Outdoorsman Machete

[Wise Old Owl]

I realize that many of the readers here are anti-knife and what I am suggesting is a sword, but read on..... When I hike the Horseshoe trail or I bushwack even the best of clothing and Gortex can get ripped by brambles. In the past I took a poor quality china made Machete and drilled and filed a hook on the opposite side to shear brambles so I can get through, Sunglasses and hat provide some face protection. thin gloves are all required to get though "quiet" or low use trails. Today I found this and although its backordered I am going to take a shot at getting one as it looks lighter and someone did their homework and gave it a scalloped edge.

Outdoorsman Machete,

http://images.cabelas.com/is/image/cabelas/s7_519320_imageset_01?$main-Medium$

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?id=0071168519320a&navCount=3&podId=0071168&parentId=cat602224&masterpathid=&navAction=jump&cmCat=cat21404_ntw8&catalogCode=9IS&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat602224&hasJS=true

[Feral Bill]

I realize that many of the readers here are anti-knife and what I am suggesting is a sword, but read on..... When I hike the Horseshoe trail or I bushwack even the best of clothing and Gortex can get ripped by brambles. In the past I took a poor quality china made Machete and drilled and filed a hook on the opposite side to shear brambles so I can get through, Sunglasses and hat provide some face protection. thin gloves are all required to get though "quiet" or low use trails. Today I found this and although its backordered I am going to take a shot at getting one as it looks lighter and someone did their homework and gave it a scalloped edge.

Outdoorsman Machete,

http://images.cabelas.com/is/image/cabelas/s7_519320_imageset_01?$main-Medium$

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp?id=0071168519320a&navCount=3&podId=0071168&parentId=cat602224&masterpathid=&navAction=jump&cmCat=cat21404_ntw8&catalogCode=9IS&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=cat602224&hasJS=true

Years ago I worked shearing Christmas trees. (worst job ever!) We used something that looked a lot like that. They are probably available through some ag/ industrial supply, maybe locally if your area grows Christmas trees.

Good Tool

[Manwich]

Psh... Knives..... Amateur.

http://www.biggerhammer.net/mgshoot/kcrfall2k/flamethrower_straight.jpg

[LIhikers]

My wife and I have been considering a machete for our work as AT Boundary Monitors. We have a some places where there are heavy thorns to make our way through. If you google "forestry supplies" you'll find any number of places that sell them. And it seems they come in all sizes and shapes.

[Wise Old Owl]

Thanks LI Hikers,

The Gerber I just found would do just as well

http://www.forestry-suppliers.com/drilldown_pages/view_category.asp?cat=203

[Hooch]

http://images.cabelas.com/is/image/cabelas/s7_519320_imageset_01?$main-Medium$

Great, jus what we need here. Another ninja. :rolleyes::D

[Wise Old Owl]

Well Hooch you do have a point there..... I like it!

[srestrepo]

how many bagels you think you could spread peanut butter onto with one fell swoop of that thing if they were placed right...

[leaftye]

Are these bagels toasted?

[srestrepo]

absolutely

[Nean]

I upgraded and got one with a corkscrew. Great for cheese too.

[Doooglas]

Look for IMACASA, Tramontina or Corneta machetes.
Homeless Despot might carry one of them.
Get a bolo style for thorny stuff.

[Spogatz]

I like the fact that the Gerber has a saw blade on the backside of the blade. Does it work pretty good?

[GeneralLee10]

That is not Practicing The Leave No Trace now is it?:-?:D

[Spokes]

Does it come with a nail file?

[Wise Old Owl]

That is not Practicing The Leave No Trace now is it?:-?:D


Its practicing - Leave no blood, leave no ripped clothing, etc..... Do you see the trail down the middle of the picture?

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg275/MarkSwarbrick/GoatHill004.jpg

[JAK]

Look for a Tramontina, made in Brazil, $10.
I have the 18" with a wooden handle, weighs a little over a pound.
This fellow has the same one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d0fgWdVJKU

It works very well. The blade is not to thick and not to thin. The extra weight on the end helps you get through thicker stuff when you strike it closer to the handle. I used it in the backyard to slash down a big pile of brush, and last years Christmas tree. It was a pleasure to use, and I still have all my body parts, last count.

[JAK]

This guy know alot more than I do:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVHeKNbRXgc&feature=related

[Jester2000]

I realize that many of the readers here are anti-knife . . .

