Not Responsible for Heart Attacks

[Mountain Wildman]

Check out this gear list, What do you think? Have I forgotten anything?



　
　
　
Columbia Aviator Glove Brown Medium
Merrell Robotic Shoes Charcoal
Asolo Fugitive GTX Hiking Boots
Wind and Go Mini LED Lantern
MSR Deep Dish Plate/Large/Grey
MSR Deep Dish Plate/Medium/Blue
GSI Outdoors Extreme Frypan/8 in.
GSI Outdoors DukJug Infinity 1L. Water Bottle
MSR Packtowl Pack Shower 30 L.
Alite Monarch Butterfly Chair/Navy
Rite in the Rain 4” X 6” pad
MSR Mugmate Coffee/Tea Filter
Black Diamond Trail Ergo Cork Trekking Poles
Camelbak Unbottle 100 oz. Blue/Graphite
UCO Grilliput Compact BBQ Grill
GSI 10” Camp Bugaboo Fry pan
MSR Quick 2 Pot Set
Fenix LD20 Flashlight and Diffuser
Supreme Products Pocket Chainsaw - Military Version
Fire cap Fire Steel
First Need XL Water Purifier
Black Diamond Trekking Pole Tip Protectors
Light My Fire XM Spork Metallic Green
Snow Peak Trek 700 Titanium Cooker
Light My Fire Regular Spork Yellow
Big Agnes Sleeping Giant Deluxe Pillow
MSR Alpine Kitchen Set
Sea to Summit Kitchen Sink 10LT
Outdoor Research Lightweight Dry Sack Blue jay, 25 Liters
AMK Heatsheets One Person Emergency Blanket
Adventure Medical Kits UltraLight & Watertight .7
O.P. SAK Odor Proof Barrier Bags (3pk) 9 x 10 in.
Survival Bandana
Sea to Summit Tek Towel XS 12 x 24 in.
Sea to Summit Ultra Sil Dry Sack XXS 1 Liter
Brunton 8800 Pocket Survival Kit
Therm-a-rest NeoAir Sleeping Pad Large
Patagonia Men’s Capilene 2 Crew Molten Lava XXL
Patagonia Men’s Capilene 3 Bottoms Black XXL
Patagonia Men’s Capilene 3 Zip-Neck Molten Lava XXL
GSI Infinity DukJug 1L Peace Green
Dr. Bronner’s Organic Liquid Soap Peppermint
Arc’Teryx Atom LT Jacket Miro Blue XXL
Sea to Summit Outhouse
Therm-a-rest Fast & Light Repair Kit
Eagle Creek Pack-it Shoe Sac
Carson RV-826 Raven Compact Binocular, Black
Trail Designs Caldera Cone System for Snow Peak 700
Caldera Caddy Sack For Snow Peak 700 System
What Knot Bandana
Outdoor Research BugOut Gaiters Tan, Extra Large
Gorillapod Blue
Winter Wren Sleeping Bag-NanoSphere-Charcoal - 850 Down
Marmot Precip Jacket Skyline Blue
Snow Peak Titanium Double Wall Cup 600
Eagle Creek Pack-It Sac XS - 7.5 X 3.5 Tree Frog Green
Outdoor Research Accessory Strap 48 inches
Sea to Summit Ultra-Sil Dry Sack XS 2Liter
Mountain Hardwear Men’s Wicked Lite T SS Shirt Stainless
Mountain Hardwear Men’s Wicked Lite T SS Shirt North Sea
Outdoor Research Durable Dry Sack Cayenne 10 Liter
Arc’teryx Vestigio Beanie Wisteria
Marmot Men’s Zeus Jacket Vapor Blue XXL
Etowah Outfitters Backpacking Tarp Camo 12 X 10
Integral Designs Silcoat Stuff Sack Grey Small
Outdoor Research Deluxe Spring Ring Head net
Outdoor Research Wind Pro Balaclava S/M
GSI Outdoors Micro Table
Appalachian Trail Thru-Hike Planner: 4th Edition
Nite Ize F9S-03-BT09 Small Figure 9 with Cord, Four-Pack
Light My Fire Titanium Spork
Mystery Ranch G7000 Red/Ti Backpack, Lg. Waist, Med. Yoke
KJV Compact Bible, Lg. Pnt, Bond. Leath.Brown w/snap flap
TickTwister O'TOM Pack
TickTwister Pro Pack
Stephenson Warmlite Tent 2RSL Grey ends Med. Blue mid.
Columbia Sportswear Youngs River Falls Shorts Fossil XL
Canari Static Waterproof Gloves Black Large
Aquis Microfiber Sports Towel White 19” X 39”
Terramar 4 Way Stretch Full Briefs Black XL
Pacific Outdoor Pack Pinata Food Storage DryBag Wasabi 25L
　
　
　
　
　

　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　

　
　
　
　
　

　


　

　
　

　
　

[JustaTouron]

You seem to have everything but one of these.....

http://www.rei.com/product/758050

[JustaTouron]

never mind...i just realized you do have one of those on the list...

[10-K]

toothbrush

(the table, grill and frying pan are nice touches.. you'll be a popular guy at the shelters)

[Mountain Wildman]

toothbrush

(the table, grill and frying pan are nice touches.. you'll be a popular guy at the shelters)

It's in the kit with toothpaste and floss. Did not list the little stuff.
Still a few more things to get like Headlamp and a couple clothing items.

[Pacific Tortuga]

are you a body builder? M pack belt and XXL jacket's.

[JustaTouron]

Two questions if you don't mind me asking....how much does all this weigh? and how much did you spend?

Seems like you have a lot of expensive heavy stuff.

[Mountain Wildman]

I am a big guy I guess.
5' 11" 285lbs.
And I have no problem lifting and carrying weight.
40 pounds on my back feels like there is nothing there.

[Pacific Tortuga]

are you a body builder? M pack belt and XXL jacket's.

sorry, never mind :o

[Mountain Wildman]

toothbrush

(the table, grill and frying pan are nice touches.. you'll be a popular guy at the shelters)


I don't plan to use shelters, I bought a good tent.

[Mountain Wildman]

Two questions if you don't mind me asking....how much does all this weigh? and how much did you spend?

Seems like you have a lot of expensive heavy stuff.

Total weight without food and water is about 50 lbs. give or take a few.
Total pack weight should be around 60 to 65.
Don't want to go too heavy.
May not use everything on my Thru-Hike.
I bought everything I thought I would need no matter where I choose to Backpack.
Total cost is a little over 3000 I think, Haven't added it up lately.

[mtnkngxt]

Good twisted ankle or shin splints before this is all over.

[Mountain Wildman]

Good twisted ankle or shin splints before this is all over.

Shhhh, You will jinx me.

[h. hastings]

Why are you packing a chair that isn't rated for your weight?

[Father Dragon]

the survival bandanna might be a little overkill :rolleyes:

[Mountain Wildman]

Why are you packing a chair that isn't rated for your weight?

I am at my winter weight, Haven't gotten into snow sports yet. Just moved to the White Mountains a couple years ago. I will start the A.T. at around 250 and when I complete my Thru, Who knows.
The Chair was tested with over 500 pounds by Alite.
I tested it at around 270.

[Mountain Wildman]

the survival bandanna might be a little overkill :rolleyes:

I thought so too but I figure the bright orange might be handy during hunting season.

[Mountain Wildman]

So my list looks pretty good eh?
I thought I might have over done it a little.

