View Full Version : Hike Mass or Virginia - Mid July?!?
Three Black Labs
06-16-2011, 11:15
We are planning a week long hike starting July 16th. Looking at either the Mt. Rogers, VA or Southern Massachusetts area. Any suggestions?!? Weather looks to be about the same. The Ponies are a big draw in Virginia but thought the weather temps might be more stable in Massachusetts.
The parking doesn't seem to be too safe in Virginia for hiking a couple nights and moving our two cars around - didn't see any bad press in Virigina for parking cars.
We are new at this have only hiked the Maryland Section so far. We learned a bunch that week (May, 2011) and hopefully we do better after we lighten our loads.
Any thoughts are appreciated!!! :rolleyes:
Jack Tarlin
06-16-2011, 11:21
Virginia, absolutely.
We are planning a week long hike starting July 16th. Looking at either the Mt. Rogers, VA or Southern Massachusetts area.
You can't go wrong either way, seems to me. Mt. Rogers and Grayson Highlands are undoubtedly amazing - I want to make my way there someday soon.
Mid-July is a very nice time to hike in NW Connecticut and SW Mass. You will get some hot days, doubtless, but it's usually a good 5 degrees or more lower on the peaks than in the valleys, due both to altitude and steady winds.
Lots of thru-hikers are making their way through at that time, and the blueberries will be in peak season and can be found in abundance in the higher elevations Taconics, which straddle the border between the two states. From Salisbury, CT to Great Barrington, MA, the trail crosses some gorgeous country.
From atop Lion's Head, Bear Mountain, Mts. Race and Everett and Jug End, there are a variety of nice views - Housatonic Valley, Greylock and southern Vermont, Catskills and Hudson Valley. Race Brook Falls and Sages Ravine, within the hike, are very nice, the latter right on the A.T. and former on a short side trail which is well worth the trip (five accessible waterfalls ranging from 30 to 75+ feet). There are also worthwhile side-trips westward to the Braces, Frissell, Alander and to Bash Bish Falls.
If you come up this way with two cars, I recommend parking one in Falls Village, CT and the other in Sheffield, MA. You can hike from the Great Falls of the Housatonic, a large, thundering waterfall, past Rand's View, a Shenandoah-like view of the Taconics which you traverse next. Salisbury village and Great Barrington are nice stops along the way on either end of the hike, which would take a few days.
From there, you could drive north 50 miles or so and hike in and around Mt. Greylock, parking at either end. The AMC's Massachusetts guide book has excellent maps of both Greylock and southwest Mass and neighboring Conn. and New York. If you have leftover time after Greylock, I highly recommend a trip up to southern Vermont for an overnight or a day at Stratton Mountain and Stratton Pond. Stratton affords amazing views in every direction from its summit fire tower, and the pond is well loved. Manchester and Bennington, are good-sized towns nearby.
Virginia, absolutely.
I second Mr. Jack's opinion
Three Black Labs
06-16-2011, 14:18
Thanks for the input! Driver8 really did a great selling job on the northern trip. Oh My! What to do - being so new at this complicates the decision making. We are going out again in October to the section we don't get to in July. Decisions...decisions....
Virginia, absolutely.
I second Mr. Jack's opinion
Thanks for the input! Driver8 really did a great selling job on the northern trip. Oh My! What to do - being so new at this complicates the decision making. We are going out again in October to the section we don't get to in July. Decisions...decisions....
Thanks for your kind words, T.B.L.! Again, can't go wrong either way. I encourage blueberries and peak thru-hiking season in July then the fall in the highlands, but the foliage up here is wonderful in October.
Cookerhiker
06-16-2011, 15:35
I'd vote for Grayson Highlands in July, Massachusetts in the Fall.
My albeit limited experience re. temps: when I hiked Damascus to Fox Creek, it was a Memorial Day timeframe and while my home of Silver Spring, MD was experiencing 100 degree heat, Damascus was in the high 80s and the mountains where the AT was at least 10 degrees cooler. Now I'm not a local so they may want to chime in but the point is that despite the southern latitude, Grayson Highlands won't be necessarily hot - it might be cooler than Mass.
