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jeffmeh
08-03-2013, 17:29
No - NH is assumed to be slow due to the mountains. The REST of the slow days (with one exception) were on town days. And every town (with one exception) had a slow day.

There is no doubt that the toughest section is between Gorham and Glencliff, and Matt's experience is consistent with that.

Sly
08-03-2013, 18:16
There is no doubt that the toughest section is between Gorham and Glencliff, and Matt's experience is consistent with that.

For mere mortals you can add the Mahoosucs to that.

jeffmeh
08-03-2013, 20:10
For mere mortals you can add the Mahoosucs to that.

Agreed. Equally difficult, but for a much shorter stretch.

canoe
08-03-2013, 23:45
Is Matt keeping a blog? or journal? If so where can it be found. I am down in GA doing that section. It is highly possible that we will cross paths. Is there a pic of him anywhere? I hate to keep asking everyone I pass "Are you Matt"

Go Matt Go

Just Bill
08-03-2013, 23:49
his YouTube Channel is ATsub60- he's posting video's there.

canoe
08-04-2013, 00:03
Thanks Bill

Colter
08-04-2013, 01:02
Matt's Youtube Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/ATsub60?feature=watch)

BabySue
08-04-2013, 01:12
Perhaps I saw Matt K. today (Saturday, August 4), around Charlie's Bunion. Would that fit his itinerary?

jeffmeh
08-04-2013, 03:57
Perhaps I saw Matt K. today (Saturday, August 4), around Charlie's Bunion. Would that fit his itinerary?

Are you related to Lone Wolf? :)

Malto
08-04-2013, 08:51
Is Matt keeping a blog? or journal? If so where can it be found. I am down in GA doing that section. It is highly possible that we will cross paths. Is there a pic of him anywhere? I hate to keep asking everyone I pass "Are you Matt"

Go Matt Go

you don't need to know what he looks like. He is moving so fast there it would be a flash, followed by a burnt trail. :)

Malto
08-04-2013, 08:55
So what will be the grand finish at Springer? JFD hike with him from Neels to Springer for a short trip down memory lane? Lone Wolf lead a welcoming committee. Does he sneak to Springer in the middle of the night, alone. What will be the finish?

Lone Wolf
08-04-2013, 09:09
Perhaps I saw Matt K. today (Saturday, August 4), around Charlie's Bunion. Would that fit his itinerary?

how dare you give his whereabouts! that puts him in danger

Lone Wolf
08-04-2013, 09:11
Lone Wolf lead a welcoming committee.

Ward never had one. this guy needs to turn around and head north to try to break the NOBO unsupported record

tdoczi
08-04-2013, 09:31
Ward never had one. this guy needs to turn around and head north to try to break the NOBO unsupported record
why bother? you and a few other people will just think up some other nonsense reason why what ward did was so much better.

Lone Wolf
08-04-2013, 12:03
why bother? you and a few other people will just think up some other nonsense reason why what ward did was so much better.

no. they're 2 different hikes. simple

Odd Man Out
08-04-2013, 12:44
Perhaps I saw Matt K. today (Saturday, August 4), around Charlie's Bunion. Would that fit his itinerary?

If he was there on Aug 4, he would have gotten WAY behind schedule sometime in the last 4 days.

jeffmeh
08-04-2013, 13:23
Perhaps I saw Matt K. today (Saturday, August 4), around Charlie's Bunion. Would that fit his itinerary?

Incidentally, Saturday was Aug 3, so plausible.

Odd Man Out
08-04-2013, 16:50
Incidentally, Saturday was Aug 3, so plausible.

You're right. That make more sense.

MuddyWaters
08-04-2013, 19:09
how dare you give his whereabouts! that puts him in danger

For security, there could be multiple Matt Kirk doubles hiking , spaced out 30 miles apart. Dressed alike, looking similar with dark beards, in order to protect him and obscure his true location. The only one to know when he really crosses Springer might be him, and his mama.

Just Bill
08-04-2013, 22:18
why bother? you and a few other people will just think up some other nonsense reason why what ward did was so much better.

Weak- if you are going to mess with LW have some respect and come a little harder.
no. they're 2 different hikes. simple Well...Fair point- and I guess your response was appropriate to the level of effort applied. Out of pure curiosity- did anyone greet Ward- and out of pure seriousness- did Ward even understand what he had done when he did it? AND HEY!- looky there- you weren't the one to break the silence on his location! Thankfully the one who did didn't own a fully functioning version of this year's calendar.

Just Bill
08-04-2013, 22:23
For security, there could be multiple Matt Kirk doubles hiking , spaced out 30 miles apart. Dressed alike, looking similar with dark beards, in order to protect him and obscure his true location. The only one to know when he really crosses Springer might be him, and his mama.
I have been in contact with Matt Kirk's people- despite the great difficulty- There are in fact at least 20, and as many as 50, (according to undisclosed sources) Matt Kirk clones to confuse the issue. IN addition, breaking news, Matt Kirk is currently en route to breaking the PCT speed record. There is no solid conformation on which Matt Kirk is actually on the trail (you pick which trail) and intends to break a record- but by all accounts it is clear that a PCT and/or AT record may fall shortly and that Matt Kirk will be involved in some way shape or form. I have been drinking- moderators are advised to beware.

map man
08-04-2013, 23:58
Videos were recently posted for days 53 and 54 (looks like there is only a two day delay now) and Matt will have around 200 miles to go by the end of day 54, it appears. It sure looks to me like the finish will come on day 59 or 60, barring bad luck. Go Matt.

tdoczi
08-05-2013, 00:09
no. they're 2 different hikes. simple
and why exactly does he NEED to break the other record also?

tdoczi
08-05-2013, 00:13
Weak- if you are going to mess with LW have some respect and come a little harder. Well...Fair point- and I guess your response was appropriate to the level of effort applied. Out of pure curiosity- did anyone greet Ward- and out of pure seriousness- did Ward even understand what he had done when he did it? AND HEY!- looky there- you weren't the one to break the silence on his location! Thankfully the one who did didn't own a fully functioning version of this year's calendar.

the key word in LW's post that I replied to is "need." why does matt need to turn around break the "nobo record."? clearly because LW feels matt has to prove something to him.

Just Bill
08-05-2013, 00:28
Matt doesn't need to prove anything. Neither do you. LW feels that there is something amusing in posting confussing things. Don't get confussed.

jersey joe
08-05-2013, 09:00
Here is what I have so far...Day 54 he was at 1983.3 miles at 8pm, trying to push to double spring.



Day
Daily Miles
Total Miles


1
37.80
38.2


2
33.20
71.4


3
40.10
111.5


4
39.70
151.2


5
31.90
183.1


6
35.50
218.6


7
42.80
261.4


8
36.90
298.3


9
26.90
325.2


10
27.90
353.1


11
22.90
376


12
33.30
409.3


13
34.40
443.7


14
32.30
476


15
34.00
510


16
36.00
546


17
36.50
582.5


18
37.60
620.1


19
36.40
656.5


20
39.80
696.3


21
38.90
735.2


22
37.30
772.5


23
36.00
808.5


24
38.30
846.8


25
38.20
885


26
37.00
922


27
38.00
960


28
40.70
1000.7


29
42.60
1043.3


30
33.80
1077.1


31
40.60
1117.7


32
34.80
1152.5


33
34.70
1187.2


34
36.50
1223.7


35
42.10
1265.8


36
42.10
1307.9


37
40.10
1348


38
42.00
1390


39
34.00
1424


40
38.40
1462.4


41
33.60
1496


42
42.00
1538


43
34.70
1572.7


44
41.00
1613.7


45
34.50
1648.2


46
37.70
1685.9


47
33.10
1719


48
40.10
1759.1


49
35.70
1794.80


50
37.30
1832.10


51
38.70
1870.80


52
40.70
1911.50


53
35.30
1946.8


54
43.10
1989.9???

jeffmeh
08-05-2013, 09:11
JJ, if day 54 is correct, it is Matt's highest mileage day thus far!

Sly
08-05-2013, 09:27
JJ, if day 54 is correct, it is Matt's highest mileage day thus far!

Apparently he's shaken off any injury and illness and picked it up a notch. At this time I imagine he wants to shave as much as he can to make harder for the next guy.

tdoczi
08-05-2013, 10:37
Matt doesn't need to prove anything. Neither do you. LW feels that there is something amusing in posting confussing things. Don't get confussed.
im not confussed. this is the same guy who for years, every time someone has made a nobo record attempted, has posted criticizing them for not going sobo, because that would be the way in which to break the record.

Lone Wolf
08-05-2013, 10:39
:rolleyes:............

Just Bill
08-05-2013, 11:13
Have to wait until 55 to confirm his mileage for 54- left off at 1983.3 at 8:15pm. (36.4)
Tdoczi- The confussing thing about LW is that he will likely take the opposite opinion, as his opinion is not based upon an opinion per say, but a conversational opinion that varies in order to increase the confussion present at any given time. NOBO and SOBO are both horrible options in his opinion, provided that your opinion supports one or the other. If you are interested; the best way to confuss a known confusser is to team up with someone and both discuss opposite sides of the same debate, forcing him to argue both opinions at the same time. Unfortunately an experienced conversationalist such as he would likely get wise and true to form would take up the third side of the debate and swear that hiking at all is a horrible idea or that the only way to set a record is during the year 1990, forcing any modern record setter, regardless of direction, to invent a time traveling machine in order to set a record. And according to LW that is exactly what Ward did (or didn't do). Very confussing.

Driver8
08-05-2013, 11:26
Have to wait until 55 to confirm his mileage for 54- left off at 1983.3 at 8:15pm. (36.4)
Tdoczi- The confussing thing about LW is that he will likely take the opposite opinion, as his opinion is not based upon an opinion per say, but a conversational opinion that varies in order to increase the confussion present at any given time. NOBO and SOBO are both horrible options in his opinion, provided that your opinion supports one or the other. If you are interested; the best way to confuss a known confusser is to team up with someone and both discuss opposite sides of the same debate, forcing him to argue both opinions at the same time. Unfortunately an experienced conversationalist such as he would likely get wise and true to form would take up the third side of the debate and swear that hiking at all is a horrible idea or that the only way to set a record is during the year 1990, forcing any modern record setter, regardless of direction, to invent a time traveling machine in order to set a record. And according to LW that is exactly what Ward did (or didn't do). Very confussing.

I'm certainly confussed. ...

