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Zoooma
12-25-2009, 16:06
It seems a thread for the Lula Tye Shelter was never started.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2645/4214044824_58ac38fe7c_o.png

This might be in my plans for next Fall.

Pictures? Experiences? Anyone stay lately? Cool spot? Creepy?

veteran
12-26-2009, 01:52
I would not put off going there too long.

From the Green Mountain Club

Trail Updates and Relocations 2010:

GMC and US Forest Service and ATC will be building a new shelter at Little Rock Pond. The two old shelters, Lula Tye Shelter south of the pond and Little Rock Pond Shelter north of the pond, will remain open until the new shelter is completed.

http://www.greenmountainclub.org/page.php?id=203

Nean
12-26-2009, 02:09
I would not put off going there too long.

From the Green Mountain Club

Trail Updates and Relocations 2010:

GMC and US Forest Service and ATC will be building a new shelter at Little Rock Pond. The two old shelters, Lula Tye Shelter south of the pond and Little Rock Pond Shelter north of the pond, will remain open until the new shelter is completed.

http://www.greenmountainclub.org/page.php?id=203

Maybe the link says why, but the shelter is still in very good condition. IMO it's a huge waste of money and effort. :confused: Sometimes I think these clubs do these things just justify thier budget ---and thier salaries.:(

Nean
12-26-2009, 02:18
Read the link:eek:- they are flushing tens of thousands of dollars and hundreds if not more manhours for a celebration; and so a few good ol boys can pat themselves on the back. Makes me wonder why anyone would support or donate to them?:confused:

white_russian
12-26-2009, 07:19
Read the link:eek:- they are flushing tens of thousands of dollars and hundreds if not more manhours for a celebration; and so a few good ol boys can pat themselves on the back. Makes me wonder why anyone would support or donate to them?:confused:
I don't doubt that that kind of stuff may be going on since it happens all too often, but nowhere in the link can I find anything that says more than just a celebration is going to happen. Can you quote what the GMC said that makes you believe they are being wasteful?

Deadeye
12-26-2009, 12:09
Maybe the link says why, but the shelter is still in very good condition. IMO it's a huge waste of money and effort. :confused: Sometimes I think these clubs do these things just justify thier budget ---and thier salaries.:(

I don't think you'll find anyone getting rich working for the GMC. The celebrations usually consist of the dozen or so hard working volunteers that actually built the shelter. I think you need to check the GMC out a bit more before you go slammin' them for wasting money and effort... I think you'll find they waste very little of either.

veteran
12-26-2009, 14:17
Personally I would like to see them rebuild the bridge to the island in the pond.
It was used to get to the shelter that was on the island, and it would be a great place to camp.


http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7632&stc=1&d=1261850228

Photos from Walking With Spring by Earl Shaffer


http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7633&stc=1&d=1261850699

http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7634&stc=1&d=1261850934

mikec
12-26-2009, 14:21
It makes sense to build a shelter at Little Rock Pond. When I got to Lula Tye in June, 2009 and found out that I had to go another .3 miles N for water to Little Rock Pond Tent site I thought to myself, I might as well go there and camp. So I did.

Tinker
12-26-2009, 14:31
The reason the shelter was moved away from the pond originally was because hikers (mostly short term - campers, really) trashed the shoreline. You won't see a shelter at the shoreline again. Even with LNT being widely known and taught, there are still enough people who don't (or pretend not to) know about it, and others who believe that leaving as little "trace" as possible is the same thing as NO trace, so we all miss out - sigh. :(

Jeff
12-26-2009, 20:14
Veteran,

Thanks for sharing those photos. Never knew about a shelter on the island.

emerald
12-26-2009, 22:16
Green Mountain Adventure, Vermont's Long Trail: An Illustrated History (1985) is a wonderful book with an abundance of old photos from GMC's archives. I'm looking through my copy right now signed by one of the authors at the Appalachian Trail Conference held in Vermont in 1985. Above the signature appears "Congratulations on your End-to-End."

On page 45 is an image of Lula Tye wearing a big smile. The caption indicates she faithfully served GMC as club secretary and treasurer for almost 30 years.

Not surprisingly, there's an image of Little Rock Pond Shelter too. I believe it was photographed by many LT hikers over the years.

