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birchy
06-21-2011, 23:38
Please go back to the old WAY..... it was just fine

Jack Tarlin
06-22-2011, 00:04
For what it's worth, I also think the old set-up was both easier on the eye and easier to access and read current or recent threads so one could immediately pick out what one wished to read or perhaps respond to. Being fairly computer illiterate, I have to say that if some of the recent changes were made to upgrade various systems on the website (i.e. more storage of data, etc.) then I'm all for it. If the upgrades were intended to make the site more user-friendly, I'm not sure they succeeded, tho I'd sure like to see comments from other folks.

Sly
06-22-2011, 00:05
LOL... I feel that way about Facebook. Many times software updates not only change the look but patch security holes and make the website less vulnerable to hacking. In a few days, once we get used to it and the are bugs taken care of, it will be fine.

stranger
06-22-2011, 00:35
Change is abrasive...get over it

Cookerhiker
06-22-2011, 07:31
Change is inevitable. Usually something we (or at least I) liked is lost but overall, it can still be positive. I'm still getting used to the ne WB but I like it. And it forces us to use our brains/minds to learn; isn't that a good thing? (having just said that, I tried to affix a face symbol but it's not working).

Re. Facebook, they never announce their changes - it just happens. Some make sense, some don't.

Ender
06-22-2011, 08:13
It looks a little different, but that's just something that I'll get used to eventually. No big deal at all as far as I'm concerned. All the functionality is still there, it just looks a little different.

I'm guessing that the upgrade really helps on the back end of the site, making it run smoother, and is easier to operate for the admins. That's a good thing.

jbwood5
06-22-2011, 08:18
That Facebook Icon is right over the top of the login name box. It makes it pretty hard to log in.

4shot
06-22-2011, 08:22
lol...I'm so computerate illiterate. I am travelling with a laptop that I just bought (my first laptop). I just assumed the difference was in my laptop vs. my home PC. I'm unsure about the changes but enjoy the site and trust whomever's in charge to must the best decisions (and that's not a phrase I commonly use either!).

Tuckahoe
06-22-2011, 08:36
For what it's worth, I also think the old set-up was both easier on the eye and easier to access and read current or recent threads so one could immediately pick out what one wished to read or perhaps respond to. Being fairly computer illiterate, I have to say that if some of the recent changes were made to upgrade various systems on the website (i.e. more storage of data, etc.) then I'm all for it. If the upgrades were intended to make the site more user-friendly, I'm not sure they succeeded, tho I'd sure like to see comments from other folks.

+1 I can understand upgrades for security and such, but the old look was much better.

Ewker
06-22-2011, 08:40
For what it's worth, I also think the old set-up was both easier on the eye and easier to access and read current or recent threads so one could immediately pick out what one wished to read or perhaps respond to.

I was almost blinded by the new color. The white (on my computer) just pops out way too much. Is there a way we can change the colors in settings?

Leanthree
06-22-2011, 09:47
Can we at least darken the green? Otherwise, I can get used to change.

LDog
06-22-2011, 09:55
I like the new look. Very clean. I mourn the loss of the User CP link where I always had quick access to my subscribed threads. I wish that Quick Links menu item was consistently on every page ... Otherwise, I'm adapting to it.

Monkeyboy
06-22-2011, 10:27
Pages load extremely slow.
The neon green is too bright, as well.

Slo-go'en
06-22-2011, 10:30
Not all change is good. I agree the new color scheme is a bit rough on the eyes and not having the "new posts" button on the home page is a bit of a pain. But over all the pages look a bit "crisper".

Skidsteer
06-22-2011, 10:37
Pages load extremely slow.
The neon green is too bright, as well.

Yesterday there was an option at the bottom of the page to change color schemes. Maybe five options.

It's not there today.

Skidsteer
06-22-2011, 10:40
Not all change is good. I agree the new color scheme is a bit rough on the eyes and not having the "new posts" button on the home page is a bit of a pain. But over all the pages look a bit "crisper".

There is a new post button on the homepage. It's on the left underneath your username and when you last posted.

Carbo
06-22-2011, 10:54
We're hikers. Adapt to what is.

sbhikes
06-22-2011, 11:08
The new colors really hurt my eyes. It's really hard to read the site now. And there's a bunch of logos (facebook?) all stacked underneath some text at the top of the page. I don't know what that's supposed to be. By the way, I use the built-in browser in eclipse so I think I'm using Internet Explorer, but I'm not sure. I've tried to make eclipse use Firefox but it sure behaves more like IE.

Spokes
06-22-2011, 11:26
Lordy, lordy, all these changes........

Flashback to a bunch of old cotton wearin' hikers. I can hear them sayin' "This microfiber stuff will never catch on".

Pedaling Fool
06-22-2011, 11:31
I like the new look. Very clean. I mourn the loss of the User CP link where I always had quick access to my subscribed threads. I wish that Quick Links menu item was consistently on every page ... Otherwise, I'm adapting to it.
I think you can get to your subscribed threads by clicking the "Settings" button at the top right side, next to the "Log Out" button.

P.S. You can only see this button when you're logged in.

Buffalo Skipper
06-22-2011, 12:06
Change will happen. There is also a "New Posts" tab at the very top left under "Homepage."

The "new post" button at the bottom left appears to hover over another button I cannot completely see, which is also over the "first" and "1" page buttons. Awkward

And I have not yet figured how to simply bring up the "post" (not quick post) window without trying to quote the last remark.

Finally, all the emoticons (except post icons) are hidden or blocked on my network.

But all this will pass as we are more comfortable with the new system. Overall, I do like the system.

On a different forum (utilizing ancient software) on with I participate, there is an option for "spin off thread." This is really neat when you want to take the discussion in a different direction without klobbering the original poster. It would probably getused too much here, though. [emoticon skipped as I cannot access]

10-K
06-22-2011, 12:11
Lordy, lordy, all these changes........

Flashback to a bunch of old cotton wearin' hikers. I can hear them sayin' "This microfiber stuff will never catch on".

You mean like cell phones?

The Solemates
06-22-2011, 12:31
the format is completely jacked up for me. i cant see the posts. here is what i see:

11625

and the "new post' button doest work for me at all. i have to use the "quick reply"

The Solemates
06-22-2011, 12:32
any help?????????

Big Dawg
06-22-2011, 12:40
I miss the random pics on the homepage

SmokyMtn Hiker
06-22-2011, 12:40
What about the 3 random photos that were on the homepage, I enjoyed seeing those everytime I refreshed back to the homepage.

Ewker
06-22-2011, 13:06
The Whiteblaze AT database doesn't work along with a few other items in the data/schedule section

Dogwood
06-22-2011, 13:49
Not fond of the lost detail in the graphics! Also, all the white, sometimes white on off white colors, detail and distinguishes are lost! Not fond of not having the "New Posts" option on the home page. All the rest I will have to get accustomed to!

Bearpaw
06-22-2011, 13:55
I'm hoping for some word on how to post photos with the new system. Hoping it's just a bug that will be fixed soon.

jersey joe
06-22-2011, 14:29
I work in software and hear these complaints all the time. Users, get over the fact that sites have to change to keep up with the times.

couscous
06-22-2011, 14:42
I work in software and hear these complaints all the time.
+1 ;)

Looking forward to the WB app.

jcb
06-22-2011, 14:48
New format is a lot better for my mobile device compared to the earlier version.

kayak karl
06-22-2011, 15:05
go to view on web browser, then page style, then no style and your back to windows 95. or was it 3.1?