T.S.Kobzol
08-05-2013, 11:50
almost diabolical. definitelly telling though.

RCBear
08-05-2013, 11:56
Funny how this started out as about the most straightforward thread I can think of, considering its pretty much statistical in nature. I guess nothing is immune from drift. Welcome back tdoczi. :cool:

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tdoczi
08-05-2013, 12:42
Have to wait until 55 to confirm his mileage for 54- left off at 1983.3 at 8:15pm. (36.4)
Tdoczi- The confussing thing about LW is that he will likely take the opposite opinion, as his opinion is not based upon an opinion per say, but a conversational opinion that varies in order to increase the confussion present at any given time. NOBO and SOBO are both horrible options in his opinion, provided that your opinion supports one or the other. If you are interested; the best way to confuss a known confusser is to team up with someone and both discuss opposite sides of the same debate, forcing him to argue both opinions at the same time. Unfortunately an experienced conversationalist such as he would likely get wise and true to form would take up the third side of the debate and swear that hiking at all is a horrible idea or that the only way to set a record is during the year 1990, forcing any modern record setter, regardless of direction, to invent a time traveling machine in order to set a record. And according to LW that is exactly what Ward did (or didn't do). Very confussing.

yeah i'd say you pretty well have it nailed.

tdoczi
08-05-2013, 12:43
Funny how this started out as about the most straightforward thread I can think of, considering its pretty much statistical in nature. I guess nothing is immune from drift. Welcome back tdoczi. :cool:

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never really gone, not exactly back either.

Odd Man Out
08-05-2013, 13:06
JJ, if day 54 is correct, it is Matt's highest mileage day thus far!

If his mileages were right, at 8 PM he was just 0.3 mi short of the Mt Collins Shelter, so unless he stopped there or camped illegally, he would have to make it to Double Spring. Not so many options in GSMNP.

forrest!
08-05-2013, 20:08
Have to wait until 55 to confirm his mileage for 54- left off at 1983.3 at 8:15pm. (36.4)
Tdoczi- The confussing thing about LW is that he will likely take the opposite opinion, as his opinion is not based upon an opinion per say, but a conversational opinion that varies in order to increase the confussion present at any given time. NOBO and SOBO are both horrible options in his opinion, provided that your opinion supports one or the other. If you are interested; the best way to confuss a known confusser is to team up with someone and both discuss opposite sides of the same debate, forcing him to argue both opinions at the same time. Unfortunately an experienced conversationalist such as he would likely get wise and true to form would take up the third side of the debate and swear that hiking at all is a horrible idea or that the only way to set a record is during the year 1990, forcing any modern record setter, regardless of direction, to invent a time traveling machine in order to set a record. And according to LW that is exactly what Ward did (or didn't do). Very confussing.

Sounds like a contrarian. It can be very helpful interfacing with them if you recognize the behavior. If you don't it can be very frustrating.

tdoczi
08-05-2013, 20:12
Sounds like a contrarian. It can be very helpful interfacing with them if you recognize the behavior. If you don't it can be very frustrating.

contrarian, or just intellectually inconsistent?

Lone Wolf
08-05-2013, 20:15
y'all are too focused on me. not healthy, kids. where is matt?

Sly
08-05-2013, 20:16
contrarian, or just intellectually inconsistent?

Yogi Berra says, "You got that right."

Lone Wolf
08-05-2013, 20:21
Yogi Berra says, "You got that right."

your good buddy EZ says that a lot. what a D bag he's turned out to be

Sly
08-05-2013, 20:27
your good buddy EZ says that a lot. what a D bag he's turned out to be

Haven't heard from him. (and his one of my field editors)

map man
08-05-2013, 22:10
I just went back to some of Matt's early videos and noticed that his start time leaving Baxter Peak was 9:42 in the morning -- something to keep in mind when calculating his total time at the end. I'll take a stab at the finish time pool and say 58 days and 14 hours, finishing just before midnight on his 59th hiking day. I believe that will be just around two days from now.

I know it's not exactly brave of me to wait until so close to the end to guess at a time;).

rocketsocks
08-05-2013, 22:16
I just went back to some of Matt's early videos and noticed that his start time leaving Baxter Peak was 9:42 in the morning -- something to keep in mind when calculating his total time at the end. I'll take a stab at the finish time pool and say 58 days and 14 hours, finishing just before midnight on his 59th hiking day. I believe that will be just around two days from now.

I know it's not exactly brave of me to wait until so close to the end to guess at a time;).
No worries..still just a swag (Scientific wild arse guess) and thanks for all the posting you guys are doing, it's been a fun thread to follow.

Just Bill
08-05-2013, 22:17
Did you nail down the prize yet? Or is it still a used "rocket" sock?

Colter
08-05-2013, 22:33
ward's record will stand
According to this guy Matt has no chance.

I'm not certain Matt will beat the record, although it sounds very good. I am certain that somebody will beat it, and then somebody will beat that new record. Even if the mountains WERE steeper and everything WAS better in the olden days. :)

Odd Man Out
08-05-2013, 22:37
Way back on 7/23 (post #267, mile 1613) I picked noon on day 60. I'll stick with that.

Just Bill
08-05-2013, 22:38
Darn- now I gotta look mine up...

Just Bill
08-05-2013, 22:42
"Using the term very loosely, my scientific formula has him at 56.43 days."- 269, easy enough to find- Looks like I'm out barring a miracle.

Driver8
08-06-2013, 01:29
I just went back to some of Matt's early videos and noticed that his start time leaving Baxter Peak was 9:42 in the morning -- something to keep in mind when calculating his total time at the end. I'll take a stab at the finish time pool and say 58 days and 14 hours, finishing just before midnight on his 59th hiking day. I believe that will be just around two days from now.

I know it's not exactly brave of me to wait until so close to the end to guess at a time;).

That's pretty close to my guess of 58.7 of two weeks ago. If it works out, it would somewhat validate my logic of starting with an optimistic, best possible time based on pace to time of guessing, then factor in some soreness/tiredness/tweaked knee-or-the-like, deducting one to two days from best possible. We'll see. Hoping he cruises in safely and soundly from here.

Driver8
08-06-2013, 01:33
Did you nail down the prize yet? Or is it still a used "rocket" sock?

It was intended as no stakes from the beginning, but a booby prize would be fun, too. :D

Driver8
08-06-2013, 01:34
Sorry, meant to link to my "pool-starting" post: http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/showthread.php?90761-Self-Supported-In-Under-60-Days&p=1505364&viewfull=1#post1505364

tdoczi
08-06-2013, 02:32
y'all are too focused on me. not healthy, kids. where is matt?
doing something that renders his hike inferior to the great ward leonard's, no doubt.

RCBear
08-06-2013, 06:13
doing something that renders his hike inferior to the great ward leonard's, no doubt.

I'm looking forward to the record falling, if only to hear of Ward's reaction to it. That is one kooky dude :-)

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Just Bill
08-06-2013, 06:53
I'm looking forward to the record falling, if only to hear of Ward's reaction to it. That is one kooky dude :-)

Sent from my Galaxy Note 2 using Tapatalk 2 Mr. Leonard is a badass backpacker- that's all we need to know:)

RCBear
08-06-2013, 07:24
Mr. Leonard is a badass backpacker- that's all we need to know:)

I won't call his skills into question, just his mental stability. I'm of the opinion that the AT is for him, truly a life saver. I wouldnt want to spend 20 mins in that guy's head, let alone a lifetime. He's a colorful character for sure, but to thruhike the same trail a dozen times, I guess you gotta be :-)

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Lone Wolf
08-06-2013, 07:27
he has a mental illness. is that funny?

HikerMom58
08-06-2013, 07:33
he has a mental illness. is that funny?

not healthy, kids...... I LOVE IT!!!!

I have to make this my sig... :)

stranger
08-06-2013, 07:33
Ward's hike will always be more impressive because of 'when' it was done (1990)...no disrespect to Matt, he will take the record and is an incredible hiker, but its 2013 and a different game.

The spitball was still around when Ward set his record

T.S.Kobzol
08-06-2013, 07:58
I have to admit that often when I see followups on serious posts I am confused. Maybe it's because I just pop in and pop out of here and don't spend enough time to learn about the characters. :-?



not healthy, kids...... I LOVE IT!!!!

I have to make this my sig... :)

Just Bill
08-06-2013, 08:19
he has a mental illness. is that funny?

RCBear (and anyone really)- Whether my polite smiley faces and gentle nudges or LW's more direct comments on the subject; across the board I say we drop the personal comments. Ward Leonard is a fellow backpacker, quite an accomplished one. Whatever else you may or may not know about it- that's all you need to share. I know in your case nothing harmful is meant by the comments Mr. Bear; but bottom line he is "one of us." I know he can be a touchy subject- so why touch it? Twenty odd years later- leave the man in peace.

Who is better- Nessmuk, Horace Kephart, Colin Fletcher or Ray Jardine? The correct answer is none of them. Nessmuk was first to do it. Kephart was first to share it. Fletcher re-energized and updated the message. Jardine blew it up like a rocket and reshaped the sport. Each man was the best in his time, each man had to do things that others said were un-doable, and each one influenced the next man on this list. One doesn't succeed the other by knocking the former down and climbing on their back, rather they are like a team climbing a mountain that never ends. The one who goes before fixing lines and clearing a route so the next man can continue. There is no top, no one will reach the summit- each participant is merely part of the climb. Should Matt break the record, he will simply join the team; picking up the lead rope from Ward until the next person comes along. You may admire certain things about each man on the team, but no one on it is better than another.

HikerMom58
08-06-2013, 08:21
y'all are too focused on me. not healthy, kids. where is matt?

OK... this is the original post by Lone Wolf. This is great!!

While it's not funny that someone has a mental illness at all.. I just had to use his own words when I read his post. I don't know a thing about this Ward guy but if I seriously thought he had a mental illness, I wouldn't have posted that comment.

Lone Wolf
08-06-2013, 08:32
y'all are too focused on me. not healthy, kids. where is matt?


OK... this is the original post by Lone Wolf. This is great!!

While it's not funny that someone has a mental illness at all.. I just had to use his own words when I read his post. I don't know a thing about this Ward guy but if I seriously thought he had a mental illness, I wouldn't posted that comment.i meant it's not healthy for the kids on here to focus on me

hikerboy57
08-06-2013, 08:35
i meant it's not healthy for the kids on here to focus on me
you have followers

Just Bill
08-06-2013, 08:38
i meant it's not healthy for the kids on here to focus on me
Then stop being such an interesting fellow.

