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Water Rat
08-10-2012, 16:45
[QUOTE=Mountain Maiden;1319630]Ohhhhhhhhhhh--THIS child--as absolutely adorable and sweet as he appears, is the child that according to his mother, is one of the reasons they are on the Trail and can't just 'go home.' He's burned their house down, terrorized the neighborhood, stolen from neighbors, abuses the other siblings, etc. She says if they go home, he will be put in jail. Evidently, this hike was an agreement with the authorities to keep him away from the neighbors. He can be cute and cunning at the same time. I witnessed this. She was probably enjoying the break and time with the other children. (Not that it makes it right...) He is a beautiful child and hopefully will get the help he needs at some point before he ends up in real trouble.[/QUOTE

" I'm confused again...is she traveling with one, or two kids with developmental challenges? One of her earliest journal entries mentions a kid with autism. I got the impression that the one with ODD joined them at a later date. Wow. "

In addition to the 11 or 12 yr old who wandered off, the 15yr old is autistic.

Water Rat
08-10-2012, 16:52
In her journal (July 4th entry), she mentions moving to Idaho in February. Her plans are to hit the CDT next year.

Lone Wolf
08-10-2012, 17:49
$6 per night, per person is the required donation. no work for stay. hikers using the hostel are supposed to clean it, wash their towels, etc.


I don't understand the concept of a "required donation". Please explain.

o.k. replace required with expected. the hostel isn't free like a lot of thru-hikers think. you would not believe how many hikers leave no money after using it for 2-3 days. $6 per night is hardly asking for much. the last few years the church had to dig into other budgets to pay for upkeep, sewer, water, electric, mowing, etc. if one can't afford it they need to camp on the edge of town. i've lost count of the number of hikers that asked to stay a few extra nights to wait on a money drop with a promise to put cash in the box then hit the trail without leaving a dime. bottom line, you're on vacation, not some live changing mission. do the right thing in towns. pay your way

Veetack
08-10-2012, 22:50
I met them at the NOC back in early June. They were really interesting to talk to, and I remember her telling me that one of her kids was autistic. If I'm not mistaken, it was her teenage son, and he was extremely high functioning if he was autistic. Relly cool kid though, and the whole family seemed like they were having a blast.

Sly
08-10-2012, 23:52
Uncalled for remark. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and right to post if not breaking the rules. At least by opening this topic, more hostels and potential donators know the truth. What they choose to do with that info is up to them.

Yeah, and people have the right to hike if they're not breaking any laws. Cheer Bear & family aren't here to explain or defend themselves,they don't need to be lynched by a bunch of cyber hikers, or internet family specialists.

I'm sure they'll be more welcome to service providers and trail angels on the trail than they have been on Whiteblaze.

Kryptonite
08-11-2012, 00:11
Yeah, and people have the right to hike if they're not breaking any laws. Cheer Bear & family aren't here to explain or defend themselves,they don't need to be lynched by a bunch of cyber hikers, or internet family specialists.

We are all entitled to our opinion and thank God we live in countries where we aren't censored. Oh wait, it seems as though you have appointed yourself as judge and jury as to what opinions are allowed to be voiced here. Maybe if you were the one who had donated to this woman who claimed to be flat broke while having a credit card and spending over $600 in town or like Lone Wolf had spent hours out of his night returning her boy; or the organization who put up this woman and was stiffed - you would feel differently. I don't care if your opinion is different, but this doesn't mean that we are all going to agree.

Sly
08-11-2012, 00:45
If you want to continue to criticize a family that's just out there hiking, not breaking any laws, because you don't agree with their planning, gear or lifestyle, fine, but don't try to read into things. It's obvious the family isn't flat broke, they've been hiking, traveled to and from home, and have a credit card. If you realize how hikes, or life, works sometimes, you'd know there are times when you're low on cash. I put travelers checks in mail drops, others have to wait until their pay hits the bank.

The thread is full of other examples that fail to see any bright side but only look for the negatives. If it makes you feel better continue your criticism.

Sly
08-11-2012, 00:49
Hike My Hike – Damn It! (HMHDI) (http://www.pmags.com/hike-my-hike-damn-it-hmhdi)

DaveSail
08-11-2012, 01:19
The " Barefoot Sstrs " , while hiking South , were with " The Family From The North ". Assorted children .
Mother carrying one who was still nursing . Very low on provisions and money . Had some srange habits :
Burning full diapers so as not to have to carry the weight ; ( made camp - site smell bad ) . Just wonder
how THEY were treated on this web - site ? David

SassyWindsor
08-11-2012, 01:37
TP and everything else to wipe with can be found along the trail on the ground, especially around shelters and campsites. Full diapers found along the trail would be something new (for me). I would have to recommend to her to BURY the thing instead of trying to burn it. Trail-runners don't deserve this.

Train Wreck
08-11-2012, 03:57
Hike My Hike – Damn It! (HMHDI) (http://www.pmags.com/hike-my-hike-damn-it-hmhdi)



Thanks for the link. I read the whole article, and it's actually pretty funny. I've heard the phrase "Hike Your Own Hike" ever since I started section-hiking over 20 years ago, and I thought knew in a roundabout way what the term meant, but Paul Magnanti's definition sums it up nicely:
"What does HYOH mean?

Loosely defined, it means enjoy your journey and let others enjoy theirs. As long as your journey does not impose upon anyone else, it does not matter how fast or slow you go, or what gear you take or even what route you decide upon. HYOH means to best enjoy the journey based upon your own personal safety, comfort and fun levels."


I guess you approve of his interpretation of HYOH since you posted the link. I agree with it, anyway. Based on his interpretation, there are quite a few on this thread who would conclude that this family's hike, to this point, has gone beyond at least a couple of these boundaries several times (not imposing on others & personal safety are the two that come to my mind). Two separate child rescues on two different days, one involving several local search & rescue agencies and the media, and the other involving a private citizen and a law enforcement official. Also the questionable trail etiquette involving abuse of hostel privileges (not paying) when free camping was readily available nearby...

Maybe as they continue to hike things will settle down somewhat, the mom will maintain control of the kids, they'll learn better trail etiquette, and they won't have such a negative impact going forward.

Kryptonite
08-11-2012, 05:16
Thanks for the link. I read the whole article, and it's actually pretty funny. I've heard the phrase "Hike Your Own Hike" ever since I started section-hiking over 20 years ago, and I thought knew in a roundabout way what the term meant, but Paul Magnanti's definition sums it up nicely:
"What does HYOH mean?

Loosely defined, it means enjoy your journey and let others enjoy theirs. As long as your journey does not impose upon anyone else, it does not matter how fast or slow you go, or what gear you take or even what route you decide upon. HYOH means to best enjoy the journey based upon your own personal safety, comfort and fun levels."


I guess you approve of his interpretation of HYOH since you posted the link. I agree with it, anyway. Based on his interpretation, there are quite a few on this thread who would conclude that this family's hike, to this point, has gone beyond at least a couple of these boundaries several times (not imposing on others & personal safety are the two that come to my mind). Two separate child rescues on two different days, one involving several local search & rescue agencies and the media, and the other involving a private citizen and a law enforcement official. Also the questionable trail etiquette involving abuse of hostel privileges (not paying) when free camping was readily available nearby...

Maybe as they continue to hike things will settle down somewhat, the mom will maintain control of the kids, they'll learn better trail etiquette, and they won't have such a negative impact going forward.

One of the BEST answers posted yet!!

Lone Wolf
08-11-2012, 05:56
If you want to continue to criticize a family that's just out there hiking, not breaking any laws, because you don't agree with their planning, gear or lifestyle, fine, but don't try to read into things. It's obvious the family isn't flat broke, they've been hiking, traveled to and from home, and have a credit card. If you realize how hikes, or life, works sometimes, you'd know there are times when you're low on cash. I put travelers checks in mail drops, others have to wait until their pay hits the bank.

you still don't get it and never will. once you come into a town all that "HYOH" BS ends. aren't you a big ALDHA guy that endorses all those signs at hostels and in towns stating do the right thing, pay your way, don't get drunk, etc.? they stayed 4 nights at the hostel that i know of. that's $168. the hostel got $50. and when you're "out just hiking" and family members are lost and separated and locals have to find and reunite the members it ain't "just out hiking" anymore. so sick of hikers and the lame excuses and cyber hikers like yourself that are no where near the situation but know all the answers

rickb
08-11-2012, 07:17
they stayed 4 nights at the hostel that i know of. that's $168. the hostel got $50.

All the other stuff aside, I would think church members might be OK with a $50 donation from a young family traveling on a tight budget for thier 4 nights, rather than feeling taken advantage of because the family did not donate the recommended full per-person rae for adults and kids.


If they do feel taken advantage of, might me time to ask for a set fee when folks arrive-- like the AMC does.


In any event, I don't think the amount of money anyone decides to donate or not should be shared on the internet as public information. Just a quibble in the grand scheme of things, of course.


Althought it would be interesting if you have a complete list you could share.

Lone Wolf
08-11-2012, 07:30
All the other stuff aside, I would think church members might be OK with a $50 donation from a young family traveling on a tight budget for thier 4 nights, rather than feeling taken advantage of because the family did not donate the recommended full per-person rae for adults and kids.


time to ask for a set fee when folks arrive-- like the AMC does.