Cookerhiker
06-22-2011, 15:15
That Facebook Icon is right over the top of the login name box. It makes it pretty hard to log in.

I had raised this on the other thread. It looks like the only way you can log in is from the homepage whiteblaze.net on the left side of the screen.

JaxHiker
06-22-2011, 15:37
I hate change.

LDog
06-22-2011, 15:43
I think you can get to your subscribed threads by clicking the "Settings" button at the top right side, next to the "Log Out" button.

Aha! I had seen that, and then it disappeared. Now I understand that if there are no recent responses to my subscribed folders, nothing shows here. Ok, I'm happy now.:sun

Well, I wish I could see the emoticon graphics on the right hand side of the advanced message screen. But, other than that ...

Cookerhiker
06-22-2011, 15:54
Bearpaw, I just uploaded a photo now. You have to go the Gallery and then to the individual category (in my case, it was "Faces"), then you'll see the option for uploading.

CowHead
06-22-2011, 16:00
no problems here change is my 5th middle name

Skidsteer
06-22-2011, 16:08
I'm hoping for some word on how to post photos with the new system. Hoping it's just a bug that will be fixed soon.

Test....

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd238/acsskidsteer/Blueblaze.jpg

Worked fine for me. That was a direct photobucket image link.

I use IE9 for a browser.

ChinMusic
06-22-2011, 16:11
I work in software and hear these complaints all the time. Users, get over the fact that sites have to change to keep up with the times.

End users understand the need for updates to keep up with technology. End users do NOT understand the need for vastly different feels. I always hated when Quicken would do updates as I felt the programmers had to justify their time by making things TOTALLY different.

To me a great software update is measured by minimizing end-user fatigue.

Ender
06-22-2011, 16:33
Question, did you post a photo of a blue box? That's all I'm seeing.


Test....

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd238/acsskidsteer/Blueblaze.jpg

Worked fine for me. That was a direct photobucket image link.

I use IE9 for a browser.

Pedaling Fool
06-22-2011, 16:36
Aha! I had seen that, and then it disappeared. Now I understand that if there are no recent responses to my subscribed folders, nothing shows here.:sun

...
That's true, but if you want to see all your subscribed threads then you hit the "View all Subscribed Threads" button, which is on the right side directly under the "Subscribed Threads with New Posts: (0)" box.

Skidsteer
06-22-2011, 16:43
Question, did you post a photo of a blue box? That's all I'm seeing.

I posted a blue blaze. I guess that qualifies as a box. A rectangular box.

Carbo
06-22-2011, 16:50
What the heck are you all talking about?? I don't see anything different. :-}

Ewker
06-22-2011, 16:53
lets see if this works

http://inlinethumb42.webshots.com/46441/2776844450040497854S600x600Q85.jpg

harryfred
06-22-2011, 16:54
I agree with a lot of the post. I will figure it out eventually. I do miss the random pictures.

gunner76
06-22-2011, 16:57
The only that does not change is that things change, nothing stays the same forever.

Skidsteer
06-22-2011, 16:59
lets see if this works

http://inlinethumb42.webshots.com/46441/2776844450040497854S600x600Q85.jpg

Time for a swim!

chiefduffy
06-22-2011, 17:01
End users understand the need for updates to keep up with technology. End users do NOT understand the need for vastly different feels. I always hated when Quicken would do updates as I felt the programmers had to justify their time by making things TOTALLY different.

To me a great software update is measured by minimizing end-user fatigue.

Well said. I will adapt. But, I think it sucks.

Bearpaw
06-22-2011, 17:06
test
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/bearpawat99/Roan Highlands June 11/037.jpg

Skidsteer
06-22-2011, 17:09
Well said. I will adapt. But, I think it sucks.

I'm not a big fan of the upgrade either. Too much.

Less is more.

pfann
06-22-2011, 17:09
I agree with a lot of the post. I will figure it out eventually. I do miss the random pictures.

What he said, especially about missing the random pictures on the homepage...

Bearpaw
06-22-2011, 17:09
Still no luck. I got rid of the "invalid URL" warning by unclicking the box that says Pull from remote host or whatever. When I preview the post, the image shows up just fine. But then I hit submit, and the image does not show up.

Bearpaw
06-22-2011, 17:13
Bearpaw, I just uploaded a photo now. You have to go the Gallery and then to the individual category (in my case, it was "Faces"), then you'll see the option for uploading.

I'm not trying to add any thing to the gallery. I'm trying to post images from a third party site (in my case Photobucket) using the same technique I've used for years. It doesn't work any more. This new "upgrade" is a POS.

Skidsteer
06-22-2011, 17:13
Still no luck. I got rid of the "invalid URL" warning by unclicking the box that says Pull from remote host or whatever. When I preview the post, the image shows up just fine. But then I hit submit, and the image does not show up.

Don't use the picture icon from the reply box. Just c and p your photobucket img code directly in the quick reply box.

ChinMusic
06-22-2011, 17:17
test to see if I can post one of my photobucket pics:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b186/ChinMusicIHSS/Backpacking/Matty.jpg

Skidsteer
06-22-2011, 17:18
Don't use the picture icon from the reply box. Just c and p your photobucket img code directly in the quick reply box.

Example:

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd238/acsskidsteer/IMG_0848.jpg

Ewker
06-22-2011, 17:18
I'm not trying to add any thing to the gallery. I'm trying to post images from a third party site (in my case Photobucket) using the same technique I've used for years. It doesn't work any more. This new "upgrade" is a POS.

My picture is from webshots. I copied and pasted the URL in the box and unclicked the same box as you

Ewker
06-22-2011, 17:19
Example:

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd238/acsskidsteer/IMG_0848.jpg




ack :banana

Bearpaw
06-22-2011, 17:21
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/bearpawat99/Roan%20Highlands%20%20June%2011/043.jpg

Bearpaw
06-22-2011, 17:22
Don't use the picture icon from the reply box. Just c and p your photobucket img code directly in the quick reply box.

Thanks. That seemed to work!

Sleeps_With_Skunks
06-22-2011, 17:29
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/bearpawat99/Roan Highlands June 11/043.jpg



Yeah....Dewey noming on YooHoo!!!

Skidsteer
06-22-2011, 17:33
Yeah....Dewey noming on YooHoo!!!

Interesting. Could not see the quoted photo. Let me try:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v425/bearpawat99/Roan HighlandsJune 11/043.jpg

Skidsteer
06-22-2011, 17:33
Interesting. Could not see the quoted photo. Let me try:

What a goat screw.

Ender
06-22-2011, 17:36
Then yes, it worked perfectly. :sun


I posted a blue blaze. I guess that qualifies as a box. A rectangular box.

Bearpaw
06-22-2011, 17:43
I just went back to my Roan Highlands Trip Report and used the Image Code function to input the images. Once again, the preview function showed the images in place. Once again, as soon as I pressed the submit button, all of them showed up as "image moved or deleted.

I stand by the position that there are some MAJOR bugs with this new software. WB has succeeded in changing it until it IS broken.

John B
06-22-2011, 17:46
When I go to "My Profile" and click "find all posts," I get a 'sorry no matches.' The world is gonna be at a loss if my collected wisdom as posted on WB is lost forever.