RCBear
08-06-2013, 08:38
he has a mental illness. is that funny?

Its not fun for him, or funny for some that have been on the other end of it. Again, I don't call his accomplishments on the trail into question, nor those of anyone else that are in his skill class. They stand on their own merits, regardless of which direction they choose to hike. But the fact is, he is one of those that seemed to relish telling others in no uncertain terms how they were supposed to hike their hike. I'm not a fan of his.

That said, I agree with another poster that 20 plus years in equipment development makes each passing year a bit more manageable. So I prefer to compare record endeavors against other contemporary efforts. It's the only fair way to do it. Both Ward, Matt and the others that have even sniffed at a 60 day thru are major achievers.

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Malto
08-06-2013, 09:30
So if you can't compare Ward's record hike with Matt because of the years difference in time...... Who's record did Ward beat? Did Ward not have an advantage over that hiker because of technological difference and trail reroutes between the time the time of them hiked? If Matt sets the record will someone after him also have an asterisk by their name since it will undoubtably be easier to hike the AT ten years from now.

Sly
08-06-2013, 09:35
So if you can't compare Ward's record hike with Matt because of the years difference in time...... Who's record did Ward beat? Did Ward not have an advantage over that hiker because of technological difference and trail reroutes between the time the time of them hiked? If Matt sets the record will someone after him also have an asterisk by their name since it will undoubtably be easier to hike the AT ten years from now.

Let's not forget Matt has to hike 30 miles more. While some of the trail may have been steeper in Ward's day, much of it was also on roads.

Sly
08-06-2013, 09:36
So if you can't compare Ward's record hike with Matt because of the years difference in time...... Who's record did Ward beat? Did Ward not have an advantage over that hiker because of technological difference and trail reroutes between the time the time of them hiked? If Matt sets the record will someone after him also have an asterisk by their name since it will undoubtably be easier to hike the AT ten years from now.

Let's not forget Matt has to hike 30 miles more. While some of the trail may have been steeper in Ward's day, much of it was also on roads.

Earl thought the trail got harder from his 1st hike til his last.

Pedaling Fool
08-06-2013, 09:37
In the professional world of sports these things are known, but kind of ignored, at least officially. What can you do, if you start using asterisks for these things everyone will have an asterisk. A good example of this was already mentioned earlier WRT baseball. Kind of why we don't use the decimal point when writing whole numbers; it's always there so why put it there.

Pedaling Fool
08-06-2013, 09:39
Let's not forget Matt has to hike 30 miles more. While some of the trail may have been steeper in Ward's day, much of it was also on roads.

Earl thought the trail got harder from his 1st hike til his last.So what you're saying is that the asterick shouldn't be next to Matt's name, rather it should be next to Ward's name

Just kiddin' lighten up people:D

Sly
08-06-2013, 09:43
So what you're saying is that the asterick shouldn't be next to Matt's name, rather it should be next to Ward's name


LOL... hadn't really thought of that. Call it a wash, and let the quickest time stand.

tdoczi
08-06-2013, 10:57
So if you can't compare Ward's record hike with Matt because of the years difference in time...... Who's record did Ward beat? Did Ward not have an advantage over that hiker because of technological difference and trail reroutes between the time the time of them hiked? If Matt sets the record will someone after him also have an asterisk by their name since it will undoubtably be easier to hike the AT ten years from now.

thats the best part, ward probably didnt beat anyone's record. as far as i can tell he hiked the trail however quickly he hiked and everyone else decided that was the record. they also decided they know what rules he did or did not follow and a whole host of other things they actually dont really know. its not a record, its a legend.

Sly
08-06-2013, 10:59
thats the best part, ward probably didnt beat anyone's record. as far as i can tell he hiked the trail however quickly he hiked and everyone else decided that was the record. they also decided they know what rules he did or did not follow and a whole host of other things they actually dont really know. its not a record, its a legend.

Very well put.

CrumbSnatcher
08-06-2013, 11:33
1973 Springer to Katahdin
Warren Doyle 66 days
i think his dad slacked him up north a little

CrumbSnatcher
08-06-2013, 11:35
Let's not forget Matt has to hike 30 miles more. While some of the trail may have been steeper in Ward's day, much of it was also on roads.

Earl thought the trail got harder from his 1st hike til his last.
the trail probably was a little tougher the 2nd time, he was like 12 years old the first time and 102 the second hike :-)

Seatbelt
08-06-2013, 12:50
Here's my .02 worth; how do we know that somebody else (who never heard of whiteblaze) hasn't already outperformed all these guys? There are lots of people on the trail who don't e-mail, use internet, check in to records, etc. I wouldn't be surprised to find that somebody else has already "beaten" Ward's hike and just never said much about it.....
I have asked dozens of people on my section hikes about whiteblaze.com and nearly every one of them has said "what is that?"

Colter
08-06-2013, 13:06
So if you can't compare Ward's record hike with Matt because of the years difference in time...... Who's record did Ward beat? Did Ward not have an advantage over that hiker because of technological difference and trail reroutes between the time the time of them hiked? If Matt sets the record will someone after him also have an asterisk by their name since it will undoubtably be easier to hike the AT ten years from now.

Good points Malto. There's often no stopping people from believing whatever they want to believe. For example, I can believe that Ward Leonard probably didn't set the record at all if I want. I mean, how well was it documented? (I think he probably did it, just making a point.)

If Matt goes sub-60, it will be on a significantly longer, marginally steeper, trail with a much better documented hike. It will be the unsupported record fair and square in my mind, and, I think, most others interested in the topic.

max patch
08-06-2013, 13:15
1973 Springer to Katahdin
Warren Doyle 66 days
i think his dad slacked him up north a little

At the time the record was 70 days, WD goal was 68, he did it in 66 1/2. His did slacked him about a month, which is pretty significant in the context of a 66 day hike.

max patch
08-06-2013, 13:22
Here's my .02 worth; how do we know that somebody else (who never heard of whiteblaze) hasn't already outperformed all these guys? There are lots of people on the trail who don't e-mail, use internet, check in to records, etc. I wouldn't be surprised to find that somebody else has already "beaten" Ward's hike and just never said much about it.....
I have asked dozens of people on my section hikes about whiteblaze.com and nearly every one of them has said "what is that?"

The probability that someone has hiked the AT in less than 60 days and be unknown approaches zero. WhiteBlaze is not the repository of records.

Seatbelt
08-06-2013, 13:41
The probability that someone has hiked the AT in less than 60 days and be unknown approaches zero. WhiteBlaze is not the repository of records.

No doubt you are right, however the POSSIBILTY is still there. I have met a few of sobos who were cranking out 40 mile days by the time they got to the smokies, didn't ask them when they started, but they could sure smell the finish line, maybe that explains the high miles.

max patch
08-06-2013, 14:02
No one is going to "accidentally" break the record because they are a fast hiker. Any record breaking attempt is going to be planned, and anyone who sets out to do so is going to report it to someone.

Seatbelt
08-06-2013, 14:16
Not trying to argue, but this logic says that 1) everyone who hikes knows about the record(s) and 2) that all unusual hiking incidents/feats are reported to someone--to whom?
I think that I read that Ward had no idea he was setting a record. Just like Swami last year.....just hiking at a fast pace.
You are correct that in this day and age of technology, this is very unlikely, but what about the 1980's or 1990's?

Pedaling Fool
08-06-2013, 14:54
Does Matt wear a HR monitor?

Pedaling Fool
08-06-2013, 15:01
Not trying to argue, but this logic says that 1) everyone who hikes knows about the record(s) and 2) that all unusual hiking incidents/feats are reported to someone--to whom?
I think that I read that Ward had no idea he was setting a record. Just like Swami last year.....just hiking at a fast pace.
You are correct that in this day and age of technology, this is very unlikely, but what about the 1980's or 1990's?Setting a record without knowing it, was more likely when it wasn't really sought after or thought about too much back in the day. But once a record has been established the people that follow and break them make it very difficult to accidently break the records.

I do wonder if speed hiking made it to the "big time" how much would these so-called records would fall?

No one is going to accidently break the one-hour speed record on the bike http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hour_record

RCBear
08-06-2013, 15:06
Does Matt wear a HR monitor?

I'm pretty sure the HR director knows where he is. or at least within a couple of days since his last video. Gosh, i would hate to work for a company that wanted me to wear a device to keep tabs on me away from the office!!

Pedaling Fool
08-06-2013, 15:14
I'm pretty sure the HR director knows where he is. or at least within a couple of days since his last video. Gosh, i would hate to work for a company that wanted me to wear a device to keep tabs on me away from the office!!
HR monitor as in Heart Rate monitor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_rate_monitor

RCBear
08-06-2013, 15:52
HR monitor as in Heart Rate monitor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_rate_monitor

it's always more fun to leave the winky or smiley face off and keep people guessing :)

Pedaling Fool
08-06-2013, 17:34
I knew it, I knew it, I knew it... :datz

Odd Man Out
08-06-2013, 17:37
No doubt you are right, however the POSSIBILTY is still there.

And according to quantum theory, there is a possibility that when standing at Baxter Peak, one of your electrons is located at Springer Mountain, thus making an instantaneous thru-hike, however the probability is low and the uncertainty principle makes it impossible to know for sure. Furthermore, since Matt is hiking solo, as long as he is not observed, he doesn't actually exist at any one location. :D

stranger
08-06-2013, 17:44
So if you can't compare Ward's record hike with Matt because of the years difference in time...... Who's record did Ward beat? Did Ward not have an advantage over that hiker because of technological difference and trail reroutes between the time the time of them hiked? If Matt sets the record will someone after him also have an asterisk by their name since it will undoubtably be easier to hike the AT ten years from now.

I didn't say you can't compare the records, but to not acknowledge the difference is illogical, that's all I'm saying

Sly
08-06-2013, 17:45
And according to quantum theory, there is a possibility that when standing at Baxter Peak, one of your electrons is located at Springer Mountain, thus making an instantaneous thru-hike, however the probability is low and the uncertainty principle makes it impossible to know for sure. Furthermore, since Matt is hiking solo, as long as he is not observed, he doesn't actually exist at any one location. :D

Long trails via light (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-sport_aircraft) or ultralight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultralight_aviation) would be awesome.

stranger
08-06-2013, 17:46
Here's my .02 worth; how do we know that somebody else (who never heard of whiteblaze) hasn't already outperformed all these guys? There are lots of people on the trail who don't e-mail, use internet, check in to records, etc. I wouldn't be surprised to find that somebody else has already "beaten" Ward's hike and just never said much about it.....
I have asked dozens of people on my section hikes about whiteblaze.com and nearly every one of them has said "what is that?"

