Windscreen for LiteMax Titanium Stove

[JustADude]

Please suggest a durable lite windscreen for the LiteMax Titanium Stove. I tried making my own out of the turkey pan, but over time and usage the edges have gotten sharp ragged and are cutting into things.

Looking for one that packs up a little better and more durable lasting...and not sharp corners...evidently I still need the kindergarten scissors...

Thanks a ton for any feedback.

[bubonicplay]

Buy some ti foil from Tigoat.

[Odd Man Out]

Or aluminum flashing

[JustADude]

Or aluminum flashing Does aluminum flashing have the sharp corners? What do you use to shape it so that it doesn't? After the bad experience with the turkey pan poking and cutting into things I was hoping for something a little more out of the box...ugh... guess the same question for the ti Foil....

[QiWiz]

Please suggest a durable lite windscreen for the LiteMax Titanium Stove. I tried making my own out of the turkey pan, but over time and usage the edges have gotten sharp ragged and are cutting into things.

Looking for one that packs up a little better and more durable lasting...and not sharp corners...evidently I still need the kindergarten scissors...

Thanks a ton for any feedback.

If you are not in a big hurry, in the next few weeks I'm planning on adding some things to my gear fabrication - including windscreens made of titanium foil, windscreens made out of tooling 36 gauge aluminum (this is special type of ductile aluminum that can be roled, bent, folded, etc. without damage), and UL and SUL combo kits with DualFuel Alcohol/Esbit stoves or Esbit-only stoves plus windscreens to fit Fosters and Heineken pots as well as cooking mugs and small pots. I recognize that not everyone wants to get a wood burning stove. Can send me a PM if interested and I'll keep you posted.

[JaxHiker]

Buy a pack of aluminum foil cookie sheets. Cut the stiff ridge off leaving the bottom behind. Cut the bottom down the middle lengthwise. Fold the edges over so they lock together. Punch a few holes in the bottom edge for airflow (hole punch works fine). Total cost < $3. I've been using one like this for years and I have yet to replace it.

[JustADude]

aluminum foil cookie sheets

Thanks for the feedback.

Unfortunately, that is exactly what I am trying to get away from. It seems for me, after a couple of usages that the aluminum for me get sharp corners, starts tearing, etc. Probably due to my pack system or lack there of...trying to get to something that rolls up debured edges, etc...and will stay that way after a few uses...and is light...

I know that aluminum approach works for some...but unfortunately, after trying it didn't seem to work for me...cie la vie...thanks again...

[JaxHiker]

Sorry. Missed the turkey pan part.

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[Odd Man Out]

Does aluminum flashing have the sharp corners? What do you use to shape it so that it doesn't? After the bad experience with the turkey pan poking and cutting into things I was hoping for something a little more out of the box...ugh... guess the same question for the ti Foil....

My screen was for an alcohol stove. I didn't pick up on the fact that you are using a gas canister stove, so my design might not help. But here is the zen windscreen page. Mine looks like the first picture on the page (without the pot stand stakes). If it could be adapted for your use, then go for it. But with canister stoves you have to be careful that your screen doesn't trap so much heat to cause the canister to overheat and explode. For alcohol stoves, you need to heat your fuel, so the designs are very different.

http://zenstoves.net/PotStands-WindscreenStands.htm

[Onsen]

As oddmanout said, aluminium flashing...just fold over the 4 sides by a couple of mm, no more sharp edges.

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[bubonicplay]

I have a Litemax and it is a great UL stove, im sure someone will make a windscreen for it. I would not reccomend aluminum, it just doesnt have the strength that Ti foil has, Ti foil WILL last forever.

[QiWiz]

I have a Litemax and it is a great UL stove, im sure someone will make a windscreen for it. I would not reccomend aluminum, it just doesnt have the strength that Ti foil has, Ti foil WILL last forever.

+1

I have been trying different ways to address this problem. Basically, you want wind protection for your stove burner and bottom of pot. BUT, you can't have a windscreen go all the way to the ground, since an overheated canister can explode. Let's not go there. So, you need a way to suspend the windscreen at the right height, leaving the canister ventilated.

Aluminum can work if it is thick enough, but I would agree with bubonicplay's advice. Too thin and too close to hot flame and it melts! So titanium is a better option, though clearly a more expensive one.

My solution is to use a titanium foil windscreen that is suspended by 4 stainless steel wire hooks from a square of stainless steel mesh that sits on top of your pot supports, held down by your pot. It will go about 2.25 inches below the bottom of your pot to wind-protect the burner, and rise about 1.4 inches above the bottom of your pot to protect the burner flame contact area with the pot and be below any pot handles. The size of your pot determines the size of the windscreen. Eventually I may have these on my site with other gear, but in the meantime if you want one, PM me and let me know your pot diameter when you do to get a price quote.

[form]

and i thought i made a good decision on buying the used dragon fly,so what should i get?

[QiWiz]

and i thought i made a good decision on buying the used dragon fly,so what should i get?