[tuswm]

Just for fun I organized your random list.....one word comes to mind... redundancy.


cooking
MSR Deep Dish Plate/Large/Grey
MSR Deep Dish Plate/Medium/Blue


First Need XL Water Purifier
Camelbak Unbottle 100 oz. Blue/Graphite
GSI Outdoors DukJug Infinity 1L. Water Bottle
GSI Infinity DukJug 1L Peace Green

GSI Outdoors Extreme Frypan/8 in.
GSI 10” Camp Bugaboo Fry pan
MSR Alpine Kitchen Set
MSR Quick 2 Pot Set
Caldera Caddy Sack For Snow Peak 700 set
Snow Peak Trek 700 Titanium Cooker
Trail Designs Caldera Cone System for Snow Peak 700
Snow Peak Titanium Double Wall Cup 600
UCO Grilliput Compact BBQ Grill



Light My Fire XM Spork Metallic Green
Light My Fire Titanium Spork
Light My Fire Regular Spork Yellow

Dr. Bronner’s Organic Liquid Soap Peppermint
MSR Mugmate Coffee/Tea Filter
Sea to Summit Kitchen Sink 10LT


Big "4"

Mystery Ranch G7000 Red/Ti Backpack, Lg. Waist, Med. Yoke
Therm-a-rest Fast & Light Repair Kit
Therm-a-rest NeoAir Sleeping Pad Large
Big Agnes Sleeping Giant Deluxe Pillow
Winter Wren Sleeping Bag-NanoSphere-Charcoal - 850 Down
Etowah Outfitters Backpacking Tarp Camo 12 X 10
Stephenson Warmlite Tent 2RSL Grey ends Med. Blue mid.
Nite Ize F9S-03-BT09 Small Figure 9 with Cord, Four-Pack






clothes
Merrell Robotic Shoes Charcoal
Asolo Fugitive GTX Hiking Boots
Outdoor Research BugOut Gaiters Tan, Extra Large
Gorillapod Blue
Black Diamond Trail Ergo Cork Trekking Poles
Black Diamond Trekking Pole Tip Protectors

What Knot Bandana
Survival Bandana

Arc’teryx Vestigio Beanie Wisteria
Outdoor Research Deluxe Spring Ring Head net
Outdoor Research Wind Pro Balaclava S/M
Columbia Aviator Glove Brown Medium
Canari Static Waterproof Gloves Black Large

Terramar 4 Way Stretch Full Briefs Black XL
Patagonia Men’s Capilene 2 Crew Molten Lava XXL
Patagonia Men’s Capilene 3 Bottoms Black XXL
Patagonia Men’s Capilene 3 Zip-Neck Molten Lava XXL

Arc’Teryx Atom LT Jacket Miro Blue XXL
Marmot Precip Jacket Skyline Blue
Marmot Men’s Zeus Jacket Vapor Blue XXL

Mountain Hardwear Men’s Wicked Lite T SS Shirt Stainless
Mountain Hardwear Men’s Wicked Lite T SS Shirt North Sea
Columbia Sportswear Youngs River Falls Shorts Fossil XL


"luxury"

MSR Packtowl Pack Shower 30 L.
Alite Monarch Butterfly Chair/Navy
Carson RV-826 Raven Compact Binocular, Black
GSI Outdoors Micro Table

Sea to Summit Tek Towel XS 12 x 24 in.

Pacific Outdoor Pack Pinata Food Storage DryBag Wasabi 25L
Eagle Creek Pack-it Shoe Sac
Sea to Summit Outhouse
Sea to Summit Ultra Sil Dry Sack XXS 1 Liter
Eagle Creek Pack-It Sac XS - 7.5 X 3.5 Tree Frog Green
Sea to Summit Ultra-Sil Dry Sack XS 2Liter
O.P. SAK Odor Proof Barrier Bags (3pk) 9 x 10 in.
KJV Compact Bible, Lg. Pnt, Bond. Leath.Brown w/snap flap
Outdoor Research Durable Dry Sack Cayenne 10 Liter
Integral Designs Silcoat Stuff Sack Grey Small
Outdoor Research Lightweight Dry Sack Blue jay, 25 Liters
TickTwister O'TOM Pack
TickTwister Pro Pack

Rite in the Rain 4” X 6” pad
Aquis Microfiber Sports Towel White 19” X 39”
Outdoor Research Accessory Strap 48 inches



safety

Wind and Go Mini LED Lantern
Fenix LD20 Flashlight and Diffuser
Fire cap Fire Steel
Supreme Products Pocket Chainsaw - Military Version

AMK Heatsheets One Person Emergency Blanket
Adventure Medical Kits UltraLight & Watertight .7
Brunton 8800 Pocket Survival Kit
Appalachian Trail Thru-Hike Planner: 4th Edition



What about socks, wallet and advil for camp after carrying that pack?:p

[Slo-go'en]

Everything but the kitchen sink in that list! I'm sure you need one of those too.

[Mountain Wildman]

Just for fun I organized your random list.....one word comes to mind... redundancy.



What about socks, wallet and advil for camp after carrying that pack?:p

Wallet not listed-Maxpedition Spartan Wallet-Black
2 Pr. Exofficio Light Hiker Socks-Insect Shield
2 Pr. Exofficio Medium Hiker Socks-Insect Shield
Prescription Naproxen in First Aid Kit along with Prescription Flexorall(Muscle Relaxer)
Forgot to put these things on the list

[Mountain Wildman]

Everything but the kitchen sink in that list! I'm sure you need one of those too.

Sea to Summit Kitchen Sink should be on the list.

[Mountain Wildman]

Just for fun I organized your random list.....one word comes to mind... redundancy.



What about socks, wallet and advil for camp after carrying that pack?:p

Very true,
Quite a few items were impulse purchases, As I read more on this site and Trail Journals I adjusted my buying strategy, I returned some of the bigger items but didn't bother with little things like dishes etc...

[Rockhound]

I certainly hope this is a joke gear list. A cursory glance and seeing things like pack shower? BBQ Grill? pot SET? micro table? head net? 12X10 tarp? Tells me you are going to regret those first 30 miles untin you drop 20 needless pounds and ship it home at Mt Crossings. Hope you kept the receipts.

[Rockhound]

After over a year on this site have you learned nothing?

[Mountain Wildman]

After over a year on this site have you learned nothing?

Well,
A good portion of the list was impulse buying, Something catches my eye and I buy it. It is not a joke list but I'm sure it ellicited a few smiles, Come on, admit it.
Anyway, This is a complete list for all Backpacking I have planned, The A.T. is only the beginning, I will be hiking out west and possibly in other countries where resupply is less available as on the A.T.
This is not by any means my A.T. Thru-Hike list.
Only some of the gear will be on my Thru.
Like most of us, I have busted my butt working hard my whole life, Now it's time to enjoy myself a little.
Have I over done it? I think so.
Have I over indulged myself, Absolutely.
But if I don't treat myself well, Who will?

[Toolumpy]

Twice the enjoyment with 1/2 the weight.:sun:o;)

[tuswm]

Dude if you want to carry all of that DO IT.

[Rockhound]

You are not treating yourself by carrying a lot of extra weight comprised of crap you will never use.

[Mountain Wildman]

You are not treating yourself by carrying a lot of extra weight comprised of crap you will never use.

I don't know about that, I have been camping for 26 years and I have used some version of everything on my list, Some items on the list I wished I had during many of my trips.
I admit I am new to Backpacking and I will be shaking down my gear over the spring and summer, I live very close to the A.T. and that's where I will test everything. I have worked in construction and lifted very heavy weights daily.
When I hear weights like 15 pound total pack weights, That sounds like carrying my lunch bag. :-)

[Roland]

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When I hear weights like 15 pound total pack weights, That sounds like carrying my lunch bag. :-)

Ha, ha, ha. Great line!

Thanks for the chuckle.

[Rockhound]

Let us know when it's time to say "we told you so." I am the king of needless weight and even I'm looking at your list shaking my head.

[Mountain Wildman]

I have more gear on the way,
Still waiting for a Sea to Summit 90 Liter Pack Liner.
A Fenix HP 10 Headlamp and The Packa in XL.

[Rockhound]

so a headlamp, a lantern and a flashlight. Love the mini chainsaw too. *** would you ever carry one? absolutely no need ever for one of those hiking/camping. In fact it may not even be allowed along the A.T. You are either completely off your rocker or pulling our legs. "Vanna, I'd like to buy a clue please."

[Mountain Wildman]

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/botach_2096_357131366 (http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/botach_2096_356695498)This is it, Small and light.
Not a gas or electric powered chainsaw.
Come on!!!!!

[Hoot]

I have worked in construction and lifted very heavy weights daily.
When I hear weights like 15 pound total pack weights, That sounds like carrying my lunch bag. :-)

Pretty much all the hikes i've ever done have been one day hikes i do sort of think this is a bit of a diffrence maker- your size and work history- what ya say your packs weight was? around 50?

Ive spent most my life in construction as well, and am quite used to working with heavy loads, carrying 50-100 lb loads all day 8-10 hrs a day, sometimes including that weight going up ladders 2 stories tall. I tend to think that can make a bit of a diffrence. at 6'1 or 6'2 and 225 im not going to find a 50 lb pack intimidating.

Im hoping to be ready for my thru hike next yr and am working on going as lite as possible with reguler gear- then adding my photography gear to that. I'm not going to have a 50 lb pack, but 40 could be within the realm of possibility.