In any event, I don't think the amount of money anyone decides to donate or not should be shared on the internet as public information.

they ask for $6 set fee per person, per night

the mom posted the amount on the internet

sorry but if you take a group on vacation and choose to use facilities then pay your way. it's very simple. otherwise stay in the woods. it's why you're out there

Lone Wolf
08-11-2012, 07:55
it's very rare for long distance bikers, scout groups, youth groups or other non-hiking groups to NOT
"do the right thing" at The Place. why can't all hikers just do the right thing?

atmilkman
08-11-2012, 08:42
it's very rare for long distance bikers, scout groups, youth groups or other non-hiking groups to NOT
"do the right thing" at The Place. why can't all hikers just do the right thing?
Good question. Might be because they can come here on WhiteBlaze and find people telling them that $50 for 4 nights stay for 6 seems fair.

HikerMom58
08-11-2012, 09:06
Good question. Might be because they can come here on WhiteBlaze and find people telling them that $50 for 4 nights stay for 6 seems fair.

Great point. Seriously though, I can't imagine anyone lining up their own behavior by what they read on Whiteblaze. I think they would want to be so cheap anyway... Poor excuse.

Sly
08-11-2012, 09:09
you still don't get it and never will. once you come into a town all that "HYOH" BS ends. aren't you a big ALDHA guy that endorses all those signs at hostels and in towns stating do the right thing, pay your way, don't get drunk, etc.? they stayed 4 nights at the hostel that i know of. that's $168. the hostel got $50. and when you're "out just hiking" and family members are lost and separated and locals have to find and reunite the members it ain't "just out hiking" anymore. so sick of hikers and the lame excuses and cyber hikers like yourself that are no where near the situation but know all the answers

Yeah, you've complained several times about them stiffing the Place and the kids getting lost, so what do you think they should call off their hike and go home?

You can always joined the AT services group (A Yahoo group set up by ALDHA) and let other trail providers know the family didn't pay the "required" amount and to be on the look out for them.

HikerMom58
08-11-2012, 09:25
Yeah, you've complained several times about them stiffing the Place and the kids getting lost, so what do you think they should call off their hike and go home?

This mother is not acting responsibly, by most people's standards-we can't legislate all behaviors. So that's how certain people can say- live and let live. It's just really hard to watch at times. Harder for some than others. "We" don't want to see it not end well.

Malto
08-11-2012, 09:41
Is this family really much different than the typical novice thru hikers?
1) the whole "donation" thing is a bit confusing. Is it a flat charge or a donation. If it's a required donation then doesn't that make The Place more of a hotel with a whole different set of rules. Again, did then act all that different from many other thru other than the fact that the smaller "donation" seemed much smaller due to the group size.
2) getting lost... You read all the time of hikers missing others they are hiking with. It happened twice on my thru hike when one of us was off trail and the other passed by without seeing them. No problem, stop camp and catch up the next day. Now it does become a bit more "problematic" due to the age. The other child that walked too far, no issue, the younger one, that sounds like it could have been handled a bit differently.
3) it is interesting to watch the reaction on this forum. Balls and Sunshine are treated as heroes yet this family is demonized. I hiked the PCT the same year that Balls and Sunshine and went through the Sierra about the same time. In terms of overall safety I suspect that Sunshine overall was in more danger than these kids. And by the way it think it's great what Balls and Sunshine did and are doing.
4) Money challenges. Is this really all that unusual on the AT? It's one of the leading causes of folks getting off the trail.
5) are future dreams of other trails a bit unrealistic, is the talk of the CDT next year silly? Sure, but I am dreaming/planning a calendar year triple crown so maybe I need to be committed also.

So while I would love to see this family get a bit more organized and under control I don't see this as the monumental tragedy that many are talking. I see it as fairly normal inexperienced thru hiking magnified by the number of folks in her group.

WingedMonkey
08-11-2012, 10:23
Is this family really much different than the typical novice thru hikers?

To be clear, they are not thru-hiking or did they ever intend to be.

rickb
08-11-2012, 10:49
1) the whole "donation" thing is a bit confusing.

Admission to a good many of the top museums in NY are by suggested donation, but it is perfectly acceptable for a struggling student or individual of limitted means to pay less than the suggested amount-- or nothing at all. Every dollar is important, but the mission of those institutions is not about profit but something larger and they seek to welcome all.

I suspect the same holds true at The Place. That's why they call it a donation-- not to avoid regulation and taxes or rules and such.

I hope so, anyway.

That said, guys working on Wall Street should pony up full fare when they go to musuems, and rich ass thru hikers shouldl always contribute at least the full amount at hostels. Not sure the family falls into the moneied catagory or not-- none of my business.

The Old Chief
08-11-2012, 10:59
The " Barefoot Sstrs " , while hiking South , were with " The Family From The North ". Assorted children .
Mother carrying one who was still nursing . Very low on provisions and money . Had some srange habits :
Burning full diapers so as not to have to carry the weight ; ( made camp - site smell bad ) . Just wonder
how THEY were treated on this web - site ? David
I don't believe Whiteblaze existed in 2001. At least when I was doing my research on hiking the AT this site never came up. Mostly I used Trailjournals for info. But I do remember The Family from the North. 2001 was my first attempt at a thru-hike and I had just reached Neels Gap and staying at the campground down the mtn. The hostel at Mtn Crossings was closed because of plumbing problems. About 30 hikers were taken to a restaurant to eat that first night there and before we even ordered we were given a speech by some guy we assumed was a real trail veteran (what did we know back then) who told us about the family and how they couldn't afford to eat and we needed to donate money so they could eat a decent meal at the restaurant that night with us. I would estimate anywhere from two to three hundred dollars was donated by hikers on the spot. Like royalty, about 15 minutes later, the family entered the restaurant and ate whatever they wanted from the menu and when they were finished they were taken away before any of us were given rides back to the campground or could talk to them. The Mother and Father could of at least got up and said thanks for your support but didn't. They also by this time had an adult male hiker tagging along with them and I suspect we paid for his meal as well. They were going South so I imagine they finished by the next day or two and we never saw them again. I know they didn't abuse the policies at the Place in Damascus because when they were there they stayed at the Lazy Fox Inn and abused Miss Ginnie's and the Barefoot Sisters good will.

Kryptonite
08-11-2012, 11:18
Old Chief: I was really interested in what you had to say. I haven't heard that much about The Family, but I think your story helped me to understand why many of us are having a problem with this. I think there are very few of us on this site who if they are able and they feel that someone is pulling their own weight but needs financial help - they are going to do everything they can to help them out. People who are hiking and doing without and just really underestimated what it would cost. But here is a woman who had numerous people in Damascus make contributions and she didn't just stay a couple of nights, but stayed 5 - which is longer than most by far - and even with the donations - she stiffed The Place. Plus her journal made it sound more like a con when she said they would have to survive on water.

This woman is surviving primarily on donations and she is STILL talking about other vacations she plans to take. Does no one have a problem with this?

Well, we all are different. If you want to donate to this woman - then donate.

TD55
08-11-2012, 13:25
Who would have thunk this years monster or hiker to bully (depending on your viewpoint) would be a mom with a herd of kids?

Lone Wolf
08-11-2012, 13:26
Who would have thunk this years monster or hiker to bully (depending on your viewpoint) would be a mom with a herd of kids?

you don't get it either. nobody is being bullied

TD55
08-11-2012, 13:54
you don't get it either. nobody is being bullied
I said it depends on your viewpoint. People saying she shafted The Place, including you. A "required donation" is a fee. And who's fault is it that ya' all don't know how to operate a "hostel"? You gripe all the time about getting stiffed by hikers. Ever consider collecting the "donation" up front with the warning that violations of rules would be cause for ejection from the premises without a refund?

Sly
08-11-2012, 14:08
This woman is surviving primarily on donations and she is STILL talking about other vacations she plans to take. Does no one have a problem with this?



Par for the course. I also see some set up a fund raising website so they can hike and write a book or make a movie at the same time, or others that set up charity hikes, obtaining sponsors and perhaps using part of the money to make life easier on the trail. These people have hundreds of donors are are perfectly capable of funding their own hikes, if they only worked a few years and saved money.

Jumping on a mother and her kids trying to enjoy their hike seems cruel in comparison...

Sly
08-11-2012, 14:14
To be clear, they are not thru-hiking or did they ever intend to be.

Agreed but they're not much different than many novice thru-hikers in regards to poor planning, lousy gear, and lack of funds.

Crazy Larry #1
08-11-2012, 15:15
you still don't get it and never will. once you come into a town all that "HYOH" BS ends. aren't you a big ALDHA guy that endorses all those signs at hostels and in towns stating do the right thing, pay your way, don't get drunk, etc.? they stayed 4 nights at the hostel that i know of. that's $168. the hostel got $50. and when you're "out just hiking" and family members are lost and separated and locals have to find and reunite the members it ain't "just out hiking" anymore. so sick of hikers and the lame excuses and cyber hikers like yourself that are no where near the situation but know all the answers
They were there six nights...

Lone Wolf
08-11-2012, 15:40
yo TOW. why not ask a moderator to shut this down. it's going nowhere

Lone Wolf
08-11-2012, 15:50
I said it depends on your viewpoint. People saying she shafted The Place, including you. A "required donation" is a fee. And who's fault is it that ya' all don't know how to operate a "hostel"? You gripe all the time about getting stiffed by hikers. Ever consider collecting the "donation" up front with the warning that violations of rules would be cause for ejection from the premises without a refund?

there is a big box with a big sign on it saying "$6 per night. Honor System" i don't "operate" the hostel. i help enforce the simple rules which so many hikers can't seem to follow. ALDHA has a poster in there titled "DO THE RIGHT THING" a list of 10 things to go by. 3,4,and 5 state: if you can afford beer, you can afford to leave a donation. if you can afford to eat in a restaurant, you can afford to leave a donation. if you can afford to hike the AT, you can afford to leave a donation. real simple folks. no more from me.