Little Rock Pond is a popular site which sees heavy use and a shelter there is desirable from a resource management standpoint. I can't see building another bridge. Why do hikers need access to the island? That would be a long-term commitment of resources I don't believe justifiable given the benefits, but it's an issue for GMNF, ATC and GMC to decide. It would seem they decided against a bridge long ago.

Deadeye
12-26-2009, 22:40
When the shelter was on the island, it was a beautiful spot - from a distance. Nice concept, but as you can imagine, everyone wanted to camp there, so it was trashed.

The two existing shelters are both 1962 vintage, makes sense to me to rebuild before they become uninhabitable rather than wait for them to fall in on themselves.

Nean
12-27-2009, 01:15
I don't doubt that that kind of stuff may be going on since it happens all too often, but nowhere in the link can I find anything that says more than just a celebration is going to happen. Can you quote what the GMC said that makes you believe they are being wasteful?

I couldn't find any other reason than the celebration either.:(
Why spend all that Time, :confused: Money :confused: , Effort :confused:, to replace perfectly good shelters? :-?
I'd love to know thier reason. :)
Without a damn good reason its a damn big waste, no?;)

white_russian
12-27-2009, 09:23
I couldn't find any other reason than the celebration either.:(
Why spend all that Time, :confused: Money :confused: , Effort :confused:, to replace perfectly good shelters? :-?
I'd love to know thier reason. :)
Without a damn good reason its a damn big waste, no?;)
That may be, but just because you think so doesn't make it true. There are plenty of conspiracy theorist out there for different things, but I guess the GMC has one now. Heck, at least show us a recent picture of the shelter proving it is in acceptable condition.

Bob McCaw
12-27-2009, 11:23
The existing Lula Tye shelter is nothing to get excited about, but the last time I was there it wasn't run down, either. It's up a short side trail from the AT/LT.

As the guidebook entries imply, it's a short walk to Little Rock Pond.

Deadeye
12-27-2009, 11:25
The shelters are 47 years old - they may look OK to the weary hiker, but closer inspection may reveal all sorts of strucural issues that need to be addressed before the shelters are like Caughnawaga or Gov. Clement

veteran
12-27-2009, 14:08
That may be, but just because you think so doesn't make it true. There are plenty of conspiracy theorist out there for different things, but I guess the GMC has one now. Heck, at least show us a recent picture of the shelter proving it is in acceptable condition.


Lula Tye Shelter

http://www.downthetrail.com/longtrailphotos/day20/LT20ZZF.JPG

Little Rock Pond Shelter

http://www.downthetrail.com/longtrailphotos/day20/LT20ZK.JPG

Nean
12-27-2009, 15:07
Lula Tye Shelter




http://www.downthetrail.com/longtrailphotos/day20/LT20ZZF.JPG


Little Rock Pond Shelter



http://www.downthetrail.com/longtrailphotos/day20/LT20ZK.JPG

Thanks for the pics-- i don't have that capacity:o but I was there about a month ago.:) These are not old stone shelters falling apart or being trashed by locals. I was there for lunch and no where near weary. I've worked in construction most of my life, helped build a new shelter for good reason, maintained a section of trail and hiked to/by these shelters 6 times over a 20 year span. I have a pretty good ideal of how things work in trail clubs and why. :-?
If there are good reasons it would seem the GMC would/should share it. Instead all they say is: for the 100 year celebration.:(
Knee jerk reactions and assumptions to my thinking don't make my thinking wrong. I'm asking to be proved wrong with something more than 'theories". Perhaps this is just too much to be asking?? :confused:
I've never been a sheeple and if I wasn't born in a free country (served it too) I'm sure I'd of been burned at the stake long ago by folks who don't appreciate the freedom to say what they think.;)

Tinker
12-27-2009, 15:12
Let me advance a theory here -
Maybe they're trying to catch up to the AMC............??? :p

Nean
12-27-2009, 15:29
Let me advance a theory here -
Maybe they're trying to catch up to the AMC............??? :p

That is funny as hell :D but I'm afraid there isn't always a real great reason to do these things other than to spend the money or lose it, and/or to justify the money recieved and the salaries it takes to manage that money. I realize this as a fact of life- doesn't mean I like or agree with it. ;) The new shelter will probably be huge and pretty!