MSR Dragonfly is a reliable white gas stove. IMO, great for group cooking with a large pot, serious winter snow melting, BUT: heavy and noisy. Lots of people prefer alcohol, canister, Esbit, or wood burning stoves that are lighter for solo use or for two people. It's what YOU like that matters in the end. There are lots of opinions about this issue on WB you can read. What I'm working on as a new endeavor are ways to wind-shelter canister stove burners that are ultralight and easy to add to your kit.

[Dogwood]

What are you trying to protect from the edges of the aluminum? How or where were you storing your aluminum windscreen. And lastly, what guage alumninum flashing were you using?

I use a very thin extremely ductile aluminum section of flashing I got for free from a job site. I cut it down so it coils up burrito style nside my Snow Peak Mini Solo Ti cooking pot. Storing the windscreen this way doesn't risk damaging any of my other expensive gear. I've also seen hikers wrap their windscreen flashing on the outside of their cooking pot. Inside this burrito I place my fuel(4 oz iso can or 6 fluid oz plastic bottle of alchy fuel), stove(whether it be a home made alchy stove or iso burner), and a mini lighter and Ti foldable or sliding plastic GSI spork wrapped up in a cut down MSR chamois diddy cloth. I drilled some small 1/16" holes in the flashing to allow a LITTLE air and heat to pass. Yeah, it took some experimenting to get all that inside my Snow Peak Solo Pot.

I think different thickness aluminum flashing or what you trim it down with can effect how sharp the edges of the flashing/foil are. When I cut down the flashing I paid special attention to very slightly rounding the corners and avoiding creating sharp edges.

Yeah, the aluminum flashing doesn't last forever but it lasts way longer this way since I'm not folding and pounding it flat. If I ever need another piece I'll check out where roofers or masons are working. Oh, I did say it was free, didn't I?

[Starchild]

I have used the sides of a soda/beer can with the edges folded over so there are no sharp edges. By folding over the edges it is also easy to combine several together to make it longer.

[keepinitsimple]

I had a pocket rocket for a long time, now I use esbit and 2 rocks. Either way I fold up tinfoil from the kitchen until it's thick, and the right dimensions. Very strong, can configure to do many of the things discussed. I have to make a new one every once in a while. And I am not out on the trail for extended stays or nothing. It seems like the world of stoves etc. very expensive and technical, yet i have enjoyed my method for some time.

[Wise Old Owl]

Does aluminum flashing have the sharp corners? What do you use to shape it so that it doesn't? After the bad experience with the turkey pan poking and cutting into things I was hoping for something a little more out of the box...ugh... guess the same question for the ti Foil....

+1 flashing- grab some steel wool.

[QiWiz]

Here's a concept that seems to have merit for adding a windscreen to a canister stove. Pot shown is 700 ml. Materials are stainless steel (both the 1/4" mesh and the wires for the windscreen support) and titanium foil for the windscreen itself. Weight of both is 20 g. Feedback appreciated.

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[JaxHiker]

That's pretty dang nifty!

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[TheYoungOne]

I had a pocket rocket for a long time, now I use esbit and 2 rocks. Either way I fold up tinfoil from the kitchen until it's thick, and the right dimensions. Very strong, can configure to do many of the things discussed. I have to make a new one every once in a while. And I am not out on the trail for extended stays or nothing. It seems like the world of stoves etc. very expensive and technical, yet i have enjoyed my method for some time.

I do this. It seems the OP is is too worried about cutting jagged edges, so unless its already factory pre-cut, no matter what you do you are going to get jagged edges. My windscreen is basically a sheet of heavy duty aluminum foil. Get the extra long roll of heavy duty foil, and pull out 10" or 12" and tear. Fold that length over on itself and take that 5" or 6" high piece and fold it over on itself until the size of a postcard. You need a windscreen, use the foil. You need a emergency pot lid, use the foil. You can basically shape it to whatever you want, and its cheap and easy to replace.


Here is a good example. I'm better at folding foil then I am cutting metal with tin snips.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmO7ZRiZ5JA

[grateful 2]

This is a great idea. One of the best I have seen on Whiteblaze. It really looks like this will work. Let me know when these go into production. and how much they will be.

Have you done any tests to see how much the boil times are reduced? I believe it will be significant.
Here's a concept that seems to have merit for adding a windscreen to a canister stove. Pot shown is 700 ml. Materials are stainless steel (both the 1/4" mesh and the wires for the windscreen support) and titanium foil for the windscreen itself. Weight of both is 20 g. Feedback appreciated.

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http://cache.backpackinglight.com/backpackinglight/user_uploads/1353184779_71675.jpg

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[QiWiz]

This is a great idea. One of the best I have seen on Whiteblaze. It really looks like this will work. Let me know when these go into production. and how much they will be.

Have you done any tests to see how much the boil times are reduced? I believe it will be significant.

In my own testing, boil times vary with how windy it is, but I am generally getting 10%-15% improvement. I've sent you a PM in case you want to get a pre-production model. I don't yet have enough ti foil to go into regular production, but it is coming.

[cabbagehead]

Great idea. I had another suspension idea.

