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Pedaling Fool
10-08-2012, 12:29
Next time you see a copperhead think of this http://www.foxnews.com/science/2012/09/15/virgin-births-may-be-common-in-wild/?intcmp=obnetwork


Virgin births may be common in the wild

By Charles Choi
Published September 15, 2012
LiveScienc


Wild female pit vipers can reproduce without a male, suggesting virgin births may take place in nature far more than before thought.

Asexual reproduction (http://www.livescience.com/animals/etc/100130-how-life-without-sex-works.html)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png is common among invertebrates — that is, animals without backbones. It occurs rarely in vertebrates, but examples of it are increasingly being discovered. For instance, the Komodo dragon (http://www.livescience.com/9460-female-komodo-dragon-virgin-births.html)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png, the world's largest living lizard, has given birth via parthenogenesis, in which an unfertilized egg develops to maturity. Such virgin births (http://www.livescience.com/1259-eggs-crack-open-komodo-dragon-virgin-births.html)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png have also been seen in sharks (http://www.livescience.com/7585-shark-pregnant-males-required.html)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png at least twice; in birds such as chickens and turkeys; and in snakes such as pit vipers (http://www.livescience.com/16573-pit-viper-snakes-virgin-births-reproduction.html)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png and boa constrictors (http://www.livescience.com/10225-daddy-boa-constrictor-virgin-birth.html)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png.

Although virgin birth has been observed in vertebrates in captivity, scientists had not yet seen it happen in the wild. This raised the possibility that such asexual reproduction might just be a rare curiosity outside the mainstream of vertebrate evolution.

"Until this discovery, facultative parthenogenesis — asexual reproduction by a normally sexual species — has been considered a captive syndrome," said researcher Warren Booth, a molecular ecologist at the University of Tulsa in Oklahoma. [7 Shocking Snake Stories (http://www.livescience.com/15329-7-shocking-snake-stories.html)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png]


Now, genetic analysis reveals examples of virgin birth in two closely related species of pit viper snakes — the copperhead (Agkistrodon contortrix) and cottonmouth (Agkistrodon piscivorus).

Mama's offspring

The researchers collected genetic samples from long-term studies of the snakes — copperheads from Connecticut and cottonmouths from Georgia. They gathered specimens from 22 litters of copperheads and 37 litters of cottonmouths, both the mothers and their offspring. DNA analysis confirmed that in one litter from each species, the offspring were solely the product of the mother, with no genetic contributions from a father.

The researchers were able to analyze the large amount of data due to collaborations with Charles Smith and Pam Eskridge of the Copperhead Institute and Wofford College, S.C., and
Shannon Hoss, a graduate student at San Diego State University.

"We just sat there stunned at the discovery," Booth told LiveScience. "This is something that we always believed existed, but in order to investigate it, it would take a massive amount of work in the field. … To detect it in both species in our first attempt was astounding."

"I think the frequency is what really shocked us," Booth added. "In the copperhead population, we detected one instance in 22 litters, whereas in the cottonmouths, it was one in 37 litters. Essentially, somewhere between 2.5 and 5 percent of litters produced in these populations may be resulting from parthenogenesis. That's quite remarkable for something that has been considered an evolutionary novelty, even by me up until this finding."

Pit vipers and many other creatures carry out meiosis, in which cells divide to form sex cells (http://www.livescience.com/10430-worm-porn-sheds-light-evolution-sperm.html)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png, each of which only possess half the material needed to make offspring. In the female pit vipers, pairs of their sex cells likely fused to generate embryos. The results were progeny that included only the mother's genetic material. However, these offspring weren't clones of the mother since they were not made using identical halves of her genome.

What limits virgin births?

How prevalent, then, is virgin birth? And could it possibly extend to humans?

"In terms of other species, it is evident now that reptiles are a group that appear predisposed to parthenogenesis, whether facultative, as we address here, or obligate, where the primary reproductive mode is parthenogenesis and few or no males are known within the species," Booth said.

Obligate parthenogenesis may have arisen from ancestral interbreeding between species, though scientists aren't sure why some animals seem to randomly give birth without help from the male (the facultative type).