The Cleaner
08-11-2012, 15:59
yo TOW. why not ask a moderator to shut this down. it's going nowhere +1 on that....

JohnWayne
08-11-2012, 16:01
Let's just pay for everyone's vacation if kids are involved. It's like a relative I have. This little woman would come around and hit everyone up for diapers and baby food on Thursday nights. Friday and Saturday she would go to the casinos and then go drinking. We started buying our own diapers and baby food for the child until we found out that she was selling those items as well.

Ya just can't fix stupid. Believe what ya wanna believe.

Sweetspot
08-11-2012, 16:46
Does anyone know if they are still on the trail or at home? I have not stayed at The Place or any Hostel. I do think they are very important for the AT Quest we all have, so I am sending The Place some money to help them for the service they provide us. Not on the Family of the South but for all the future hikers that are ill prepared.
I still am concerned about the children. Has any one seen them since they left Damascus? I agree with the Balls and Sunshine being hero's, they are not. I will give them credit for being able to get thousands of dollars of equipment and food in sponsorship. To bad this family didn't figure out how to hike free also. I would like to send the Family from the south boxes of food. I hope that if I was in trouble on the trail Lone Wolf and RED-DOG have the passion to come find me. Thank You

Capt Nat
08-11-2012, 17:04
Please don't lock the thread, this has been 15 pages of pure entertainment!

Smokey & the Bandit
08-11-2012, 21:00
yo TOW. why not ask a moderator to shut this down. it's going nowhere

Nowhere? It's like NASCAR, it's going in circles!

HikerMom58
08-11-2012, 23:37
Nowhere? It's like NASCAR, it's going in circles!

Yup.... round & round and where it stops nobody knows....

Train Wreck
08-12-2012, 00:55
Yup.... round & round and where it stops nobody knows....

I think the normal number of laps in a NASCAR race is 400 or 500, so there are still a few left to go!

Sly
08-12-2012, 07:24
ALDHA has a poster in there titled "DO THE RIGHT THING" a list of 10 things to go by. 3,4,and 5 state: if you can afford beer, you can afford to leave a donation. if you can afford to eat in a restaurant, you can afford to leave a donation. if you can afford to hike the AT, you can afford to leave a donation.

All good guidelines. Unfortunately the misdeeds have been committed. However, it's apparent Cheer Bear was informed of her wrong doing, apologized, and pledged to make good. Hopefully, the next few times she sees the endangered services signs, she'll "do the right thing."

In the meantime, hopefully her and her children are safe, enjoying the trail and reaping its rewards to the fullest.

HikerMom58
08-12-2012, 10:29
"In the meantime, hopefully her and her children are safe, enjoying the trail and reaping its rewards to the fullest." You couldn't have said it any better than that., it's what we all want for Cheer Bear and the family. There's nothing more to say.

Kryptonite
08-12-2012, 11:32
TOW or Lone Wolf or anyone else who knows for sure: Does the $6 per night at The Place cover any meals?

Sly
08-12-2012, 11:44
Does the $6 per night at The Place cover any meals?

No meals are provided at the Place, and I believe any cooking is to be done outdoors. $6 covers a bunk and shower. You're also expected to help keep the facilities clean.

From the description in the Companion it says stays are limited to two nights. I wonder if that rule is enforced and if they were reminded?

Lone Wolf
08-12-2012, 13:33
From the description in the Companion it says stays are limited to two nights. I wonder if that rule is enforced and if they were reminded?

2 nights max unless you get permission from the caretaker for additional nites. it is enforced and they were reminded

Kryptonite
08-12-2012, 13:43
2 nights max unless you get permission from the caretaker for additional nites. it is enforced and they were reminded

So how did they get to stay 6 nights?

Lone Wolf
08-12-2012, 14:53
So how did they get to stay 6 nights?

they were waiting on a mail/money drop so the caretaker ok'd it

Kryptonite
08-12-2012, 18:44
That is wrong on just so many levels. The only thing good that has come from this discussion is that at least hostels have been alerted. Nothing could entice me to donate to a woman like this.

SouthMark
08-12-2012, 21:09
they were waiting on a mail/money drop so the caretaker ok'd it

…and then she paid for one day. I do not care what anyone says, this was a flim-flam from the get go unless she told the caretaker that she would only be paying for one day when the money did arrive and he ok'd that.

rickb
08-13-2012, 06:29
there is a big box with a big sign on it saying "$6 per night. Honor System" i don't "operate" the hostel. i help enforce the simple rules which so many hikers can't seem to follow. .

If that's all that is written on the box, why all the disscusstion about "donations"?

If one stops at an unattended roadside farm stand and there is a cash box by the corn that states "$6 per dozen -- Honor System" no one would assume that that amount is a recommended donation.

Unless there is somethign else written on the sign, of course.

Creek Dancer
08-13-2012, 09:43
If that's all that is written on the box, why all the disscusstion about "donations"?

If one stops at an unattended roadside farm stand and there is a cash box by the corn that states "$6 per dozen -- Honor System" no one would assume that that amount is a recommended donation.

Unless there is somethign else written on the sign, of course.

Wrong. That is precisely what I would assume.

JohnWayne
08-13-2012, 10:25
there is a big box with a big sign on it saying "$6 per night. Honor System" i don't "operate" the hostel. i help enforce the simple rules which so many hikers can't seem to follow. ALDHA has a poster in there titled "DO THE RIGHT THING" a list of 10 things to go by. 3,4,and 5 state: if you can afford beer, you can afford to leave a donation. if you can afford to eat in a restaurant, you can afford to leave a donation. if you can afford to hike the AT, you can afford to leave a donation. real simple folks. no more from me.

If the box says "$6 per night. Honor System" - that pretty much says it all. If someone cannot afford to stay at the hostel and reckons the hostel will "understand" they need to go to the person in charge and look them straight in the eye and tell them this before they spend 6 nights there. They need to square themselves before taking advantage of their hospitality. Anything else is flat down dishonest. So I reckon that we know what type of honor this mother has now.

Lone Wolf
08-13-2012, 10:32
If the box says "$6 per night. Honor System" - that pretty much says it all. If someone cannot afford to stay at the hostel and reckons the hostel will "understand" they need to go to the person in charge and look them straight in the eye and tell them this before they spend 6 nights there. They need to square themselves before taking advantage of their hospitality. Anything else is flat down dishonest. So I reckon that we know what type of honor this mother has now.

this past spring, april 15 - may 31, The Place had a volunteer/live-in caretaker. he made sure folks paid their way, cleaned up and followed rules. it ran real smooth. less than a week after he left it went back to the same old thing. no money in box, the house a mess, dirty towels everywhere, hikers blatantly breakin' rules, etc. thankfully he'll be back for the SOBO season. they're worse than NOBOs

HikerMom58
08-13-2012, 10:37
this past spring, april 15 - may 31, The Place had a volunteer/live-in caretaker. he made sure folks paid their way, cleaned up and followed rules. it ran real smooth. less than a week after he left it went back to the same old thing. no money in box, the house a mess, dirty towels everywhere, hikers blatantly breakin' rules, etc. thankfully he'll be back for the SOBO season. they're worse than NOBOs

When do you expect to see the SOBO's LW?

Lone Wolf
08-13-2012, 10:39
by the end of this month a few will start trickling in

Kryptonite
08-13-2012, 10:40
Do you think SOBOs are worse because they are nearing the end and are low on funds?

Lone Wolf
08-13-2012, 10:42
Do you think SOBOs are worse because they are nearing the end and are low on funds?

correct. what little they do have left goes directly to beer and pizza at quinceys. hikers ALWAYS have $$ for wants

The Old Chief
08-13-2012, 11:03
correct. what little they do have left goes directly to beer and pizza at quinceys. hikers ALWAYS have $$ for wants

Several years ago at the end of October I visited Ms. Janet while dropping off a SOBO who had finished the trail. There was a SOBO there who stated to us that he had run out of money so he decided to stay with her. Her kindness and inability to say no to freeloaders like this guy is the main reason her hostel no longer exists, while Uncle Johnny's is still going strong. I've seen NOBOs doing their own laundry for their "work for stay" at Ms. Janets.

the goat
08-13-2012, 11:21
If that's all that is written on the box, why all the disscusstion about "donations"?

If one stops at an unattended roadside farm stand and there is a cash box by the corn that states "$6 per dozen -- Honor System" no one would assume that that amount is a recommended donation.

Unless there is somethign else written on the sign, of course.

i think, legally speaking, it has to be classified as a "donation" or else they will be subject to a host of government regulations as if they were operating a hotel, and not a $6/ night hiker shelter.