Skidsteer
06-22-2011, 17:53
When I go to "My Profile" and click "find all posts," I get a 'sorry no matches.' The world is gonna be at a loss if my collected wisdom as posted on WB is lost forever.

Try this link and see what happens:

http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=6616&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1

Skidsteer
06-22-2011, 17:54
Try this link and see what happens:

http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/search.php?do=finduser&userid=6616&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1

When I try it, I find you have exactly one post.

720 posts got lost somewhere.

Skidsteer
06-22-2011, 17:56
And now I can't edit posts......

kayak karl
06-22-2011, 18:28
And now I can't edit posts......11633 we over here feel for you. you need a support group??

Skidsteer
06-22-2011, 18:30
11633 we over here feel for you. you need a support group??

At the very least.

hailstones
06-22-2011, 18:33
Don't like it!

q-tip
06-22-2011, 18:38
My Vote---GO BACK!!!

randyg45
06-22-2011, 18:57
Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes.
What he said.

Cookerhiker
06-22-2011, 19:04
When I try it, I find you have exactly one post.

720 posts got lost somewhere.


When I go to "My Profile" and click "find all posts," I get a 'sorry no matches.' The world is gonna be at a loss if my collected wisdom as posted on WB is lost forever.

My profile showed the correct number posts (4,297) but when I clicked "find all posts," it only returned the posts since the new system went into effect.

John B
06-22-2011, 20:27
So both of our collected oeuvre is gone?!? It's true -- the apocalypse is at hand.

Sly
06-22-2011, 21:14
Here' something new..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIKXoDdwbLI&feature=related

Cookerhiker
06-22-2011, 21:31
So both of our collected oeuvre is gone?!? It's true -- the apocalypse is at hand.

Well all of our old posts are still in the database somewhere because all of the old i.e. pre-June 20 forums and their posts are still accessible. So if I want to gain enlightenment from your brilliant insightful comments (or inciteful as the case may be), I need only search all forums thread by thread.

RedneckRye
06-22-2011, 21:39
Way too bright.
Just read thru this thread only and my eyes are feeling it.
Think I am done here for a bit till the burn goes away, wonder if sunglasses would help?

Storm
06-22-2011, 21:51
My old eyes can't take this either. Guess there will be something to be said if logons drop drastically. To bad, I don't do too much on the computer but really liked reading the posts here.

Wise Old Owl
06-22-2011, 21:57
After very careful consideration... I am STUMPED as to why this was done.......


http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg275/MarkSwarbrick/__OWLq.gif

10-K
06-22-2011, 21:59
There's probably no way to go back. Whenever an upgrade like this is done you have to plow forward, fixing one thing at a time - and before long everyone will wonder what all the fuss was about.

My suggestion is to relax and let the admins continue what is a work in progress.

LDog
06-22-2011, 22:09
And now I can't edit posts......

Pretty sure I can

Yup ...

Wonder if I can post a pic here ...
11636

Yup.

Entropy2012
06-22-2011, 22:27
Oh wow, the colours are a bit... uh... bright? 11637

And it seems embedded youtube vids are totally messed up. When I scroll down the page to one, everything slows and the video starts flickering madly.

I liked the old site. :(

sbhikes
06-22-2011, 22:48
I found a firefox add-on that lets you install special stylesheets that apply to various websites. I installed it and downloaded a stylesheet meant to turn some commie vBulletin forum from the UK into something bland and grey that you could surf while at work. I tweaked it to work with whiteblaze and now my eyes aren't bleeding anymore.

jersey joe
06-22-2011, 22:53
To me a great software update is measured by minimizing end-user fatigue.I agree with this statement. The new WB is quite similar to the old WB.

rowdyredMTSU
06-22-2011, 23:00
I think the change is both modern and similar to the old format at the same time. Give it a chance everyone. I'm sure a lot of people are very familiar and accustomed to the old WB but this has the same information. It pretty much just looks different.

Big Dawg
06-22-2011, 23:14
The "new posts" don't seem to notify me when I've reached the end of new posts since my last login, like previously. I'll miss that feature.

couscous
06-22-2011, 23:29
A selection of cheeses would go well with this thread.
So many features, so few donating members.
11638

Ender
06-22-2011, 23:35
If you click on "Today's Posts" in the Quick Links dropdown, it'll give you what you're looking for I think.


The "new posts" don't seem to notify me when I've reached the end of new posts since my last login, like previously. I'll miss that feature.

Edit: I think... I'm not entirely sure I read your issue correctly.

Big Dawg
06-22-2011, 23:35
The "new posts" don't seem to notify me when I've reached the end of new posts since my last login, like previously. I'll miss that feature.

Ok, so it seems once I read all or part of the "new posts", then at top middle I click "Mark Forums Read", and the next time I login, only new posts are listed since my last login.

birchy
06-22-2011, 23:37
There's probably no way to go back. Whenever an upgrade like this is done you have to plow forward, fixing one thing at a time - and before long everyone will wonder what all the fuss was about.

My suggestion is to relax and let the admins continue what is a work in progress.


Yeah, You are right... It just takes some getting used to... but all is for the better.

mcskinney
06-23-2011, 00:10
this is REALLY hard on the eyes! I would suggest a color change to something darker if one were to ask my opinion.

sherrill
06-23-2011, 09:11
New look, same attitude.

mister krabs
06-23-2011, 09:18
Thanks to the Admin team for all your efforts. It's a fact of life that software needs to be maintained and updated, you folks are doing a great job of minimizing the impact.

We'll all get used to the new look and appreciate the efforts you're making to be responsive, like the "today's posts" link.

I do agree that the style sheet is a bit bright.

atraildreamer
06-23-2011, 11:13
Where are my posts? Where are my started threads? How can I reread them and bask in the brilliance they radiate if I can't find them? (I would have inserted an appropriate sarcastic smiley here...but I can't find them either!)

If I can't find the above, how can I find the reply to this post tomorrow?

atraildreamer
06-23-2011, 11:15
OH...there are the smileys...I found them when I tried to delete the double post. :-?

sheepdog
06-23-2011, 11:56
There's probably no way to go back. Whenever an upgrade like this is done you have to plow forward, fixing one thing at a time - and before long everyone will wonder what all the fuss was about.

My suggestion is to relax and let the admins continue what is a work in progress.
Where is the fun in that??

sheepdog
06-23-2011, 11:57
A selection of cheeses would go well with this thread.
So many features, so few donating members.
11638

wunner why??

hikerboy57
06-23-2011, 13:21
I was having trouble finding some of the gun debate threads, but fortunately, a new thread was introduced today. I find them wildly entertaining(I support the right to bear arms, just never saw the need).

JaxHiker
06-23-2011, 16:34
I support the right to bear arms, just never saw the need
You, sir, are a rare breed. Thank you for your support even if you don't feel it's right for you.

WingedMonkey
06-23-2011, 17:36
Does every freaking thread have to get hijacked? This one was about the new look WhiteBlaze.

Doc
06-23-2011, 18:00
Change doesn't work for me. I suspect that my visits will be much fewer.

Ender
06-23-2011, 18:32
Let's try to keep it relatively on topic here folks. And please no posts meant to stir up the pot.

mudhead
06-23-2011, 18:39
Change doesn't work for me. I suspect that my visits will be much fewer.

It is hard on the eyes.