Ummmm...because we can't talk about things that we don't know about : )

hikerboy57
08-06-2013, 17:47
Ummmm...because we can't talk about things that we don't know about : )
we can still speculate, though:)

Driver8
08-06-2013, 17:47
And according to quantum theory, there is a possibility that when standing at Baxter Peak, one of your electrons is located at Springer Mountain, thus making an instantaneous thru-hike, however the probability is low and the uncertainty principle makes it impossible to know for sure. Furthermore, since Matt is hiking solo, as long as he is not observed, he doesn't actually exist at any one location. :D

Post of the day, I think. :confused: ;)

stranger
08-07-2013, 00:28
we can still speculate, though:)

Clearly...

Captn
08-07-2013, 09:05
And according to quantum theory, there is a possibility that when standing at Baxter Peak, one of your electrons is located at Springer Mountain, thus making an instantaneous thru-hike, however the probability is low and the uncertainty principle makes it impossible to know for sure. Furthermore, since Matt is hiking solo, as long as he is not observed, he doesn't actually exist at any one location. :D

however, it is just as likely that he exists at all locations and in all possible states until he is observed, if I remember my oh so far away college physics .... No guarantees on that however.

RCBear
08-07-2013, 09:25
And according to quantum theory, there is a possibility that when standing at Baxter Peak, one of your electrons is located at Springer Mountain, thus making an instantaneous thru-hike, however the probability is low and the uncertainty principle makes it impossible to know for sure. Furthermore, since Matt is hiking solo, as long as he is not observed, he doesn't actually exist at any one location. :D

Im having coffee on the porch at the same time I am braving 60 mph winds on the Everest summit. Think I will use this quantum theory thing to complete the 7 summit challenge.

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stranger
08-07-2013, 09:25
1973 Springer to Katahdin
Warren Doyle 66 days
i think his dad slacked him up north a little

Van supported hike

tdoczi
08-07-2013, 10:01
Van supported hike

further evidence that the notion of an "unsupported record" is just whining by people who think using support somehow invalidates or lessens the accomplishment.

RCBear
08-07-2013, 10:15
further evidence that the notion of an "unsupported record" is just whining by people who think using support somehow invalidates or lessens the accomplishment.

It changes the accomplishment, however weather it invalidates or lessons it is in the mind of the beholder. No amount of debating or arguing it will change either sides view of it. Certainly not in a forum setting which is highly different than normal roundtable debating. I perceive it as a different accomplishment, but my perception doesn't change the view of it or satisfaction of it from someone who has completed one.

Which pretty much makes my opinion irrelevant.

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RCBear
08-07-2013, 10:16
*whether*

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TOW
08-07-2013, 10:21
further evidence that the notion of an "unsupported record" is just whining by people who think using support somehow invalidates or lessens the accomplishment.

I agree with that, what does it matter whether one is supported or not. If the record is set it does not matter one bit to me how it gets done, That's what I told Matt when I met him and informed him that Jen had it and that he needed to beat that...

max patch
08-07-2013, 10:26
further evidence that the notion of an "unsupported record" is just whining by people who think using support somehow invalidates or lessens the accomplishment.

You obviously don't understand the difference between supported and unsupported to make a statement like that.

stranger
08-07-2013, 10:33
further evidence that the notion of an "unsupported record" is just whining by people who think using support somehow invalidates or lessens the accomplishment.

I was simply stating that Warren's record hike in 73 was vehicle supported...there isn't much out there about that hike, but I happened to read about it a long time ago. Who's invalidating?

The Solemates
08-07-2013, 10:42
whats the skinny on matt?

full conditions
08-07-2013, 10:46
I agree with that, what does it matter whether one is supported or not. If the record is set it does not matter one bit to me how it gets done, That's what I told Matt when I met him and informed him that Jen had it and that he needed to beat that...
No doubt Matt will be devastated to not get the TOW seal of approval on his accomplishment. Just devastated.

Malto
08-07-2013, 10:48
whats the skinny on matt?

I heard he quit because many on whiteblaze said his record wouldn't count. :)

jersey joe
08-07-2013, 11:09
I respect and acknowlege both the supported and unsupported records. I think more people can identify with the unsupported record because it more closely resembles the style of backpacking/thru-hike that we are familiar with and have experience with.

Lone Wolf
08-07-2013, 11:32
he should be done by now

Sly
08-07-2013, 11:36
he should be done by now

I'm thinking sometime tomorrow.

Seatbelt
08-07-2013, 11:37
And according to quantum theory, there is a possibility that when standing at Baxter Peak, one of your electrons is located at Springer Mountain, thus making an instantaneous thru-hike, however the probability is low and the uncertainty principle makes it impossible to know for sure. Furthermore, since Matt is hiking solo, as long as he is not observed, he doesn't actually exist at any one location. :D
This theory also indicates that this post does not exist.....

Sly
08-07-2013, 11:37
he should be done by now

I'm thinking sometime tomorrow. (196 left 4 days ago)

RED-DOG
08-07-2013, 11:40
I'm thinking sometime tomorrow. (perhaps late tonight)

Will he have the RECORD i'm thinking maybe not

max patch
08-07-2013, 11:48
When does he need to finish (day/time) to have the record?

Sly
08-07-2013, 11:51
When does he need to finish (day/time) to have the record?

I don't think it's been divulged or established what day he started but I believe anytime Friday/Saturday.

jeffmeh
08-07-2013, 11:54
I agree in that I think he will finish tomorrow.

As far as the notion that we should not consider both a supported and self-supported record, I think that is nonsense. There are plenty of similar endeavors that are tracked separately. 100m dash vs. 100m hurdles. Long jump vs. broad jump. Open-wheel vs. closed-wheel circuit car racing. Folkstyle vs Freestyle vs Greco-Roman wrestling. 400m freestyle vs. 400m backstroke vs. 400m breaststroke vs. 400m butterfly vs. 400m individual medley swimming.

In a supported through hike, the course hiked is the trail. In a self-supported through hike, the course hiked is the trail plus every resupply route required to complete the trail. Yes, they are both hiking (sprinting, jumping, car racing, wrestling, swimming), but they are different enough to be different "events" with different records.

hikerboy57
08-07-2013, 12:07
maybe every attempt should be handicapped carrying the same weight as in horse racing?

max patch
08-07-2013, 12:32
maybe every attempt should be handicapped carrying the same weight as in horse racing?

Backpacks should be shaped like jockeys to easily identify those who are attempting a record.

HikerMom58
08-07-2013, 12:54
No doubt Matt will be devastated to not get the TOW seal of approval on his accomplishment. Just devastated.

Awww.... that's funny!!

Today might be the day!! :sun I asked "around".....

Snicklefritz
08-07-2013, 14:19
Mountain Crossings FB page:


3 hours ago via mobile

Well, it is officially southbounder season. We had our first one this morning...he has only been on the trail 59 days and is going to finish today! Wowzas.

atmilkman
08-07-2013, 14:35
Backpacks should be shaped like jockeys to easily identify those who are attempting a record.

At least wear the same boots as jockeys.

max patch
08-07-2013, 14:44
Mountain Crossings FB page:


3 hours ago via mobile

Well, it is officially southbounder season. We had our first one this morning...he has only been on the trail 59 days and is going to finish today! Wowzas.

Unless he starts smelling roses it looks like my guess of 61 days is gonna be a bit on the high side.

atmilkman
08-07-2013, 14:50
Mountain Crossings FB page:


3 hours ago via mobile

Well, it is officially southbounder season. We had our first one this morning...he has only been on the trail 59 days and is going to finish today! Wowzas.

JPD was seen at Mountain Crossings at around 5:30am the day she finished her hike around 3:20pm I think it was. If this was him this morning, depending on the time, LW could very well be right and he could be finished now. If not he's within an hour or two.

max patch
08-07-2013, 14:55
He would have been there at 11:00 or earlier.

atmilkman
08-07-2013, 15:03
He would have been there at 11:00 or earlier.

At the least. The FB page just turned to saying 4 hours ago.

jeffmeh
08-07-2013, 15:11
Interesting. I wonder if today is really Day 59, as reported. I thought that it might be Day 58.

HikerMom58
08-07-2013, 15:24
Mountain Crossings FB page:


3 hours ago via mobile

Well, it is officially southbounder season. We had our first one this morning...he has only been on the trail 59 days and is going to finish today! Wowzas.

Yup... that's the word on the trail! Day #59....finishing today.

Seatbelt
08-07-2013, 15:25
If this was him this morning, depending on the time, LW could very well be right and he could be finished now. If not he's within an hour or two.

How many other people could it be?? Max said earlier that the chance was zero, so it would have to be him.

Sly
08-07-2013, 16:22
Interesting. I wonder if today is really Day 59, as reported. I thought that it might be Day 58.

I thought it was day 59, but I also thought it was happening tomorrow.

Anish should be finishing today.

rocketsocks
08-07-2013, 16:27
58.4.........

Sly
08-07-2013, 16:32
He would have been there at 11:00 or earlier.

If you hover on the time of the post on Facebook you get exact time. 9:44am local.

Ground Control
08-07-2013, 16:47
Congratulations, Matt Kirk! :)

jeffmeh
08-07-2013, 16:57
58.4.........


That must be a prediction, yes?

He left at 9:42 am. .4 x 24 hours = 9.6 hours, or 9 hours and 36 minutes, which would be 7:18pm.

It's not 5pm yet

TOW
08-07-2013, 16:58
No doubt Matt will be devastated to not get the TOW seal of approval on his accomplishment. Just devastated.

you are no doubt, it is a great accomplishment none the less....

Rasty
08-07-2013, 17:06
Incredible accomplishment Matt!

Driver8
08-07-2013, 17:12
Has he finished yet? If he passed Neels Gap at 9:30-ish, that would leave him the better part of a day's hike away? Rocketsocks's 58.4 is looking good.