"What is common to those that reproduce facultatively is the lack of genomic imprinting (http://www.livescience.com/9043-sleep-blame-genes.html)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png — by that, I mean a process in which a specific set of genes are provided by the mother, and a second set from the father," Booth said. "These genes of different parental origin must interact in a process called genomic imprinting in order for the development of an embryo. This, as far as we are aware, occurs in all mammals with the exception of the monotremes — platypus and echidnas (http://www.livescience.com/5746-odd-egg-laying-mammals-exist.html)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png — and therefore explains why we cannot have facultative parthenogenesis in mammalian species without significant intervention by scientists." [The 10 Wackiest Animal Discoveries (http://www.livescience.com/17649-wacky-animal-stories-2011.html)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png]

Originally, Booth and his colleagues thought such virgin births might happen if potential mates were not present, but over the years, they have seen six captive female boa constrictors give birth via parthenogenesis even when males were around during their breeding cycles. The number of times virgin births have occurred with different females also seem to rule out a freak accident causing it to occur, Booth and colleagues said. They are now investigating other possible causes for these virgin births — "these include genetics, viruses, tumors and bacteria," Booth said.

In the future, the researchers also hope to investigate other species for virgin births, such as water snakes in Oklahoma. In addition, they plan to see how well the offspring of virgin births survive and reproduce. It may be that virgin mothers can establish whole area populations of snakes by themselves. "We will know if this is possible in the next two to three years," Booth said.

The scientists detail their findings online Sept. 12 in the journal Biology Letters.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2012/09/15/virgin-births-may-be-common-in-wild/?intcmp=obnetwork#ixzz28j4VMraL

rickb
10-08-2012, 17:27
Next time you see a copperhead think of this http://www.foxnews.com/science/2012/09/15/virgin-births-may-be-common-in-wild/?intcmp=obnetwork


Virgin births may be common in the wild

By Charles Choi
Published September 15, 2012
LiveScienc


Wild female pit vipers can reproduce without a male, suggesting virgin births may take place in nature far more than before thought.

Asexual reproduction (http://www.livescience.com/animals/etc/100130-how-life-without-sex-works.html)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png is common among invertebrates — that is, animals without backbones. It occurs rarely in vertebrates, but examples of it are increasingly being discovered. For instance, the Komodo dragon (http://www.livescience.com/9460-female-komodo-dragon-virgin-births.html)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png, the world's largest living lizard, has given birth via parthenogenesis, in which an unfertilized egg develops to maturity. Such virgin births (http://www.livescience.com/1259-eggs-crack-open-komodo-dragon-virgin-births.html)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png have also been seen in sharks (http://www.livescience.com/7585-shark-pregnant-males-required.html)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png at least twice; in birds such as chickens and turkeys; and in snakes such as pit vipers (http://www.livescience.com/16573-pit-viper-snakes-virgin-births-reproduction.html)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png and boa constrictors (http://www.livescience.com/10225-daddy-boa-constrictor-virgin-birth.html)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png.

Although virgin birth has been observed in vertebrates in captivity, scientists had not yet seen it happen in the wild. This raised the possibility that such asexual reproduction might just be a rare curiosity outside the mainstream of vertebrate evolution.

"Until this discovery, facultative parthenogenesis — asexual reproduction by a normally sexual species — has been considered a captive syndrome," said researcher Warren Booth, a molecular ecologist at the University of Tulsa in Oklahoma. [7 Shocking Snake Stories (http://www.livescience.com/15329-7-shocking-snake-stories.html)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png]


Now, genetic analysis reveals examples of virgin birth in two closely related species of pit viper snakes — the copperhead (Agkistrodon contortrix) and cottonmouth (Agkistrodon piscivorus).

Mama's offspring

The researchers collected genetic samples from long-term studies of the snakes — copperheads from Connecticut and cottonmouths from Georgia. They gathered specimens from 22 litters of copperheads and 37 litters of cottonmouths, both the mothers and their offspring. DNA analysis confirmed that in one litter from each species, the offspring were solely the product of the mother, with no genetic contributions from a father.