1. How do I get a bigger reply box?

2. Seems slow when you want to delete part of a quoted post. Some new trick I'm missing?

hikerboy57
06-23-2011, 19:38
if we never changed what wasnt 'broken", we'd all be riding horseback, and Leki would be making wooden staffs. as confucious once said as he put a dollar into the machine,"change is inevitable". Im starting to get used to the new layout and I wonder what everyone does when theres a trail relocation. Im amazed that as flexible as long distance hikers are, they can be so intransigent when it comes to a website.Every website is a continuing work in progress. Methinks we all need more hiking, less browsing.But isnt the spirit of adventure the wondering about whats around the next bend?
Hmm, I wonder what Ill find if I click on Quicklinks

LDog
06-23-2011, 19:56
Does anyone have an idea what the "Facebook Platform" option does? I saw that it pulled a bunch of stuff from my FB profile into my WB profile, but what else?

SassyWindsor
06-23-2011, 20:16
I liked the old format better, but maybe there is a good reason for changing. Oh well, the traffic counts may help in deciding if the change was better.

sbhikes
06-23-2011, 21:50
Does anyone have an idea what the "Facebook Platform" option does? I saw that it pulled a bunch of stuff from my FB profile into my WB profile, but what else?

I'm pretty sure it lets Facebook spy on you.

I found out you can disable the full-featured wysiwyg editor and replace it with a simpler one. That seemed to improve posting for me. It was one of the many settings somewhere in there.

Still looking for a setting that lets you choose a color scheme. Out in nature, even the most vivid green isn't like this epilepsy-inducing green whiteblaze has selected. It's not too bad on my mac, but on my PC at work, it's beyond sickening to be almost death-defying to look at it.

Monkeyboy
06-23-2011, 22:54
Still slow loading.....and I have a 20 mbps line speed.

I think the google ad service is what is slowing it down, for whatever reason.

atraildreamer
06-24-2011, 10:46
http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/images/Eloquent/miscgreen/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by 10-K http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/images/Eloquent/buttonsgreen/viewpost-right.png (http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1174434#post1174434)

There's probably no way to go back. Whenever an upgrade like this is done you have to plow forward, fixing one thing at a time - and before long everyone will wonder what all the fuss was about.

My suggestion is to relax and let the admins continue what is a work in progress.



I miss Windows 98! :o

But seriously now, we all have seemed to forget all the hard work and $$$ that Rick (attroll), and others, have put into this site. Let's cut him a break, quit the complaining, and give him a chance to work the bugs out the new software as 10-K suggests!

10-K
06-24-2011, 11:39
Does every freaking thread have to get hijacked?

Uh... yeah.... Don't forget where you're at. :)

Things will get better this fall when a new crop starts asking pre-thru prep questions. When no one needs us we just pick at each other.....

Panzer1
06-24-2011, 11:41
Please go back to the old WAY..... it was just fine

sorry Birchy, I can't agree with that. Especially in the area of software design. The pace of change is software design is picking up speed not remaining the same. Even if the old way was fine, which I agree it was, we must always keep moving forward or be left behind.


Panzer (software developer)

Bearpaw
06-24-2011, 12:21
sorry Birchy, I can't agree with that. Especially in the area of software design. The pace of change is software design is picking up speed not remaining the same. Even if the old way was fine, which I agree it was, we must always keep moving forward or be left behind.


Panzer (software developer)

If you designed software with this many problems, this hostile to users, you'd be fired. And I imagine you would admit this, because this a poor piece of software for users. It's not the fact that software changed, it's that there are some substantial problems.

The search function appears to have dropped everything from late 2003 to the posts made since the upgrade. I went to my own profile and clicked "Show all threads started by Bearpaw". I have dozens of trip reports on here. It showed two posts total. That's a failure for this software.

I won't even get into the issues with posting images. I've found a weak workaround. But the system is VERY non-user-friendly. This is a change for the worse. I don't know that some of the problems will ever be made right.

I notice a lot of sneering from folks who work IT, as if the problem is simply that the rest of us are too stupid to use the software. An "upgrade" should make things easier for casual users, not provide a platform for professionals to look down on those with less technical savvy. So far, this change is a definite downgrade, one that has already caused some users to abandon the site. I may be one of them.

A year and a half ago, I was a moderator for WB. I believed in what the site was doing. Six months ago, I was still a donating member. Now I don't even know if it is worth participating any more because my primary contribution, trip reports and specific advice about various trails is so difficult to access and post.

Two Tents
06-24-2011, 12:44
"as if the problem is simply that the rest of us are too stupid to use the software. An "upgrade" should make things easier for casual users, not provide a platform for professionals to look down on those with less technical savvy."

I'll admit I'm no computer genius. I do not care for the new look but I'll stay cause I like the people and the information here. I just gotta fool around more to try and learn the new way to get and find what I want here. A step backwards for the computer challenged though. Just sayin.

Sly
06-24-2011, 13:07
A year and a half ago, I was a moderator for WB. I believed in what the site was doing. Six months ago, I was still a donating member. Now I don't even know if it is worth participating any more because my primary contribution, trip reports and specific advice about various trails is so difficult to access and post.

It would be a shame if the content of 8 years was forever lost but I doubt that's the case. It may take ATTroll days or weeks tweaking the new software to make it right, but I have faith, that's what he'll do.

That said, another problem I noticed is on the new or today's posts page, the other trails logos are cut off in the right hand column. You can still click the half logo to bring up the forum but...

10-K
06-24-2011, 13:24
If you designed software with this many problems, this hostile to users, you'd be fired. And I imagine you would admit this, because this a poor piece of software for users. It's not the fact that software changed, it's that there are some substantial problems.

The search function appears to have dropped everything from late 2003 to the posts made since the upgrade. I went to my own profile and clicked "Show all threads started by Bearpaw". I have dozens of trip reports on here. It showed two posts total. That's a failure for this software.

I won't even get into the issues with posting images. I've found a weak workaround. But the system is VERY non-user-friendly. This is a change for the worse. I don't know that some of the problems will ever be made right.

I notice a lot of sneering from folks who work IT, as if the problem is simply that the rest of us are too stupid to use the software. An "upgrade" should make things easier for casual users, not provide a platform for professionals to look down on those with less technical savvy. So far, this change is a definite downgrade, one that has already caused some users to abandon the site. I may be one of them.

A year and a half ago, I was a moderator for WB. I believed in what the site was doing. Six months ago, I was still a donating member. Now I don't even know if it is worth participating any more because my primary contribution, trip reports and specific advice about various trails is so difficult to access and post.

I didn't get the feeling anyone was talking down to anyone Bearpaw.... I wasn't anyway.

As a veteran of a few major software upgrades very similar to this one I just know how they go.

It's almost never pretty - the best way to do something like this is to do the upgrade on a test server *first* rather than trying to do it on a live system but very often the resources for that aren't available and you just have to close your eyes and push the button.

There is *always* a group of people who want to go back to the way it was but it's almost never possible to downgrade and restoring an old system from a backup just delays the inevitable - you only want to go through the pain of an upgrade one time.

You can bet attroll is aware that there are a lot of problems and I bet he's working on them as best he can. I doubt very seriously that anything is irretrievably lost but it may take a few days or even weeks to get everything back 100%. Remember, it has only been a few days.

mister krabs
06-24-2011, 14:35
I miss Windows 98! :o

But seriously now, we all have seemed to forget all the hard work and $$$ that Rick (attroll), and others, have put into this site. Let's cut him a break, quit the complaining, and give him a chance to work the bugs out the new software as 10-K suggests!