There are people on here who are "anti-knife?!?"

[birdog]

machetes?.. we have no machetes.....we dont got to show you no stinkin' machetes

[Dances with Mice]

For what it's worth: In Costa Rica the guides in the rain forest usually had two machetes - everyone had a Condor brand bolo style machete for clearing the vines and stuff that grew over the trail or canals overnight, about 15 - 18" long. It was used for doing everything from clearing out vegetation to knocking open a coconut.

Some also carried a shorter "Rambo" looking 12" knife. It might have been more of a fish / game dressing knife but it also chopped vegetation very well. Maybe the reason they liked it was that the Rambo was short enough to wear on a belt sheath and easier to carry. And it had a bottle opener.

I found both here. (http://machetespecialists.com/seeallmachetes.html) The Rambo is by Imacasa but Condor brand was their favorite for long machetes.

[JAK]

I liked the second video where the guy suggested an 'Ontario' type blade.

What I learned from that was I was using the wrong technique in my backyard. I used the 18" blade, which was a good choice, but when going through some thicker stuff I found it useful and effective to strike closer to the handle, which I thought allowed the momentum of the weight of the tip of the blade to act with greater force. However, this fellow says the last half of the blade should be doing all of the slashing work.

I noticed so extra wear near the handle, even after just 10 hours or so. I think if I had the blade even sharper, and with better practice, I should have been able to do all the heavy slashing using the last half of the blade as he suggested, with less wear, and more even wear, and perhaps also less risk of injury. Not sure.

I think what he said about the shorter but still heavy 'Ontario' type blade being better for hardwood saplings, and the 18" being better for Brazil, was also interesting. For winter camping, I still like my 1 pound hatchet. I don't use it for much, but it is handy, and easy to work in the cold for light duty. I can chop through ice, hammer a nail, and split wood for my small hobbo stove. When its really cold, snapping small branches isn't always effective because you don't know if they are dry or just frozen. Also with the small hatchet, I can make a proper shelter and warming/drying fire if I ever need to, like after a fall through ice, or being stuck out a few extra days in extreme weather or a broken ski or something like that.

The machete would be much better for clearing a trail though, where appropriate to do so. Even here in the city park, where we have alot of trails, you can't expect the park folks to do all the trail maintenance. If there is a fallen tree or something like that, as long as you know what you are doing, hack away. Better that then having people make a new path around it.

[The Solemates]

Its practicing - Leave no blood, leave no ripped clothing, etc..... Do you see the trail down the middle of the picture?

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg275/MarkSwarbrick/GoatHill004.jpg

compared to some places where i've hiked this looks like a great well defined trail!

[shelterbuilder]

That is not Practicing The Leave No Trace now is it?:-?:D

I agree with WOO - there are some places where you need to "help out" the local maintainer - just as long as you don't get too carried away!:eek: The picture seems to show one such place...in years past, I've seen places along the AT where a machete could have come in handy.

Way, WAY back in the day (D. Boone's day), a double-bit axe was a good thing to have. One bit was sharpened "blunt-sharp" for chopping logs, firewood, etc., but the other bit was sharpened "feather-sharp" - this bit could be used for opening a trail through the brush. Just a swipe down the trunk of a small tree could remove all of the small branches that were in the way, so you could walk without being torn apart by the underbrush. (This was also the time when "browse-beds" were also popular, but THAT'S another thread!)

But a sharp machete seems to be a much better tool for this purpose.

[coheterojo]

That machete the OP was wondering about is a real piece of junk. It comes with a cord-wrapped handle that comes unwound on the 1st or 2nd strike and the quality of the steel is similar to that used in cap guns. Mine broke right above the handle the second time I took it out in the field.

Not to mention the balance sucks. A good 18'" machete like those mentioned above will do a far better job and will last years, not minutes.

[zelph]

You're suppose to go around the brambles, not through them:rolleyes:

[Wise Old Owl]

That machete the OP was wondering about is a real piece of junk. It comes with a cord-wrapped handle that comes unwound on the 1st or 2nd strike and the quality of the steel is similar to that used in cap guns. Mine broke right above the handle the second time I took it out in the field.

Not to mention the balance sucks. A good 18'" machete like those mentioned above will do a far better job and will last years, not minutes.