The researchers were able to analyze the large amount of data due to collaborations with Charles Smith and Pam Eskridge of the Copperhead Institute and Wofford College, S.C., and
Shannon Hoss, a graduate student at San Diego State University.

"We just sat there stunned at the discovery," Booth told LiveScience. "This is something that we always believed existed, but in order to investigate it, it would take a massive amount of work in the field. … To detect it in both species in our first attempt was astounding."

"I think the frequency is what really shocked us," Booth added. "In the copperhead population, we detected one instance in 22 litters, whereas in the cottonmouths, it was one in 37 litters. Essentially, somewhere between 2.5 and 5 percent of litters produced in these populations may be resulting from parthenogenesis. That's quite remarkable for something that has been considered an evolutionary novelty, even by me up until this finding."

Pit vipers and many other creatures carry out meiosis, in which cells divide to form sex cells (http://www.livescience.com/10430-worm-porn-sheds-light-evolution-sperm.html)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png, each of which only possess half the material needed to make offspring. In the female pit vipers, pairs of their sex cells likely fused to generate embryos. The results were progeny that included only the mother's genetic material. However, these offspring weren't clones of the mother since they were not made using identical halves of her genome.

What limits virgin births?

How prevalent, then, is virgin birth? And could it possibly extend to humans?

"In terms of other species, it is evident now that reptiles are a group that appear predisposed to parthenogenesis, whether facultative, as we address here, or obligate, where the primary reproductive mode is parthenogenesis and few or no males are known within the species," Booth said.

Obligate parthenogenesis may have arisen from ancestral interbreeding between species, though scientists aren't sure why some animals seem to randomly give birth without help from the male (the facultative type).

"What is common to those that reproduce facultatively is the lack of genomic imprinting (http://www.livescience.com/9043-sleep-blame-genes.html)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png — by that, I mean a process in which a specific set of genes are provided by the mother, and a second set from the father," Booth said. "These genes of different parental origin must interact in a process called genomic imprinting in order for the development of an embryo. This, as far as we are aware, occurs in all mammals with the exception of the monotremes — platypus and echidnas (http://www.livescience.com/5746-odd-egg-laying-mammals-exist.html)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png — and therefore explains why we cannot have facultative parthenogenesis in mammalian species without significant intervention by scientists." [The 10 Wackiest Animal Discoveries (http://www.livescience.com/17649-wacky-animal-stories-2011.html)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png]

Originally, Booth and his colleagues thought such virgin births might happen if potential mates were not present, but over the years, they have seen six captive female boa constrictors give birth via parthenogenesis even when males were around during their breeding cycles. The number of times virgin births have occurred with different females also seem to rule out a freak accident causing it to occur, Booth and colleagues said. They are now investigating other possible causes for these virgin births — "these include genetics, viruses, tumors and bacteria," Booth said.

In the future, the researchers also hope to investigate other species for virgin births, such as water snakes in Oklahoma. In addition, they plan to see how well the offspring of virgin births survive and reproduce. It may be that virgin mothers can establish whole area populations of snakes by themselves. "We will know if this is possible in the next two to three years," Booth said.

The scientists detail their findings online Sept. 12 in the journal Biology Letters.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2012/09/15/virgin-births-may-be-common-in-wild/?intcmp=obnetwork#ixzz28j4VMraL


I would have read all that but I am ergophobic.

canoe
10-08-2012, 20:36
So what is your point?

Pedaling Fool
10-09-2012, 07:18
I would have read all that but I am ergophobic.
This is just Great! Haven't even had my first cup of coffee and I already have a word of the day to look up :)

Capt Nat
10-09-2012, 08:44
This is great news! I didn't want to be bothered with all that breeding stuff anymore. Now I can get some rest...

Pedaling Fool
12-22-2012, 17:16
Wow, I though this was interesting, not on the AT, but it's very possible this has happened elsewhere, including along the AT. But probably these are things waiting to be discovered as DNA technology advances. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2012/12/11/deadliest-sea-snake-splits-in-two/#ixzz2Fokdkl7P

(Pics of the snakes on the link)
Deadliest sea snake splits in two




The deadliest sea snakes in the world can be found from the Arabian Peninsula to Australia. They like to live in estuaries and lagoons near the shore and have been known to get tangled in fishermen's nets and inflict fatal bites. Their venom is extremely toxic, more potent than that of a cobra.