Crazy Larry #1
08-13-2012, 12:19
Does anyone know if they are still on the trail or at home? I have not stayed at The Place or any Hostel. I do think they are very important for the AT Quest we all have, so I am sending The Place some money to help them for the service they provide us. Not on the Family of the South but for all the future hikers that are ill prepared.
I still am concerned about the children. Has any one seen them since they left Damascus? I agree with the Balls and Sunshine being hero's, they are not. I will give them credit for being able to get thousands of dollars of equipment and food in sponsorship. To bad this family didn't figure out how to hike free also. I would like to send the Family from the south boxes of food. I hope that if I was in trouble on the trail Lone Wolf and RED-DOG have the passion to come find me. Thank You
If you want to send a donation you send a check or money order here
The Place
c/o Tom Hayes
PO Box 4
Damascus, Va. 24236

We would greatly appreciate it!

Mrs Baggins
08-14-2012, 18:55
http://trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=389625

Well, wonderful. People are sending her free food, she has the money to buy more maps as well as microwavable foods (very pricey per person) and she writes like a 12 yr old with lots of!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so not impressed.

vamelungeon
08-14-2012, 18:57
If you want to send a donation you send a check or money order here
The Place
c/o Tom Hayes
PO Box 4
Damascus, Va. 24236

We would greatly appreciate it!
Thanks for the information!

HikerMom58
08-14-2012, 19:44
http://trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=389625

Well, wonderful. People are sending her free food, she has the money to buy more maps as well as microwavable foods (very pricey per person) and she writes like a 12 yr old with lots of!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so not impressed.

We shall see WHAT the story is really soon....

fiddlehead
08-14-2012, 20:21
http://trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=389625

Well, wonderful. People are sending her free food, she has the money to buy more maps as well as microwavable foods (very pricey per person) and she writes like a 12 yr old with lots of!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so not impressed.

Where's the love?

The Cleaner
08-14-2012, 20:22
Yeah,The Careless Bear has some new posts on TJ you need to read em for a good laugh.I'm only an HS grad,but I do try to use proper spelling.....

Kryptonite
08-14-2012, 20:42
Where's the love?

Her 7 year old is hiking 10-18 miles per day with 17 lbs on his back.

Mountain Maiden
08-14-2012, 20:43
http://trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=389625

Well, wonderful. People are sending her free food, she has the money to buy more maps as well as microwavable foods (very pricey per person) and she writes like a 12 yr old with lots of!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so not impressed.


LOL--- I didn't see anywhere that she has intimated that she was out to "impress" anyone.

However, she has certainly stirred up a few folks.

I can't condone all her apparent actions but then, I haven't walked in her shoes (boots.)

I just hope they are all safe and learn all they can from the experience.

elmotoots
08-14-2012, 20:51
I would bet a dollar she could not care any less than she already does, that people on this web site are not impressed with her.

How much is giving people on whiteblaze a good impression worth anyway?

Velvet Gooch
08-14-2012, 20:53
I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled ...

A Modest Proposal

For Preventing The Children of Poor People in Ireland
From Being Aburden to Their Parents or Country, and
For Making Them Beneficial to The Public

By Jonathan Swift (1729) (http://www.art-bin.com/art/omodest.html)

moytoy
08-14-2012, 21:00
We shall see WHAT the story is really soon....

How are we going to know what the "story" is?


I've been reading these 300+ post for a few days now and I can understand peoples concern for the welfare of these children. I frankly don't have an opinion because I'm not there and do not think I have enough information to form one. What I can't understand is why anyone wants to slam this woman for spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors. I can imagine she is writing her journal on a borrowed computer and has a time limit. Sometimes mistakes slip in. I'm sure my writing on these pages doesn't cut the muster for some. I just don't get it!

Sarcasm the elf
08-14-2012, 21:06
A Modest Proposal

For Preventing The Children of Poor People in Ireland
From Being Aburden to Their Parents or Country, and
For Making Them Beneficial to The Public

By Jonathan Swift (1729) (http://www.art-bin.com/art/omodest.html)


I read about half of that essay back in college. I really liked the beginning but was terribly disappointed when I realized it was meant to be satire.

Train Wreck
08-14-2012, 21:20
I read about half of that essay back in college. I really liked the beginning but was terribly disappointed when I realized it was meant to be satire.

Are you saying you were disappointed that he really wasn't advocating eating children? :D :D

Sarcasm the elf
08-14-2012, 21:32
Are you saying you were disappointed that he really wasn't advocating eating children? :D :D

Well it would have made sense financially. :rolleyes:

On a related note, I'm reading a different book by Bill Bryson called "At Home" where he describes Victorian England and the golden age of gluttony. Given the sorts of foods that the British upper class believed to be delicacies during that era, the poached baby probably wouldn't have been much of a stretch.

HikerMom58
08-14-2012, 22:40
How are we going to know what the "story" is?


I've been reading these 300+ post for a few days now and I can understand peoples concern for the welfare of these children. I frankly don't have an opinion because I'm not there and do not think I have enough information to form one. What I can't understand is why anyone wants to slam this woman for spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors. I can imagine she is writing her journal on a borrowed computer and has a time limit. Sometimes mistakes slip in. I'm sure my writing on these pages doesn't cut the muster for some. I just don't get it!

Well, when peeps come through the area, in which you live, and you are willing to help them out,(offering shuttles to places they can't walk too) you can finally hear their story, first hand. That's what trail angels do.... that would be me.

moytoy
08-14-2012, 22:48
Well, when peeps come through the area, in which you live, and you are willing to help them out,(offering shuttles to places they can't walk too) you can finally hear their story, first hand. That's what trail angels do.... that would be me.

OK, I can buy that. BTW I look forward to coming through Va. in a three years!

HikerMom58
08-14-2012, 23:00
OK, I can buy that. BTW I look forward to coming through Va. in a three years!

I'll look forward to meeting you, if you need anything, when you come through Central VA., in 3 years too! :)

wornoutboots
08-15-2012, 00:38
I just finished reading all of that in one setting, now that was entertaining!!! I'm now out of popcorn though :(

Train Wreck
08-15-2012, 00:41
I just finished reading all of that in one setting, now that was entertaining!!! I'm now out of popcorn though :(

you wouldn't be begging us for more popcorn, would you??? :D

Kryptonite
08-15-2012, 08:16
How are we going to know what the "story" is?


I've been reading these 300+ post for a few days now and I can understand peoples concern for the welfare of these children. I frankly don't have an opinion because I'm not there and do not think I have enough information to form one. What I can't understand is why anyone wants to slam this woman for spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors. I can imagine she is writing her journal on a borrowed computer and has a time limit. Sometimes mistakes slip in. I'm sure my writing on these pages doesn't cut the muster for some. I just don't get it!

I mean this with no disrespect, but have you read her complete journal? If you still don't "get it" after reading her journal thoroughly, then I'm not sure that you will ever get it.

moytoy
08-15-2012, 08:29
I mean this with no disrespect, but have you read her complete journal? If you still don't "get it" after reading her journal thoroughly, then I'm not sure that you will ever get it.
I don't get the relevance of critiquing her writing ability. Her problems have nothing to do with her education.

HikerMom58
08-15-2012, 08:33
If you don't mind me jumping back in here. I think everyone gets it. It's just how to handle the situation is now the problem. There's nothing any of us can do about this situation. It's a fine line between enabling her and just reaching out to her like you would anyone that could use some assistance. The children are innocent. Please share your thoughts....

fiddlehead
08-15-2012, 08:42
Please share your thoughts....

My thoughts are that they'll be fine until perhaps the cold weather sets in.
Then most likely they'll go home.
In the meantime, quit judging them and live your own life.

Kryptonite
08-15-2012, 08:49
I don't get the relevance of critiquing her writing ability. Her problems have nothing to do with her education.

I was actually referring to your statement where you said that you didn't have enough information to form an opinion. I don't see how anyone who reads her whole journal cannot help but form an opinion, but hey - that's me. I could care less about the grammatical errors or spelling, etc., except she might want to think about the homeschooling with her kids.

HikerMom - You asked for our thoughts. My personal thoughts are that I believe that you are honestly being very genuine and that you want to help. I also believe that it is the kids who are ultimately paying the price for this whole fiasco. I couldn't do what you are doing although I do believe in helping hikers who are helping themselves. I do applaud you for doing what you think is right. I hope that she doesn't take advantage of you too much.

The Cleaner
08-15-2012, 08:53
I just read all of her TJ posts and I don't see them making it from Hot Springs to Damascus in 10 days.Isn't that 200 miles?That's not too much for most thru hikers but this group is a little different.Small children cranking out 20 mile days? Seems like everyone enjoys the Roan Mtn. area and there are no comments from her about it or other spots in between...

HikerMom58
08-15-2012, 09:35
I was actually referring to your statement where you said that you didn't have enough information to form an opinion. I don't see how anyone who reads her whole journal cannot help but form an opinion, but hey - that's me. I could care less about the grammatical errors or spelling, etc., except she might want to think about the homeschooling with her kids.

HikerMom - You asked for our thoughts. My personal thoughts are that I believe that you are honestly being very genuine and that you want to help. I also believe that it is the kids who are ultimately paying the price for this whole fiasco. I couldn't do what you are doing although I do believe in helping hikers who are helping themselves. I do applaud you for doing what you think is right. I hope that she doesn't take advantage of you too much.

Thank you Kryptonite for your thoughts- I really appreicate hearing your opinion. This is what I plan to do...I'm going to observe and listen. I will ask lots of questions. I will take the family wherever they say they need to go. If I observe heartbreak, then, that will motivate me to do what I always do when I observe heartbreak. I don't enable... I'll just leave it at that.