I think some of the advice has been good, and u see that, some of ur gear is redundent, other things your carrying for you own comfort- hey its your hike, if ur willing to accept the added weight in return for the extra features, thats up to you. I'll be carrying a lot more camera gear than most hikers would take along. For me the camera gear is important, the photographic opprtuniies my hike presents is one of my main reasons for wanting to thru hike. if i couldnt handle the weight of the camera gear, i just wouldnt attempt a thru hike.

but in the end, its your hike, take what ya will, maybe some will be sent home, maybe for some reason the choice of taking on so much weight will cause you to be unable to complete your hike. maybe what you take with ya will not hender you and you'll have the time of your life.

btw, ur right about a 15 lb pack,, if i hear about a 15 pound pack i'm wondering if they were planning to stop in town for supper as well. :D

[Mountain Wildman]

Pretty much all the hikes i've ever done have been one day hikes i do sort of think this is a bit of a diffrence maker- your size and work history- what ya say your packs weight was? around 50?

Ive spent most my life in construction as well, and am quite used to working with heavy loads, carrying 50-100 lb loads all day 8-10 hrs a day, sometimes including that weight going up ladders 2 stories tall. I tend to think that can make a bit of a diffrence. at 6'1 or 6'2 and 225 im not going to find a 50 lb pack intimidating.

Im hoping to be ready for my thru hike next yr and am working on going as lite as possible with reguler gear- then adding my photography gear to that. I'm not going to have a 50 lb pack, but 40 could be within the realm of possibility.

I think some of the advice has been good, and u see that, some of ur gear is redundent, other things your carrying for you own comfort- hey its your hike, if ur willing to accept the added weight in return for the extra features, thats up to you. I'll be carrying a lot more camera gear than most hikers would take along. For me the camera gear is important, the photographic opprtuniies my hike presents is one of my main reasons for wanting to thru hike. if i couldnt handle the weight of the camera gear, i just wouldnt attempt a thru hike.

but in the end, its your hike, take what ya will, maybe some will be sent home, maybe for some reason the choice of taking on so much weight will cause you to be unable to complete your hike. maybe what you take with ya will not hender you and you'll have the time of your life.

btw, ur right about a 15 lb pack,, if i hear about a 15 pound pack i'm wondering if they were planning to stop in town for supper as well. :D

Exactly,
You know, Actually we don't carry lunch bags on construction sites, We use coolers, my Igloo cooler probably weighs 3 or 4 pounds empty. Add food, ice, plenty of water, you end up around 15 pounds I guess, never weighed it, It was definitely lighter than the stuff I had to pick up or carry for 10 to 14 hours a day.
I realize my list contains redundant items, Like I said, I saw no sense in returning 4 dollar items for credit since everything was bought on line and would cost more for shipping. Some things may end up on here for sale.
My plan is to pack everything and hike up the A.T. for a couple nights, If I can't handle it I will call my buddy, he will drive over and take gear home for me.

[rickb]

Squeaky was a full-time hod carrier before he hiked, right?

You might do a search on him for some ideas from someone with a similar work history.

[Rockhound]

It's not a question of being able to carry the weight. In 07' I weighed in at Neel Gap at 63# Could I have kept carrying that weight? Sure,but why would I want to? I laugh at the 15# packs too. They kind of go to the other extreme. There is a happy medium. a 40 to 45 pound pack (including food and water) will carry everything you would ever need and many of the things you just want. You seem like one of those people that will just have to learn from your mistakes. I am too.

[jesse]

I am a big guy I guess.
5' 11" 285lbs.
And I have no problem lifting and carrying weight.
40 pounds on my back feels like there is nothing there.

I'd whittle the weight down to 40# and go. Doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.

Pebble Puppy you seem angry with his pack weight.

[Rockhound]

I aint mad. Just trying to help a guy out. Sounds like he's gonna learn the hard way..

[LimpsAlong]

When are you leaving and can I follow along behind you?

[Mountain Wildman]

I appreciate all the comments, I try to laugh at my list, the sad truth is I started spending too quickly and as you can tell, Bought things I could probably do without.
I am not rich and could have banked a little more for my hikes instead.
Like I said in prior posts, I plan to do more than a few shakedown hikes before 2011 and my goal is to carry a 30 to 40 pound pack or there abouts with food and water included on my A.T. Thru-Hike. I tried to buy quality gear and a good portion of it due to posts I've read on this site. If not for Whiteblaze my pack weight would probably be closer to 100 pounds. Could I carry it, Of course, Would I enjoy it, not likely.
I certainly do not aspire to be an Ultralight backpacker, I like comfort and as you can tell have an affinity for gadgets and gear. I wish I could say my list is a joke buts its not. I will never cut my toothbrush in half and drill holes in the handle, but I will try to go as lightweight as possible without sacrificing comfort or safety.

[Mountain Wildman]

When are you leaving and can I follow along behind you?

In the spring, Why do you want to follow behind me?

[Rockhound]

Working construction to hiking is kind of like football to soccer. While either can provide some physical preparation for the other, it's not quite the same. A soccer player would be great at endurance, constantly running up and down the field but may not have the sheer physical strength to excel at football. Likewise Your average NFL player is great at short intense bursts of of incredible strength and energy but would soon drop of exhaustion if they were required to maintain that for any extended period. Construction, like football, is very physical,but in short bursts throughout the day. When hiking, that pack is on you constantly on your back while you are walking up and down mountains.

[LimpsAlong]

I plan to do more than a few shakedown hikes before 2011 and my goal is to carry a 30 to 40 pound pack or there abouts with food and water included on my A.T. Thru-Hike..

OK, thats mo' better. I was afeared for you there for a while!

[Rockhound]

I don't say this to discourage, just saying hiking may not be quite as easy as you expect.

[LimpsAlong]

In the spring, Why do you want to follow behind me?
I was thinking I could pick up some of the discarded gear till I read your latest post. Bad joke timing. Best of luck.

[Rockhound]

I appreciate all the comments, I try to laugh at my list, the sad truth is I started spending too quickly and as you can tell, Bought things I could probably do without.
I am not rich and could have banked a little more for my hikes instead.
Like I said in prior posts, I plan to do more than a few shakedown hikes before 2011 and my goal is to carry a 30 to 40 pound pack or there abouts with food and water included on my A.T. Thru-Hike. I tried to buy quality gear and a good portion of it due to posts I've read on this site. If not for Whiteblaze my pack weight would probably be closer to 100 pounds. Could I carry it, Of course, Would I enjoy it, not likely.
I certainly do not aspire to be an Ultralight backpacker, I like comfort and as you can tell have an affinity for gadgets and gear. I wish I could say my list is a joke buts its not. I will never cut my toothbrush in half and drill holes in the handle, but I will try to go as lightweight as possible without sacrificing comfort or safety.30 to 40 pounds? I had you all wrong. You are one of them there elitist ultralighters.

[Tinker]

I don't know about that, I have been camping for 26 years and I have used some version of everything on my list, Some items on the list I wished I had during many of my trips.
I admit I am new to Backpacking and I will be shaking down my gear over the spring and summer, I live very close to the A.T. and that's where I will test everything. I have worked in construction and lifted very heavy weights daily.
When I hear weights like 15 pound total pack weights, That sounds like carrying my lunch bag. :-)

Dude, 15 lbs. IS my lunch bag (but then my pack, empty, weighs 14 ozs. - the HEAVY winter one is 17 oz).
One must prioritize.
In 2008 I hiked the Hundred Mile Wilderness with a hammock, ENO bug net and a 10x12 tarp, enough clothing to stay warm (barely) and enough food for 10 days (it only took 8), and my pack weight was around 35 lbs. (I wish now that I'd weighed it, but didn't think about it then).
Take what you want. Decide what you're willing to carry as you go. Simple. Don't let others pressure you into something you wouldn't enjoy.

[Mountain Wildman]

Working construction to hiking is kind of like football to soccer. While either can provide some physical preparation for the other, it's not quite the same. A soccer player would be great at endurance, constantly running up and down the field but may not have the sheer physical strength to excel at football. Likewise Your average NFL player is great at short intense bursts of of incredible strength and energy but would soon drop of exhaustion if they were required to maintain that for any extended period. Construction, like football, is very physical,but in short bursts throughout the day. When hiking, that pack is on you constantly on your back while you are walking up and down mountains.

