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Mags
12-12-2012, 21:38
Dirt bagging at the surplus store!

Military surplus gear is often heavy, bulky and not suitable for much backcountry use. But buried among the heavy packs, canvas sleeping bags and MASH-style tents, there are some items that are a good bargain and works well for outdoor fun.
At the start of the modern backpacking era (post- World War Two or so), it was very common for an outdoors person to stop by their local military surplus store for their camping and backpacking needs.: A Mountain Troop rucksack (http://www.mountaintroops.us/history_rucksack.html), GI issue poncho, compass and knife was used by Earl Shaffer on his historic 1948 AT thru-hike (http://www.earlshaffer.com/aboutearl.html). More than a few people started off their backpacking career by hitting up the Army-Navy store for their packs, sleeping bags and tent. . And many outdoor activities were had while clad in surplus olive drab clothing.
But as the outdoor industry came of age, the often bulky and heavy military gear was replaced by lighter, better engineered and more efficient clothing and gear.
Cotton twill pants were replaced by nylon pants that dried quicker. Camelbaks replaced canteens. The heavy canvas tents gave way to quicker drying and lighter material.
The outdoor industry surpassed the military issued gear enough where the military started adopting and modifying civilian gear for its own use (http://www.adsinc.com/company/solutions/clothing-programs/gen-iii-ecwcs//).
Along the way though, , there was a perception change.
"Real" outdoor enthusiasts don't use surplus. That's only for ATVers, hunters and the people who stockpile five years of food (https://www.google.com/search?q=preppers&aq=f&oq=preppers&aqs=chrome.0.57j0l3j62.12164&sugexp=chrome,mod=5&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8).
Like wise, the other "real outdoor people" who hunt, fish and ride their ATVs won't shop at REI and other "yuppie" outdoor stores.
Which is a shame.
A good camping tent is a good camping tent. And a rugged and light technical clothing works be it hiking up a 14er or at an elk camp.
Conversely, many of the people who do shop at REI and/or specialty lightweight gear manufacturers are missing out on some surprisingly good gear. Gear and clothing that is functional, lighter than expected and inexpensive.
Listed below are some items found in surplus stores other people or myself have found to be good alternatives to more mainstream gear.
I picked items that are more feasible for the modern outdoor recreationist and make sense from a price and use situation.. As an example, a MOLLE pack (http://www.squidoo.com/military-molle-backpacks) may be serviceable enough but there are more suitable packs that are lighter for backpacking.
Likewise the Gen III ECWCS (http://www.adsinc.com/company/solutions/clothing-programs/gen-iii-ecwcs/) line has some nice items and is durable, but are often heavier and around the same price as similar clothing from such stores as REI. (In fact, some of the newer ECWCS items were designed by commercial manufacturers).
Note: Not all items are necessarily issued by the military. Some items are third party but allowed to be used with the regulation uniform. Others are items often found next to the military issued items and usually found in your typical surplus store.

Photos and items at:

http://www.pmags.com/outfitted-by-gi-joe-military-surplus-gear


(The table is bit too much to copy and paste..)

10-K
12-12-2012, 23:52
I picked up a big sack of wool cold weather gear for less than $40 a few months ago. Gloves, liners, mittens, wool toboggans, jacket liner and a few other odds and ends. Can't beat the price and wool is good stuff.

Feral Bill
12-13-2012, 02:51
You forgot the trigger finger mittens. None better.

Hairbear
12-13-2012, 06:08
i picked up an aluminum canteen for 5 bucks.it makes a great hot water bottle.

Velvet Gooch
12-13-2012, 06:58
Some of the newer generation ECWCS stuff is great

10-K
12-13-2012, 07:49
You forgot the trigger finger mittens. None better.

I got a pair!

perrymk
12-13-2012, 08:50
My first civilian backpacking trip used all military gear but it wasn't using surplus gear. It was gear that was issued to me. It was an overnight trip on the AT around 1984. We (went with a friend) even signed MREs from the chow hall. All we actually had to pay for was gas in my truck to get from Ft Bragg to the trail.

Smooth & Wasabi
12-13-2012, 09:32
I still have two great surplus scores that can't be beat.

French army double plastic mountaineering boots. Made by rossignol, vibram sole, crampon compatable. They have leather uppers and a plastic tongue which are great for the type mountaineering I do on the rare occasion I am not on skis. 40$ several years ago at my local surplus store.

Military version of the Patagonia Houdini. Great green color. A tiny bit heavier than the civilian version (nothing i couldn't fix with a pair of scissors) 50$ from the Patagonia site

Very high value to performance ratio.

Mags
12-13-2012, 11:58
Keep 'em coming. If you all don't mind (and if I give credit), I was going to include the suggestions.

If anyone objects to me listing them, please let me know!

ps. Shell mitts

Did you mean these?
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/used-size-xl-us-military-ecw-trigger-finger-mitts-black.aspx?a=1100976


Look pretty spiffy..esp for the price!

Donde
12-13-2012, 12:34
GI ponchos make excellent tarps.

+1 on the trigger mittens

huge+1 on the poncho liner, don't go nowhere without your woobie

for the shorts, you can get brand new ranger panties for $9 at soffe.com

Feral Bill
12-13-2012, 12:36
Keep 'em coming. If you all don't mind (and if I give credit), I was going to include the suggestions.

If anyone objects to me listing them, please let me know!

ps. Shell mitts

Did you mean these?
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/used-size-xl-us-military-ecw-trigger-finger-mitts-black.aspx?a=1100976


Look pretty spiffy..esp for the price! I was referring to the older style. Those look even better.

What I haven't seen in years are the nylon wind pants we use in ancient times. Pity.

Snowleopard
12-13-2012, 12:46
Tunnel hood: these are too warm for most uses, but are ideal for winter above treeline where face protection is vital. http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/new-us-military-surplus-shoremans-hood-olive-drab.aspx?a=916804

Old Hiker
12-13-2012, 16:34
Green wool glove inserts.
Poncho liner for down to about 45*
Not for hiking but riding when it's pretty cold on my motorcycle: green wool pants - 2 sizes large to be a pair of overpants.