HikerMom58
08-15-2012, 09:36
I just read all of her TJ posts and I don't see them making it from Hot Springs to Damascus in 10 days.Isn't that 200 miles?That's not too much for most thru hikers but this group is a little different.Small children cranking out 20 mile days? Seems like everyone enjoys the Roan Mtn. area and there are no comments from her about it or other spots in between...

That has already crossed my mind... interesting!

Sweetspot
08-15-2012, 10:28
As far as I can see the only persons that have actually helped this family is Lone Wolf and RED-DOG and myself. You all can't be to concerned about the children.

Lone Wolf
08-15-2012, 10:32
talked to a SOBO this morning staying at The Place. he ran into the family. said when he ran into them they were separated and spent that particular night apart. once again. he's concerned for the kid's safety also.

Kryptonite
08-15-2012, 11:29
As far as I can see the only persons that have actually helped this family is Lone Wolf and RED-DOG and myself. You all can't be to concerned about the children.

HikerMom is helping this family when they are in her area. I live too far and nothing could entice me to send this mother a donation.

Creek Dancer
08-15-2012, 13:20
As far as I can see the only persons that have actually helped this family is Lone Wolf and RED-DOG and myself. You all can't be to concerned about the children.

I must have missed the post. What have you done to ensure the safety of these children?

silverscuba22
08-15-2012, 13:40
As far as I can see the only persons that have actually helped this family is Lone Wolf and RED-DOG and myself. You all can't be to concerned about the children.

And what did you do ?? sent Thw Place, some money after they left ??? how is that "helping the children" i left more than $6 when i stayed there in may, did i "help the children" too ..... and as far as Red-Dog, no one has heard from him !! the only person that we can be 100 precent sure has done something for this family is Lone-Wolf.

HikerMom58
08-15-2012, 13:44
My thoughts are that they'll be fine until perhaps the cold weather sets in.
Then most likely they'll go home.
In the meantime, quit judging them and live your own life.

Excuse me, fiddlehead, if they are willing to take "help" from other people than they open themselves up to letting other people form opinions about them. They can either ask for help themselves or make certain choices that don't give other people a "real choice" about getting involved in their lives. Either way, they are OPEN... do you understand my point? It's easy for you to say those things, sitting at your computer, not investing anything, yourself.

The Cleaner
08-15-2012, 13:46
And what did you do ?? sent Thw Place, some money after they left ??? how is that "helping the children" i left more than $6 when i stayed there in may, did i "help the children" too ..... and as far as Red-Dog, no one has heard from him !! the only person that we can be 100 precent sure has done something for this family is Lone-Wolf. you need to re-read posts from yesterday.Red Dog is back but he didn't update his rescue trip all he did was start a cyber-fight insulting many folks...

JohnWayne
08-15-2012, 13:59
you need to re-read posts from yesterday.Red Dog is back but he didn't update his rescue trip all he did was start a cyber-fight insulting many folks...

Red Dog must have run into the family because all he could post about was how you didn't need to leave nothing if the hostel was run on donations. Sounds to me like he helped out Mama Care Bear by agreeing with her that she should stiff hostels! Sound like two of a kind to me and I aint got respect for anybody who would say that about a place that was trying to help others.

silverscuba22
08-15-2012, 14:13
you need to re-read posts from yesterday.Red Dog is back but he didn't update his rescue trip all he did was start a cyber-fight insulting many folks...

HAHA sorry, i personaly dont think Red-Dog went, watch this....."i went and stayed with that family the last few days" now i have went and stayed with them too.. man the interent is great when you dont have too have any proof at all, what would of been realllly nice is a pic or something, oh but he covered that in another post. And just read his posts and you can tell what type of dip**** he is.

atmilkman
08-15-2012, 14:28
HAHA sorry, i personaly dont think Red-Dog went, watch this....."i went and stayed with that family the last few days" now i have went and stayed with them too.. man the interent is great when you dont have too have any proof at all, what would of been realllly nice is a pic or something, oh but he covered that in another post. And just read his posts and you can tell what type of dip**** he is.
You are such a nice person for going and staying with them. I hope you had a good time. By the way did you get a chance to stiff any hostels, did you help make a great name for the hiking community. Did you make it easier for others to follow you. Thank you for all you did. Maybe you can do it again later on tonight.

silverscuba22
08-15-2012, 14:42
You are such a nice person for going and staying with them. I hope you had a good time. By the way did you get a chance to stiff any hostels, did you help make a great name for the hiking community. Did you make it easier for others to follow you. Thank you for all you did. Maybe you can do it again later on tonight.

LOL

And yes ,yes i did stiff as many hostels as i COULD !!!! screw those guys!!!! they are the 1% rich fat cats, looking down on us hard working hikers, always screwing us over!! lol

HikerMom58
08-15-2012, 14:44
Yeah, I think this thread should be shut down... this is my last post, on this thread. THanks to everyone that prayed for me, gave me advice and support. It is very much appreciated. There is nothing more to say.

silverscuba22
08-15-2012, 14:46
hikerMomKD, i was just kidding, really we are all worried about those kids..... if i said something to offend you i really am sorry. i was just poking fun at some people commets..... again im sorry that offended you

JohnWayne
08-15-2012, 14:51
Hikermama I just hope that you don't return after helping this woman and believe that hostels should be for free too. I think she done gone and hypnotized Red Dog...

atmilkman
08-15-2012, 14:53
Hikermama I just hope that you don't return after helping this woman and believe that hostels should be for free too. I think she done gone and hypnotized Red Dog...
Dog gone gone and done it.

Train Wreck
08-15-2012, 15:22
Yeah, I think this thread should be shut down... this is my last post, on this thread. THanks to everyone that prayed for me, gave me advice and support. It is very much appreciated. There is nothing more to say.

hikerMomKD, I think I understand and support what you are trying to accomplish. I personally hope the thread isn't shut down until there is solid evidence that the family either gets off the trail or it can be objectively concluded that the kids' safety isn't at risk. A lot of the jokes and snarky comments are just the way folks express their own discomfort or incredulity with the direction this hike appears to keep on going.

I am going to PM you soon.

generoll
08-15-2012, 15:29
Red Dog must have run into the family because all he could post about was how you didn't need to leave nothing if the hostel was run on donations. Sounds to me like he helped out Mama Care Bear by agreeing with her that she should stiff hostels! Sound like two of a kind to me and I aint got respect for anybody who would say that about a place that was trying to help others.

I couldn't find the posts from RED Dog, but I do think that anyone who sent donations to The Place to help cover the expenses for the family is in fact helping.

Creek Dancer
08-15-2012, 15:40
I like that idea, generoll. I will send them a donation, but it won't be on behalf of the family or to help them cover their expenses. I believe they still owe The Place.

atmilkman
08-15-2012, 15:47
A lot of the jokes and snarky comments are just the way folks express their own discomfort or incredulity with the direction this hike appears to keep on going.


Exactly. Nobody wants to see anything bad happen to these kids and their mom, just hoping and waiting that it ends well for everyone and every place that was or is involved.

Sweetspot
08-15-2012, 15:56
I'm not going to comment on what I have done for the children. You all don't really care or you also would be doing something. I agree with HikerMomKD. Its not that hard to help the hiking community.

bamboo bob
08-15-2012, 16:04
This is such a soap opera better suited to Oprah than Whiteblaze.

TD55
08-15-2012, 16:26
C'mon, this thread is the best AT drama of the summer. If it gets shut down it will be like "Suspect Hiker" an ya'all will never know the ending. I'll bet a lot are wondering like me, are Red-Dog and/or Sweetspot predators? :-?

The Cleaner
08-15-2012, 16:32
What seems strange IMO,is where is her husband while all this is going on?One would think that if he is indeed a cop he would have internet skill and be keeping up with how his wife&kids are.Something just seems kinda strange that he would let another man meet her on the trail to check on her.Then Red Dog won't give any details of her condition or how the kids are getting along.Although they can HYOH,having "lost" one or two here&there,this just seems to raise questions of her ability to care properly for them.The general opinion seems to be as long as they are still on the trail all is well...

Creek Dancer
08-15-2012, 16:34
She updated trailjournals.

kofritz
08-15-2012, 16:34
ditton on the drama....maybe she is going for a reality tv show...

JohnWayne
08-15-2012, 16:45
I'm not going to comment on what I have done for the children. You all don't really care or you also would be doing something. I agree with HikerMomKD. Its not that hard to help the hiking community.

Excuse me ma'am, but you have no idea how much each of us have contributed to The Place or to other hikers. I won't contribute to this woman the same way that I won't contribute to a crackhead. It just enables her to keep doing what she is doing.

BabySue
08-15-2012, 16:46
Red-dog's comment about being with The Family is under the general category, 8th post in a thread called East Tennessee, or something like that. He called The Cleaner & me morons. I got so excited I tried to change my screen name to Moron, but I couldn't figure out how.

RED-DOG
08-15-2012, 17:16
I did meet the family at a undisclosed location in VA i want tell you were cause i am scared what you predators would do, all i will say is they do have food and the children are doing great. they are lucky they got caring people like me and SweetSpot looking out for them. as for as the place is concerned i am going to pay the families bill but i will wait and send it as a christmas gift in about 3 months and then they can kiss my A$$. RED-DOG:mad:

Creek Dancer
08-15-2012, 17:29
The mother disclosed their exact location on trailjournals. I am not really surprised. Safety of her children is not exactly her top priority.