True,
But it depends on what you do on the construction site. I was never in one place more than 10 or 15 minutes. I had to keep up with multiple crews working at multiple locations over a hundred or so acres. Not to say that it gives me an edge as a hiker, but I didn't stand in one place and swing a hammer.
I know that I can walk for long distances and being that I was on my feet for 10 to 14 hours a day with less than 30 minutes of sitting time, I figure I have a little bit of a head start. Hiking I can always stop and rest when needed, On the job they want you to keep moving. Believe me, I am sick of the words Keep Moving!!!!! Glad to be done with that project!!!

[Mountain Wildman]

Dude, 15 lbs. IS my lunch bag (but then my pack, empty, weighs 14 ozs. - the HEAVY winter one is 17 oz).
One must prioritize.
In 2008 I hiked the Hundred Mile Wilderness with a hammock, ENO bug net and a 10x12 tarp, enough clothing to stay warm (barely) and enough food for 10 days (it only took 8), and my pack weight was around 35 lbs. (I wish now that I'd weighed it, but didn't think about it then).
Take what you want. Decide what you're willing to carry as you go. Simple. Don't let others pressure you into something you wouldn't enjoy.

Absolutely not,
I march to my own beat. I see the pictures of Ultralight backpacking, Sitting on the ground, mice running across your face as you sleep, holes in the food bag with bites taken out of your all too precious food. I admit I admire Ultralight backpackers, I wouldnt want to do it, I will carry the extra weight even if it takes me longer. It's not written anywhere that I have to hike a certain amount of miles per day.
I am sure a hike is enjoyable without extra weight, but for me, being a camper my whole life, I am not in it just to hike multiple miles per day. To me, the whole experience includes the sights, smells and a comfortable campsite. There are some items on my list that I will carry even if it kills me, and other things may stay home in the closet.

[Father Dragon]

Working construction to hiking is kind of like football to soccer.

They call hiking working construction in Europe?

[Tipi Walter]

Even I am shocked at your gear list. Question: If you were to go out tomorrow for a 7 day trip, what exactly would you take? I can go with the MR pack and the Warmlite tent and all, but I need a more realistic rundown on a real-world trip. Does your gear list even mention food? If not, add 14lbs for 7 days.

Tell me you Seven Holy Nylons: Tent--Pack--Bag--Pad--Water Bottles--Clothing--Food. Let's just start over.

[10-K]

All that's missing is an earthy female.... :)

[Rocket Jones]

All that's missing is an earthy female.... :)

Or two, for the redundancy. :sun

[wideload2010]

I would not carry as much gear as the original poster, but I can relate to the disconnect between his theory of hiking and the accepted norm often touted on this forum. I am also a man sized man, 6'1" and 270 lbs. My pack with 7-10 days of food is around 38lbs, hardly a struggle for someone my size. That is far lighter than the 85lb pack i used to carry as one of Uncle Sams Misguided Children. These days my body is not as strong as it used to be, but my mind is stronger

I have a hard time understanding the titanium spork crowd.
Now a little history may be in order. While I'm not an avid die-hard hiker, I have an enormous amount of experience with diving. not withstanding the soccer vs. football analogies, the two sports are marketed in the same manner. Both sports have their "song birds" pushing one brand or configuration, because any other way is "wrong".

If you take a bit of the marketing and zealotry away from the discussion on gear you will find that the $3 pot i got from the salvation army cooks water just about as good as the titanium version. The difference, $30. Psychologically the difference is much more complicated. The hiker that carries the titanium pot "knows" his gear is lighter, therefore he has some mythical advantage over the next hiker or just a leg up on gravity. If an ounce makes that much of a difference to you, have at it.

I have to wonder though if a light pack is the sign of a weak mind. I understand that gear has evolved, but I question how much of the evolution is "need" based vs. marketing and profiteering. I purchased an used EMS pack off of ebay for $50, but was initially going to just buy a surplus "alice" pack. Alice packs have served the military well for more than 30 years. I guess you could buy some $200 fancy pack, but why would it be necessary? My guess is it's more vanity than necessity, but it may be simply due to a commissioned sales person's influence. Honestly, it's exactly the same way in diving. We sell regulators made from titanium for about $1500, guess what, they breath the same as a $500 regulator. The only noticeable difference is a couple of ounces in your luggage.

I truly hope that the people I meet on the trail (I'm starting Tuesday) are more interested in enjoying the outdoors than they are in proving how much they can spend on crap they don't need. I guess it takes all kinds in a sport like this, outfitters wouldn't stay open if some "hikers" didn't buy those kinds of things. I don't know if I'll make it all the way to Maine, but I'll be hiking and enjoying the outdoors for the next 7 months.

I think the single most important lesson I've learned on this forum is: hike your own hike.

[Rockhound]

In the beginning especially I think you'll find the gear junkies dominating the campfire conversations. When you hear this you can either walk away or try to steer the conversation elsewhere by saying things like, "Did you see that amazing tree near Bly Gap?" or " I walked into Helen and felt like I was entering the Swiss alps." Of course the responses will tend to be, "Yes, I used my super zoom, megapixel, autofocus, lightweight, waterproof camera to get a good picture" or " Yes, I had to go into Helen to mail back my super light weight high tech poles with the compass/first aid kit that broke." Be warned. Gear Junkies are much like heroin addicts. Can they be cured? Sure. But it is a long difficult withdrawl. Many people remain gear junkies their entire lives. You can try to help but it is quite an undertaking.

[Jim Adams]

shouldn't this be in the humor section?

geek

[J-Rod]

I really would like to see a list of what you plan on taking on your hike
you said not everything is going to come along...so what items do you plan on taking

i feel what you pack is a personal choice ....feel free to bring what you want... BUT

you also must think of your safety ...a 60+lbs pack may sound safe...but you could give yourself a heart attack on the first hill...or fall and break a leg from all the extra weight just a few things to think about...
you did say you were a big guy...i also take that as you are not in Hiking Shape..i have friends that are big guys that hike...but ease yourself into it
for your health and safety

what i would do is pack all your stuff up...and take a short easy hike...and spend a few days out...and make a list of the stuff you used...and the stuff you didn't...and take it from there

i think we all did this when we first started...but after a few trips...and a few lessons learned you will drop alot of that weight...and enjoy yourself more

good luck with your thru-hike

[double d]

I am a big guy I guess.
5' 11" 285lbs.
And I have no problem lifting and carrying weight.
40 pounds on my back feels like there is nothing there.

Dont worry Mountain Wildman, by the time you get to the top of Springer Mt, you will feel that 40 pounds!

[traildust]

Yep. Way to much stuff here my friend. Rethink it now that you have time. Par it down and then sell what's left here or on Ebay and get some of your money back. Keep the tent maybe and sell the tarp. You have time to get it down to 35 lbs including food and water. Your hike depends on it regardless of how big a person you are physically.

[Mountain Wildman]

I really would like to see a list of what you plan on taking on your hike
you said not everything is going to come along...so what items do you plan on taking

i feel what you pack is a personal choice ....feel free to bring what you want... BUT

you also must think of your safety ...a 60+lbs pack may sound safe...but you could give yourself a heart attack on the first hill...or fall and break a leg from all the extra weight just a few things to think about...
you did say you were a big guy...i also take that as you are not in Hiking Shape..i have friends that are big guys that hike...but ease yourself into it
for your health and safety

what i would do is pack all your stuff up...and take a short easy hike...and spend a few days out...and make a list of the stuff you used...and the stuff you didn't...and take it from there

i think we all did this when we first started...but after a few trips...and a few lessons learned you will drop alot of that weight...and enjoy yourself more

good luck with your thru-hike

Taking everything out on a short hike or overnight trip is exactly my plan, As you can obviously see, I started buying things without giving it much thought, Gear junkie?, I am embarrased but yes, I guess so, I will try to break the addiction. It starts out small and snowballs into, well, my list.
I bought a light my fire spork, then read about the XM Spork, a little larger to eat directly out of pouches and thought, why not, good idea and its only a couple bucks and a couple more ounces, then I read that the virtually indestructable spork, does and can break, so I thought, oh no, last thing I need is broken gear, so, I guess I should just go ahead and get the titanium spork and there will be no worries, figuring I could always bring the extra spork, since I am not a so called "gram weenie" and maybe trade it on my hike for some extra food or snacks or just give it to another hiker who is using his or her hands to eat. I should have posted this in the humor forum because I knew it would prompt some laughter and humorous comments. Believe me, I have laughed quite a bit since I posted this yesterday. I will at some point post the final list so you can all see that I am not completely out of my mind but as you can see I went way overboard on gear, I totalled it up and I am at $3500 bucks. OUCH!!!
I can't believe I spent all that money. And there are things not even on the list that I forgot to add. Anyway, Thanks for reading and I hope I added some amusement and hopefully laughter to your day, M.W.

