dont smoke anything at all, but the remaining that do smoke, much more than half of them smoke weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

BUT DO NOT FRET! we're gonna get these devil worshippin, hip, young, dangerous, happy, hikers who smoke this deadly, addictive drug substance that was placed on this earth by SATAN himself with survallience cameras installed in shelters and along the trail. go get em GOP!

CrumbSnatcher
11-09-2009, 20:02
they were probably smokin blunts

Nicksaari
11-09-2009, 20:14
or maybe they were smokin backwoods. or crack. or cat turds

Patrickjd9
11-09-2009, 21:04
Cat turds, that's a new one on me...

My guess was that they were the AT version of blunts. The Backwoods are in brown paper (I somehow doubt it's leaf) and these were in white paper.

Patrickjd9
11-09-2009, 21:05
Although I do love the smell of pipe tobacco- especially cherrywood! Near a campfire or on a cold winter day, it smells perfect.
My father sometimes smoked a pipe. I like the smell of pipe tobacco even though I'm otherwise grossed out by tobacco.

Wise Old Owl
11-09-2009, 21:12
Blunts or swisher sweets which is cheap flavored downtown tobacco.

tammons
11-09-2009, 21:13
Rabbit tobacco

Safari
11-16-2009, 08:42
I was amazed by the amount of fit, young hikers puffin away (or chewing that awful stuff you Americans are into)... if the rest of the world forsakes tobacco altogether, the tobacco companies can always fall back on cigarette vending machines installed in AT shelters... on the flip side I almost never saw a cigarette butt on the trail & most hikers were VERY generous when it came to sharing & offering their more illegitimate smoking substance...! Not my scene but a major scene on the trail it is...

sylvia_claire
11-16-2009, 12:45
American Spirit cigarettes are neither natural, healthy, nor are they manufactured by Native Americans. In point of fact they are owned by the same company that makes Camels, the Reynolds people, and tho they do indeed market several brands made with "organic" tobacco, the perception that the company is somehow, healthy, natural, holisitc, owned and run by and for Indians, etc., well this is all a very well constructed shuck.


I know- I'll hear a lot of "health conscious" people talking about how much better American Spirits are for you- just goes to show how much packaging and advertising can warp people's minds.


NO smoke is "good" for your lungs. folks who smoke ain't nowhere near health concious

do people claim that they are good for you or that they are better? there is a huge difference between those two claims. American spirit is 100 percent tobacco (it is also I believe organic) there are studies that show that pure tobacco use (as opossed to tabacco with many chemical additives) has less coralation to incidents of things like cancer and other disease smokers tend to develop. Now this of course does not make smoking tabacco good for your health.no I do not smoke, no I have never smoked, no I am not trying to justify my own non existant smoking habit with this rant...

ShelterLeopard
11-16-2009, 12:49
do people claim that they are good for you or that they are better? there is a huge difference between those two claims. American spirit is 100 percent tobacco (it is also I believe organic) there are studies that show that pure tobacco use (as opossed to tabacco with many chemical additives) has less coralation to incidents of things like cancer and other disease smokers tend to develop. Now this of course does not make smoking tabacco good for your health.no I do not smoke, no I have never smoked, no I am not trying to justify my own non existant smoking habit with this rant...

The method od advertising used by the American Spirit tobacco company is clearly meant to make their cigarettes seem more "wholesome" or good than any other. Sure, additive free is better than other cigarettes, but smoking American Spirits versus menthol Camels is not like eating organic v. non organic cabbage.

Jester2000
11-16-2009, 12:53
The method od advertising used by the American Spirit tobacco company is clearly meant to make their cigarettes seem more "wholesome" or good than any other. Sure, additive free is better than other cigarettes, but smoking American Spirits versus menthol Camels is not like eating organic v. non organic cabbage.