Pedaling Fool
08-15-2012, 17:29
...they are lucky they got caring people like me and SweetSpot looking out for them. Why would anyone need someone to look after them during a hike, that would indicate they shouldn't be doing the hike. Unless of course you two are doing a constant watch over their shoulders. In the navy when we had only two people for a long term watch we usually did 12 on and 12 off type deal, is that what you'll are doing :confused:


Rhetorical question, this is just stupid, watching over hikers on the trail :rolleyes:

The Cleaner
08-15-2012, 17:40
I did meet the family at a undisclosed location in VA i want tell you were cause i am scared what you predators would do, all i will say is they do have food and the children are doing great. they are lucky they got caring people like me and SweetSpot looking out for them. as for as the place is concerned i am going to pay the families bill but i will wait and send it as a christmas gift in about 3 months and then they can kiss my A$$. RED-DOG:mad: I do not think anyone on WB wants anything bad to happen to them.If anything does she can blame herself.I just checked her TJ site and she has posted several pics of the kids.Now any perv or predator knows what they look like and they would be easy to spot in any of the trail towns.IMO posting pics of underage kids is not a good idea while they are still on the trail.She could have waited till she got home and write a book or whatever.To keep her family updated she could have e-mailed pics privately.I think she may have some parenting issues and putting your children on the internet could put them at risk to cyber thugs or worse.....

Train Wreck
08-15-2012, 17:40
The mother disclosed their exact location on trailjournals. I am not really surprised. Safety of her children is not exactly her top priority.

She didn't mention the group got separated again and spent another night apart from the rest. Lone Wolf said today that a SOBO who stayed at the Place told him about it today.

kayak karl
08-15-2012, 17:43
The mother disclosed their exact location on trailjournals. I am not really surprised. Safety of her children is not exactly her top priority.
if she didn't somebody else would of. have you ever tried to find someone on the trail. just because you know the town doesn't mean you will find them. i guess a family moving alone would be easier. they will hit a hostel soon and the drama will start again.
my guess is this time they will have money and there will be 100 posts on where yous think it came from and how it should of been spent LOL

Train Wreck
08-15-2012, 17:50
if she didn't somebody else would of. have you ever tried to find someone on the trail. just because you know the town doesn't mean you will find them. i guess a family moving alone would be easier. they will hit a hostel soon and the drama will start again.
my guess is this time they will have money and there will be 100 posts on where yous think it came from and how it should of been spent LOL

The I'll be the first and vote for purchasing cold weather gear, since she mentions several times in the journals that they don't have anything of the sort. Fall in the Appalachians isn't the same as fall in Louisiana. We once had a pretty close call with hyperthermia in early September while hiking The Priest due to a stupid mix-up with clothing that should have been but wasn't packed.

Train Wreck
08-15-2012, 17:55
The I'll be the first and vote for purchasing cold weather gear, since she mentions several times in the journals that they don't have anything of the sort. Fall in the Appalachians isn't the same as fall in Louisiana. We once had a pretty close call with hyperthermia in early September while hiking The Priest due to a stupid mix-up with clothing that should have been but wasn't packed.

Sorry, should be "Then I'll be the first" and the correct term is hypothermia. Good thing I wasn't one of the ones who criticized people's spelling in trail journals :)

TD55
08-15-2012, 18:06
Texting and global communications halve made speling and punktuation obsolete.

JohnWayne
08-15-2012, 18:12
The I'll be the first and vote for purchasing cold weather gear, since she mentions several times in the journals that they don't have anything of the sort. Fall in the Appalachians isn't the same as fall in Louisiana. We once had a pretty close call with hyperthermia in early September while hiking The Priest due to a stupid mix-up with clothing that should have been but wasn't packed.

I reckon that this will be just another way to ask for money and supplies. You don't have cold weather gear? STAY HOME and save for it like everyone else does. No, she'll be writing about how all those kids really need is to have warm thoughts and they'll survive. Then the donations will start pouring in.

atmilkman
08-15-2012, 18:50
Texting and global communications halve made speling and punktuation obsolete.
In Bama we call it Hi-per-ther-me-er.

Mrs Baggins
08-15-2012, 19:35
I reckon that this will be just another way to ask for money and supplies. You don't have cold weather gear? STAY HOME and save for it like everyone else does. No, she'll be writing about how all those kids really need is to have warm thoughts and they'll survive. Then the donations will start pouring in.

Yep. Just like people are sending her food. NO. That is NOT the same as running across trail magic. Now she's going to start expecting food to pop of post offices and hostels. No winter gear? Go. Home. Don't send her gear. We got to Gooch Gap, I was wet and cold and feared for my life. We got out and went back to the Hiking Hostel and then spent a day at Wal-Mart and other stores buying our own clothes/gear to be better equipped. We did NOT go on-line and talk about not having what we needed in a "poor us" voice and get people to send us stuff. If we couldn't have bought what we needed we'd have gone home right then. SHE'S responsible for her kids, not you. But as long as others keep giving them and sending them free stuff, and paying their bills, she's going to suck it up like the leech that she is, and that she's teaching her kids to be. You think you're doing it out of "caring" and "love." No you're not. You're enabling a mentally inept mother to keep going on the money and goods of others. Now she knows for sure that if she doesn't pay up, you will. If she can't feed her kids, you will. Where the f*** is her husband? Why isn't HE sending her money and food and whatever else she and the kids need? Maybe there isn't really a husband. Ever consider that?

Supreme Being
08-15-2012, 19:45
Yep. Just like people are sending her food. NO. That is NOT the same as running across trail magic. Now she's going to start expecting food to pop of post offices and hostels. No winter gear? Go. Home. Don't send her gear. We got to Gooch Gap, I was wet and cold and feared for my life. We got out and went back to the Hiking Hostel and then spent a day at Wal-Mart and other stores buying our own clothes/gear to be better equipped. We did NOT go on-line and talk about not having what we needed in a "poor us" voice and get people to send us stuff. If we couldn't have bought what we needed we'd have gone home right then. SHE'S responsible for her kids, not you. But as long as others keep giving them and sending them free stuff, and paying their bills, she's going to suck it up like the leech that she is, and that she's teaching her kids to be. You think you're doing it out of "caring" and "love." No you're not. You're enabling a mentally inept mother to keep going on the money and goods of others. Now she knows for sure that if she doesn't pay up, you will. If she can't feed her kids, you will. Where the f*** is her husband? Why isn't HE sending her money and food and whatever else she and the kids need? Maybe there isn't really a husband. Ever consider that?

An article mentioned that her husband is a policeman, but apparently she also gets food stamps because there are 7 children total. I agree. I think she has a screw loose.

Mountaintop
08-15-2012, 20:26
JERRY!...JERRY!...JERRY!
Charity sees the need. Not the cause.

Supreme Being
08-15-2012, 20:48
JERRY!...JERRY!...JERRY!
Charity sees the need. Not the cause.

Big difference between the need for charity and paying for a damn vacation. And it won't stop here. Read her journal. She has plans to have volunteers drive them everywhere.

Mountaintop
08-15-2012, 21:41
Big difference between the need for charity and paying for a damn vacation. And it won't stop here. Read her journal. She has plans to have volunteers drive them everywhere.
Am I missing something? I don't see what the big fuss is about. It isn't how I roll, but I don't see how she has offended so many people. And if the authorities investigated and found that there wasn't anything nefarious and that the kids were healthy then, whats the problem?

TD55
08-15-2012, 22:36
Seems like once you give a negative opinion and say what you have to say, that should be enough. It's sort of become bashing for a few. Nothing nasty said here now is going to make any kind of positive difference for the kids. Everyone here knows the problems and seems in agreement that it's a troublesome situation, but it appears that folks are trying to help. Maybe it's time to accept the situation and try to add some positive input. Surely attempting to prevent people from helping if they want to is not helpful to the kids. Why should any of us care if people up the trail want to help out?

Papa D
08-15-2012, 22:47
This thread still going? Are we going to set a record here? No comment from me other than, "..........REALLY?" ADM???

Sarcasm the elf
08-15-2012, 22:59
This thread still going? Are we going to set a record here? No comment from me other than, "..........REALLY?" ADM???


Yay, 20 pages!!! I'd say something else, but I was called a gossiping housewife for criticizing this thread :p


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGQqnWVHi38&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Mountaintop
08-16-2012, 02:00
Seems like once you give a negative opinion and say what you have to say, that should be enough. It's sort of become bashing for a few. Nothing nasty said here now is going to make any kind of positive difference for the kids. Everyone here knows the problems and seems in agreement that it's a troublesome situation, but it appears that folks are trying to help. Maybe it's time to accept the situation and try to add some positive input. Surely attempting to prevent people from helping if they want to is not helpful to the kids. Why should any of us care if people up the trail want to help out?

My sentiments exactly!

moytoy
08-16-2012, 04:33
This thread still going? Are we going to set a record here? No comment from me other than, "..........REALLY?" ADM???

I see this thread as a microcosm of attitudes and beliefs in our 2012 society. No one here has totally got out of line concerning the rules of this forum so I see no problem with the administrators letting it continue. The story of this family does continue after all.

Lybarger
08-16-2012, 06:27
Did I miss Red-Dog's report back about The Family???

Sly
08-16-2012, 06:32
I do not think anyone on WB wants anything bad to happen to them.If anything does she can blame herself.I just checked her TJ site and she has posted several pics of the kids.Now any perv or predator knows what they look like and they would be easy to spot in any of the trail towns.IMO posting pics of underage kids is not a good idea while they are still on the trail.She could have waited till she got home and write a book or whatever.To keep her family updated she could have e-mailed pics privately.I think she may have some parenting issues and putting your children on the internet could put them at risk to cyber thugs or worse.....