Plus eleventymillion.

LDog
06-24-2011, 14:51
You can bet attroll is aware that there are a lot of problems and I bet he's working on them as best he can. I doubt very seriously that anything is irretrievably lost but it may take a few days or even weeks to get everything back 100%. Remember, it has only been a few days.

Agreed. This is not run by a major corporation with unlimited resources, and I have no expectations that such an upgrade would be seemless. I see it improving every day, and I have every confidence that it will result in a better site.

Having said that, with the big issues yet to be resolved, it would be helpful if there was a better way of reporting issues than posting them in random threads; if there was more of a two-way communication on the resolution of them; and some feedback on how to use the new interface.

At the same time, folks using the site should be more patient; provide constructive critiques; and not jump right to angry calls to regress and threats to leave the site. I can only imagine that such comments, especially by those who do not support the site financially, are grating to those who are working hard to improve the place ...

10-K
06-24-2011, 15:04
Yes, a temporary forum for problem reports with a format to submit them would be very helpful.

LDog
06-24-2011, 15:45
Yes, a temporary forum for problem reports with a format to submit them would be very helpful.

Perzactly!

nufsaid
06-24-2011, 16:34
For a major upgrade I think things are going pretty well. Always some tweaks to be done. Some will be easier to do than others, and they can't all be done at once. I agree with 10K that some patience is in order.

Rocket Jones
06-24-2011, 17:29
'Nother point: software upgrades may impact the user interface - which we all know has changed - but most of the changes may be behind the scenes, making things easier for the admins to keep things running smooth. The admins are learning as they go, just as we are. Often when someone says, "XYZ is broken", the gurus have to go looking for the "XYZ" bits because they're not always where they used to be.

Reporting problems and issues is helpful. Griping about things in general isn't.

double d
06-24-2011, 18:20
I do like the older formate better, but.......................as others have said, change happens. We still get to hike! Heading to the AT/LT in a few days!

couscous
06-24-2011, 20:40
Using Tapatalk with this new format works great. Most members with iOS devices should appreciate the new option.

LDog
06-24-2011, 20:47
Yes, a temporary forum for problem reports with a format to submit them would be very helpful.

This one seems to be the place folks can submit bug reports and get feedback.
http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/showthread.php?73772-Software-upgrade-coming-soon

Yukon
06-24-2011, 21:21
Using Tapatalk with this new format works great. Most members with iOS devices should appreciate the new option.

Heck yeah! Finally easily readable on my iPhone!!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Jim Adams
06-25-2011, 01:06
Liked the old system way better...easier to read. The old system seemed to be more "comfy" oriented, the new look is just plain data.

geek

Yukon
06-25-2011, 09:34
Geez, why don't all you complainers give the man a minute to get the site up to snuff? A big upgrade like this takes time to get the bugs worked out, I know from experience. Rick will have it all rockin and rollin nicely again, no worries....chillllllll


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Hikes in Rain
06-25-2011, 14:16
I think the upgrade is going pretty darned well, and I thank the mods for all their efforts to make this forum a better place. I've only encountered a couple of problems (which have already been reported and need not be reiterated here).

Two issues I've had that I haven't seen mentioned are probably my own fault. There used to be an arrow symbol to indicate that I've posted to a thread; I haven't noticed anything like that yet. And when I'm reading new posts, I don't see the divider line that used to separate now posts from unread ones. Anyone else noticed that?

Alligator
06-25-2011, 14:53
I think the upgrade is going pretty darned well, and I thank the mods for all their efforts to make this forum a better place. I've only encountered a couple of problems (which have already been reported and need not be reiterated here).

Two issues I've had that I haven't seen mentioned are probably my own fault. There used to be an arrow symbol to indicate that I've posted to a thread; I haven't noticed anything like that yet. And when I'm reading new posts, I don't see the divider line that used to separate now posts from unread ones. Anyone else noticed that?If you look to the left of the thread title there is a folder icon. If there is a small grey rectangle on the folder, the user has posted to that thread. If you then hover over the folder, it will tell you how many posts you have made to the thread.

The divider line has been noted previously (not fixed as of yet).

ChinMusic
06-25-2011, 14:56
If you look to the left of the thread title there is a folder icon. If there is a small grey rectangle on the folder, the user has posted to that thread. If you then hover over the folder, it will tell you how many posts you have made to the thread.

The divider line has been noted previously (not fixed as of yet).

Any chance of making that "grey rectangle" a different color so it stands out better?

Alligator
06-25-2011, 15:02
Any chance of making that "grey rectangle" a different color so it stands out better?I will look into it. There was a key for the icons before I believe and I was just looking for that.

Alligator
06-25-2011, 15:13
I will look into it. There was a key for the icons before I believe and I was just looking for that.The thread icon legend, simply titled Icon Legend is located at the bottom of the thread listings for a forum (try looking at the bottom of General). It is not showing though at the bottom of New Posts or Todays Posts.

Rocket Jones
06-25-2011, 16:26
Thanks Alligator! I knew about the grey rectangle (someone had mentioned it before) but didn't know about the hover-to-see-how-many-times-you-posted feature.

neighbor dave
06-25-2011, 16:54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCWdCKPtnYE

Hikes in Rain
06-25-2011, 17:07
If you look to the left of the thread title there is a folder icon. If there is a small grey rectangle on the folder, the user has posted to that thread. If you then hover over the folder, it will tell you how many posts you have made to the thread.

The divider line has been noted previously (not fixed as of yet).

I thought it was something I was missing. Didn't see either of those, so thank you!

brotheral
06-25-2011, 19:32
Please go back to the old WAY..... it was just fine
Please! Please! Please! Go back to the old "Look"if at all possible... I don't like this at all.. I was getting ready to send a donation as mine had expired awhile ago, but I don't like this change.

LDog
06-25-2011, 19:36
<Lurch mode on> Groooooan....</Lurch>

Monkeyboy
06-26-2011, 00:09
Still sssssssssssssllllllllllllllooooooooooooowwwwwwww

brotheral
06-26-2011, 05:45
Liked the old system way better...easier to read. The old system seemed to be more "comfy" oriented, the new look is just plain data.

geek
I totally agree !!!!!!!!

d.o.c
06-26-2011, 09:08
the more things change the more things stay the same..

trailangelmary
06-26-2011, 09:33
I think you can get to your subscribed threads by clicking the "Settings" button at the top right side, next to the "Log Out" button.

P.S. You can only see this button when you're logged in.
Its on the quick links tab

trailangelmary
06-26-2011, 09:34
I miss the Go to first unread post link

LDog
06-26-2011, 09:46
Its on the quick links tab Yes, but the quick links tab, unfortunately, is not on every screen ...

LDog
06-26-2011, 09:50
It's moved, but it's still here. Just under the Thread Title, there's a blue bar where that link used to be. Look to just right of center screen on that blue bar, and you'll see "View First Unread," If you're in a thread you've read before.

Ender
06-26-2011, 11:25
Still sssssssssssssllllllllllllllooooooooooooowwwwwwww

I'm not seeing any difference in speed at all. It still goes just as fast for me. Maybe try clearing out your browser cache?