Driver8
08-07-2013, 17:13
Meant to say, better part of a day's hike away at that time. ...

atmilkman
08-07-2013, 17:19
How many other people could it be?? Max said earlier that the chance was zero, so it would have to be him.

(LOL) SOBO'er only been on the trail 59 days was pretty much a dead giveaway. Don't ask me why I used the word if. :)

hikerboy57
08-07-2013, 17:48
Did they ever put the fake plaque at hawk mtn as we had discussed earlier? Otherwise I think he's going to make it. Way to go Matt

Malto
08-07-2013, 17:51
(LOL) SOBO'er only been on the trail 59 days was pretty much a dead giveaway. Don't ask me why I used the word if. :)

Naw, it was me, stealth hike. Was it a record?

Sly
08-07-2013, 17:56
Anyone have the date and time Matt left Katahdin, or is it still a secret?

jeffmeh
08-07-2013, 18:00
Anyone have the date and time Matt left Katahdin, or is it still a secret?

The time was 9:42 am. If today is day 59, the date would have been June 10.

mcstick
08-07-2013, 18:08
This rules! Way to go matt! Really something special.

max patch
08-07-2013, 18:29
If you hover on the time of the post on Facebook you get exact time. 9:44am local.

Cool. I didn't know that.

In the comments section they say that he was there around 8:30.

jimmyjam
08-07-2013, 18:42
Wow. What an amazing accomplishment!

rocketsocks
08-07-2013, 18:43
he'll finish 10-12 days from today
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map man
08-07-2013, 18:55
For the last week or so do you think Matt will have the legs to push steady 40's? I'm thinking he may be able to shave a day off his current pace.

Although I was a doubter at the time, you called this exactly right, Sly, several days ahead of time.

rocketsocks
08-07-2013, 19:05
That must be a prediction, yes?

He left at 9:42 am. .4 x 24 hours = 9.6 hours, or 9 hours and 36 minutes, which would be 7:18pm.

It's not 5pm yet
Y yes...yes it was....

Lumberjack2003
08-07-2013, 19:18
maybe every attempt should be handicapped carrying the same weight as in horse racing?

Backpacks should be shaped like jockeys to easily identify those who are attempting a record.

I just spit out my soda. That was hilarious.

jeffmeh
08-07-2013, 19:19
Although I was a doubter at the time, you called this exactly right, Sly, several days ahead of time.

Well, if he really made 1989.9 on day 54 and finishes today on day 59, the average over the five days is 39.2 miles.

FYI, can't wait to get the final data and push out the charts....

Lone Wolf
08-07-2013, 20:31
Anyone have the date and time Matt left Katahdin, or is it still a secret?

hahahaha :rolleyes:

Lone Wolf
08-07-2013, 20:33
he's headin' north tomorrow to break the real record :cool:

Odd Man Out
08-07-2013, 20:42
he's headin' north tomorrow to break the real record :cool:

He left his car keys in Maine

TOW
08-07-2013, 20:52
he's headin' north tomorrow to break the real record :cool:

wow.......

HikerMom58
08-07-2013, 20:54
he's headin' north tomorrow to break the real record :cool:

He's going to yo- yo for real??? He'll die!!

ChinMusic
08-07-2013, 21:14
He's going to yo- yo for real??? He'll die!!
I wonder if he'll catch me.

Lone Wolf
08-07-2013, 21:17
He's going to yo- yo for real??? He'll die!!
ward didn't. ya gotta be tough!

rocketsocks
08-07-2013, 21:19
Willie Makeit...58.4 days

TD55
08-07-2013, 21:58
Secret start date? What that all about?

full conditions
08-07-2013, 22:06
ward's record will stand
Possibly my favorite line from this entire thread along with: "I know somthin' about this game."

Priceless pearls of wisdom.

Sly
08-07-2013, 22:11
Secret start date? What that all about?

It appears for security sake (think Nature Boy), and in order for Matt to keep any semblance of privacy during his hike (maddening but well-meaning fans), the exact start date, or his real time whereabouts, were not divulged to the public.

Malto
08-07-2013, 22:18
Secret start date? What that all about?

TD,
you must have been hiking and missed all the excitement. You have one hour to go through 34 pages. Pop quiz at the end.

Hint: for security reason it appears that Matt didn't disclose his starting date. He has gone by day 1,2,3 etc. I think the cyber controversy hit about page 15.

tdoczi
08-07-2013, 22:25
You obviously don't understand the difference between supported and unsupported to make a statement like that.
I know what you all think the difference is, I just also know it doesn't matter. the fact that the prior known record to ward's has been cited as being a supported hike just further illuminates this idea.

tdoczi
08-07-2013, 22:27
I respect and acknowlege both the supported and unsupported records. I think more people can identify with the unsupported record because it more closely resembles the style of backpacking/thru-hike that we are familiar with and have experience with.

from what I have seen your average AT thru hiker does not hike consistently in a manner that would satisfy anyone's definition of an "unsupported hike."

rocketsocks
08-07-2013, 22:28
.....whuda ya hear?

tdoczi
08-07-2013, 22:31
As far as the notion that we should not consider both a supported and self-supported record, I think that is nonsense. There are plenty of similar endeavors that are tracked separately. 100m dash vs. 100m hurdles. Long jump vs. broad jump. Open-wheel vs. closed-wheel circuit car racing. Folkstyle vs Freestyle vs Greco-Roman wrestling. 400m freestyle vs. 400m backstroke vs. 400m breaststroke vs. 400m butterfly vs. 400m individual medley swimming.

In a supported through hike, the course hiked is the trail. In a self-supported through hike, the course hiked is the trail plus every resupply route required to complete the trail. Yes, they are both hiking (sprinting, jumping, car racing, wrestling, swimming), but they are different enough to be different "events" with different records.and if a truly unsupported hike of the AT was even a feasible endeavor i'd agree with you, but the definition of support or not is too nebulous a concept. we've agreed on this in the past I believe.

Malto
08-07-2013, 22:34
and if a truly unsupported hike of the AT was even a feasible endeavor i'd agree with you, but the definition of support or not is too nebulous a concept. we've agreed on this in the past I believe.

I think the correct term is alf supported, not unsupported. I even use the term interchangeably on the long trails because its silly to even contemplate a true unsupported record on the long trails as defined by FKT.

Malto
08-07-2013, 22:34
Self supported not alf supported. Rrrrr

Kookork
08-07-2013, 22:39
Congratulations Kirk.What a joy to know about a record braking event from day one and then witnessing it through the eyes of the variety of WhiteBlazers . I experienced American history making in process thanks to Kirk.

MuddyWaters
08-07-2013, 22:40
alf supported.
23206

canoe
08-07-2013, 22:40
Go Matt Go

canoe
08-07-2013, 22:47
Really what all this talk is about is a bunch of old timers and back in the day guys who dont think anyone could accomplish what Ward has done. MAtt is a breath a new life in the hiking world. Go Matt Go. Both are great hikers. Ward had his day now give Matt his do. The only thing in life that is sure ... Change
CHange is about to happen again

Kookork
08-07-2013, 23:09
To me an unsupported record is the wild one, the original one, a tribute to old timers and ancestors . The supported is the modernized version of it. The emphasis on supported record is on the more on the physical challenge compare to unsupported which is mentally pushing through first and body will follow next. Both valid, both accomplishment and both very impressive to set up.

Kirk would be the first one who attempt to break his own record I feel.

Slimer
08-07-2013, 23:24
1. minnesota smith will never finish.
2. Wards record will stand.

priceless.........

stranger
08-08-2013, 00:31
from what I have seen your average AT thru hiker does not hike consistently in a manner that would satisfy anyone's definition of an "unsupported hike."

Correct...but only recently, we have Scott Williamson to thank for that, unsupported used to mean a typical thru-hike without 'organised' support, now you have to walk into trail towns, etc

Driver8
08-08-2013, 01:33
I'm looking for someone to set a NEW record, the Opposed Thru-Hike, where the hiker has to overcome others, randomly scattered along the trail, to seek to tackle, trip, hogtie and otherwise stymie the hiker. That would be the one true record. :rolleyes:

Anyone hear anything from Matt? Did Rocketsocks win our little no-stakes pool, nicking me at the end?

Rasputen
08-08-2013, 06:34
Tweeted by iRunFar: "Dang! Matt Kirk just broke the self-supported Appalachian Trail FKT in 58 days, 9 hours, and 40 minutes!"

tdoczi
08-08-2013, 06:53
Correct...but only recently, we have Scott Williamson to thank for that, unsupported used to mean a typical thru-hike without 'organised' support, now you have to walk into trail towns, etc
nope, even before that. how many thrus go the whole way without getting slack packed or calling for a ride when they get to Waynesboro or Manchester or without a friend or family member meeting them somewhere and helping them? from listening to them talk, and ive listened to plenty, I would say almost none of them. at least not these days.

Malto
08-08-2013, 07:07
Tweeted by iRunFar: "Dang! Matt Kirk just broke the self-supported Appalachian Trail FKT in 58 days, 9 hours, and 40 minutes!"

Congratulations Matt, great accomplishment.

fiddlehead
08-08-2013, 07:20
Congratulations Matt!
The record stood for a long time for a reason.

So, yes, ditto Malto's "Great Accomplishment" !!!

Just Bill
08-08-2013, 07:43
I'm sure he has it, just waiting to see something...nothing on Matt's blog, his wife's, YouTube, etc. I don't know the running community enough to say one way or the other- so honest question, Is Rasputen a buddy of Matt's who would know for sure? Hopefully Thrower (Matt's friend from before) or someone will jump on at some point too. Not to be Debbie Downer just waiting to hear for sure...hopefully today. Go Matt!

k2basecamp
08-08-2013, 07:54
Well, I'm kinda surprised you werent the first to know Just Bill. After watching this thread for weeks. You'd think you were his best friend and crew chief. See the irunfar tweet.

Just Bill
08-08-2013, 08:02
Yar... Glad I stopped by.

rocketsocks
08-08-2013, 08:14
58.4.........


That must be a prediction, yes?

He left at 9:42 am. .4 x 24 hours = 9.6 hours, or 9 hours and 36 minutes, which would be 7:18pm.

It's not 5pm yet


Tweeted by iRunFar: "Dang! Matt Kirk just broke the self-supported Appalachian Trail FKT in 58 days, 9 hours, and 40 minutes!"

pretty gal darn close...eh?

o'coarse it ain't official till Matt chimes in.....

rocketsocks
08-08-2013, 08:15
58.4.........