I'd vote for Grayson Highlands in July, Massachusetts in the Fall.
The big things that keep me from agreeing with you are (1) peak blueberry season in Conn and Mass in July, which is a big plus hard to overstate, and (2) hiking among all the thrus passing through in July, which adds a lot to the experience. As I mentioned before, the foliage up here in October is pretty wonderful in the fall, but I bet it's superb down in southwest VA at that time, too. Blueberries and thrus would tip the scale for me - Bear and Everett and Lion's Head, especially, are flush with them in mid-July. I don't remember Race (which has amazing views along the ridges and at its summit, by the way, Black Labs) having a lot of blueberries, but I've only traversed it once on the A.T., so my memory of it is faint, except for the awesome views, that is.
One tip on partaking of blueberries in the Taconics - rustle around in the bushes with your trekking poles or with a stick before sticking your hands in them. Rattlesnakes (and other snakes for that matter) love to camp out in berry bushes and wait for prey to come in and partake. They're not interested in us, but a hand in there is pretty threatening to them. T.P.-first is a good way to check and be safe.
MASSACHUSETTS. The Bruins won so you have to go here!
Blissful
06-16-2011, 19:39
MA will be mosquito heaven
VA will be hot and humid
take your pick
(I'd do VT)
MA will be mosquito heaven
If you stay mostly in the higher elevations, the mosquitoes aren't that bad.
If you stay mostly in the higher elevations, the mosquitoes aren't that bad.
You mean there's a choice? There aren't any really high elevations in Ma. nobo after Jug End - just a few ridges, which will have fewer mosquitoes due mainly to the fact that there is less standing water there. Of course there is Mt. Greylock, but that's a long way from Sages Ravine. The first five miles or so north of Jug End are mosquito heaven (for them, at least :p).
Just got back from a month in VA that included your prosposed section. Perfect. Everything was perfect. I'll do the north in the fall when the colors start to change. Go hike VA. July in VA is great. My opinion, just sayin'.
You mean there's a choice?
Yes. :eek: The OPs are doing two cars, iirc. I've recommended parking one near Great Falls, hike through Salisbury into Mass and hop into second car near Jug End (or wherever they please - the flats east of Jug End can't be all that compelling in comparison to the Taconics, I'd imagine, but one never knows; the skeeters would be a big deterrent without doubt). Won't see too many of them up in the highlands - I've been out there the past two weekends and can vouch for that.
Then drive north to Greylock land - as I've recommended in a post above. Tromp around there in the relatively high ground for the most part. I'm bettin' minimal skeeters there, too. Then off to Stratton area, as I've also suggested. I don't know much about mosquitoes up there, but I do know its a gorgeous hike with beautiful forests on the mtn's crown and very nice views from the summit tower, plus the much-beloved pond. Don't reckon a few bugs would bug me too much, in exchange. ...
You'll like the terrain in VA better for sure, and you can't beat Grayson Highlands for views/ponies. It'll probably be warmer but in my opinion it's worth it.
are you kidding.grayson highlands or the bug infested board walks here in mass.no contest virginia wins. october is the time to be in mass.
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go bruins
Slo-go'en
06-18-2011, 12:20
If they avoid the swampy low lands of Mass by doing the trip as Driver8 suggested, the 'Sketers shouldn't be too bad. I'd still bring a tent or bug bivy though.
Cookerhiker
06-18-2011, 16:23
I sectioned Mass north of Rt. 20 in October and south of Rt. 20 in April. ON the latter, I had perfect weather and while enjoying the warm sunshine on the boardwalk, mused how thruhikers would probably hit this stretch in summer in time to enjoy heat and mosquitos.
johnnybgood
06-18-2011, 18:07
Virginia gets the nod but the humidity here can be stifling in July so be ready to sweat buckets . I recommend the Grayson Highland area where light breezes are more prevalent on the open balds in higher elevations.
Sunscreen and bug repellent should be packed in any case no matter where you do your summer hiking.