WalkinHome
06-26-2011, 11:40
I applaud Troll's efforts to upgrade WB. I have not noticed any change in speed. Many of the complaints sound cosmetic, which if I were him, I would give a low priority while fixing operational issues. Pointing out things that need attention is good. I would guess that the upgrade comes with expanded functions and security improvements, many of which will likely become apparent down the trail. If this is all a deal breaker for you, I don't know how some of you deal with everything mother nature can throw at you while hiking. Keeping this web site up and running requires alot of work so how about we limit criticism to the constructive type rather than Oh, I was gonna donate but now...blah, blah, blah. whine, whine, whine. Fair weather friends do not help. No one is gonna die because of this bump in the trail. Thanks Troll, just renewed my donation. See you on the trail!

Regulus
06-26-2011, 11:53
Oooooo! Fancy new gadgets and gimmicks to keep the masses http://twitter.com/favicon.ico (http://search.twitter.com/search?q=Change%20for%20the%20sake%20of%20change%2 0is%20how%20this%20culture%20has%20been%20taught.% 20Everyone%20wants%20bigger%2C%20better%2C%20faste r%20but%20rarely%20)http://www.google.com/favicon.ico (http://www.google.com/search?q=Change%20for%20the%20sake%20of%20change%2 0is%20how%20this%20culture%20has%20been%20taught.% 20Everyone%20wants%20bigger%2C%20better%2C%20faste r%20but%20rarely%20)http://static.smarterfox.com/media/wiki-favicon-sharpened.png (http://smarterfox.com/wikisearch/search?q=Change%20for%20the%20sake%20of%20change%2 0is%20how%20this%20culture%20has%20been%20taught.% 20Everyone%20wants%20bigger%2C%20better%2C%20faste r%20but%20rarely%20&locale=en-US)http://static.smarterfox.com/media/popup_bubble/oneriot-favicon.ico (http://www.oneriot.com/search?p=smarterfox&ssrc=smarterfox_popup_bubble&spid=8493c8f1-0b5b-4116-99fd-f0bcb0a3b602&q=Change%20for%20the%20sake%20of%20change%20is%20h ow%20this%20culture%20has%20been%20taught.%20Every one%20wants%20bigger%2C%20better%2C%20faster%20but %20rarely%20)in check. Build, build, build. Change, change, change. Bigger, better, faster. http://twitter.com/favicon.ico (http://search.twitter.com/search?q=.%20Sounds%20like%20this%20society)http://www.google.com/favicon.ico (http://www.google.com/search?q=.%20Sounds%20like%20this%20society)http://static.smarterfox.com/media/wiki-favicon-sharpened.png (http://smarterfox.com/wikisearch/search?q=.%20Sounds%20like%20this%20society&locale=en-US)http://static.smarterfox.com/media/popup_bubble/oneriot-favicon.ico (http://www.oneriot.com/search?p=smarterfox&ssrc=smarterfox_popup_bubble&spid=8493c8f1-0b5b-4116-99fd-f0bcb0a3b602&q=.%20Sounds%20like%20this%20society)

trailangelmary
06-26-2011, 13:26
It's moved, but it's still here. Just under the Thread Title, there's a blue bar where that link used to be. Look to just right of center screen on that blue bar, and you'll see "View First Unread," If you're in a thread you've read before.

Thanks. Found it!!!

trailangelmary
06-26-2011, 13:28
Yes, but the quick links tab, unfortunately, is not on every screen ...

It's on the grey tab bar
New Posts
Private Messages
FAQ
Calendar
Community
Forum Actions
Quick Links

bessiebreeze
06-26-2011, 13:30
This is AWFUL.

harryfred
06-26-2011, 13:37
If I take to long to reply to a thread I find myself loged out and can not reply. Took me three trys to get this posted:confused: Oh and smileys arn't working correctly:mad:

harryfred
06-26-2011, 13:41
I applaud Troll's efforts to upgrade WB. I have not noticed any change in speed. Many of the complaints sound cosmetic, which if I were him, I would give a low priority while fixing operational issues. Pointing out things that need attention is good. I would guess that the upgrade comes with expanded functions and security improvements, many of which will likely become apparent down the trail. If this is all a deal breaker for you, I don't know how some of you deal with everything mother nature can throw at you while hiking. Keeping this web site up and running requires alot of work so how about we limit criticism to the constructive type rather than Oh, I was gonna donate but now...blah, blah, blah. whine, whine, whine. Fair weather friends do not help. No one is gonna die because of this bump in the trail. Thanks Troll, just renewed my donation. See you on the trail!
For the record I agree. I amn having a lot of trouble with this site right now. I am slow and I need spell check worse than matty STOP LOGGING ME OUT IF I TAKE TOO LONG TO POST:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

WalkinHome
06-26-2011, 13:49
Ironic that I had that problem on the old site, could never figure out the timing as sometimes it would leave me logged in forever and sometimes 5 minutes LOL. Assumed that there was some sort of algorithm that was trying to balance current users with server capabilities. In self defense I frequently copy replies to my clipboard - just in case!

LDog
06-26-2011, 14:00
It's on the grey tab bar

It does appear on the Home page, Settings page, the Forums home page, any Forum page, and most other pages I've checked. Unfortunately for me, it's not on the New Posts page where I spend the bulk of my time here ...


My "work flow" has evolved since the upgrade only slightly. When I come to WB, I always go to Settings (formerly UserCP) first to see what's been posted in those threads in which I have been participating. That's a one click link to where I want to be as opposed to going to quick links and selecting subscribed threads. Then I go to New Posts to see what's new and interesting. For whatever reason, quick links is not on that page, but no matter, cause Settings is always there for a quick peak at my subscribed threads. Then I Mark Forums Read to clear my que, so to speak ...

BR549
06-26-2011, 14:18
This SUCKS!!! Too much BS on the homepage and not enough room for relevant stuff like recent threads.

Ender
06-26-2011, 14:29
This SUCKS!!! Too much BS on the homepage and not enough room for relevant stuff like recent threads.
There is an entire section on the Homepage dedicated to recent threads on the right side. It takes up the entire right side.

Blissful
06-26-2011, 15:40
Wow I leave for Bermuda for a week and everything has changed!!! Okay, here we go I guess. When I get back home (still in Bermuda) I'll have to figure it out quick before I leave again. :sun

TheTwanger
06-26-2011, 15:51
I like the new look... So long as no functionality is changed and it doesn't seem to be.. I'm the kind of person who rearranges furniture every month though

atraildreamer
06-26-2011, 17:19
When the update(s) are finished, will we be able to easily access our pre-change posts? I don't look forward to sifting through thousands (?) of threads/posts to find something that I need to refer to. All I see now are posts made after the changeover.

Nearly Normal
06-26-2011, 22:54
slow, and kinda shakey, like a dog passing persimmon seeds.

Lyle
06-26-2011, 23:06
I just got back from a hike. I like the changes. Seems much cleaner. Color could maybe be toned down a bit, but it's not that bad. I really like the black type on white background - easy to read. So many sites are going to blue on gray, or light gray on dark gray, or some other such idiocy.

Good change.

Sarcasm the elf
06-26-2011, 23:14
I haven't read the entire thread so apologies if this has already been mentioned, but has anyone else noticed some quirks when visiting the upgraded site using an iPhone/smartphone The pre upgrade layout was identical on my computer and phone, but the new site has had problems loading correctly on my phone, also it seems that every time I post a reply, the system ignores where I hit return and condenses the response into one long running paragraph.(Next paragraph) This is not mean to be a complaint about the upgrade, I just hope that these bugs are going to get sorted out at some point.(Next paragraph) And please, don't reply pointing out that there is some sort of mobile app available, I didn't get a phone with a fully functioning web bowser just to go to a fake website.

weary
06-26-2011, 23:28
It looks a little different, but that's just something that I'll get used to eventually. No big deal at all as far as I'm concerned. All the functionality is still there, it just looks a little different.

