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Transient Being
12-26-2011, 21:52
I've done quite a bit of reading and self-experimentation, and have come to the conclusion that I'm gonna start leaving my water filter at home. What I'm looking for now is a lightweight simple way to get water pumped into my bladder. I was thinking if I had a hose with one of those balls (kinda like a boat fuel line with the primer ball) to pump the water into my bladder. Any Ideas?

Northern Lights
12-26-2011, 22:06
What I'm looking for now is a lightweight simple way to get water pumped into my bladder. I was thinking if I had a hose with one of those balls (kinda like a boat fuel line with the primer ball) to pump the water into my bladder. Any Ideas?

Just drink it, it makes it's way to your bladder eventually :P Sorry Couldn't help myself.

Transient Being
12-26-2011, 22:25
haha! thanks for the laugh! My other bladder :P

leaftye
12-26-2011, 22:26
Why do you want to pump it? I just cut the bottom off of a disposable water bottle and use it to scoop water into a bladder. It's light and fairly quick.

Transient Being
12-26-2011, 22:43
I've just got used to pumping it in through the tube I suppose. Seems like it would be a pita to take the bladder out of my overstuffed pack to fill it, but thanks for the bottle idea, I've been thinking of how to get the water without my filter.

d.o.c
12-26-2011, 23:07
just use your filter

Transient Being
12-26-2011, 23:44
The filter is HEAVY, that's why I want to leave it. I've been drinking unfiltered water and read alot of other people drink it unfiltered no problem. If i can find a pump that weighs a couple oz.'s I could pump water into my bladder without removing it from my pack, and as an added bonus, I could easily get water out of little puddles that would be otherwise very hard to retrieve water from.

10-K
12-26-2011, 23:49
Cut the top off a 20 oz plastic coke bottle and use that for a dipper. Faster than a pump and you get the floaties too. (I hear they're nutritious... )

leaftye
12-26-2011, 23:51
Buy the Sawyer filter by itself. It's 3 ounces with the sports bottle spout and a bladder, so should be closer to 2 ounces with just the bladder. Cut the tube in your current hydration bladder and insert the filter. Now all you have to do is fill your hydration bladder with unfiltered water. Add the bottle 'cup' for maybe another 1/2 ounce, and you have only added maybe 2 1/2 ounces to your system and you have filtered water that you can drink and filter at the same time.

wornoutboots
12-27-2011, 00:54
is there a difference in colder temps verses warmer temps as far as bacteria?? Like if I'm winter hiking & it's consistantly below freezing, does that kill most or all bacteria & it's safer to not filter? I would assume that the warmer seasons make for much more bacteria??

Transient Being
12-27-2011, 01:25
That's what I've been told. Hotter equals more risk.

Bucho
12-27-2011, 17:16
That's what I've been told. Hotter equals more risk.

That's my understanding as well hence the invention of refrigerators.

Transient Being
12-29-2011, 02:16
The force is strong in you I see.....Your wisdom surpasses all understanding.

Bucho
12-30-2011, 13:53
The force is strong in you I see.....Your wisdom surpasses all understanding.

ROTFL That's a great phrase I'm so stealing it.

We were talking about bacteria growth, bacteria does better in warm temperatures as opposed to cold temperatures http://www.fsis.usda.gov/factsheets/how_temperatures_affect_food/index.asp

T (http://www.fsis.usda.gov/factsheets/how_temperatures_affect_food/index.asp)his is a basic concept that we've all bought into to as evidenced by the big white boxes in our kitchens.

Transient Being
12-30-2011, 14:15
haha, yeah, your comment cracked me up too, I though I'd try to return the favor.

I've been lugging around a water filter that I use sometimes, and don't use sometimes. I've come to the conclusion that the majority of the water is 100% safe, 99% of the time. I might get some aqua-mira to use if I think I need it.

Bucho
12-30-2011, 14:45
I've been lugging around a water filter that I use sometimes, and don't use sometimes. I've come to the conclusion that the majority of the water is 100% safe, 99% of the time. I might get some aqua-mira to use if I think I need it.

Yeah, that's a pretty common sentiment. As for getting water into your pack more easily, I don't know. The Katadyn hiker pro with it's quick connect valve is neat that way but also 11oz. I also suppose you could do something similar to the sawyer gravity filter scheme and leave out the filter so that you've got a water bag that you dump directly into your water bladder via a quick connect, but that doesn't get you the pumping ability that you want.

I don't know maybe look into the pumps that homebrewers use for siphoning.

rsmout
12-30-2011, 15:19
I've just got used to pumping it in through the tube I suppose. Seems like it would be a pita to take the bladder out of my overstuffed pack to fill it, but thanks for the bottle idea, I've been thinking of how to get the water without my filter.

