State police helicopter helps track down man camping on Appalachian Trail - Carlisle

[WhiteBlaze]

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[Mitey Mo]

Hmmmmm.....isn't everybody somewhat homeless and camping on the AT?

[Sarcasm the elf]

I am curious why the presence of a transient on the trail warranted this level of a police response. Does anyone know more about the background of this case? Sounds like there may be more too the story than what the article reported.

[Therunner1Guy]

I'm sure there is much more to it. There had to be a complaint from someone for them to even be looking for him. The police don't generally hunt down the homeless to make arrests. The article said he was cited, not arrested, for criminal trespass. That would imply that he was given a Notice to appear (Ticket) and released. Sounds like a “ somebody “made a complaint; officers receive pressure from the administration to act on it. Since there are no real charges they cite him for trespass and tell him to haul ass out of their jurisdiction. <o:p></o:p>

[Astro]

I am curious why the presence of a transient on the trail warranted this level of a police response. Does anyone know more about the background of this case? Sounds like there may be more too the story than what the article reported.

I am pretty sure there is, and will be interesting to find what it is.
You know they got Al Capone for Tax evasion. You get people for what you can prove, often there crimes are much greater (but harder to prove).

[MDSection12]

What exactly constitutes 'illegal camping' on the AT? Is this saying that if I stealth camp a helicopter is coming looking for me? Dang, should have gotten that camo tarp after all.

[HikerMom58]

What exactly constitutes 'illegal camping' on the AT? Is this saying that if I stealth camp a helicopter is coming looking for me? Dang, should have gotten that camo tarp after all.

No worries, MDSection12- I think the authorities are able to determine if someone is a thru hiker, section hiker, day hiker or living on the trail. We have/ have had some people, in my area, that are doing the same thing. It's illegal but no one can prove it so easily or they just don't care enough to go after someone for doing it.
It creeps people out, including myself, if there are people, on the trail, not using it for it's intended purpose. Having said that, if I found myself homeless, I would so try to live on the trail or in the woods somewhere... just sayin.
If this were ever the case, for me, I would try my best NOT to creep out people, that would notice me. I would be upfront and just tell them what I was doing out there.... Yes Sir/Ma'am, I have no home, I'm living on the trail- No better place, I'd rather be. :D

[4Bears]

Dang, should have gotten that camo tarp after all.
Nah they would still find you with thermal imaging, it might help if you wear that aluminum foil hat though.

[MDSection12]

No worries, MDSection12- I think the authorities are able to determine if someone is a thru hiker, section hiker, day hiker or living on the trail. We have/ have had some people, in my area, that are doing the same thing. It's illegal but no one can prove it so easily or they just don't care enough to go after someone for doing it.
It creeps people out, including myself, if there are people, on the trail, not using it for it's intended purpose. Having said that, if I found myself homeless, I would so try to live on the trail or in the woods somewhere... just sayin.
If this were ever the case, for me, I would try my best NOT to creep out people, that would notice me. I would be upfront and just tell them what I was doing out there.... Yes Sir/Ma'am, I have no home, I'm living on the trail- No better place, I'd rather be. :D

I've run into a few of those types. Usually they have a fixed income that is not enough to support them in 'civilization' but is a king's share for the AT. I have no problem with that... But unfortunately those are the types that are often in the news for one reason or another. Not to say that each person in that circumstance is bad, but just that there is some reasoning behind you having that reaction. It's hard not to pass judgement when you feel you are in a situation where intuition and judgement can be so important. As with anything else, if you feel uncomfortable you just hike on.

[rickb]

I am curious why the presence of a transient on the trail warranted this level of a police response. Does anyone know more about the background of this case? Sounds like there may be more too the story than what the article reported.

Googling is a lost art.

First hit below. There is probably more one could find, but why bother.

Seems like PA gets more than its fair share of these reports, doesn't it?

http://m.cumberlink.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/police-carlisle-man-threatened-to-cut-out-man-s-heart/article_ebda8c16-ccba-11e0-bd0a-001cc4c002e0.html?mobile_touch=true

[kayak karl]

"Cramer was taken into custody behind a home in the 800 block of Ridge Avenue, South Middleton Township, at 1 p.m. He was cited for criminal trespass.
i think he may of been on private property which is close to the AT. i have been fined for camping, but criminal trespass was never a charge on public property.

[Feral Bill]

Mystery solved

[Rocket Jones]

Trail Name: Hannibal.

[peakbagger]

Contrary to popular belief the AT is not all on public land. It has been "protected" in some spots through easement. For example, the AT goes through mutiple farms, the NPS doesnt own the land, they own the right for a trail to go through the property but the farmer still owns the land underneath. In some of these sections, it is specifically stated in the trail guides that there is no camping along a section even though its part of the AT. So even though someone is camping right in the middle of the trail, if the its on an easement that doesnt include the right to camp, someone could conceivably get busted for camping on the AT.