That must be a prediction, yes?

He left at 9:42 am. .4 x 24 hours = 9.6 hours, or 9 hours and 36 minutes, which would be 7:18pm.

It's not 5pm yet


Thanks JJJ and those who chimed in on this thread. I held off on my reply until I was 100% certain my attempt was going to happen...

It looks like it will and this may be one of my last opportunities to get to a computer. With respect to the other hikers who posted their intentions on this forum beforehand, here's mine: http://sub60.wikispaces.com

I will report back on this forum once off the trail one way or another. Until then, happy trails!

-Matt


Soon enough we'll know for sure....

rocketsocks
08-08-2013, 08:21
Well, I'm kinda surprised you werent the first to know Just Bill. After watching this thread for weeks. You'd think you were his best friend and crew chief. See the irunfar tweet.

The guy did a great job of keeping those interested...interested...including you!

http://24.media.tumblr.com/94c32ebe934087f0ccc8a2e7d926ddb8/tumblr_mkdnixo2fA1s9zd94o1_500.gif

Malto
08-08-2013, 08:29
The guy did a great job of keeping those interested...interested...including you!

http://24.media.tumblr.com/94c32ebe934087f0ccc8a2e7d926ddb8/tumblr_mkdnixo2fA1s9zd94o1_500.gif

You need to change your screen name based on that picture. The rocket part is right! :)

rocketsocks
08-08-2013, 08:32
You need to change your screen name based on that picture. The rocket part is right! :)

turbo butt
wind assisted
rocketarse

HikerMom58
08-08-2013, 08:44
pretty gal darn close...eh?

o'coarse it ain't official till Matt chimes in.....

Will Matt chime in???? I don't know how this whole thing works?? Does someone make the whole thing "official"... somewhere?? #grasshopperhikermom

HikerMom58
08-08-2013, 08:45
Congratulations Matt, great accomplishment.

Maybe Malto is the "official person" to recognize Matt?? ;) Heyyyyy!!!

Just Bill
08-08-2013, 08:52
If he's not horribly offended by the posts on this site- Matt will likely stop in here, probably not right away. When someone in his camp (him, wife, MadA (the one posting the videos)) posts someplace I'd personally call it official. At some point Matt will send his info to Peter Bakwin over at Fastest Known Time. Once it hits that site that's as close to official as it gets. The ATC doesn't recognize the records, they don't officially exist. FKT is a public forum for people to post their Personal Best times, it is generally agreed at that point that the "best" time is the record. It's really just a community record- JPD made the news, but even her record falls under the same category- just a personal best that we all agree is the best. We all know cell service is bad the last few hundred miles of the trail, so most likely until Matt gets back to wherever/whomever he's staying with in the area will be the first opportunity to post something. If I were him though I'd take a few days...

hikerboy57
08-08-2013, 08:55
why should he be offended? he knew he was doing it wrong when he started:).

congrats,matt.great job!

max patch
08-08-2013, 08:55
Can't even get close to Springer this morning with all the ESPN trucks up there.

hikerboy57
08-08-2013, 08:56
have the drug tests come back yet?

Just Bill
08-08-2013, 09:00
Rasputen's tweet could be construed as reposting the info from this site- due to the eerily similar time reported... as mentioned, don't know the guy, for all I know it's Matt's best friend and the tweet is a good one...either way- I hope all is well and Matt is celebrating- can't wait to join in the fun. Sorry to go from rabid cheerleader to voice of reason- just waiting to hear from the man, or waiting for someone to tell me Rasputen is the man. Time to go to work- happy posting.

Odd Man Out
08-08-2013, 09:02
There are updates being posted now on his YouTube Page.

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=atsub60



Day
Destination
Total Miles
Daily Miles
Mean MPD
Miles To Go


54
7.7 mi N of US 441, NC
1986.8
40.0
36.8
199.1


55
Cable Gap Shelter, NC
2026.7
39.9
36.8
159.2


56
Cold Spring Shelter, NC
2060.3
33.6
36.8
125.6


57
Standing Indian Shelter, NC
2099.6
39.3
36.8
86.3


58
Blue Mountain Shelter Spring, NC (+night hike)
2135.5
35.9
36.8
50.4

Rasputen
08-08-2013, 09:40
I don't know Matt but do enjoy his trail accomplishments. This is the link from the iRunFar site that I visit daily and promted my previous post regarding his record breaking FKT. Huge effort Matt. Congrats..

https://twitter.com/iRunFar (https://twitter.com/iRunFar)

jersey joe
08-08-2013, 09:42
Congrats Matt!!! What an awesome accomplishment.

Odd Man Out
08-08-2013, 09:46
If we assume the Mountain Crossings post and finishing time already posted are accurate, my final spreadsheet looks like this:



Day
Destination
Total Miles
Daily Miles
Mean MPD
Miles To Go
MPD Needed
Linear Target
Off Linear Target
Map Man MPD
MM Target
Off MM Target
Just Bill MPD
Just Bill Target
Off Just Bill Target
Date


0
Baxter Peak



2185.9
36.4



0


0




1
Wadleigh Stream Lean-to?, ME
38.2
38.2
38.2
2147.7
36.4
36.4
1.8
39.3
39.3
-1.1
33.5
33.5
4.7
10-Jun


2
Logan Brook Lean-to, ME
71.4
33.2
35.7
2114.5
36.5
72.9
-1.5
39.3
78.5
-7.1
33.5
67.0
4.4
11-Jun


3
Leeman Brook Lean-to, ME
111.5
40.1
37.2
2074.4
36.4
109.3
2.2
39.3
117.8
-6.3
33.5
100.5
11.0
12-Jun


4
Caratunk, ME
151.2
39.7
37.8
2034.7
36.3
145.7
5.5
30.1
147.9
3.3
33.5
134.0
17.2
13-Jun


5
Horn's Pond Lean-to, ME
183.1
31.9
36.6
2002.8
36.4
182.2
0.9
30.1
178.0
5.1
33.5
167.5
15.6
14-Jun


6
Piazza Rock Lean-to, ME
218.6
35.5
36.4
1967.3
36.4
218.6
0.0
30.1
208.1
10.6
28.5
196.0
22.6
15-Jun


7
Frye Notch Lean-to?, ME
261.4
42.8
37.3
1924.5
36.3
255.0
6.4
30.1
238.1
23.3
28.5
224.5
36.9
16-Jun


8
Gorham, NH
298.3
36.9
37.3
1887.6
36.3
291.5
6.8
30.1
268.2
30.1
28.5
253.0
45.3
17-Jun


9
Osgood Capsite, NH
325.2
26.9
36.1
1860.7
36.5
327.9
-2.7
30.1
298.3
26.9
28.5
281.5
43.7
18-Jun


10
Zealand Falls Hut, NH
353.1
27.9
35.3
1832.8
36.7
364.3
-11.2
33.5
331.8
21.3
26.0
307.5
45.6
19-Jun


11
Lonesome Lake Hut, NH
376.0
22.9
34.2
1809.9
36.9
400.7
-24.7
33.5
365.4
10.6
26.0
333.5
42.5
20-Jun


12
0.7 mi S of NH 25A, NH
409.3
33.3
34.1
1776.6
37.0
437.2
-27.9
33.5
398.9
10.4
26.0
359.5
49.8
21-Jun


13
Norwich, VT
443.7
34.4
34.1
1742.2
37.1
473.6
-29.9
28.9
427.8
15.9
26.0
385.5
58.2
22-Jun


14
2.3 mi N of Stony Brook Shelter, VT
476.0
32.3
34.0
1709.9
37.2
510.0
-34.0
34.2
462.0
14.0
35.4
420.9
55.1
23-Jun


15
2.0 mi N of VT 140, VT
510.0
34.0
34.0
1675.9
37.2
546.5
-36.5
39.5
501.5
8.5
35.4
456.3
53.7
24-Jun


16
2.8mi N of Stratton Pond, VT
546.0
36.0
34.1
1639.9
37.3
582.9
-36.9
39.5
541.0
5.0
35.4
491.7
54.3
25-Jun


17
Congdon Shelter, VT
582.5
36.5
34.3
1603.4
37.3
619.3
-36.8
39.5
580.6
1.9
35.4
527.1
55.4
26-Jun


18
Dalton, MA
620.1
37.6
34.5
1565.8
37.3
655.8
-35.7
39.5
620.1
0.0
35.4
562.5
57.6
27-Jun


19
Mount Wilcox South Lean-to, MA
656.5
36.4
34.6
1529.4
37.3
692.2
-35.7
41.2
661.3
-4.8
35.4
597.9
58.6
28-Jun


20
3.5 mi N of US 7, CT
696.3
39.8
34.8
1489.6
37.2
728.6
-32.3
41.2
702.4
-6.1
35.4
633.3
63.0
29-Jun


21
0.7 mi S of NY-CT border, NY
735.2
38.9
35.0
1450.7
37.2
765.1
-29.9
39.9
742.3
-7.1
35.4
668.7
66.5
30-Jun


22
8.2 mi N of US 9, NY
772.5
37.3
35.1
1413.4
37.2
801.5
-29.0
38.6
780.9
-8.4
35.4
704.1
68.4
1-Jul


23
2.2 mi S of NY 17, NY
808.5
36.0
35.2
1377.4
37.2
837.9
-29.4
38.6
819.4
-10.9
39.0
743.1
65.4
2-Jul


24
Murray Property, NJ
846.8
38.3
35.3
1339.1
37.2
874.4
-27.6
38.6
858.0
-11.2
39.0
782.1
64.7
3-Jul


25
1.1 mi N of Camp Road, NJ
885.0
38.2
35.4
1300.9
37.2
910.8
-25.8
38.6
896.6
-11.6
39.0
821.1
63.9
4-Jul


26
9.8 mi S of PA 33, PA
922.0
37.0
35.5
1263.9
37.2
947.2
-25.2
36.7
933.3
-11.3
39.0
860.1
61.9
5-Jul


27
12.9 mi N of Port Clinton, PA
960.0
38.0
35.6
1225.9
37.1
983.7
-23.7
36.7
970.0
-9.9
39.0
899.1
60.9
6-Jul


28
4.1 mi S of PA 501, PA
1000.7
40.7
35.7
1185.2
37.0
1020.1
-19.4
36.7
1006.6
-5.9
42.6
941.7
59.0
7-Jul