Thanks for bringing that to my attention, I missed it, but it is full tang and I can add or change the handle. I just need to take out the brambles and pricker bush, not vines. The better than nothing is the stuff they have at camping stores from China, easily bent, heavy, and incredibly dull,

[coheterojo]

7745Mine came with the always convenient, detachable handle.

[nox]

I have, and love my "oh Sh%t knife" the SOG Jungle fusion. Before you buy anything you might want to check it out. http://www.cabelas.com/p-0043338517691a.shtml

[Dances with Mice]

I just need to take out the brambles and pricker bush, not vines. It's easier faster and less effort to take out brambles and bushes with a pair of loppers (http://www.handhelpers.com/sitedirector/site/product.cfm?id=F82E7B52-7E95-4B3D-249F7D9FF02BC235). Probably lighter tool, too.

[JAK]

I have, and love my "oh Sh%t knife" the SOG Jungle fusion. Before you buy anything you might want to check it out. http://www.cabelas.com/p-0043338517691a.shtml
Blade might be to thick for machete work.

You want to be able to go through 1.5" hardwood saplings in one swoop.

With the Ontario blade you can still do some chopping if you need to.
You could also add some other features, like that video shows.

The blade should be neither too thick nor too thin though. It can get the weight it needs from depth and length. The thinner blade can go through thicker stuff, but not if too thin. You also need a little twist or sideways action, and that won't work if the blade is too thin. Most survival type blades are too thick though. They can still slash in one swoop, but not as thick.

Clippers will work, but not as fast as a machete, and not multi-functional.

[Wise Old Owl]

guess I learned something.... this sword style might not be enough.

Coheterojo, full tang is very important, the last thing anyone needs is the two pieces to come apart when swinging the blade, one could get seriously injured in the field.

[coheterojo]

Perhaps the intended sarcasm of my post was not understood as such. I was showing the results of the second swing of said POS on a 2" diameter pine.

I was not very happy w the result. This is the exact blade that you are referring to in your original post.

[Wise Old Owl]

Yep you are right, I missed it. but a 2" with a sword? It could not be intended for that.

[coheterojo]

Maybe not but my good ole Incolma Gavilan model machete that I bought in Panama in 1983 has hacked through gazillions of things that it probably wasn't designed for without a single problem.

Just sayin'.

[GeneralLee10]

Survey shops have Machetes. Something you could look for in your area. I have one that has been used at work for many years now. It is an Ontario Knife the best one I have ever found. Has some weight to it which makes it better for thicker limbs.

The picture you show is more like work than a pleasure to walk through. Why would anyone want to do such a thing just to be in the woods? Just curious, maybe you have a good reason for doing such things. I am not anti knife but think that is foolish to do such a things for enjoyment. Do you do this with your pack on? Seems like you will get very sweaty doing line cutting with a pack on.

[JAK]

You should definitely be able to go after a 2" pine with a machete.

[JAK]

Survey shops have Machetes. Something you could look for in your area. I have one that has been used at work for many years now. It is an Ontario Knife the best one I have ever found. Has some weight to it which makes it better for thicker limbs.

The picture you show is more like work than a pleasure to walk through. Why would anyone want to do such a thing just to be in the woods? Just curious, maybe you have a good reason for doing such things. I am not anti knife but think that is foolish to do such a things for enjoyment. Do you do this with your pack on? Seems like you will get very sweaty doing line cutting with a pack on.:confused:
Not all trails have magic trail fairies like the AT.

good idea about checking out survey shops though

[GeneralLee10]

[QUOTE=JAK;952374]:confused:
Not all trails have magic trail fairies like the AT.

I know that, as I have encountered some well over grown sections in Fl.

So what your are trying to say is that you carry a machete. Which is cool, not something I am going to do anymore. Yes I have and find it a waste time energy and weight. All a person is doing is adding to possibility's of getting hurt a bad cut could happen with a machete. When you have wet and sweaty hands it can slip out of your hand. You can very easily miss swing and the thing go flying in your direction. No the little gay wrist strap will not save you if anything it will make the injury worse.

[man2th]

have a look at cold steels kukri machette, light weight and less than 20$

[coheterojo]

I have never carried my machete on the AT. Or on any backpacking trip ever. It is a great tool for all sorts of things but would be overkill for hiking.

I live close to the Swamp Fox passage of the Palmetto Trail here in SC and often do a little trail maintainence w said machete.

