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Blue Mountain Edward
02-11-2013, 21:31
Anyone try it? It would be way cheaper than denatured alcohol or methanol and easy to find. A gallon or 2 would be good for power failures and last a long time.

slow mind
02-11-2013, 21:33
I put Coleman fuel in a beer can stove once..... once.

Rasty
02-11-2013, 21:52
Anyone try it? It would be way cheaper than denatured alcohol or methanol and easy to find. A gallon or 2 would be good for power failures and last a long time.

Very bad idea.

RF_ace
02-11-2013, 22:22
yeah, not a good idea, it is roughly 100 octane fuel. It maybe alcohol, but not the type you need

moytoy
02-11-2013, 22:29
Pure ethanol is way above 100 octane. It's not the octane you need fear. It's the 15 % gasoline that may explode.

swjohnsey
02-11-2013, 22:34
Put 8.5 ounces of alchohol and 1.5 ounces of gasoline in a container and find out. My guess is that you won't see much difference between it and staight alcohol which has an octane rating of about 130 if I remember correctly.

VT-Mike
02-11-2013, 22:45
from my memory as a youngin' liquid gasoline burns and gasoline vapors exploded....

RF_ace
02-11-2013, 22:53
Um yeah, "roughly"= round about answer, depending on which wiki page,source of the fuel, also how much h20 it has absorbed.

swjohnsey
02-11-2013, 23:35
I'll try it tomorrow and report back . . . if I can.

slow mind
02-11-2013, 23:50
Coleman fuel worked OK in the beer can stove there was just alot of extra fire. Plenty of extra fire, enough to cover part of the table, half of the bench and a good portion of the surrounding ground. Not really ideal for LNT.

Feral Bill
02-12-2013, 00:46
IIRC E85 is 85% gasoline. Bad idea.

chatterbound
02-12-2013, 01:08
Thee alcohol stove is good for a weekend trip. The home made stoves have one issue "wind"

Blue Mountain Edward
02-12-2013, 01:19
E85 is 85 percent alcohol,15 pecent gasoline. Maybe if it watered down it would burn slow and not kaboom and catch my head on fire!

moytoy
02-12-2013, 03:49
IIRC E85 is 85% gasoline. Bad idea.
You have it backwards. e85 is 85% ethanol. Some alcohol stoves may be able to burn e85. But my alky stove uses a slight pressurization and thus would probably explode if any gasoline were introduced in the mixture.

4Bears
02-12-2013, 09:14
I had asked this question some time back, and one item that came back was the potential for a sooty burn because of the additives. I have not yet tried using E85. Might need an increase in testosterone before attempting at this end.

tds1195
02-12-2013, 09:32
I'll try it tomorrow and report back . . . if I can.

Make sure to take a video and post it here! ;)

JAK
02-12-2013, 09:33
Maybe in a situation where it was your only option it might be worthwhile knowing how to use it safely. I would avoid pressurized or self-pressurized applications, and never use more than 1/2 oz of fuel at a time. A tealight stove maybe, but I think it might burn too fast to be practical. Not sure. My main concern would be carrying and spilling the stuff. I stick with wood, wax, fat, vegetable oil, and alcohol. Of those wax, fat, and vegetable oil are potentially the most dangerous because they can get super hot as burning liquid, like burn to the bone hot. So the 1/2 oz at a time rule still applies, and even then don't use it where it can spill and run don't onto you or your clothes or sleeping bag rather than into the dirt. 400 deg F liquid, even without flame, think about it.

leaftye
02-12-2013, 10:03
This sounds bad. The dangerous kind of bad.

bfayer
02-12-2013, 10:06
Gasoline puts out mega toxic byproducts. Cooking with it is not a good idea in a stove not designed for it.

Even with stoves that are designed for it, its not a healthy option. Modern gas in the US has many chemicals designed to reduce emissions in an internal combustion engine with a catalytic converter. It is not intended as a cooking fuel.

The emissions put out by a stove are significantly greater than put out by a modern vehicle. Think of it this way, would you sit down in front of a car tail pipe to cook dinner?

Would I use it in an emergency? Probably, but it would have to be a serious emergency.

swjohnsey
02-12-2013, 10:38
I am rounding up the stuff to burn my eyebrows off, Yellow Heet and lawnmower gas. I will try it in my Super Venom. I know that the Super Venom comes with a line to shorten it to use with straight gasoline.

rocketsocks
02-12-2013, 11:25
Anyone try it? It would be way cheaper than denatured alcohol or methanol and easy to find. A gallon or 2 would be good for power failures and last a long time.If you haven't already, maybe do a little reading up on LEL%(Lower Explosive Levels), and the rates at which things disassociate...or (Go Kaboom).

Starchild
02-12-2013, 11:32
I've heard though I have not tried that there is a initial flareup and large flames at first then it dies down to more of a alchy type burn with the speculation is that the gas burns off first.

If this is the case I wonder if it could be pre-burned to get a higher percentage of alcohol, something like ignite it, wait for the flames to die down then snuff it out and recover the liquid. Though trying this in any mass quantity I suspect would be much more hazardous then just a stove sized portion.

swjohnsey
02-12-2013, 12:00
O.K., I tried it, 8.5 oz Yellow Heet, 1.5 oz gasoline (probably E10). Used Super Venom stove. Initial ignition the flames is a little more visible, a little yellow in it afterward not much different than regular alcohol, flame might have be a little higher. No drama, works O.K.

bfayer
02-12-2013, 12:09
Isn't Heet in the yellow bottle methanol? While E-85 is ethanol?

Edit: I just checked and yellow Heet is methanol. E-85 is ethanol, like everclear.

swjohnsey
02-12-2013, 12:17
I think so. I didn't have the heart to burn my Everclear.

leaftye
02-12-2013, 12:17
O.K., I tried it, 8.5 oz Yellow Heet, 1.5 oz gasoline (probably E10). Used Super Venom stove. Initial ignition the flames is a little more visible, a little yellow in it afterward not much different than regular alcohol, flame might have be a little higher. No drama, works O.K.

Picture of eyebrows for proof? :D

bfayer
02-12-2013, 12:18
I think so. I didn't have the heart to burn my Everclear.

I understand :)

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rocketsocks
02-12-2013, 12:26
Picture of eyebrows for proof? :D


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Kaboom!

Blue Mountain Edward
02-12-2013, 19:44
I Googled it and E85 will work but smell bad. There may be a winter blend that is E70 that would be unsafe to burn. Dont think a gas station attendant would let a backpacker use a non approved container.

swjohnsey
02-12-2013, 22:41
Gas station attendant? BWAHAHAHA!!! Where you from, boy?

Starchild
02-12-2013, 23:01
$0.37 on pump number 11 please

leaftye
02-13-2013, 00:27
Gas station attendant? BWAHAHAHA!!! Where you from, boy?

New Jersey and Oregon are compulsory full service states. Job descriptions for gas station attendants outside of those state include being the cashier. I've been to quite a few stations where the cashier can shut off any pump when they see something they don't like. I'd assume it's like this in all stations with modern pumps. So what he's saying is right. Don't count on being able to pump unless you have an approved container.

dmax
02-13-2013, 00:50
I always wanted to buy another Super Stove just to try it. Maybe when I retire mine I'll cut it down and give it a try.