29
The Doyle, Duncannon, PA
1043.3
42.6
36.0
1142.6
36.9
1056.5
-13.2
36.7
1043.3
0.0
42.6
984.3
59.0
8-Jul


30
0.7 mi N of PA 94, PA
1077.1
33.8
35.9
1108.8
37.0
1093.0
-15.9
36.1
1079.4
-2.2
42.6
1026.9
50.2
9-Jul


31
Tumbling Run Shelters, PA
1117.7
40.6
36.1
1068.2
36.8
1129.4
-11.7
36.1
1115.4
2.3
42.6
1069.5
48.2
10-Jul


32
3 mi S of US alt 40, MD
1152.5
34.8
36.0
1033.4
36.9
1165.8
-13.3
36.1
1151.5
1.1
42.6
1112.1
40.4
11-Jul


33
Bear's Den Hostel, VA
1187.2
34.7
36.0
998.7
37.0
1202.2
-15.0
36.1
1187.5
-0.3
42.6
1154.7
32.5
12-Jul


34
Tom Floyd Wayside, VA
1223.7
36.5
36.0
962.2
37.0
1238.7
-15.0
37.7
1225.2
-1.5
42.6
1197.3
26.4
13-Jul


35
1.2 mi N or Big Meadows Wayside, VA
1265.8
42.1
36.2
920.1
36.8
1275.1
-9.3
37.7
1262.8
3.0
42.0
1239.3
26.5
14-Jul


36
Blackrock Hut, VA
1307.9
42.1
36.3
878.0
36.6
1311.5
-3.6
37.7
1300.5
7.4
42.0
1281.3
26.6
15-Jul


37
0.3 mi S of VA 664, VA
1348.0
40.1
36.4
837.9
36.4
1348.0
0.0
40.5
1341.0
7.0
42.0
1323.3
24.7
16-Jul


38
6.2 mi S of US 60, VA
1390.0
42.0
36.6
795.9
36.2
1384.4
5.6
40.5
1381.5
8.6
42.0
1365.3
24.7
17-Jul


39
1.5 mi N of Cornelius Creek Shelter, VA
1424.0
34.0
36.5
761.9
36.3
1420.8
3.2
40.5
1421.9
2.1
42.0
1407.3
16.7
18-Jul


40
Daleville, VA
1462.4
38.4
36.6
723.5
36.2
1457.3
5.1
40.5
1462.4
0.0
42.0
1449.3
13.1
19-Jul


41
VA 620, VA
1496.0
33.6
36.5
689.9
36.3
1493.7
2.3
34.4
1496.8
-0.8
42.0
1491.3
4.7
20-Jul


42
4.6 mi S of VA 635, VA
1538.0
42.0
36.6
647.9
36.0
1530.1
7.9
34.4
1531.1
6.9
42.0
1533.3
4.7
21-Jul


43
7.7 mi N of VA 606, VA
1572.7
34.7
36.6
613.2
36.1
1566.6
6.1
34.4
1565.5
7.2
42.0
1575.3
-2.6
22-Jul


44
7.8 mi S of VA 615, VA
1613.7
41.0
36.7
572.2
35.8
1603.0
10.7
38.4
1603.9
9.8
42.0
1617.3
-3.6
23-Jul


45
Chatfield Shelter, VA
1648.2
34.5
36.6
537.7
35.8
1639.4
8.8
38.4
1642.3
6.0
42.0
1659.3
-11.1
24-Jul


46
Wise Shelter, VA
1685.9
37.7
36.7
500.0
35.7
1675.9
10.0
38.4
1680.6
5.3
42.0
1701.3
-15.4
25-Jul


47
Damascus, VA
1719.0
33.1
36.6
466.9
35.9
1712.3
6.7
38.4
1719.0
0.0
42.0
1743.3
-24.3
26-Jul


48
Watauga Lake Shelter, TN?
1759.1
40.1
36.6
426.8
35.6
1748.7
10.4
50.4
1769.4
-10.3
39.9
1783.2
-24.1
27-Jul


49
1.1 mi S of US19E, TN
1794.9
35.8
36.6
391.0
35.5
1785.2
9.7
37.3
1806.7
-11.7
39.9
1823.1
-28.2
28-Jul


50
8.4 mi S of NC 226, NC
1832.2
37.3
36.6
353.7
35.4
1821.6
10.6
37.3
1843.9
-11.7
39.9
1863.0
-30.8
29-Jul


51
Hogback Ridge Shelter, NC
1870.9
38.7
36.7
315.0
35.0
1858.0
12.9
34.1
1878.0
-7.0
39.9
1902.9
-32.0
30-Jul


52
Hot Springs, NC
1912.0
41.1
36.8
273.9
34.2
1894.4
17.6
34.1
1912.0
0.0
39.9
1942.8
-30.8
31-Jul


53
0.9 mi S of I40, TN
1946.8
34.8
36.7
239.1
34.2
1930.9
15.9
33.9
1945.9
0.9
39.9
1982.7
-35.9
1-Aug


54
7.7 mi N of US 441, NC
1986.8
40.0
36.8
199.1
33.2
1967.3
19.5
34.3
1980.2
6.6
39.9
2022.6
-35.8
2-Aug


55
Cable Gap Shelter, NC
2026.7
39.9
36.8
159.2
31.8
2003.7
23.0
34.3
2014.5
12.2
39.9
2062.5
-35.8
3-Aug


56
Cold Spring Shelter, NC
2060.3
33.6
36.8
125.6
31.4
2040.2
20.1
34.3
2048.8
11.5
38.3
2100.8
-40.5
4-Aug


57
Standing Indian Shelter, NC
2099.6
39.3
36.8
86.3
28.8
2076.6
23.0
35.1
2083.9
15.7
38.3
2139.1
-39.5
5-Aug


58
US 19, GA after night hike
2154.2
54.6
37.1
31.7
15.9
2113.0
41.2
35.1
2119.1
35.1
38.3
2177.4
-23.2
6-Aug


58.4
Springer Mountain, GA
2185.9
31.7
37.4
0.0
0.0
2127.6
58.3
14.1

2133.1
31.7
15.3
2192.7
-6.8
7-Aug

mcstick
08-08-2013, 09:49
Just incredible. What a feat.

Mags
08-08-2013, 10:10
Pretty amazing week for endurance records. Congrats to all.

Odd Man Out
08-08-2013, 10:13
Or if you would rather have it as an image:

23218

max patch
08-08-2013, 10:19
1. minnesota smith will never finish.
2. Wards record will stand.

priceless.........

No...he said Mr Smith had a 1 in 25 chance. Given what we knew about Mr Smith at the time that was a pretty good assessment. Mr Smith surprised us all; good for him.

Marta
08-08-2013, 10:20
Jennifer Pharr Davis just posted some pictures from the finish on her FB page. "Just under 58.5 days" is how she lists the finish time.

Congratulations, Matt!

ChinMusic
08-08-2013, 10:31
I think if JPD posts it the info is solid.

atmilkman
08-08-2013, 10:34
Jennifer Pharr Davis just posted some pictures from the finish on her FB page. "Just under 58.5 days" is how she lists the finish time.

Congratulations, Matt!

I'd say that's a pretty reliable source. Congrats Kirk.

jersey joe
08-08-2013, 10:34
From Matt's site: http://sub60.wikispaces.com/


CONGRATS MATT!!! Matt is off the trail after finishing on the summit of Springer Mountain on Wednesday, August 7th @ 7:20 pm!

Sly
08-08-2013, 10:38
Warren Doyle (https://www.facebook.com/warrendance) Ending a beautiful, healthy 58.5 day relationship with the trail. Joining a select few who know. This, to me. is the true warrior hike of 2013.

Not sure what to say, other than by reading all his comments, it looks like Warren has a man crush.

http://tinyurl.com/n2q7f8n

max patch
08-08-2013, 10:41
Doyle's an azz. No reason to use Matts accomplishment as an excuse to take yet another attack on the military.

DandT40
08-08-2013, 10:47
Congrats to Matt!! What an amazing accomplishment!!

Sly
08-08-2013, 10:47
Doyle's an azz. No reason to use Matts accomplishment as an excuse to take yet another attack on the military.

I''d like to think Matt would agree. I suppose if Warren stays controversial he stays relevant.

jeffmeh
08-08-2013, 11:01
This still needs to confirmed by Matt (hence the ? in the title), but here are the charts assuming the data is correct. First, the comparison to target predictions and AT average pace (per Map Man). As expected, the trail is the trail, and his speed profile is quite proportional to the AT average. The second chart removes some of the target lines and changes the scale to zoom in.

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TOW
08-08-2013, 11:57
1. minnesota smith will never finish.
2. Wards record will stand.

priceless.........exactly.....

Lone Wolf
08-08-2013, 12:19
1. minnesota smith will never finish.
2. Wards record will stand.

priceless.........

who said that? Ward's NOBO unsupportrd record stands

jeffmeh
08-08-2013, 12:38
who said that? Ward's NOBO unsupportrd record stands

I agree. His accomplishment will never be diminished by what comes after.

Also, it is impossible to fairly compare achievements of different eras (although I still think Russell was better than Lebron :p).

mcstick
08-08-2013, 12:39
who said that? Ward's NOBO unsupportrd record stands

You're trying to lawyer yourself out of your earlier comment. Give the guy some credit for christsake instead of giving nothing but snark.

max patch
08-08-2013, 12:47
Also, it is impossible to fairly compare achievements of different eras (although I still think Russell was better than Lebron :p).

And Larry Bird was better than all of em.

canoe
08-08-2013, 12:56
Way to go Matt. Congrats. Awsome ....simply awsome

jeffmeh
08-08-2013, 12:56
In all seriousness, congrats to Matt for an outstanding achievement. Matt, if you want a copy of the chart, just let me know. Also, if you want me to change any of the form (text, formats, scale, etc.), I would be happy to do so.

HikerMom58
08-08-2013, 12:58
I'd say that's a pretty reliable source. Congrats Kirk.


WAY TO GO........ MATT KIRK!! WHITEBLAZE RECOGNIZES YOU NOW!! :sun

Was that a good one ATM?? ;)

HikerMom58
08-08-2013, 12:59
ONE MORE TRY.... WOOOO HOOOOO!!