I'm guessing that the upgrade really helps on the back end of the site, making it run smoother, and is easier to operate for the admins. That's a good thing.
Well, maybe so. I'm gradually getting used to the awkward placement of things, or at least placements different that what I used to see. But there are bugs -- or what I call bugs. For instance when I reply with quotes to a long message -- or even just pause for a moment or two to gather my thoughts while replying without quioting -- my message keeps jumping back up, again and again. Yeah, I can trick the computer into allowing me to get to the end of what I'm writing, but only rarely now do I get to read from end to end a message before posting it. Want an example? This message disappeared five times before I was able to post it. Make that 12 times. I tried to change a period to a question mark and the message disappeared five more times.

Monkeyboy
06-26-2011, 23:47
I do on a regular basis, and have a 20 mbps line speed. Usually hangs for a bit loading the google ads. Shows the page and then goes to limbo loading the advertisements.

Monkeyboy
06-26-2011, 23:49
I'm not seeing any difference in speed at all. It still goes just as fast for me. Maybe try clearing out your browser cache?

Sorry, the above post was in response to Enders response....

Highway Man
06-26-2011, 23:50
Upgrading software of a web is usually positive. At the same time, I had some thoughts about a couple of minor things that may contribute to the betterment of this site, and can be ignored as well.

- Is it possible to increase the size limit of the photos to be uploaded? 1,024x1,024 pixels don't seem to be big enough these days as a lot of people are using large monitors with high resolutions. JPEG compression may help offset the storage problem brought by the larger dimensions of the photos.

- It's a little disheartening to see the photos in WB gallery get downsized when attached to a post here at WB. The point is, the post-process rendered from a more sophisticated software is much better than the processing engine here.

Pedaling Fool
07-03-2011, 19:31
FWIW, the pics just don't look as nice after the update; I liked the old Gallery much better.

Trail Bug
07-04-2011, 07:25
I agree. Nothing was wrong with the old site.
Please go back to the old WAY..... it was just fine

Jeff
07-04-2011, 10:55
The site is getting a little better every day.

And, I found the spellchecker !!!! Not sure if it was on the old version, but it is something I really appreciate.

chief
07-04-2011, 13:06
So many features, so few donating members.but enough donations to buy an update and extra cost of the unbranded version, huh?

Rocket Jones
07-04-2011, 14:15
but enough donations to buy an update and extra cost of the unbranded version, huh?

You have no idea whether or not the upgrade was paid for with donations or out-of-pocket by the owner and/or mods.

emerald
07-04-2011, 14:24
Expect more posts from those who don't visit regularly and haven't read the entire thread.

Wise Old Owl
07-08-2011, 22:57
Still frustrated, its great on FireFox lousy on Explorer, at least I can now log in on Explorer. The " I have posted in this thread Flag" grey on green is awful.

wyclif
07-10-2011, 03:07
No, no, no. The old was was not fine. The old way was extremely broken. I can't even begin to tell you how antiquated and cluttered the whole site was. It is not 1998 on the web anymore!

Carl in FL
07-10-2011, 10:49
The slow loading, screen jumping up/down and general sluggishness are
tolerable, but the site is simply not up to previous performance, which
was better than average. I am not saying this to complain, just to give
objective feedback.

Wise Old Owl
07-10-2011, 11:06
I haven't read the entire thread so apologies if this has already been mentioned, but has anyone else noticed some quirks when visiting the upgraded site using an iPhone/smartphone The pre upgrade layout was identical on my computer and phone, but the new site has had problems loading correctly on my phone, also it seems that every time I post a reply, the system ignores where I hit return and condenses the response into one long running paragraph.(Next paragraph) This is not mean to be a complaint about the upgrade, I just hope that these bugs are going to get sorted out at some point.(Next paragraph) And please, don't reply pointing out that there is some sort of mobile app available, I didn't get a phone with a fully functioning web bowser just to go to a fake website.


I think you just pointed out why this was done.

Wise Old Owl
07-10-2011, 11:08
The slow loading, screen jumping up/down and general sluggishness are
tolerable, but the site is simply not up to previous performance, which
was better than average. I am not saying this to complain, just to give
objective feedback.


Well if you stop hopping up and down over there while posting on a old computer maybe we can all have a better day! - just kidding. I see it too.

TIDE-HSV
07-10-2011, 12:01
I also haven't read the entire thread, so, SIAP. I help administer a sports site which also uses vB. We also put off upgrading from v3 to v4 for a long time. It was eventually security which forced the upgrade to vB4. There are features I like and quite a few I don't like, looking at it from the admin side. Duplicating the old look was probably impossible. It certainly was for us...

weary
07-10-2011, 14:06
The slow loading, screen jumping up/down and general sluggishness are
tolerable, but the site is simply not up to previous performance, which
was better than average. I am not saying this to complain, just to give
objective feedback.
Then there is the irritating query, "are you sure you want to leave?" everytime I click to find the "first unread" post of the thread.

HockeyGirl
07-12-2011, 08:38
Is there anyone else having a problem with the search function?
I've relied on this so much until now - I enter an item and after 3 mins the thing still says it's loading.
I've tried this several times now and have yet to actually get the search to pop up its answer.

Any help???

chynabear
07-13-2011, 01:13
There is so much info on this site that I find it a bit difficult to see everything as it's packed really tightly in spots, but I am new to the site and am just learning about all that is here....I will figure it out eventually....

attroll
07-13-2011, 02:52
I went back to the original color green that we used as the background since the conception of WhiteBlaze. I hope that will be a little bit easier on everyone's eyes again.

Tipi Walter
07-13-2011, 07:10
What happened to all of our older posts??

Rain Man
07-13-2011, 11:16
Yes, thanks, Rick! Now, if you'd just put the message count back near the page count like it used to be, at the bottom right of each page, I'd love it! My eyes go crossed going back and forth like at some tennis match, with the "new and improved" format.

Rain:sunMan

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Skidsteer
07-13-2011, 21:26
What happened to the "New Posts" button at the bottom of each thread page?

attroll
07-14-2011, 18:33
Well, I am working no this right now. It seems at this point I cannot get the page counts to justify left if I have the New Posts in there. I am working on trying to fix this. It will require a little programming.
I will get it, just give me a little time.

trailangelmary
07-18-2011, 04:18
Then there is the irritating query, "are you sure you want to leave?" everytime I click to find the "first unread" post of the thread.
I agree, irratating! And sometimes it reminds me of facebook with that weird overlapping sometimes.

Jim Adams
07-18-2011, 08:35
Well, it's been a few weeks since the format change...still don't like it! Sorry, I just found the old format far easier to use and actually more intersting to look at.

geek

Jonnycat
07-18-2011, 09:49
Is there anyone else having a problem with the search function?
I've relied on this so much until now - I enter an item and after 3 mins the thing still says it's loading.
I've tried this several times now and have yet to actually get the search to pop up its answer.

Any help???

Yes, I had this same problem last week when I ran a search. The trick (for me) was to minimize the window and forget about the search; when I came back some time later it had finished and I had the results.

JaxHiker
07-18-2011, 10:50
I'm getting that every time I try to post.