Get a grip. Posting pictures and whereabouts on Trail Journals being dangerous is way overstated. More children are snatched from malls or near home than on the trail. For that matter has any child ever been accosted on the trail? Not in my memory, and not through Trail Journals.

Sly
08-16-2012, 06:36
I reckon that this will be just another way to ask for money and supplies. You don't have cold weather gear? STAY HOME

In case you need a calendar and to catch up on the news, it's August and there's a heat wave going on.

Sly
08-16-2012, 07:23
Am I missing something? I don't see what the big fuss is about. It isn't how I roll, but I don't see how she has offended so many people. And if the authorities investigated and found that there wasn't anything nefarious and that the kids were healthy then, whats the problem?

That's what I'd like to know. It seems many here are just making up stuff, projecting. I've read her entire journal and not once has she asked for anything, except to line up some rides. Ride boards for hikers are nothing new. This forum has one and for the most part it's well received. I haven't once seen anyone called a bum for posting in it.

Why this women and family have brought on such hate, yes hate (just read Mrs Baggins and follow up posts) is beyond me. Cheer Bear & family's hike should be inspiring, but it's bringing out the worst in some posters. They really need to question their own motives. WWJD?

Train Wreck
08-16-2012, 07:39
In case you need a calendar and to catch up on the news, it's August and there's a heat wave going on.

Read her journal again. She's not out just for the summer!

She starts out from the get-go complaining that the group doesn't have cold weather gear, doesn't have the money to buy it, reiterates it in several more posts, and then announces that she and the kids will be hiking parts of the trail including all the way to Maine, and not getting off the trail until the middle of November.


In the shoulder seasons, the weather can turn on you in a very short time. My husband became hypothermic while we were hiking the Priest section in early September one year. The weather started out nice, upper 60's, then a cold front moved across the mountain, drizzled all day and the temps dropped steadily. He had forgotten to bring some of his synthetic clothing and hiked just five miles or so, in mid-50 degree temps in a t-shirt and shorts. Exhaustion, the overall dampness and chill took its toll and when we got to the shelter he was shivering uncontrollably, moving slow, adndisoriented. The scariest part of this? I hiked with him all day. I was fine and didn't observe any problems until his symptoms had gone over into the danger zone. And yes, we were experienced hikers and paddlers who should have known better. Totally preventable mistake, but at least it ended ok after he spent a couple hours in his bag and had something hot to warm him up.

Mountain Maiden
08-16-2012, 07:55
That's what I'd like to know. It seems many here are just making up stuff, projecting. I've read her entire journal and not once has she asked for anything, except to line up some rides. Ride boards for hikers are nothing new. This forum has one and for the most part it's well received. I haven't once seen anyone called a bum for posting in it.

Why this women and family have brought on such hate, yes hate (just read Mrs Baggins and follow up posts) is beyond me. Cheer Bear & family's hike should be inspiring, but it's bringing out the worst in some posters. They really need to question their own motives. WWJD?

Sly, I tend to agree with you. It is what it is. I can understand the extreme discussion but not the 'hate.' I, along with others in Hot Springs, helped them out in several ways----not because she asked but because we could see the needs.

Discussion on WB is one thing but it is too bad folks found the need to viciously attack her on her own trail journal. Such anger! Nothing like heaping more troubles on a family that already has many struggles and issues.

Again, hopefully this will be a safe and educational experience for all of them.

Crazy Larry #1
08-16-2012, 08:26
If you don't mind me jumping back in here. I think everyone gets it. It's just how to handle the situation is now the problem. There's nothing any of us can do about this situation. It's a fine line between enabling her and just reaching out to her like you would anyone that could use some assistance. The children are innocent. Please share your thoughts....
Now that right there is a profound statement and very true. The children are innocent but she is not. I have been getting reports from hikers who have been running into her and her clan and most just shake their heads at her. On the other hand my hats are off to her because she has taken suburban survivalism to the woods and is using it to her gain...

Crazy Larry #1
08-16-2012, 08:33
As far as I can see the only persons that have actually helped this family is Lone Wolf and RED-DOG and myself. You all can't be to concerned about the children.
Not true, I and many others made sure she had enuf money to at least keep themselves fed after she gave us her sad sack story. It is none of my business where the money goes once I pass it along but it pains me when I get deceived for it. I love helping others but there are always parasitic folk that comes along to get a piece of the pie. And they have no conscious about it either...

Crazy Larry #1
08-16-2012, 08:42
I did meet the family at a undisclosed location in VA i want tell you were cause i am scared what you predators would do, all i will say is they do have food and the children are doing great. they are lucky they got caring people like me and SweetSpot looking out for them. as for as the place is concerned i am going to pay the families bill but i will wait and send it as a christmas gift in about 3 months and then they can kiss my A$$. RED-DOG:mad:mark the spot because you are all A$$......

Crazy Larry #1
08-16-2012, 08:50
In case you need a calendar and to catch up on the news, it's August and there's a heat wave going on.
better recheck your weather reports because it was 55 this morning when i got up and i hiked the night before and it was a balmy 59 when i got up yesterday...upper 60's and mid 70's during the day....

Supreme Being
08-16-2012, 09:47
If a single hiker posted from the very start that they didn't have enough funds to hike the AT, very few would fund their vacation. They would probably be laughed off the trail. The difference is THE CHILDREN and that is why some of you do not think what this woman is doing is wrong. I know several who don't have much money and they helped this woman only to discover the $600 at the outfitters. What she is doing is just plain using people.

HikerMom58
08-16-2012, 11:12
Not true, I and many others made sure she had enuf money to at least keep themselves fed after she gave us her sad sack story. It is none of my business where the money goes once I pass it along but it pains me when I get deceived for it. I love helping others but there are always parasitic folk that comes along to get a piece of the pie. And they have no conscious about it either...

I know I said I wouldn't post on here anymore but for all of you out there that think, if I meet up with them, this will happen to me as well. I can assure you, it won't. Knowledge is a good thing. Thanks for sharing TOW. You did the right thing THEN and your doing the right thing now.

I have a really good buddy that lives in Damasscus. I just asked him about this situation, he's saying the same thing everyone else is saying on here, that actually met her. He met her in the laundry mat. After talking with him, we all should wonder WHY they are on the trail.

This should NOT be any of our business. BUT, because of her behavior, she is getting lots of well deserved attention where ever she goes. Instead of hiking the trail, with the unexpected random acts of kindness being a part of the trail experience, she has learned that she can ride this train all way to Maine, IF she can stay "in business" long enough. That is just wrong on so many levels....... but she isn't the first to do this and I'm sure won't be the last. Welcome to our world. Hummmm... what to do, what to do.....

Crazy Larry #1
08-16-2012, 11:18
I know I said I wouldn't post on here anymore but for all of you out there that think, if I meet up with them, this will happen to me as well. I can assure you, it won't. Knowledge is a good thing. Thanks for sharing TOW. You did the right thing THEN and your doing the right thing now.

I have a really good buddy that lives in Damasscus. I just asked him about this situation, he's saying the same thing everyone else is saying on here, that actually met her. He met her in the laundry mat. After talking with him, we all should wonder WHY they are on the trail.

This should NOT be any of our business. BUT, because of her behavior, she is getting lots of well deserved attention where ever she goes. Instead of hiking the trail, with the unexpected random acts of kindness being a part of the trail experience, she has learned that she can ride this train all way to Maine, IF she can stay "in business" long enough. That is just wrong on so many levels....... but she isn't the first to do this and I'm sure won't be the last. Welcome to our world. Hummmm... what to do, what to do.....
Thank you...

Gray Blazer
08-16-2012, 11:33
TOW is very kindhearted. People who take advantage of his genorosity and good nature should be ashamed of themselves. One of the coolest thing about him is that his house is smack dab right on the AT.

HikerMom58
08-16-2012, 12:56
Thank you...


Just heard this saying and it sounds perfect for this situation... YOU ROCK and they can roll.

Feral Bill
08-16-2012, 13:20
People: If you want to whine about con artists there are way bigger fish to fry than this woman. Likewise with child neglect. As to her writing, it's a personal journal, not a masters thesis, or even a job application. And I've seen lots worse posted on this very site without the poster being attacked. Get a grip.

Don H
08-16-2012, 13:43
Instead of hiking the trail, with the unexpected random acts of kindness being a part of the trail experience, she has learned that she can ride this train all way to Maine, IF she can stay "in business" long enough. That is just wrong on so many levels....... but she isn't the first to do this and I'm sure won't be the last. Welcome to our world. Hummmm... what to do, what to do.....

Yea, that train is gonna run out of track soon. During the peak season there's not a lot of trail magic in the north and now that it's past peak season I would not expect random magic at all. Now if she's got people who support with her she might get enough help to make it.

I met some people last year who were soliciting donations through a website (you could donate by PayPal), I don't see the difference here, people are willing to give if they choose.

On the other hand a group of 5 skipping out on a hostel after a few days stay is just wrong in my opinion, either stay and pay or don't stay. This is the kind of stuff that causes hostels to fold. This behavior is by no means limited to this family, it happens everywhere on the trail. Bob Peoples told me he's had his cash box emptied at Kincora!