Yes, it strikes me as a slightly healthier way to kill yourself. Note: I don't recommend smoking cabbage.

sylvia_claire
11-16-2009, 13:00
oh, and 15 seconds of research on the companys own site will tell you that they are are not native owned or affiliated

http://www.sfntc.com/FAQ/Overview.aspx

sylvia_claire
11-16-2009, 13:11
The method od advertising used by the American Spirit tobacco company is clearly meant to make their cigarettes seem more "wholesome" or good than any other. Sure, additive free is better than other cigarettes, but smoking American Spirits versus menthol Camels is not like eating organic v. non organic cabbage.


well of course, I don't disagree with that. perhaps we should just say less bad and not more good, or better.....

and yes if you have a positive to begin with(organic cabbage) anthen add a negative (lets say a bad pesticide) you get something worse but might still get a positive

but if you start with a negative (tabacco) and then add a negative (what they add to tabacco) you definatly get a huge negative

ShelterLeopard
11-16-2009, 13:12
Yep Sylvia- I think that's been stated either on here or on a similar thread a couple times.

I will admit, on a really cold hike if I'm planning to have a campfire I might bring my pipe and cherrywood tobacco. I don't really even smoke it, just light it, and get it going, because I love that small. Only if no one objects though.

ShelterLeopard
11-16-2009, 13:13
well of course, I don't disagree with that. perhaps we should just say less bad and not more good, or better.....

and yes if you have a positive to begin with(organic cabbage) anthen add a negative (lets say a bad pesticide) you get something worse but might still get a positive

but if you start with a negative (tabacco) and then add a negative (what they add to tabacco) you definatly get a huge negative

I think that was a very good way of putting it, sylvia.

ShelterLeopard
11-16-2009, 13:14
And besides, you'd think that smoking on trail would make it harder on your lungs, and therefor harder to hike.

TimeSnake
11-16-2009, 21:35
the finest in hydroponics

Jack Tarlin
11-17-2009, 16:08
1. Very few of American Spirit's cigarettes are "organic" either in name or in
fact.

2. There is no such thing as a healthy cigarette.

Tin Man
11-17-2009, 16:26
1. Very few of American Spirit's cigarettes are "organic" either in name or in
fact.

2. There is no such thing as a healthy cigarette.

...and congrats to those who quit!

WILLIAM HAYES
11-17-2009, 18:40
its Pot that you smell being a survivor of the 60's I know and can recognize the mary jane fragrance- personally got past that stuff many years ago a lot of young hikers indulge but in my book you dont need to get high on the trail the beauty of the AT gives me enough of a high

XCskiNYC
11-17-2009, 19:40
All the Am. Spir. cigarettes use 100% additive-free whole-leaf tobacco. The Maroon and Gold packs use USDA-certified organic (NOP standard) tobacco.

This tobacco costs a little more than other brands but most people who smoke it would probably agree that Am. Spir. sells a high-quality product, both loose and in cigarettes.

The company has never claimed a direct link to Native Americans. The copy on some of their products mentions the Native American tradition of respectful use of tobacco and suggests using the tobacco in this spirit.

Lone Wolf
11-17-2009, 20:40
oh, and 15 seconds of research on the companys own site will tell you that they are are not native owned or affiliated

http://www.sfntc.com/FAQ/Overview.aspx

but hippie/indian wannabes like to think so.

Lone Wolf
11-17-2009, 20:42
All the Am. Spir. cigarettes use 100% additive-free whole-leaf tobacco. The Maroon and Gold packs use USDA-certified organic (NOP standard) tobacco.

This tobacco costs a little more than other brands but most people who smoke it would probably agree that Am. Spir. sells a high-quality product, both loose and in cigarettes.

The company has never claimed a direct link to Native Americans. The copy on some of their products mentions the Native American tradition of respectful use of tobacco and suggests using the tobacco in this spirit.

BS. any smoke in your lungs is not good.

Jack Tarlin
11-17-2009, 21:16
The "Native American tradition of respectful use of tobacco?"

Please. Spare me the New Age goo-goo stuff.

Some people have evidently watched "Dances With Wolves" too many times. You want "respectful" Native American traditions? Like burning miles of prairie to drive animals? Or how about driving buffalo off a cliff killing hundreds at a time? Or the many Gulf Coast tribes that were cannibals. Yeah, now THAT was respectful. Yet these are all historically documented.