That's for WOO! :)

tdoczi
08-08-2013, 13:10
You're trying to lawyer yourself out of your earlier comment. Give the guy some credit for christsake instead of giving nothing but snark.


if you do some digging i am pretty sure you will find nearly this exact quote from LW- "if you want to beat ward's record the way to go is SOBO" the exact quote may only say "the record" but the context clearly establishes what he was talking about. if i was bored enough to do so currently i'd do it myself. the place to start would be thread about galilee man from summer 2010

some people will just always find a way to claim that ward is still the record holder, no matter what else ever happens.

Odd Man Out
08-08-2013, 13:15
The German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer said "To truth only a brief celebration of victory is allowed between the two long periods during which it is condemned as paradoxical, or disparaged as trivial."

I suppose we could paraphrase and say that thru hiking records are first dismissed as impossible, then a celebrated victory, and once broken, dismissed as trivial.

We've been through phase one and are now in phase two. Phase three has been discussed at length.

Congratulations Matt!

rocketsocks
08-08-2013, 13:15
if you do some digging i am pretty sure you will find nearly this exact quote from LW- "if you want to beat ward's record the way to go is SOBO" the exact quote may only say "the record" but the context clearly establishes what he was talking about. if i was bored enough to do so currently i'd do it myself. the place to start would be thread about galilee man from summer 2010

some people will just always find a way to claim that ward is still the record holder, no matter what else ever happens.
Oh my gosh...the crazy som B**** did it. I can't believe it, I've always heard it was possible...my teachers always said it couldn't be done...Einstein tried it once, said it almost killed him....But you have actually figured out a way to add apple and oranges....Bravo!




Asterisks * have there place...no need to belabor the point. They help us define, further categorize...nothin wrong with that....it's what we humans do, a place for everything and everything in it's place.

rocketsocks
08-08-2013, 13:18
Great job Matt, many here were pullin for ya!

Here's a Gene Gene for ya, on a job well done!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACpNVD5GMUw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACpNVD5GMUw

JustaTouron
08-08-2013, 13:18
And Larry Bird was better than all of em.


I am a Celtics fan, but it is pretty obvious that Micheal Jordan was the greatest basketball player of any era.

treesloth
08-08-2013, 13:24
if you do some digging i am pretty sure you will find nearly this exact quote from LW- "if you want to beat ward's record the way to go is SOBO" the exact quote may only say "the record" but the context clearly establishes what he was talking about. if i was bored enough to do so currently i'd do it myself. the place to start would be thread about galilee man from summer 2010

some people will just always find a way to claim that ward is still the record holder, no matter what else ever happens.

So, for a "NOBO record attempt" (which sounds downright silly at this point) would the challenger be able to skip 30 miles of the route, just to make it complicit with what Ward had to walk? I know the answer, but I'm rhetorically asking regardless. To most of us here, it seems, the AT unsupported speed record has been officially broken (regardless of direction, or era, e.g. Spitz-Phelps).

Rasty
08-08-2013, 13:32
You're trying to lawyer yourself out of your earlier comment. Give the guy some credit for christsake instead of giving nothing but snark.


if you do some digging i am pretty sure you will find nearly this exact quote from LW- "if you want to beat ward's record the way to go is SOBO" the exact quote may only say "the record" but the context clearly establishes what he was talking about. if i was bored enough to do so currently i'd do it myself. the place to start would be thread about galilee man from summer 2010

some people will just always find a way to claim that ward is still the record holder, no matter what else ever happens.

I bumped it for you. :D

rocketsocks
08-08-2013, 13:33
I am a Celtics fan, but it is pretty obvious that Micheal Jordan was the greatest basketball player of any era.Nobody pumped it from the top of the key like Jordan......nobody!

Toli
08-08-2013, 13:35
Great job Matt, many here were pullin for ya!

Here's a Gene Gene for ya, on a job well done!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACpNVD5GMUw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACpNVD5GMUw
+ 1 on that brother... Man, I wish some day I get a "Gene, Gene Dancing Machine" :)...

Rasty
08-08-2013, 13:35
if you do some digging i am pretty sure you will find nearly this exact quote from LW- "if you want to beat ward's record the way to go is SOBO" the exact quote may only say "the record" but the context clearly establishes what he was talking about. if i was bored enough to do so currently i'd do it myself. the place to start would be thread about galilee man from summer 2010

some people will just always find a way to claim that ward is still the record holder, no matter what else ever happens.

So, for a "NOBO record attempt" (which sounds downright silly at this point) would the challenger be able to skip 30 miles of the route, just to make it complicit with what Ward had to walk? I know the answer, but I'm rhetorically asking regardless. To most of us here, it seems, the AT unsupported speed record has been officially broken (regardless of direction, or era, e.g. Spitz-Phelps).

It is a new record in any rationale mind. Two days less time to walk 30 extra miles take any asterisk bs away. Two great accomplishments but only one record holder for unassisted.

rocketsocks
08-08-2013, 13:36
I bumped it for you. :D
23226priceless, timing is everything in this business.

mcstick
08-08-2013, 13:38
I am a Celtics fan, but it is pretty obvious that Micheal Jordan was the greatest basketball player of any era.

I'm a Bulls fan and owner of 12 game package of tickets for the past 15 years or so, and I am preparing myself for the possibility that LeBron may take the belt away from my childhood hero in the next decade or so.

As we've just seen, its inevitable. Greatest of All Time is a temporary title.

rocketsocks
08-08-2013, 13:42
+ 1 on that brother... Man, I wish some day I get a "Gene, Gene Dancing Machine" :)...Ah Man...I left ya a little present...but ya gotta find it.

23229says...I here music let me in.

TD55
08-08-2013, 13:45
Like all record debates and debates about "BEST" anything, this one will go on forever. It's a good thing. Every time these discussions are discussed it brings recognition and respect for people who accomplish amazing things.

max patch
08-08-2013, 13:45
To most of us here, it seems, the AT unsupported speed record has been officially broken (regardless of direction, or era, e.g. Spitz-Phelps).


Thats true. But the record book will also show the SOBO record and NOBO record and that fact takes nothing away from Matt.

It like baseball. The record book shows Barry Bonds as the career homerun leader. It also shows Bonds as the career NL homerun leader and Babe Ruth as the carrer AL homerun leader.

rocketsocks
08-08-2013, 13:51
It is a new record in any rationale mind. Two days less time to walk 30 extra miles take any asterisk bs away. Two great accomplishments but only one record holder for unassisted.


Don't hate the player, hate the game, until a governing body exists...there will always be The *


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HikerMom58
08-08-2013, 14:07
If he's not horribly offended by the posts on this site- Matt will likely stop in here, probably not right away. When someone in his camp (him, wife, MadA (the one posting the videos)) posts someplace I'd personally call it official. At some point Matt will send his info to Peter Bakwin over at Fastest Known Time. Once it hits that site that's as close to official as it gets. The ATC doesn't recognize the records, they don't officially exist. FKT is a public forum for people to post their Personal Best times, it is generally agreed at that point that the "best" time is the record. It's really just a community record- JPD made the news, but even her record falls under the same category- just a personal best that we all agree is the best. We all know cell service is bad the last few hundred miles of the trail, so most likely until Matt gets back to wherever/whomever he's staying with in the area will be the first opportunity to post something. If I were him though I'd take a few days...

Ok sooo... does anyone other than "peers" or this FKT public forum get to make up the rules on whether a person has to go SOBO or NOBO to break a personal best time for hiking the entire AT??

Sly
08-08-2013, 14:11
I am a Celtics fan, but it is pretty obvious that Micheal Jordan was the greatest basketball player of any era.

Bill Russell was the GOAT. 11 championships in 13 seasons.

tdoczi
08-08-2013, 14:14
Oh my gosh...the crazy som B**** did it. I can't believe it, I've always heard it was possible...my teachers always said it couldn't be done...Einstein tried it once, said it almost killed him....But you have actually figured out a way to add apple and oranges....Bravo!




Asterisks * have there place...no need to belabor the point. They help us define, further categorize...nothin wrong with that....it's what we humans do, a place for everything and everything in it's place.

its not about asterisks or different records or anything else. its about someone taking two opposing view points depending on which one suits them at the moment.

tdoczi
08-08-2013, 14:16
So, for a "NOBO record attempt" (which sounds downright silly at this point) would the challenger be able to skip 30 miles of the route, just to make it complicit with what Ward had to walk? I know the answer, but I'm rhetorically asking regardless. To most of us here, it seems, the AT unsupported speed record has been officially broken (regardless of direction, or era, e.g. Spitz-Phelps).
technically id guess youd have to walk the EXACT same trail ward did, even though its no logner the official route, otherwise its just NOT the same!

max patch
08-08-2013, 14:24
Nobody pumped it from the top of the key like Jordan......nobody!

Especially when you push off first...

http://xfinity.comcast.net/slideshow/sports-worstcalls/14/

HikerMom58
08-08-2013, 14:25
technically id guess youd have to walk the EXACT same trail ward did, even though its no logner the official route, otherwise its just NOT the same!

All this arguing seems silly b/c there aren't any hard fast rules from what I can tell....anyone can impose all kinds of "rules."

This is stupid!! If someone wants to hold a "record", in the hiking world, they need to do it for themselves, only.

It sounds like a crap shoot whether or not you will be recognized by anyone else officially.

max patch
08-08-2013, 14:26
I am a Celtics fan, but it is pretty obvious that Micheal Jordan was the greatest basketball player of any era.

People forget that an exciting slam dunk is worth the same 2 points as a boring 17 foot jump shot.

tdoczi
08-08-2013, 14:29
All this arguing seems silly b/c there aren't any hard fast rules from what I can tell....anyone can impose all kinds of "rules."

This is stupid!! If someone wants to hold a "record", in the hiking world, they need to do it for themselves, only.

It sounds like a crap shoot whether or not you will be recognized by anyone else officially.
aside from perhaps a simple "fastest complete hike of the trail" i agree wholeheartedly.

hikerboy57
08-08-2013, 14:30
People forget that an exciting slam dunk is worth the same 2 points as a boring 17 foot jump shot.
actually what they forget is the boring 17 ft jump shot. what they remember is the exciting slam dunk. 2pts or not, its entertainment.

Sly
08-08-2013, 14:30
So whoever it is still holds the nobo supported record? I doubt they'd claim that. No one here has the right or authority to make that ruling. Congrats Matt!

hikerboy57
08-08-2013, 14:31
aside from perhaps a simple "fastest complete hike of the trail" i agree wholeheartedly.
are you talking supported or unsupported?:)