[Tipi Walter]

you also must think of your safety ...a 60+lbs pack may sound safe...but you could give yourself a heart attack on the first hill...or fall and break a leg from all the extra weight just a few things to think about...

Undo fear mongering. So, we know how you feel about a 60lb pack, now how about a 75lb pack?


I will at some point post the final list so you can all see that I am not completely out of my mind but as you can see I went way overboard on gear, I totalled it up and I am at $3500 bucks. OUCH!!!
I can't believe I spent all that money.

That sounds like a lot of money for gear but heck, people spend that much for one CAT scan or to repaint their Ford 150's. Unfortunately, there are probably guys out there who collect backpacking gear like other guys collect DVDs or stamps and never go out and use any of it. Now that would be sad.

[J-Rod]

Taking everything out on a short hike or overnight trip is exactly my plan, As you can obviously see, I started buying things without giving it much thought, Gear junkie?, I am embarrased but yes, I guess so, I will try to break the addiction. It starts out small and snowballs into, well, my list.
I bought a light my fire spork, then read about the XM Spork, a little larger to eat directly out of pouches and thought, why not, good idea and its only a couple bucks and a couple more ounces, then I read that the virtually indestructable spork, does and can break, so I thought, oh no, last thing I need is broken gear, so, I guess I should just go ahead and get the titanium spork and there will be no worries, figuring I could always bring the extra spork, since I am not a so called "gram weenie" and maybe trade it on my hike for some extra food or snacks or just give it to another hiker who is using his or her hands to eat. I should have posted this in the humor forum because I knew it would prompt some laughter and humorous comments. Believe me, I have laughed quite a bit since I posted this yesterday. I will at some point post the final list so you can all see that I am not completely out of my mind but as you can see I went way overboard on gear, I totalled it up and I am at $3500 bucks. OUCH!!!
I can't believe I spent all that money. And there are things not even on the list that I forgot to add. Anyway, Thanks for reading and I hope I added some amusement and hopefully laughter to your day, M.W.

glad to hear your planing on some shorter hikes first...your not the only gear junkie :)
i have a crap load myself...i do the same thing...i see something i like and just buy it...i got it under control but for awhile there i was the same way
i think as you get out more and more you will leave more gear at home..
good luck with everything :sun

[J-Rod]

Undo fear mongering. So, we know how you feel about a 60lb pack, now how about a 75lb pack?


ok......this has nothing to do with trying to push my opinions onto other ..
pack what you wish...but be smart about it
nothing wrong with letting someone know the dangers that may lie ahead

i don't want to see anyone new to the sport jump in head first and get hurt...

[JustaTouron]

Unfortunately, there are probably guys out there who collect backpacking gear like other guys collect DVDs or stamps and never go out and use any of it. Now that would be sad.

I have a friend like that. He spends $500+ per year on hiking equipment. He does go backpacking 2 weekends a year to justify his gear collecting hobby. But his hobby is gear collecting not hiking.

He once referred to the backpackers annual gear guide as the "bible of camping equipment" I got a good laugh out of that.

He has three GPSs. (We follow the same very well blazed path every time we go I looked at the map once the first time we went over 20 years ago and never needed look at it again) So bringing a compass is overkill for our navigational needs. Yet not only did he buy a GPS but upgraded it twice. First upgrade was to get a lighter one that you where like a watch. Then he realized the display was to small so he got a new one.

He has several stoves, tents, packs, cooksets etc.

He has titanium tent pegs.

I love our biannual camping trip. "Show and tell" is so much fun as is my poking fun at him for wasting money on needless crap.

[Don H]

Heck my gear list is longer than yours Wildman, that is my list of stuff I own. Now what I take on a week long AT hike, that's an all together different list. How about posting a list of what you think the absolute minimum is you need to get by for a week.

[Tipi Walter]

QUOTE OF THE DAY
I love this quote I found on BPL.com by a guy named Mike Reid:

"My house was one huge untidy gear room. Piles of stuff lay everywhere and I had stuff that I didn't even know I had."

[J-Rod]

QUOTE OF THE DAY
I love this quote I found on BPL.com by a guy named Mike Reid:

"My house was one huge untidy gear room. Piles of stuff lay everywhere and I had stuff that I didn't even know I had."




LOL that is a good one
i was like that at one time...sold alot off and only kept the gear i use
my motto was if i didn't use it in the last 6 months...it geta sold

[Mountain Wildman]

Heck my gear list is longer than yours Wildman, that is my list of stuff I own. Now what I take on a week long AT hike, that's an all together different list. How about posting a list of what you think the absolute minimum is you need to get by for a week.

I have not been out to test all of my gear yet but I deleted away and came up with what I feel would be close to minimum although some of my comfort items are removed, I am in no way a minimalist or Ultralighter and probably never will be, Not counting knives etc... I guess it would be pretty close to this:
　
　
Columbia Aviator Glove Brown Medium
Asolo Fugitive GTX Hiking Boots
Wind and Go Mini LED Lantern
GSI Outdoors DukJug Infinity 1L. Water Bottle
Alite Monarch Butterfly Chair/Navy
MSR Mugmate Coffee/Tea Filter
Black Diamond Trail Ergo Cork Trekking Poles
Camelbak Unbottle 100 oz. Blue/Graphite
Fenix LD20 Flashlight and Diffuser
Supreme Products Pocket Chainsaw - Military Version
Fire cap Fire Steel
First Need XL Water Purifier
Snow Peak Trek 700 Titanium Cooker
Big Agnes Sleeping Giant Deluxe Pillow
Sea to Summit Kitchen Sink 10LT
Outdoor Research Lightweight Dry Sack Blue jay, 25 Liters
AMK Heatsheets One Person Emergency Blanket
Adventure Medical Kits UltraLight & Watertight .7
O.P. SAK Odor Proof Barrier Bags (3pk) 9 x 10 in.
Survival Bandana
Sea to Summit Tek Towel XS 12 x 24 in.
Brunton 8800 Pocket Survival Kit
Therm-a-rest NeoAir Sleeping Pad Large
Patagonia Men’s Capilene 3 Bottoms Black XXL
Patagonia Men’s Capilene 3 Zip-Neck Molten Lava XXL
Dr. Bronner’s Organic Liquid Soap Peppermint
Therm-a-rest Fast & Light Repair Kit
　
　
Trail Designs Caldera Cone System for Snow Peak 700
Caldera Caddy Sack For Snow Peak 700 System
What Knot Bandana
Outdoor Research BugOut Gaiters Tan, Extra Large
Winter Wren Sleeping Bag-NanoSphere-Charcoal - 850 Down
Marmot Precip Jacket Skyline Blue
Snow Peak Titanium Double Wall Cup 600
Eagle Creek Pack-It Sac XS - 7.5 X 3.5 Tree Frog Green
Sea to Summit Ultra-Sil Dry Sack XS 2Liter
Mountain Hardwear Men’s Wicked Lite T SS Shirt North Sea
Outdoor Research Durable Dry Sack Cayenne 10 Liter
Arc’teryx Vestigio Beanie Wisteria
Marmot Men’s Zeus Jacket Vapor Blue XXL
Integral Designs Silcoat Stuff Sack Grey Small
Outdoor Research Deluxe Spring Ring Head net
Outdoor Research Wind Pro Balaclava S/M
Light My Fire Titanium Spork
Mystery Ranch G7000 Red/Ti Backpack, Lg. Waist, Med. Yoke
KJV Compact Bible, Lg. Pnt, Bond. Leath.Brown w/snap flap
TickTwister O'TOM Pack
Stephenson Warmlite Tent 2RSL Grey ends Med. Blue mid.
Canari Static Waterproof Gloves Black Large
Terramar 4 Way Stretch Full Briefs Black XL
Pacific Outdoor Pack Pinata Food Storage DryBag Wasabi 25L

　
　
　
　
　

　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　

　
　
　
　
　

　


　

　
　

　
　

[Blissful]

Well, take what you want and see what happens with it. I can see at least five or six things to get rid of but that's me. At least leave the sink at home

[Mountain Wildman]

Well, take what you want and see what happens with it. I can see at least five or six things to get rid of but that's me. At least leave the sink at home

The sink is a convenience item, Washing dishes, gathering water for filtering rather than filtering directly, let sediment settle before filtering,
washing myself, and it only weighs 4.4 ounces.