[cabbagehead]

Here's a concept that seems to have merit for adding a windscreen to a canister stove. Pot shown is 700 ml. Materials are stainless steel (both the 1/4" mesh and the wires for the windscreen support) and titanium foil for the windscreen itself. Weight of both is 20 g. Feedback appreciated.http://www.backpackinglight.com/backpackinglight/elements/pencil.png (http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/mb_post_form.html?po=edit&note_id=601477&forum_thread_id=70067)

Thanks QiWiz. I came up with 2 prototypes that accomplish this task. Feel free to modify or manufacture them (as long as I get publicity/recognition out of it).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVgXsod2CBU&amp;feature=g-crec-u

[cabbagehead]

For the liteMax stove, you could drill 4 tiny holes (1 at the end of each pot support) and use the holes to attach a wire suspension system.

[QiWiz]

I think cabbagehead's idea will work well for a burner that has four pot supports as he demonstrates. Not sure if it will work as well for the models with three pot supports, but he or someone else could try that out.

This video is a preview of a complete kit that I will soon be offering in addition to the windscreens. I'm just waiting on delivery of titanium foil. If anyone wants to preorder this kit just PM me.


http://youtu.be/7Z-2-m9IUwg

[cabbagehead]

I did it. I came up with the ultimate suspension method. See the 2nd half of the 1st video I posted 1st.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qYnOWFoJC8

Advantages of this windscreen suspension system


- the lightest
- quick to set up: Just put the 3 or 4 hooks in the pot holder holes.
- Easy to manufacture
- part of the windscreen
- adaptable to a stove with any number of pot holders

I'm sorry QiWiz. Your suspension system was a good design that did the job, but now it's outdated. This wire suspension system weighs approximately nothing and is just as easy to set up. You will need to include this design in your windscreens in order to maintain a reputation of being an ultralight manufacturer.

[Dogwood]

You are a bunch of over the top gear wonks. What the heck is wrong with all of you? Um, wait a minute that can be aptly applied to me too. Never mind. Some good ideas fellow gear wonks.

[zelph]

My Titanium foil came in on Friday. I couldn't resist getting on the Ti bandwagon:)

I'm right behind everyone out there making Ti stuff. I'm slow, but I'm good:D

[zelph]

For the liteMax stove, you could drill 4 tiny holes (1 at the end of each pot support) and use the holes to attach a wire suspension system.

If it's windy enough to use a windscreen your suspension system will be a PITA to keep the wind from blowing it everywhichway. You'll get it sitting on the stove just right and when you take your hands off of it it will surely blow off the stove.

[QiWiz]

I'm sorry QiWiz. Your suspension system was a good design that did the job, but now it's outdated. This wire suspension system weighs approximately nothing and is just as easy to set up. You will need to include this design in your windscreens in order to maintain a reputation of being an ultralight manufacturer.

Competition drives innovation. I love it!

Your wires are light, but so are my hooks and mesh. Mesh just weighs 8 grams. Wires will vary somewhat based on pot size, but are just a few grams. The heavy part of your kit is the aluminum flashing windscreen. Your system depends on a relatively rigid windscreen that will not buckle with the tension you put on it. Flashing will do this but 36 gauge tooling aluminum definitely won't and I'm not sure about titanium foil (the thicker foil from titanium goat just might hold up). So bottom line is you are not the lightest. If you look at my video, the whole shebang (windscreen, mesh and hook windscreen support) only weighs 20 grams. And that is for a solution that will work without modification on just about ANY canister stove that is made.

[cabbagehead]

Competition drives innovation. I love it!

Your wires are light, but so are my hooks and mesh. Mesh just weighs 8 grams. Wires will vary somewhat based on pot size, but are just a few grams. The heavy part of your kit is the aluminum flashing windscreen. Your system depends on a relatively rigid windscreen that will not buckle with the tension you put on it. Flashing will do this but 36 gauge tooling aluminum definitely won't and I'm not sure about titanium foil (the thicker foil from titanium goat just might hold up). So bottom line is you are not the lightest. If you look at my video, the whole shebang (windscreen, mesh and hook windscreen support) only weighs 20 grams. And that is for a solution that will work without modification on just about ANY canister stove that is made.

I had free flashing to experiment on. My father found it for free. I never made a kit, and I don't sell windscreens. I just wanted to create a youtube video with lots of views. I wanted to see other people create a wire suspension windscreen and experiment with it. It would provide me with entertainment. A wire suspension system couldn't weigh more than .5 grams, and it's built into the windscreen (1 less thing).

Also, aluminum has it's advantages for a windscreen. The density of aluminum is 2.7 g/ml, and titanium is 4.5. If you take a thin sheet of metal and a thick sheet of metal, and round their edges, the thin sheet will be sharper. A dull aluminum windscreen is lighter than a titanium windscreen that is just as dull (same dimensions) because the two are of the same thickness (same volume). A titanium windscreen would be stronger, but windscreens don't need to be strong. They don't bear any load, and they're stored inside a protective pot.

[QiWiz]

You can use a CCF butt pad, as long as it is held 2-3 inches away from pot and burner. A key addition is some tape tabs on the bottom edge that let you anchor it with rocks. The cord is optional, but helps stabilize the configuration.

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[QiWiz]

Duplicate post removed, sorry