This is one of the reasons why "protecting the AT" is potentially a never ending project. ATC used to publish a list of unprotected miles of trail in mulitple fundraising campaings as a method of extracting more donations from folks so they they could "meet the goal" of "protecting the AT". You will notice that since that goal was met, that the PR has changed and many of the AT protection campaigns now protect the "viewshed" or protect areas where the trail could be relocated if it was owned. Heck I know of several properties near my place with frontage on the AT for sale.

[rickb]

"He was cited for criminal trespass.
i think he may of been on private property which is close to the AT. i have been fined for camping, but criminal trespass was never a charge on public property.

I don't this man's background, but on some jurisdictions there is a certain class of offender who may be banned from public parks, playgrounds etc.

Perhaps the charge for violating that prohibition would be criminal trespass.

Again, I have no reason to think that is what is going on here. Just saying.

[HikerMom58]

I've run into a few of those types. Usually they have a fixed income that is not enough to support them in 'civilization' but is a king's share for the AT. I have no problem with that... But unfortunately those are the types that are often in the news for one reason or another. Not to say that each person in that circumstance is bad, but just that there is some reasoning behind you having that reaction. It's hard not to pass judgement when you feel you are in a situation where intuition and judgement can be so important. As with anything else, if you feel uncomfortable you just hike on.

Right, I agree with what you are saying. :)

[kayak karl]

wear that aluminum foil hat though.
Hat? really, hat? now you tell me...., but i'm glad cause the foil underwear was chaffing:rolleyes:

[Sarcasm the elf]

Hat? really, hat? now you tell me...., but i'm glad cause the foil underwear was chaffing:rolleyes:

That reminds me of the old joke about the priest who went to heaven only to find out that the bible contained a typo and should have said "celebrate" instead of "celibate" :p

[Blue Mountain Edward]

Sharing is by choice, decided by the owner. If a homeless guy asks what size are your shoes say MY SIZE!

[FatHead64]

Nah they would still find you with thermal imaging, it might help if you wear that aluminum foil hat though.

Actually, someone at work (engineer) told me that it ends up Tyvek is an EXCELLENT IR mask. So lay under that groundcloth...

[Blue Mountain Edward]

I think I saw that guy hiking in 2012 in Md. He claimed a boy scout cleared all the music from his cell phone while it was charging in the Dalgreen showerhouse. The state police were called and a group of boy scouts had to hit the trail in the middle of the night. We was walking north together for a while. He got a bit stressed out when he was about to run out of prescription crazy medication and called a hostel to pick him up. He is Budhist ex army ranger with PTSD and claimed to be non violent.

[Malto]

Rather it was public land or not....... There is no camping allowed in the Cumberland Valley except at the campsite near Boiling springs. I guess he wasn't stealth enough.

[Dogwood]

I think you are right PeakBagger. I was thinking of that same AT section that's about twenty something miles near Boiling Springs on private land through the rows of corn just as you stated Malto. Although there are obvious signs saying "NO CAMPING" still some folks have that I'll do as I please mentality and camp there. It can make ALL hikers look bad. I guess some folks just don't get it that's it's ONE HECK OF A TOUGH JOB protecting the trail corridor and gaining access for the AT to be routed on PRIVATE LAND. Private land owners do this NOT OUT OF OBLIGATION. When we abuse their good nature I THINK IT SUCKS!

[rickb]

http://www.pameganslaw.state.pa.us/

[Cure]

Folks, let me tell you something here and also in regard to this incident. If a hiker poses any kind threat as perceived by another hiker as imminent danger to them or others we have the need law enforcement to engage the suspect at-large. We go to the outdoors to relax and enjoy nature, some go to live foolish fantasies that they never succeeded at in life. For those who chose to break the law, remember this, once you confront another person with intent to live out your rediculous fake fantasies, you are at the very least on grounds for assault, touch the person or use threatening language and now you are up to aggravated assault. After you get caught, some good advice for you, don't drop your own soap in prison.

[TOW]

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stupidity at its finest.....

[rickb]

Duplicate post removed.

[rickb]

stupidity at its finest.....Not neccesarily stupid.In addition to the info regarding this individual's history referenced earlier in the thread, you might try entering his name in here:http://www.pameganslaw.state.

[kidchill]

Yah, I'd kind of like more info about this. I mean, not down-playing the situation, but they had him when they cited him for criminal trespass...considering the cost of gas and the current state of the economy, are tax payer dollars being utilized appropriately for this? Also, why are all the crazies, including me, in PA? The only person I met that I seriously felt was panhandling and NOT really hiking the trail was in PA. I just flew past him, but he didn't seem right, if you know what I mean. Also, good looking out on the Tyvek for IR protection...could be useful during that whole zombie apocalypse thing ;)