But the deadliest sea snake has a secret — it is actually two sea snake species, as pointed out by Ed Yong in his blog Not Exactly Rocket Science (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2012/11/20/the-deadliest-sea-snake-is-actually-two-look-alike-species#.UMY8kaxQbtF)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png.

Scientists once thought that snakes in Australia and Asia were the same species, Enhydrina schistosa. The snakes from these regions do look similar, with beaklike mouths that have a notch between the lower jaws.

However, when University of Queensland researcher Bryan Fry and colleagues tested the serpentine DNA, the results showed that they were separate species, and not even close relatives, as noted by the publication Asian Scientist (http://www.asianscientist.com/in-the-lab/australian-and-asian-beaked-sea-snakes-2012/)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png.

This is a case of convergent evolution (http://www.livescience.com/370-convergent-evolution-poison-frogs.html)http://global.fncstatic.com/static/v/all/img/external-link.png, wherein different species evolve independently but end up looking quite similar, according to the study, published recently in the journal Molecular Phylogenetics & Evolution. Or, as Yong put it, convergent evolution is "when different species turn up at life's party wearing the same clothes."

Considering that these animals are responsible for the majority of deaths caused by sea snakes, it's important to know the identity of the different species. Luckily, however, the antivenin used to treat bites from the Australian and Asian version of this "species" works on both, according to the study.

Both sea snakes feed almost exclusively on spiny catfish and puffer fishes, which requires the snake to open its jaws very wide. The scientists suggest this is one reason for their similar appearance; the notched jaw allows them to swallow these creatures whole.

The researchers have proposed new names for the sea snakes that will better reflect their evolutionary history. The Asian serpent should retain the name Enhydrina schistosa, they suggest, while the Australian species could be dubbed Enhydrina zweifeli.

Pedaling Fool
12-22-2012, 17:34
After reading one of the links within my link, it turns out this phenomenon of Cryptic Species has been identified before, here's a story on the Nile Crocodile http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/09/14/nile-crocodile-is-actually-two-species-and-the-egyptians-knew-it/

MuddyWaters
12-22-2012, 18:45
Some species will change sex if there is need to.

Grouper are one.

If you can do that, its only one small step to solo reproduction Id say.

Dogwood
12-22-2012, 21:22
Could it be JG is attempting to tie in a scientific topic with a current seasonal or religious theme? or JG is just being JG sharing esoteric scientific or nature related topics? You can always count on JG to bring up unusual or rare info or contribute to a conversation, sometimes in unforseen ways. His posts may be the average longest length here on WB. At least we can say he's original and what he offers isn't always mundane. Keeps me thinking. Coffee and learning new "stuff." I like that. LOL

Pedaling Fool
12-23-2012, 12:29
Could it be JG is attempting to tie in a scientific topic with a current seasonal or religious theme?:confused: Not sure what you mean by that Dogwood. But at any rate Happy (belated) Coelacanth Day !!! (http://evolvingcomplexityii.wordpress.com/2008/12/22/happy-coelacanth-day/)

Dogwood
12-23-2012, 13:52
Umm, virgin births.

I ddin't know there was a Coelacanth Day. Well, Happy Coelacanth Day to you too.

Be careful of coral snakes in the backyard this Happy Coelacanth season. Tongue in cheek.

You are always entertaining and thought provoking JG. I like that.

Namaste.

imscotty
12-23-2012, 15:31
John Gault,

Thanks to the ever-deceasing cost of DNA testing, new species are being discovered and the taxonomy of many plants and animals is being rewritten. See here, and here.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36781650/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/new-killer-whale-species-proposed/

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/03/27/hammerhead-sharks-far-rarer-than-believed/

There is so much that remains to be discovered, it is such an interesting world we live in. Your comment that perhaps there are some cryptic species along the AT that remain to be discovered is just another of life’s wonders to contemplate as we walk in the woods.