I still do not understand WHY it is needed but wouldn't mind knowing what must be a closely guarded secret....

Zoooma
12-27-2009, 15:32
concerning tearing down the old, building a new:

If there are good reasons it would seem the GMC would/should share it. Instead all they say is: for the 100 year celebration.:(
Knee jerk reactions and assumptions to my thinking don't make my thinking wrong. I'm asking to be proved wrong with something more than 'theories". Perhaps this is just too much to be asking?? :confused:
I've never been a sheeple and if I wasn't born in a free country (served it too) I'm sure I'd of been burned at the stake long ago by folks who don't appreciate the freedom to say what they think.;)

Man, do I hear ya there. Sadly there are some who will want to persecute/ridicule a person for speaking a differing opinion, for having thoughts that go against what's popular, and/or they believe that the powers that be (Congress for example, or in this case, the GMC) are always smarter than ye insignificant citizen. ("How dare you question their actions!")

Perhaps, with building a new shelter to replace the Lula Tye Shelter, the GMC is just going through the motions of needlessly spending (wasting) money where they don't need to all because someone's too close-minded to notice it's truly a waste. (Not an accusation, just some pondering in support of Nean.)

If Lula Tye truly needs replacing, they should be transparent and say why.

wakapak
12-27-2009, 15:38
That is funny as hell :D but I'm afraid there isn't always a real great reason to do these things other than to spend the money or lose it, and/or to justify the money recieved and the salaries it takes to manage that money. I realize this as a fact of life- doesn't mean I like or agree with it. ;) The new shelter will probably be huge and pretty!

I still do not understand WHY it is needed but wouldn't mind knowing what must be a closely guarded secret....

What's up Nean?!!! Hope you're well!! :sun

Nean
12-27-2009, 15:43
What's up Nean?!!! Hope you're well!! :sun

Great wak! I know you're doing great!!! Just visited w/ Ken last week. Hope to look yall up next time i'm in your neck of the woods which may well be soon...

wakapak
12-27-2009, 15:44
Great wak! I know you're doing great!!! Just visited w/ Ken last week. Hope to look yall up next time i'm in your neck of the woods which may well be soon...

Sweet!!! Definitely let me know when you're round these parts again! :)

(sorry everyone else for the temporary thread drift....):o

Nean
12-27-2009, 15:48
sweet!!! Definitely Let Me Know When You're Round These Parts Again! :)

(sorry Everyone Else For The Temporary Thread Drift....):o

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:d

Lone Wolf
12-27-2009, 16:08
That is funny as hell :D but I'm afraid there isn't always a real great reason to do these things other than to spend the money or lose it, and/or to justify the money recieved and the salaries it takes to manage that money. I realize this as a fact of life- doesn't mean I like or agree with it. ;) The new shelter will probably be huge and pretty!

I still do not understand WHY it is needed but wouldn't mind knowing what must be a closely guarded secret....

me and you? we're old school. building new shelters are an absolut waste of time and money. period

Tinker
12-27-2009, 16:57
I hate to waste Absolut! :D
Well, ya know, if they could charge folks say, $80.00/night and give them a bunk, wool blanket, and a meal would that be a waste of money? (tongue firmly planted in cheek). ;)

veteran
12-27-2009, 17:32
Read line item 18 of the document, they were awarded almost 20,000 to build the shelter.

http://www.uvm.edu/~ospuvm/Reports/MonthlyReportsJun09/aw_jun09.htm

joehiker22
06-21-2010, 19:15
Read line item 18 of the document, they were awarded almost 20,000 to build the shelter.

http://www.uvm.edu/~ospuvm/Reports/MonthlyReportsJun09/aw_jun09.htm (http://www.uvm.edu/%7Eospuvm/Reports/MonthlyReportsJun09/aw_jun09.htm)
Read this more closely veteran.
The green mountain club actually awarded the uvm consulting archaeology program the "almost $20,000" to conduct an archaeological review of the site.
This review is mandated by vt state law, and happens whenever they build/move a road, a new development, etc.
The gmnf also contributed to the review, as it is on fs land. The review was coordinated by the fs archeologist for the gmnf and the flnf as well as the director of the uvm consulting archeology program.

Not sure what in that document makes you think the gmc was "awarded" that "almost 20,000" to build the shelter.