[Egads]

LOL that is a good one
i was like that at one time...sold alot off and only kept the gear i use
my motto was if i didn't use it in the last 6 months...it geta sold

I have winter gear that waits 9-12 months for use. I think your gear plan is short sighted.

[J-Rod]

I have winter gear that waits 9-12 months for use. I think your gear plan is short sighted.

No it's not...i have my winter setup...and my summer setup

here in PA it gets cold come oct.
and doesn't warm up till april...sometimes may

what i should have said was anything thats been sitting there collecting dust i sell..:sun

[Nuthatch]

Sea to Summit Kitchen Sink 10LT
You're bringing a sink that weighs over a quarter-pound?? :confused: :eek:

Agree w/some of the folks that think this whole thread is a joke and that you're pulling our legs here.

[Storm]

You forgot to list the gun you said you were going to carry in another thread.

[Old Hiker]

............ Be warned. Gear Junkies are much like heroin addicts. Can they be cured? Sure. But it is a long difficult withdrawl. Many people remain gear junkies their entire lives. You can try to help but it is quite an undertaking.

Gear junkies anything like hiking addicts?

[Mountain Wildman]

You forgot to list the gun you said you were going to carry in another thread.

Figured it was wiser to omit that but if your interested.
I have a Ruger Super Blackhawk 5 1/2" barrel 44 Magnum.
A little heavy at over 3 pounds and overkill for the Eastern States, Out West maybe. Not really planning on carrying it on the A.T.

Charter Arms makes a 2" barrel 44 special at 22 ounces loaded that would make more sense on the A.T. Don't have that, so not planning on carrying that either.

But what would it matter? If someone does carry a firearm or large knife on their backpacking trips, It would not likely be to show off, but to have the extra security and piece of mind, and unless you are a predator, you have nothing to fear from an armed citizen.

I have the necessary permits for states I frequent and have carried some sort of firearm for over 26 years and few people ever even knew I was armed.

It's not like the western movies where armed lunatics ride into town with guns blazing.
Unfortunately, some of us who at one time walked around in blissful ignorance thinking the world around us is safe and we have nothing to fear but fear itself found out the hard way that the such a statement is wishful thinking.

Had I never been confronted with knives and guns pointed at me from individuals with no respect for human life or earning a living rather than trying to steal from others, would I have never obtained a permit and carried a firearm, maybe not. If you are one of the many fortunate people who did not grow up in a large and dangerous city, count your blessings.
I grew up in a city where 12 year old children sold drugs on thier street and had a 357 magnums tucked into their belts, And I knew an unfortunate individual who was shot by the child because he chose to use drugs.

Would you not hike with me or near me because I may or may not carry a gun, maybe so, but unless you are a bad guy, you would never even know I had it.

If you think I am paranoid, I'm not. I don't even carry my gun anymore, where I live now, it's not necessary.
If I go ho,e do I carry it? Count on it.
There is a program on History Channel or Discovery Channel, not sure which, It's called Gangland.
Watch it sometime and welcome to the world I grew up in.

[Old Hiker]

Wildman,

Scro'em - hike your own hike. Keep what you decide you'll keep. Dump what you decide to dump. As I've seen with other threads, take what you read with a grain of salt.

I'm an everything-including-the-kitchen-sink packer and I won't get to attempt my thru until 2012, so I'm slowly but surely trying to lighten up my pack a bit. I'm getting older, slower and lazier! I read a LOT of the threads and I find new things almost every time to help me hike. Keep a trail journal and let us know what stays - what goes - what gets changed. You'll help us wanna'be's and soon'to'be's with your trail experiences.

Good luck!

[Mountain Wildman]

Wildman,

Scro'em - hike your own hike. Keep what you decide what you'll keep. Dump what you decide to dump. As I've seen with other threads, take what you read with a grain of salt.

I'm an everything-including-the-kitchen-sink packer and I won't get to attempt my thru until 2012, so I'm slowly but surely trying to lighten up my pack a bit. I'm getting older, slower and lazier! I read a LOT of the threads and I find new things almost every time to help me hike. Keep a trail journal and let us know what stays - what goes - what gets changed. You'll help us wanna'be's and soon'to'be's with your trail experiences.

Good luck!

Sounds like good advise!!

[JustaTouron]

But what would it matter? If someone does carry a firearm or large knife on their backpacking trips, It would not likely be to show off, but to have the extra security and piece of mind, and unless you are a predator, you have nothing to fear from an armed citizen.



There is still plenty to fear. Plenty of people are shot every year by accident. I fear jumpy trigger happy armed campers who might shoot me at night when I am taking a pee break cause they think I am bear than I fear the bears.

[Nuthatch]

Just re-read the list. Again, this has got to be a joke.

He'll be carrying a table and chair, a lantern, a shower, an outhouse, a kitchen sink, a chainsaw and a "giant deluxe pillow"?

C'mon folks. :rolleyes:

[Mountain Wildman]

Just re-read the list. Again, this has got to be a joke.

He'll be carrying a table and chair, a lantern, a shower, an outhouse, a kitchen sink, a chainsaw and a "giant deluxe pillow"?

C'mon folks. :rolleyes:

It's not a joke.
The table is by GSI and weighs 19 ounces.
The Chair is by Alite and it weighs 19 ounces.
The lantern is the size of a soda can and weighs about 6 ounces.
The shower is by MSR. It's also a dry bag and it weighs 21 ounces.
The outhouse is a small dry bag by Sea to Summit, weight=2.6 ounces
The kitchen sink by sea to summit weighs 4.4 ounces
The Chainsaw is just the chainsaw blade with paracord at each end, hand operated, fits in a 2" X 2" pouch.
The pillow is by Big Agnes and weighs 8.5 ounces
Obviously these weights are more than an Ultralighter would carry but nice little conveniences.

[BitBucket]

Are you going hiking or opening up an outdoor supply shop?

This will definitely give the guys at Mountain Crossings a run for their money.

I'd suggest you email Winton the list that Tuswm put together for you...

Definitely material for the sequel to Just Passin Thru...

[Powder River]

If you take a bit of the marketing and zealotry away from the discussion on gear you will find that the $3 pot i got from the salvation army cooks water just about as good as the titanium version. The difference, $30. Psychologically the difference is much more complicated. The hiker that carries the titanium pot "knows" his gear is lighter, therefore he has some mythical advantage over the next hiker or just a leg up on gravity. If an ounce makes that much of a difference to you, have at it.

I have to wonder though if a light pack is the sign of a weak mind. I understand that gear has evolved, but I question how much of the evolution is "need" based vs. marketing and profiteering. I purchased an used EMS pack off of ebay for $50, but was initially going to just buy a surplus "alice" pack. Alice packs have served the military well for more than 30 years. I guess you could buy some $200 fancy pack, but why would it be necessary? My guess is it's more vanity than necessity, but it may be simply due to a commissioned sales person's influence. Honestly, it's exactly the same way in diving. We sell regulators made from titanium for about $1500, guess what, they breath the same as a $500 regulator. The only noticeable difference is a couple of ounces in your luggage.

I truly hope that the people I meet on the trail (I'm starting Tuesday) are more interested in enjoying the outdoors than they are in proving how much they can spend on crap they don't need. I guess it takes all kinds in a sport like this, outfitters wouldn't stay open if some "hikers" didn't buy those kinds of things. I don't know if I'll make it all the way to Maine, but I'll be hiking and enjoying the outdoors for the next 7 months.

I think the single most important lesson I've learned on this forum is: hike your own hike.

Wideload,


Have you hiked for any long distances yet? I have a feeling you're in for a real awakening when you start your thru hike. I'm no ultraliter, but having done the AT I can tell you that nobody who's ever hiked to Maine would tell you that weight is unimportant. Yes, your $3 pot cooks water just as good, but is it lighter? Answer is no. Is it worth the $$$$ for the titanium? That's up the individual hiker. But on a sliding scale, would you rather carry a cast iron skillet, a steel pot or a titanium one? Most people, having carried excessive weight on their back (I used to carry 60+ lbs) would choose the lightest option they could afford. For some people, they can afford the "expensive" gear and it is worth it. Keep in mind here that backpacking is one of the cheapest sports/hobbies around. Spend $1500 on the lightest, best gear and you're still miles ahead of the boater, photographer, racer, skier, etc..