Pedaling Fool
10-25-2014, 08:20
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/10/141023-virgin-birth-pythons-snakes-animals-science/

Old Hiker
10-25-2014, 09:28
Yeah, but aren't we taking the snake's word she's a virgin? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. :-? Where are all the atheists saying this is impossible?

Gnomad
10-25-2014, 22:30
FYI Virginia creeper = parthancisis quinquikafolio (I am certain I misspelled and probably screwed that up). For 5 leaved and parthanogenic.

Gnomad
10-25-2014, 22:32
Parthenocissus quinquefolia

rocketsocks
10-26-2014, 02:01
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwDbgE54QYE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwDbgE54QYE

Pedaling Fool
06-02-2015, 07:42
Another interesting case of parthenogenesis in sawfish, will probably not be seen on the AT, as the snakes in the OP, but interesting nonetheless...

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-32958033

imscotty
06-02-2015, 10:40
And to add to the list, here is a species of Crayfish that reproduces entirely through Parthenogenesis...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmorkrebs

Old Hiker
06-02-2015, 12:27
Still like the word "amplexus".

AND his video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnFMQ2NAgyk

Pedaling Fool
09-18-2015, 09:06
Oops, I did it again....:) http://abc7.com/science/captive-snake-with-no-male-companion-gives-birth---again/989398/

Excerpt:

"For the second time in two years, a captive snake in southeast Missouri has given birth without any interaction with a member of the opposite sex.

Officials at the Missouri Department of Conservation's Cape Girardeau Conservation Nature Center say a female yellow-bellied water snake reproduced on her own in 2014 and again this summer. The snake has been living in captivity, without a male companion, for nearly eight years. An intern who cares for the snake found the freshly laid membranes in July."

rocketsocks
09-18-2015, 11:47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oijEsqT2QKQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oijEsqT2QKQ

Pedaling Fool
09-18-2015, 12:27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oijEsqT2QKQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oijEsqT2QKQ
It's just a movie, I know, but those words are so true and profound.

Life finds a way.

Kenai
09-18-2015, 12:43
Some species will change sex if there is need to.

Grouper are one.

If you can do that, its only one small step to solo reproduction Id say.

So I suppose that this gives new meaning to the expression, "to go reproduce oneself"? ;)

Traveler
09-18-2015, 19:50
So I suppose that this gives new meaning to the expression, "to go reproduce oneself"? ;)

It sure adds credence to my usual explanation when I see them, "Jesus, snakes!"

Pedaling Fool
12-16-2015, 07:46
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20151216-virgin-births-are-happening-everywhere


Interesting story on parthenogenesis


Excerpt:


We have written before about the strange but spectacular phenomenon of virgin births (http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20141219-spectacular-real-virgin-births), or "parthenogenesis" as it's known.Some animals are fully asexual and do not need a male to give birth: for instance, some species of whiptail lizards (http://eol.org/pages/18016/overview). But there are also animals that can mate with a male, but do not always do so, and they are the ones we are considering.

Here we report four new cases published in the scientific literature in 2015. They all point to the idea that, even in sexually-reproducing species, many animals have long been able to go it alone.......


.......It is generally believed that parthenogenesis arises in lizards through hybridization: when two related species mate, resulting in a new species. All the offspring of these hybrids are then female.Now that males have been found, it suggests this may not be the case. Instead parthenogenesis could have arisen spontaneously due to environmental pressures, says de Souza.

His analysis also suggests Muller's tegus have been doing it – or rather, not doing it – for four million years. "It contradicts previous studies, which proposed that parthenogenetic organisms have low genetic variation and, consequently, low evolutionary success," says de Souza.

imscotty
02-10-2016, 12:38
More virgin births...

http://metro.co.uk/2016/02/09/what-has-god-been-up-to-virgin-shark-is-about-to-give-birth-to-two-babies-5672686/#ixzz3zikTpClb

George
02-10-2016, 15:43
Some species will change sex if there is need to.
.

"call me Caitlyn"