Pumping water into the bladder, what you were doing before, used the motive force of the filter pump to push the water up and into the bladder. The shaker siphon tube you're talking about doesn't 'pump' anything - it just gets a siphon action going without you have to suck the end of the tube. But remember that all siphon action, except capillary action, requires the receptacle (the bladder) to be lower than the source (spring, stream, lake, puddle, etc.). And if you managed to contort yourself into a position to make it happen, you wouldn't be able to see or stop the alligators from going into the bladder.

The scooper suggestions are all good, but you're going to have to set your pack down, get the bladder out, and scoop and fill. My thought was to pack one of those plastic cocktail glasses. This would give you a magnified view of what went into the glass before you poured it into the bladder.

On the subject of waterborne microbes and parasites, those buggers are in the water whether it's hot or cold. Guess what happens when they hit the 98.6F in your stomach? And beaver fever (giardiasis) is endemic in most ponds and streams in the Northeast, and that water stays cold most of the year.

Chaco Taco
01-02-2012, 10:20
We have a simple water system. Used water bottles from the store, I usually carry 2, one for water, one for mixing drinks then a 2 liter platy for drinking while hiking and fill as needed. I usually will carry an extra little bit in my water bottle if I need extra before getting to water sources. Usually gets me enough water for 4-5 miles. All 3 full when its warm. No filter, aquaria for sketch water. Typically don't treat unless Im skeptical. Use the water bottle or my pot to scoop water.

Bucho
01-02-2012, 23:48
On the subject of waterborne microbes and parasites, those buggers are in the water whether it's hot or cold. Guess what happens when they hit the 98.6F in your stomach? And beaver fever (giardiasis) is endemic in most ponds and streams in the Northeast, and that water stays cold most of the year.

Oh if we're talking giardia, cold actually preserves that.

"How long can Giardia cysts survive in the
environment?
The survival of Giardia cysts in the
environment is significantly affected by
temperature; survivability decreases as the
temperature increases. A small fraction of
cysts can withstand a single freeze-thaw cycle.
Cysts can survive for 2 to 3 months in water
temperatures of less than 10 C, and at 21 C,
cysts have remained viable for almost one
month. Cysts are killed in 10 minutes at a
water temperature of 54 C. Raising the water
temperature to boiling immediately kills cysts."

http://water.epa.gov/action/advisories/drinking/upload/2009_02_03_criteria_humanhealth_microbial_giardiaf s.pdf

dave_phillips
01-21-2012, 20:20
Just because they're not in the water one day doesn't mean they won't be there the next day. If you are doing the trail, or part of it, any farmland you pass has the potential to wash animal waste into the watershed. And even if you say you are only going to get it from freshwater streams, that is not possible on some parts of the trail. Water filters would allow you to get it out of a puddle if you really had to. You say it's not worth the weight, but it's probably good to have one as a backup. Sell the one you have and buy a Katadyn Hiker Pro - it's the lightest filter available. Here's a review of the Hiker Pro (http://www.watermicrofilters.com/katadyn-water-microfilters/katadyn-hiker-pro-microfilter-review/) I found. Think about it.

4eyedbuzzard
01-21-2012, 21:19
Or get a steripen. I use a platypus big zip and just fill it and stick the steripen in for a minute and good to go.

Transient Being
01-21-2012, 22:06
I've been thinking about how to get the water in through my bladder tube and I've got the idea, but haven't found the piece I need yet. If I had a lid for a water bottle that had a nipple on it, I could simply attach the bottle to the hose and squeeze the water in through the hose without tearing into my overstuffed pack...

Bucho
01-22-2012, 17:00
Or get a steripen. I use a platypus big zip and just fill it and stick the steripen in for a minute and good to go.

Steripen! We hates it, we hates it, we hates it forever!!

Bucho
01-22-2012, 19:49
Water filters would allow you to get it out of a puddle if you really had to. You say it's not worth the weight, but it's probably good to have one as a backup. Sell the one you have and buy a Katadyn Hiker Pro - it's the lightest filter available. Here's a review of the Hiker Pro (http://www.watermicrofilters.com/katadyn-water-microfilters/katadyn-hiker-pro-microfilter-review/) I found. Think about it.

Huh I wonder if the right answer for him is to take an old pump filter and leave out the filter element.

Papa D
01-22-2012, 20:07
I don't think I'm qualified regarding this bladder thing because I've tried bladders and platys and just really don't like them - water sloshes around, I think it's going to get poked and break and of course all the hassle you seem to be going through with this. I carry 2 empty gatorade bottles - I use them for water collection (I sometimes use a little tube, and a cloth "water bucket - kind of like a doggy bowl when the source is meager), I use them for drinking deeply out of when I want to and I set them for use when preparing meals. Sometimes, I use aqua-mira, sometimes I just don't treat based on the source, the season, etc. The only change that I make to this system is when it's going to be very cold - I then take insulated nalgene bottles - it's easier to keep the water from freezing and I can fill them with boiling water and sleep VERY warmly with them.