Pokey2006
06-19-2011, 00:35
As a Mass. native who has hiked in both places quite a bit, I vote for...Virginia. If you haven't experienced New England mosquitoes before, you don't want to start now. Mt. Rogers/Grayson Highlands are also spectacular, and high enough that they are not too hot.
Sept. and Oct. are hands-down the best time to hike in NE. A little chilly, but the weather is crisp and clear, the mosquitoes are gone, and the foliage is like nothing you've ever seen before. Save Mass. for the fall, if you can.
Yes. :eek: The OPs are doing two cars, iirc. I've recommended parking one near Great Falls, hike through Salisbury into Mass and hop into second car near Jug End (or wherever they please - the flats east of Jug End can't be all that compelling in comparison to the Taconics, I'd imagine, but one never knows; the skeeters would be a big deterrent without doubt). Won't see too many of them up in the highlands - I've been out there the past two weekends and can vouch for that.
Then drive north to Greylock land - as I've recommended in a post above. Tromp around there in the relatively high ground for the most part. I'm bettin' minimal skeeters there, too. Then off to Stratton area, as I've also suggested. I don't know much about mosquitoes up there, but I do know its a gorgeous hike with beautiful forests on the mtn's crown and very nice views from the summit tower, plus the much-beloved pond. Don't reckon a few bugs would bug me too much, in exchange. ...
My apologies.:o I didn't read your itinerary, which makes sense as I (belatedly) read it thoroughly. Lots of driving, though, to avoid the bugs.
I hiked some of Va. in the 1970s in the summer. It was hot, but not particularly buggy until we set up camp, when we had to apply some bug dope that looked like tar and smelled AWFUL, but it did the trick.
Mass. is beautiful in the fall.
I think the OP would be better off delaying her hike there until she gets some autumn days off.:)
My apologies.:o I didn't read your itinerary, which makes sense as I (belatedly) read it thoroughly. Lots of driving, though, to avoid the bugs.
No worries. :)
For me the allure of blueberries in summer, plus the fun of hiking amidst all the summer thru-hikers, outweighs some bugs, and staying high up tends to minimize them (and to maximize them berries :p). Driving as I suggest also allows the OP to get to some of the best-loved A.T. spots in our part of the world in addition to minimizing annoying arthropods.
And since they're two-car-ing it from the midwest, 50 miles here and 30 miles there to optimize the territory hiked and the hiking experience overall doesn't seem so big a deal. I'm betting Grayson is as pretty as New England in October, while I don't know of Grayson being so rife with fresh trailside blueberries in July as we are up here (but it may just be my ignorance).
Three Black Labs
06-20-2011, 08:28
WOW!! Thanks for all the great info!! A side note about those yummy blueberries. We also travel in an RV with our Labs and this August with our two granddaughers and
are headed to Bar Harbour, Maine. I know well of those yummy blueberries and know that they are available in Maine. So we will have two weeks to chow down on blueberry pancakes that the campground serves up every morning as we sit by the sea and decided what bike trip or day hike we are taking today!
Received our Southwest Virginia maps on Friday - spent the weekend looking over the gobs of info - so it looks as though the highlands this trip and Mass in October. Half the fun is in the planning and the excitement of deciding where to go.
Thanks again for all the great input - going to be starting a new thread as to our hiking plans. Need lots of answers to my lots of questions! Enjoy the day!! Experience something wonderful!!
WOW!! Thanks for all the great info!! A side note about those yummy blueberries. We also travel in an RV with our Labs and this August with our two granddaughers and are headed to Bar Harbour, Maine. I know well of those yummy blueberries and know that they are available in Maine.
You can't beat Maine in August for blueberries! :p Please post pics here from your Grayson trip and - who knows? - maybe we'll bump into you on trail up here amidst the foliage come the fall. :D You'll miss the NOBO thrus, but you might catch some SOBOs, and you'll certainly see tons of New Englanders.
Another stretch that is nice, I gather and will be less buggy in the fall is Upper Goose Pond, northbound from Great Barrington, with its beloved cabin.