At this point she's gonna have to flip since they have only 8 weeks to get to Katahdin and they seem to be doing about 10 miles a day. They'll be lucky to finish by December.

Anyway just my opinion.

Sly
08-20-2012, 14:51
Yea, that train is gonna run out of track soon. During the peak season there's not a lot of trail magic in the north and now that it's past peak season I would not expect random magic at all. Now if she's got people who support with her she might get enough help to make it.

I met some people last year who were soliciting donations through a website (you could donate by PayPal), I don't see the difference here, people are willing to give if they choose.

On the other hand a group of 5 skipping out on a hostel after a few days stay is just wrong in my opinion, either stay and pay or don't stay. This is the kind of stuff that causes hostels to fold. This behavior is by no means limited to this family, it happens everywhere on the trail. Bob Peoples told me he's had his cash box emptied at Kincora!

At this point she's gonna have to flip since they have only 8 weeks to get to Katahdin and they seem to be doing about 10 miles a day. They'll be lucky to finish by December.

Anyway just my opinion.

You don't seriously think they're going to hike the entire trail do you? And if they do, more power to them.

Regarding cold weather gear. I read in the journal how they were cold on occasion early on. I'm sure they've bundled up some since then, but let's remember it's still summer, and they're not about to freeze to death. Can they get hypothermia? Sure, anyone can at any time.

You can pick apart ANYONE's hike and point out things they may be doing wrong. But you know what, they're out there learning to make do (regardless of so-called trail magic), exploring nature's wonders, and experiencing REAL trail magic, and you're all here criticizing.

But like "Chainsaw" GA-ME 2011 says who cares, as long as there's free ice cream... :rolleyes:

Pedaling Fool
08-20-2012, 14:54
Damn Sly, just when I thought this thread was dead ;)

HikerMom58
08-20-2012, 15:24
HA!! :p No word...

Don H
08-21-2012, 15:23
You don't seriously think they're going to hike the entire trail do you? And if they do, more power to them.

Regarding cold weather gear. I read in the journal how they were cold on occasion early on. I'm sure they've bundled up some since then, but let's remember it's still summer, and they're not about to freeze to death. Can they get hypothermia? Sure, anyone can at any time.

You can pick apart ANYONE's hike and point out things they may be doing wrong. But you know what, they're out there learning to make do (regardless of so-called trail magic), exploring nature's wonders, and experiencing REAL trail magic, and you're all here criticizing.

But like "Chainsaw" GA-ME 2011 says who cares, as long as there's free ice cream... :rolleyes:

I don't know what their intent is but it is possible although not in a way I would want to do it.

My signature line "who cares, as long as there's free ice cream..." refers to some activities going on in Dalton, MA while I was there last year.

MedicineWoman2012
09-03-2012, 17:15
Quite Humbling to see Red Dog at this point

Supreme Being
09-03-2012, 17:35
Any word on whether they are still hiking?

Crazy Larry #1
09-03-2012, 19:29
I have talked to a couple of sobo's and they have not ran into them. Weren't they suppose to get off at Pearisburg anyway and drive a rented car to Maine and hike south?

HikerMom58
09-03-2012, 19:40
They were supposed to stop in Daleville. I never heard from them.....

Supreme Being
09-03-2012, 20:09
I have talked to a couple of sobo's and they have not ran into them. Weren't they suppose to get off at Pearisburg anyway and drive a rented car to Maine and hike south?

Guess the donations for the rental didn't come through...

Lone Wolf
09-03-2012, 20:17
i sincerely hope they've gone home. wherever that may be

HikerMom58
09-03-2012, 20:31
i sincerely hope they've gone home. wherever that may be

I agree...

Crazy Larry #1
09-04-2012, 08:21
i sincerely hope they've gone home. wherever that may be
Me too, but I am a bit apprehensive about their well being. The thought has hit me with all the publicity they got from this thread, and it not being positive, that some predator may have stepped into the picture and did them harm.

HikerMom58
09-04-2012, 08:31
Ohh... I didn't think of that possiblilty. I don't think that could have happened TOW. I think someone that had contact with them would have reported them missing or something. She had a friend that was in constant contact with her, I believe.

mfleming
09-11-2012, 19:09
Anybody heard anything new regarding their journey?

HikerMom58
09-11-2012, 19:16
Anybody heard anything new regarding their journey?


I have not......

fiddlehead
09-11-2012, 19:25
Now that I'm back in PA, and around the trail and getting out there a bit to stay in shape, I wanted to say that I thought a lot about these people while up in NH this past weekend and down at Ecville today and hope they are still out there as there is a lot of beautiful weather right now.
I'd love to go out and meet them if they are in or around PA.
So, will check back here from time to time. (sorry, can't be a regular on WB right now as the weather is perfect for hiking and tennis and, well just about everything)
Thailand is often too hot.

Sweetspot
09-11-2012, 23:08
For those of you who really care about this family. Their house in La was flooded with the Hurricane. They are home dealing now with no home to live in. So now this tread can actually go to rest.

mfleming
09-12-2012, 01:00
Sweet spot,

Thanks for the info. Prayers their way :(

Thirsty DPD
09-12-2012, 08:59
Man, I hope I stay under the radar on my thru (attempt). I don't want to become the subject of a thread on WB. People that have never met me talkin' bout me as though they do. Maybe I'll bag my kilt, and just bring a picture of my dog to cut the risk. On second thought, I'll wear my family tartan and bring Angus. Maybe I'll be enough of a distraction, that some poor family will get left alone to hike their hike.

Marta
09-12-2012, 09:22
Man, I hope I stay under the radar on my thru (attempt). I don't want to become the subject of a thread on WB. People that have never met me talkin' bout me as though they do. Maybe I'll bag my kilt, and just bring a picture of my dog to cut the risk. On second thought, I'll wear my family tartan and bring Angus. Maybe I'll be enough of a distraction, that some poor family will get left alone to hike their hike.

If you want to fly under the radar, don't lose kids along the trail so that authorities have to hunt for either party, and don't require charity from hostels and trail angels just in order to keep from starving or freezing.

atmilkman
09-12-2012, 09:30
If you want to fly under the radar, don't lose kids along the trail so that authorities have to hunt for either party, and don't require charity from hostels and trail angels just in order to keep from starving or freezing.
Children..............Do you know where your parents are?

Lone Wolf
09-12-2012, 09:32
Children..............Do you know where your parents are?

that's what i asked the kid the night he was separated from mom. he had an idea where she might be

Thirsty DPD
09-12-2012, 10:38
Children..............Do you know where your parents are?

Agreed, a latch key society.

Thirsty DPD
09-12-2012, 10:40
that's what i asked the kid the night he was separated from mom. he had an idea where she might be

But did she know where he was?

Thirsty DPD
09-12-2012, 10:44
If you want to fly under the radar, don't lose kids along the trail so that authorities have to hunt for either party, and don't require charity from hostels and trail angels just in order to keep from starving or freezing.

Starving, freezing; I wasn't on site so I can't judge. I'm also not going to assume starving or freezing, vs. hungry or cold.

Lone Wolf
09-12-2012, 10:47
But did she know where he was?

no she did not

Keegan
09-12-2012, 13:36
regarding the "predators" posts... the Mother posted pics of the kids & locations info all over facebook during their trip , then posted they were leaving Pearisburg VA on 8/15, first day of school pics on the 20th, etc...

HikerMom58
09-12-2012, 20:57
For those of you who really care about this family. Their house in La was flooded with the Hurricane. They are home dealing now with no home to live in. So now this tread can actually go to rest.

Sweetspot.. thank you so much for the latest info on the family. I'm so sorry to hear about the flooding of their home.

Sweetspot
09-12-2012, 22:52
Thank you for the ones that were concerned about this family. When I first stepped foot on the AT I was not an experienced hiker. The trail teaches us a lot. It gives us what we need. I love White Blazes for its information from experienced hikers. I have learned a lot in 2 years from this forum of long distance hiking and I thank you all. I am a COURT APPOINTED SPECIAL ADVOCATE FOR CHILDREN. (CASA) It is a great program. I did have concerns with this family so I reached out to them. My first trip on the AT I was not prepared but I found a lot of people that were not .The second year I knew a little more but still learned a lot. Mostly from the hikers I hiked with. I did see children some were even be exploited for personal gain. What makes the Family from the South so different and this on going never ending entertaining whatever it is. Is the way the mother acted while they were in Damascus. But a lot of hiker I meet abused the system more then she did. One ended up in jail twice. I in now way condoning what she has done. But she has a bigger obstacle in her life now. With the flooding of her home. Etc. On a closing I wish more families would attempt to take their children on a hike if nothing else to get them away from TV and computers. And maybe some bonding time.

In my heart I think she was trying to do the best she she could. I remember My childhood vacations with my 4 brothers and 1 sister we did 13 state in 2 weeks and hit all the vacation traps. I want to Thank all the ones that did help her and her family and the ones that never met her you can not talk. I love White Blazes and all the knowledge that is here for long distance hikers. I would hike with any one of you any time. I keep in contact with her and her family. You will not be hearing from her again on the AT. For those that helped her and all the other hikers you will be rewarded sometime. I thank you again. Please keep your heart open to people and children and the its the children we were all concerned about. It all worked out despite us who worried. I hope if I am ever in trouble on the trai I will have the kindness of the White Blazes members. She is off the the trail let it rest.

Alligator
09-13-2012, 10:09
Great post above to close out the thread.