Please. Early Americans smoked tobacco for the same reason later Americans did: It made them feel good and they were addicted to it. Nothing noble about it.

saimyoji
11-17-2009, 21:38
so you're sayin' the whole smokin the peace pipe thing is wrong?

weary
11-17-2009, 21:39
The method of advertising used by the American Spirit tobacco company is clearly meant to make their cigarettes seem more "wholesome" or good than any other. Sure, additive free is better than other cigarettes, but smoking American Spirits versus menthol Camels is not like eating organic v. non organic cabbage.
I'm reluctant to disillusion you young people, but there is little perceptible difference between eating organic and non organic cabbage. The two are pretty much the same, healthwise -- assuming one doesn't eat non organic cabbage in very great quantities very often.

Organics have some minor health advantages. But most of the requirements for an organic designation are based on unfounded beliefs, not necessarily facts. Or at least, not on any "facts" that have struck me as likely to have been true.

Weary

Jack Tarlin
11-17-2009, 21:42
Good point, Weary.

I also suspect that smoking is better for you than is cabbage, but let's not go there.

In retrospect, I had a Ukrainian grandmother who used to force feed us cabbage and borscht (after 40 years beets still scare me).

And I chain smoked filterless Camels for two decades.

I miss the cigarettes a hell of a lot more than the cabbage.

kayak karl
11-17-2009, 22:07
...and congrats to those who quit!
and those that never started:sun

mudhead
11-18-2009, 06:25
and those that never started:sun

Those are the smart ones.

Doooglas
11-18-2009, 07:30
And besides, you'd think that smoking on trail would make it harder on your lungs, and therefor harder to hike.
It depends on the individual. I used to smoke about a pack a day but bicycled 10 miles a day and ran 3 miles, 3 times a week.
My dad is 82 and still smokes but when he comes down here he can handle the trails better than many of the Butterball Brand 30 year old burger chompers:D that show up here.He walks up and down the beach for a few hours every day.
Fit is fit.
Many, many soldiers smoke and those guys tote immense amounts of weight around all day and also have to do the annual fitness test which would even kill most high school football jocks.;)

ShelterLeopard
11-18-2009, 11:36
I'm reluctant to disillusion you young people, but there is little perceptible difference between eating organic and non organic cabbage. The two are pretty much the same, healthwise -- assuming one doesn't eat non organic cabbage in very great quantities very often.

Organics have some minor health advantages. But most of the requirements for an organic designation are based on unfounded beliefs, not necessarily facts. Or at least, not on any "facts" that have struck me as likely to have been true.

Weary

I actually usually do eat a large amount of cabbage- Russian! My Russian granmother (like Jack's Ukranian grandmother) is always convinced that I need to eat a huge amount, and I get borscht, cabbage soup (borscht without beets), and cabbage rolls literally forced into my mouth.

So yeah, I eat cabbage.

And I live in farm area- I know what they do to those cabbages! (Well, kinda.)

ShelterLeopard
11-18-2009, 12:55
And PS- this should've been in the opening post.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-bounce011.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

ShelterLeopard
11-18-2009, 12:56
Darnit, I meant this.
http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-bounce011.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

ShelterLeopard
11-18-2009, 12:56
DARNIT! I give up.

XCskiNYC
11-18-2009, 13:38
BS. any smoke in your lungs is not good.

They're just saying they don't use additives. You think they made that up? Maybe. And maybe the moon landings were shot in a parking lot outside Laughlin, NV.

ShelterLeopard
11-18-2009, 13:45
They're just saying they don't use additives. You think they made that up? Maybe. And maybe the moon landings were shot in a parking lot outside Laughlin, NV.

How did you find out about that??? In 10 seconds the FBI will be coming for you three, two, one...

DapperD
11-19-2009, 07:43
It depends on the individual. I used to smoke about a pack a day but bicycled 10 miles a day and ran 3 miles, 3 times a week.
My dad is 82 and still smokes but when he comes down here he can handle the trails better than many of the Butterball Brand 30 year old burger chompers:D that show up here.He walks up and down the beach for a few hours every day.
Fit is fit.
Many, many soldiers smoke and those guys tote immense amounts of weight around all day and also have to do the annual fitness test which would even kill most high school football jocks.;) From what Iv'e learned, you can gain 100 lbs. on top of what you already weigh and still won't do the damage smoking 1 pack a day will do to your health.