It's fun to chop things up into tiny little bits! Relieves stress, asserts my manhood and all that good stuff. There's a certain rare pleasure to be obtained from cleaving things in twain at the flick of a wrist. But ... I digress.

The OP's featured blade is not suited for anything more than occupying space IMO.

[vamelungeon]

I have an Ontario machete at home that I use for clearing briars and what not. I have used it to split wood before, hitting it with a wooden maul.

[TD55]

You should definitely be able to go after a 2" pine with a machete.

Why the heck would you cut a "2 pine on the AT? Why would you cut a "2 tree of any kind in a NF or NP or on or near hiking trail? If it is dead wood you can break it into pieces. If a person feels compelled to carry a tool of this sort, why wouldn't you want to carry a good quality tool instead of a sub standard cheap piece of crap that does nothing other than look cool in a catalog?

[JAK]

[QUOTE=JAK;952374]:confused:
Not all trails have magic trail fairies like the AT.

I know that, as I have encountered some well over grown sections in Fl.

So what your are trying to say is that you carry a machete. Which is cool, not something I am going to do anymore. Yes I have and find it a waste time energy and weight. All a person is doing is adding to possibility's of getting hurt a bad cut could happen with a machete. When you have wet and sweaty hands it can slip out of your hand. You can very easily miss swing and the thing go flying in your direction. No the little gay wrist strap will not save you if anything it will make the injury worse.I was just responding to the fellow that said the OP shouldn't have been doing what he was doing. The OP wasn't just out for a hike. He was really doing trail maintenance. Presumably he would be hiking the trail again soon, or he was clearing it for others. A machete was a good choice for that sort of brush, though he probably had the wrong machete. I wasn't advocating routinely carrying a machete on a hike, especially on the AT. I was just defending the OP from someone who questioned why he would be doing trail maintenance. Sorry I wasn't that clear.

[JAK]

Why the heck would you cut a "2 pine on the AT? Why would you cut a "2 tree of any kind in a NF or NP or on or near hiking trail? If it is dead wood you can break it into pieces. If a person feels compelled to carry a tool of this sort, why wouldn't you want to carry a good quality tool instead of a sub standard cheap piece of crap that does nothing other than look cool in a catalog?Dude.
This thread isn't about carrying a machete while hiking the AT.
It is about trail maintenance, or more specifically, about machetes.

A real machete is a very useful tool, and cost about $10.
A cheap machete is a dangerous tool, and cost about $10.
Then there are various fancy blades you can pay $100 or more for.
I wasn't talking about those.

I think folks are jumping to conclusions.
Maybe this thread should be moved to trail maintenance.

[JAK]

This thread should be moved to trail maintenance.

[Chance09]

cold steel is having a sale on a few of their machetes you might want to check out.

[Old Hiker]

Wally-World had a Fiskars machete-looking brush knife that seemed pretty sturdy and well made. I've had great luck with any Fiskars products. The brush knife had a hook on the back side for heavier brush and a machete like blade for lighter stuff. I can't yet justify the $20 or so, as I have 4(!) trees in my yards, but I'd like one for the FL brush on overgrown trails here around Tampa.

[Wise Old Owl]

Why the heck would you cut a "2 pine on the AT? Why would you cut a "2 tree of any kind in a NF or NP or on or near hiking trail? If it is dead wood you can break it into pieces. If a person feels compelled to carry a tool of this sort, why wouldn't you want to carry a good quality tool instead of a sub standard cheap piece of crap that does nothing other than look cool in a catalog?

When I started this thread I was thinking hiking in general, I wasn't talking about the AT as it is well maintained. However the best of campfires end up with long 2" branches that extend out into the brush from the cleaned circle of leaves and brush. From a safety standpoint and anti trip I like to break up the fallen debris and chop into a manageable useful pieces. I was shootin for lightweight.

[tammons]

Stay away from the gerber gator. First time out bent the blade.
Threw it in the trash.
The saw is worthless.

This saw on the other hand is worth a million and very sharp.

http://www.knivesplus.com/GB-46048-Gerber.HTML

Personally I would like to have a mears type perang, but I cant find one of this exact design.




Thanks LI Hikers,

The Gerber I just found would do just as well

http://www.forestry-suppliers.com/drilldown_pages/view_category.asp?cat=203

[Wise Old Owl]

Thanks to everybody who posted this was a great help