ETA: Go figure. Except for this time. :)

Rain Man
07-24-2011, 13:50
Just an apparent glitch to report. Today after a week away, it said I had over 2,000 new posts, but the "Page x of z" count indicated only 5 pages. In other words, it said "Page 1 of 5." However, as I plowed through, I discovered there were 20 pages and NOT just 5 pages.

Just FYI.

Rain:sunMan

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attroll
07-24-2011, 14:00
The pages indicate the amount of threads that have new posts in them. Keep in mind that you could have 30 to 100 posts or more in each thread that you have not read that are new to you.

Carl in FL
07-24-2011, 14:13
Probably the biggest issue I see is this, which affects readability and/or the desire to read:

When I click the little symbol that takes me to the first unread post in a topic,
it takes me there fairly fast, but when I start reading, sections of the page
that are still "assembling" abruptly shift the page up or down, and competing
sections will then shift it the other way. When this happens two or three times
during a page assembly, the frustration level reaches high altitude.

Technically, I cannot tell if the data is coming off the SQL server slowly or
if something in the code (Java and/or pHp) is executing poorly. You could
always try temporarily disabling certain features until this issue goes away
or dramatically improves, but I suspect you already know this.

I do know the previous incarnation of this forum was "snappy". Highly
responsive. Now it is on par with the eBay discussion boards. Wish I could
be of definitive help other than relaying the client-side experience.

Pedaling Fool
07-24-2011, 14:23
I don't notice that much of a jump, a little jumping, but not enough to even disrupt my reading.

Carl in FL
07-24-2011, 14:33
I don't notice that much of a jump, a little jumping, but not enough to even disrupt my reading.

Desktop XP - lots of jump
Laptop Vista - not as much jump

They have different builds of the Java Runtime Environment too.
So many variables today, very difficult to debug.

attroll
07-24-2011, 14:38
I don't notice that much of a jump, a little jumping, but not enough to even disrupt my reading.
The jump is most likely due to your computer or the speed of you download from your internet provider. It is because you are trying to red the page before your page is done downloading off the web onto your computer.
I am not having this issue at all. I am accessing the the web site just like everyone else. The server is located in Texas and I am in Maine.

Pedaling Fool
07-24-2011, 15:03
It only seems to happen when I open a post. Any other time there is no jump at all. However, I don't know if this has always been there or if it just started with the change in the website?

Carl in FL
07-24-2011, 17:11
The jump is most likely due to your computer or the speed of you download from your internet provider. It is because you are trying to red the page before your page is done downloading off the web onto your computer.
I am not having this issue at all. I am accessing the the web site just like everyone else. The server is located in Texas and I am in Maine.

This WinMtr run probably doesn't show us what we need to know.
But it looks like my ISP is not the bottleneck.




|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| WinMTR statistics |
| Host - % | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
| 192.168.1.1 - 0 | 101 | 101 | 0 | 0 | 16 | 0 |
| 96.120.36.121 - 0 | 101 | 101 | 0 | 7 | 16 | 0 |
| 68.86.162.133 - 0 | 101 | 101 | 0 | 8 | 31 | 0 |
|te-9-4-ur01.stluciewest.fl.pompano.comcast.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 0 | 9 | 32 | 0 |
|te-9-4-ur01.ftpierce.fl.pompano.comcast.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 0 | 9 | 31 | 0 |
te-1-4-ar01.stuart.fl.pompano.comcast.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 0 | 13 | 109 | 0 |
|te-0-4-0-5-ar03.northdade.fl.pompano.comcast.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 0 | 15 | 31 | 16 |
|pos-0-4-0-0-cr01.miami.fl.ibone.comcast.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 0 | 14 | 31 | 15 |
| xe-10-0-0.edge2.Miami1.Level3.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 0 | 17 | 125 | 15 |
| ae-31-51.ebr1.Miami1.Level3.net - 0 | 100 | 100 | 0 | 18 | 32 | 31 |
ae-2-2.ebr1.Dallas1.Level3.net - 0 | 100 | 100 | 31 | 41 | 78 | 46 |
| ae-91-91.csw4.Dallas1.Level3.net - 0 | 100 | 100 | 31 | 40 | 47 | 31 |
| ae-4-90.edge3.Dallas1.Level3.net - 0 | 100 | 100 | 31 | 46 | 109 | 47 |
| COLO4-DALLA.edge3.Dallas1.Level3.net - 0 | 100 | 100 | 31 | 49 | 235 | 47 |
| 206.123.64.130 - 0 | 100 | 100 | 31 | 44 | 156 | 47 |
| at.whiteblazehosting.net - 0 | 100 | 100 | 31 | 45 | 47 | 47 |
|________________________________________________| ______|______|______|______|______|______|

attroll
07-24-2011, 23:02
This WinMtr run probably doesn't show us what we need to know.
But it looks like my ISP is not the bottleneck.




|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| WinMTR statistics |
| Host - % | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
| 192.168.1.1 - 0 | 101 | 101 | 0 | 0 | 16 | 0 |
| 96.120.36.121 - 0 | 101 | 101 | 0 | 7 | 16 | 0 |
| 68.86.162.133 - 0 | 101 | 101 | 0 | 8 | 31 | 0 |
|te-9-4-ur01.stluciewest.fl.pompano.comcast.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 0 | 9 | 32 | 0 |
|te-9-4-ur01.ftpierce.fl.pompano.comcast.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 0 | 9 | 31 | 0 |
te-1-4-ar01.stuart.fl.pompano.comcast.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 0 | 13 | 109 | 0 |
|te-0-4-0-5-ar03.northdade.fl.pompano.comcast.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 0 | 15 | 31 | 16 |
|pos-0-4-0-0-cr01.miami.fl.ibone.comcast.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 0 | 14 | 31 | 15 |
| xe-10-0-0.edge2.Miami1.Level3.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 0 | 17 | 125 | 15 |
| ae-31-51.ebr1.Miami1.Level3.net - 0 | 100 | 100 | 0 | 18 | 32 | 31 |
ae-2-2.ebr1.Dallas1.Level3.net - 0 | 100 | 100 | 31 | 41 | 78 | 46 |
| ae-91-91.csw4.Dallas1.Level3.net - 0 | 100 | 100 | 31 | 40 | 47 | 31 |
| ae-4-90.edge3.Dallas1.Level3.net - 0 | 100 | 100 | 31 | 46 | 109 | 47 |
| COLO4-DALLA.edge3.Dallas1.Level3.net - 0 | 100 | 100 | 31 | 49 | 235 | 47 |
| 206.123.64.130 - 0 | 100 | 100 | 31 | 44 | 156 | 47 |
| at.whiteblazehosting.net - 0 | 100 | 100 | 31 | 45 | 47 | 47 |
|________________________________________________| ______|______|______|______|______|______|

Maybe it is your computer or your browser. I am running Windows XP and my Browser is Chrome. It is working fine for me.

Rain Man
07-25-2011, 08:29
The pages indicate the amount of threads that have new posts in them. Keep in mind that you could have 30 to 100 posts or more in each thread that you have not read that are new to you.

Yes, I'm aware of that. But it still gave a false "report" of how many pages it took to list all the threads with new posts. By comparison, after leaving WhiteBlaze, I went to HammockForums. It correctly listed the number of pages it took to show me all the threads with new posts.

Not a major thing, but an obvious glitch all the same. I know it'll take a while to work all these out.

Rain Man

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