Keep in mind also that it is usually the lighter gear that is cheaper. You don't need a titanium spork to be "ultralite", you need a Wendy's spoon, which is even lighter. Most ultralite packs cost around $100, and tarps are extremely cheap. And most "ultralite" hikers (I would instead use the term Whiteblazers here) would not be influenced by a commissioned salesperson. In fact I've never seen anything but heavy gear come out of an REI "consulting."

Anbody with a calculator can do the math here. It is not the 7 ounces saved on the titanium pot, it is the 4lbs saved on the pack, the 3 lbs saved on the sleeping bag, the 4lbs saved on the tent, the 9 ounces saved on the sleeping pad, the 10 ounces saved on the water bottles, etc. etc. So before you go calling people weak minded or vain for having a light pack (and in the next breath preaching hike your own hike) I suggest that when you start your thru you make a commitment to all here to not remove a SINGLE piece of gear from your pack due to weight during your entire hike. If you do, then you must be extremely weak minded...


p.s. How much gravity is there in a scuba dive anyways? Is it anywhere close to, you know, real gravity?

[Powder River]

Absolutely not,
I march to my own beat. I see the pictures of Ultralight backpacking, Sitting on the ground, mice running across your face as you sleep, holes in the food bag with bites taken out of your all too precious food. I admit I admire Ultralight backpackers, I wouldnt want to do it, I will carry the extra weight even if it takes me longer. It's not written anywhere that I have to hike a certain amount of miles per day.
I am sure a hike is enjoyable without extra weight, but for me, being a camper my whole life, I am not in it just to hike multiple miles per day. To me, the whole experience includes the sights, smells and a comfortable campsite. There are some items on my list that I will carry even if it kills me, and other things may stay home in the closet.

Mountain Wildman,

As many others have said here and you undoubtedly need nobody to tell you, your hike is your own and whatever you put in your pack is your business. But you DID post your list here asking for comments, and of course many people here have opinions. But it seems to me that this is not your actual packing list, but more like a "gear closet" list of everything you own. If you are willing to put down here what you actually think you would hit the trail with, (and not just for a two day hike, but a long one) then I think this would be a lot more constructive.

But the comment I quoted above stood out to me, because it seems to define your philosophy on backpacking. I think somewhere you said you've done a lot of camping but not backpacking, and I have to tell you I was the same way. I used to lug a 9lb tent that took up fully half of my 5500 cubic inch pack. I used to take a baseball mit and ball and 5lbs of fishing gear just to play around with in camp. I don't anymore. It's not that I don't ENJOY having that stuff in camp and having a nice big tent. But it's just that it was such a pain in the a$$ to carry that stuff up and down all those mountains.

When I started researching gear for my thru hike I did not have very much backpacking experience, but I realized one thing right away; that is that people who have actually done a thru hike almost without exception do not have a heavy pack. Their gear list just simply doesn't look like the one you posted. I will wager you some real money that if you are successful in your thru hike, you will have first joined the ranks of the sub-40lb crowd (food and water included). That is because to actually complete a thru hike, you DO need to make miles. Some days you need to do a lot of them. If the camping part is more important to you than the hiking part, I would suggest that this is a LOT of suffering to put yourself through to have these luxuries.

[Mountain Wildman]

Powder River,
You are right, I posted earlier that I should have put this in the humor forum, Though it actually is all the gear I have purchased but not all the gear I plan to take on a Thru-Hike. I like all the cool little gadgets so I won't be able to determine my final list until I shakedown this spring and summer. The rest of the gear will either go with me every now and then or I will sell it off or donate it to a hiker or friend after I decide what my normal winter or summer gear will be.
It is certainly not a joke as other posts have indicated but, I am able to laugh at myself and my gear list, I shake my head every time I look at it.
My advice to everyone including myself is: Don't sweat the small stuff!! :-)

[Lion King]

Self restraint?


Where in the whites, Im in Lincoln

[Mountain Wildman]

Self restraint?


Where in the whites, Im in Lincoln

I've heard of self restraint.
Berlin/Gorham.

[Nuthatch]

It's not a joke.
The table is by GSI and weighs 19 ounces.
The Chair is by Alite and it weighs 19 ounces.
The lantern is the size of a soda can and weighs about 6 ounces.
The shower is by MSR. It's also a dry bag and it weighs 21 ounces.
The outhouse is a small dry bag by Sea to Summit, weight=2.6 ounces
The kitchen sink by sea to summit weighs 4.4 ounces
The Chainsaw is just the chainsaw blade with paracord at each end, hand operated, fits in a 2" X 2" pouch.
The pillow is by Big Agnes and weighs 8.5 ounces

Umm, you do know how many ounces are in a pound, right? I mean, seriously...

[Mountain Wildman]

Umm, you do know how many ounces are in a pound, right? I mean, seriously...

In the White Mountains of N.H. and most every where else it's 16 ounces.

In Snowden, Mt., What, I guess, One full hand of cow manure. ;-)

[RGB]

An anvil (http://www.anvilbrand.com/p-687-cliff-carroll-anvil-35-lb.aspx) would have certainly been cheaper.

[DawnTreader]

shades of Minnesota Smith are hovering over this thread.. at least it has nothing to do with politics this time...

[clodhopper]

Best of luck with your hike.

Figuring out the right gear tends to be a lot easier than you imagine--experience is a great teacher.

For me, the mountains of Georgia and North Carolina were a bit like the Survivor show for gear. As I was slogging away on the long uphill sections, I would work through what gear was getting voted off and sent home at the next opportunity.

Bottom line is that everybody finds their own balance between weight and comfort before too long.

It reminds me of a cartoon with a before (clean-shaven guy proudly carrying a huge pack with new gear) and after (scruffy/bearded guy with just a little pack with one busted strap patched with duct tape) image of a hiker. In the end, it is much more about attitude than it does about gear.

Have fun.

[IceAge]

Check out this gear list, What do you think? Have I forgotten anything?　
　

Nope, you included every brand name. Congratulations on spending a lot of money.

[Gray Blazer]

Nope, you included every brand name. Congratulations on spending a lot of money.
I'll never be a real hiker...:(...I can't afford it.

[Marta]

Even I am shocked at your gear list.

This cracked me up. Thanks, Tipi!

[IceAge]

I'll never be a real hiker...:(...I can't afford it.

I hear ya! I guess I'm just too lazy to type the brand names into my gear list. It looks more like "Pack - 41oz, Tent - 56oz", or maybe the purpose of my gear list is different...

[IceAge]

And I don't wanna hear anyone mocking my 41 oz pack, I love her!

[Nuthatch]

In the White Mountains of N.H. and most every where else it's 16 ounces.Okay, just checking. I did meet a hiker once who thought it was 32 oz, they had it confused with the # of ounces in a quart or something. And could not figure out why their pack was twice as heavy as they figured it should be! :eek:

It might be helpful if instead of thinking in terms of "only x ounces", you called every 4 ounces "a quarter pound". For instance, your kitchen sink that "only" weighs 4.4 ounces actually weighs "slightly over a quarter pound". Sounds a bit heavier now, doesn't it?

[JustaTouron]

It might be helpful if instead of thinking in terms of "only x ounces", you called every 4 ounces "a quarter pound".



I like that line of thinking. But thinking of everything in terms of quarter pounders makes me hungry.




For instance, your kitchen sink that "only" weighs 4.4 ounces actually weighs "slightly over a quarter pound". Sounds a bit heavier now, doesn't it?

Instead of "slightly over a quarter pounder", how about we just call it a "quarter pounder with cheese"...yum.

[Dances with Mice]

I have a friend like that. He spends $500+ per year on hiking equipment. He does go backpacking 2 weekends a year to justify his gear collecting hobby. But his hobby is gear collecting not hiking. .... "Show and tell" is so much fun as is my poking fun at him for wasting money on needless crap.Is his first name Roger and is he from Georgia? If not I know his clone.

[David@whiteblaze]

p.s. How much gravity is there in a scuba dive anyways? Is it anywhere close to, you know, real gravity?

In the water, a scuba diver will be negatively bouyant, on account of the weight of his oxygen tank. Add just the right amount of air to your B.C. (bouyancy compensater) and you will achieve nuetral bouyancy, 0 gravity. However, the gear must be carried from storage place to car, car to boat, and hoisted onto back (step-in entry) or tossed into the water to be put on there. So no, the gravity is very little there (hence the existence of diving weights...)

[wideload2010]

Hello Powder, since you took the time to write such a nice long post, i will reply. (as appropriate)

Wideload,
Have you hiked for any long distances yet? I have a feeling you're in for a real awakening when you start your thru hike.
well, yes and no. I wasn't in the boy scouts, I am not some weekend warrior, but yes I have spent a fair amount or time hiking in the woods and in the desert. Most of those exercises admittedly were two weeks or less, but humping crew served weapons plus a pack will probably prove to be more challenging than a "saunter" up the AT. I'm sure the parties in the trail towns and camp fire bonding moments will be able to keep me going north. Hell, it's not even hunting season (i hope) so no one will even be shooting at me.


Yes, your $3 pot cooks water just as good, but is it lighter? Answer is no. Is it worth the $$$$ for the titanium?
It's probably almost as light as titanium, i don't have a scale that can measure that precisely.:-? (those are fancy feast cans next to the pot)
http://www.claxds.com/pot2.jpg


Keep in mind here that backpacking is one of the cheapest sports/hobbies around. Spend $1500 on the lightest, best gear and you're still miles ahead of the boater, photographer, racer, skier, etc..
p.s. How much gravity is there in a scuba dive anyways? Is it anywhere close to, you know, real gravity?
Duh, I earn my living and spend most of my recreation in Diving. Now, the type of diving i specialise in is technical and cave diving (exploration level) and quite honestly I can't remember the last time I got in the water with less than 10 grand worth of gear on me. (and you can trust that I don't own the top of the line dive gear either) That type of diving requires a certain amount of redundancy and self reliance because everything I carry is "life support". Stopping at a hostel or town every few days or weekly on the AT is not the same kind of adventure that I'm am used to. Yes, there are reasons for me to chose to hike this year, but they are not for your ears.


Anybody with a calculator can do the math here.
Yup, even I can do the math. $30 for a pot, $20 for a spork, $100 for a msr water boiler (although i was tempted because of the french press option), $100-$250 pack, people whining about how hard it is- Priceless


I suggest that when you start your thru you make a commitment to all here to not remove a SINGLE piece of gear from your pack due to weight during your entire hike. If you do, then you must be extremely weak minded...
If I actually cared enough about "Internet Hikers" I might do just that, but wouldn't you know it- I have a plane to catch in the morning to ATL. If you are genuinely concerned about my pack and gear, you can follow along with my blog http://www.wideload2010.com . I've spent more than enough time on forums like this to know that this banter could go on indefinitely, but I have a hike to start.

Thank you to all who didn't like my post but had the courtesy to just ignore me.

see ya on or about Oct. 15th,
robert berg
Technical Diving Intnl Instructor #10971
Natnl Speleological Society-cave diving section Instructor #362
(if you feel inclined to verify my identity)

[wideload2010]

my pic didn't show, sorry for the confusion. it can be seen on my blog site if you're that interested

[Roland]

Wildman,

Congratulations on maintaining your sense of humor throughout this thread. As you discovered, there is no shortage of experts on the Internet. You handled yourself well.

The Whites have been my playground since I was 15 years old. When you're ready to test-drive some of that equipment, I can suggest locations, based on your preferences (distance, terrain). You're also welcome to accompany us, if you wish. My wife and I spend most weekends outdoors.

All the best!

[Mountain Wildman]

Wildman,

Congratulations on maintaining your sense of humor throughout this thread. As you discovered, there is no shortage of experts on the Internet. You handled yourself well.

The Whites have been my playground since I was 15 years old. When you're ready to test-drive some of that equipment, I can suggest locations, based on your preferences (distance, terrain). You're also welcome to accompany us, if you wish. My wife and I spend most weekends outdoors.

All the best!

Thank you Roland,
That is very nice of you, I may take you up on that, And any gear I throw out of my probably too large pack will be yours for the keeping.
I moved up here almost two years ago and I love it, Not for the people who don't love snow, Which I do. I figure on heading out once the winter breaks up here.
Now that I am finally done on that brutal FCI project I can enjoy this area and get out. Especially since I am not working 65 hours a week anymore.
I appreciate the kind words although I thought I got a little edgy once or twice which really isn't like me. I'm not someone who likes to argue.
I did post this thread with humorous intent and have gotten quite a few good laughs.

[Nevermind]

In the water, a scuba diver will be negatively bouyant, on account of the weight of his oxygen tank. Add just the right amount of air to your B.C. (bouyancy compensater) and you will achieve nuetral bouyancy, 0 gravity. However, the gear must be carried from storage place to car, car to boat, and hoisted onto back (step-in entry) or tossed into the water to be put on there. So no, the gravity is very little there (hence the existence of diving weights...)

I'm sorry, I'm really not trying to be an a$$. I just want to make a quick point that gravity exists underwater. In fact, it exists for the astronauts in the space station as well. They're actually in basically the same "amount" of gravity we are. The astronauts in orbit are in constant free fall. Underwater, you're in basically the same gravitational force as on land, but your buoyancy in water results in an upward force, just about canceling out the gravitational force. I know it's irrelevant to your point, but I had to clarify, and I'm sorry.

So, the kitchen sink is a royale with cheese in Europe? I'm so confused.

Wildman, you're starting 2011 SOBO, right? I thought I saw that somewhere but can't find it. I'll be somewhere along there with you, hopefully setting off around June 1.

And more power to ya. Take what you want and what you've got. If it doesn't work, mail it back. I'm planning on using the gear I've got, which happens to be on the not-light side (but I can't complain about a free backpack for Christmas). If it's bad enough, there's time to adjust. I can't wait to be back in the states and back on the trails. We've got a whole year to try it all out before the big one!

[clodhopper]

Duh, I earn my living and spend most of my recreation in Diving. Now, the type of diving i specialise in is technical and cave diving (exploration level) and quite honestly I can't remember the last time I got in the water with less than 10 grand worth of gear on me. (and you can trust that I don't own the top of the line dive gear either) That type of diving requires a certain amount of redundancy and self reliance because everything I carry is "life support". Stopping at a hostel or town every few days or weekly on the AT is not the same kind of adventure that I'm am used to.


My hands get sweaty just thinking about being in a dark cave underwater. Bet you have some awesome stories to tell around a campfire.

You are right about backpacking being a lot easier than slogging it out carrying heavy weapons, ammo, and the occasional radio while the patrol leader gets everybody lost.

Best of luck on your hike.

[Jonnycat]

lol look at all of the name brands!

[Mountain Wildman]

I am glad that you all have been enjoying this post, I state again, it is not a joke.
I did a lot of research to select what I thought was the best gear and best suited to my intended use. Obviously, it happens to be name brand gear in most cases. Pretty much what I consider to be mainstream products. I did step out of the box "so to speak" by buying the Mystery Ranch Backpack which is certainly very high quality but not as popular as say Osprey or Golite or ULA. It has an acclaimed suspension system and rated as very comfortable even with heavy 50 to 80 pound loads, Which is why I chose it.
I also went with a Stephenson Warmlite tent which again is high quality and not necessarily mainstream, Mainstream meaning of course, the most popular.
I learned in my younger years that it was worth spending the extra money on quality items because they are usually more well made and typically last longer than the cheapy bargain store type of product. Can a person Thru-Hike the A.T. without having "The Best", Absolutely, It's not the gear that is going to walk 2100 plus miles.
Another person stated that they don't list the brands of their gear just the gear, I purchased 99.9% of my gear online, I simply copied and pasted the descriptions from my e-mail confirmations, Retailers typically use the brand name in their descriptions.
My intent was not to show off my gear or the amount of money I've spent, I try not to think about all the money. I have camped outdoors for over 25 years, I found my camping trips to be a little more enjoyable because of the gear I brought with me. What's more comfortable, sitting on the ground or sitting in a chair? Easy choice for me. Is it easier to cook with your soda can stove on the ground or raised up through use of a table or log? Again, Easy choice from my perspective. You are very welcomed to think I am crazy, out of my mind or have lost touch with reality. I don't mind. This is a complete list of everything I bought for any Backpacking trip I plan, not just the A.T. I do not plan on hauling a 50 or 60 pound pack for 2100 miles.
Anyway, Enjoy!!