Outside the stove.... the heiny can with a built in lighter...

[Wise Old Owl]

Well I was finishing up another alcohol stove and removing the paint off the can with 000 steel wool... I looked and looked again at that curved bottom and polished it up... grabbed a bit of jute and my Leatherman and char cloth. Flipped the stove upside down and held the char at the focal point, at 2" across I had a coal in a minute. You should take sunglasses as well once I had the coal and jute going I flipped the stove over put in the ounce of fuel and lit it.


Insanely cool a stove with a built in lighter!

[zelph]

Well I was finishing up another alcohol stove and removing the paint off the can with 000 steel wool... I looked and looked again at that curved bottom and polished it up... grabbed a bit of jute and my Leatherman and char cloth. Flipped the stove upside down and held the char at the focal point, at 2" across I had a coal in a minute. You should take sunglasses as well once I had the coal and jute going I flipped the stove over put in the ounce of fuel and lit it.


Insanely cool a stove with a built in lighter!

Show us a video or it didn't happen.

[redseal]

The post title reminded me of some John Valby lyrics...I bet her heiny can :-)

[Wise Old Owl]

Serious? Are you a Debbie doubter Zelph?

[rocketsocks]

Holy parabolic pop can....pretty cool Woo, gonna give her a go.

[Tri-Pod Bob]

New to WB, but a longtime wilderness survivalist, woodsman, camper/hiker....(many moons before Les & Bear hit the TV). Have used this technique a few times myself with a soda/beer can found in the woods. The key is to get a mirrored polish & proper distance/sun angle to your tinder. If you don't have steel wool, but carry candy to snack on in the wilds, it can be polished with a Hershey's bar! Rub the aluminum with the sweet stuff & polish with the foil it is wrapped in. Enjoy your wisdom, WOO.

[zelph]

New to WB, but a longtime wilderness survivalist, woodsman, camper/hiker....(many moons before Les & Bear hit the TV). Have used this technique a few times myself with a soda/beer can found in the woods. The key is to get a mirrored polish & proper distance/sun angle to your tinder. If you don't have steel wool, but carry candy to snack on in the wilds, it can be polished with a Hershey's bar! Rub the aluminum with the sweet stuff & polish with the foil it is wrapped in. Enjoy your wisdom, WOO.

This is an old wives tale, ain't gonna happen.;)

You can't shlit an ole shlitter:D but everyone else you can, so have your fun!:)

[Tri-Pod Bob]

This is an old wives tale, ain't gonna happen.;)

You can't shlit an ole shlitter:D but everyone else you can, so have your fun!:)

You have a right to your opinions.....I have a right to my truths! First truth...... I never "shlitt" around with regard to survival techniques, period!! Being a survivalist since my late teens, and recently retired after a 23 year firefighting career in a large city, I take matters of life & death very seriously. Second truth......This method of firestarting absolutely works. But, only if one has the patience & exact conditions (i.e. a very polished, curved surface; direct, brilliant sunlight; correct positioning of focal point; proper tinder, etc) to effect the amount of heat necessary to reach the tinder's ignition point temperature. As for the Hershey bar scenario....using the chocolate & polishing with the foil wrap, works very much like jewelers rouge. I have gotten a mirror finish on the bottom of more than 1 aluminum can.

[Tri-Pod Bob]

In primitive remote camping or survival situations, ya gotta think outside of the box MOST of the time. Failure occurs in any given instance, of course, but the successes can be brilliant!

[rocketsocks]

You have a right to your opinions.....I have a right to my truths! First truth...... I never "shlitt" around with regard to survival techniques, period!! Being a survivalist since my late teens, and recently retired after a 23 year firefighting career in a large city, I take matters of life & death very seriously. Second truth......This method of firestarting absolutely works. But, only if one has the patience & exact conditions (i.e. a very polished, curved surface; direct, brilliant sunlight; correct positioning of focal point; proper tinder, etc) to effect the amount of heat necessary to reach the tinder's ignition point temperature. As for the Hershey bar scenario....using the chocolate & polishing with the foil wrap, works very much like jewelers rouge. I have gotten a mirror finish on the bottom of more than 1 aluminum can.
hey on paper this sounds like good science to me...I'll give it a shot, right down to the rouge [confirmed Mac Giver fan]

[zelph]

Owl and TriPod, I've got both of you pegged.:)

If either one of you post a non edited video of this process igniting a piece of char cloth it will go viral. You'll be famous around the survival forums. The two of you are perpetuating an Old Wives tale. Yes, we are entitled to our own opinions and I respect that. All I ask is a video of the Owl igniting the char with a polished can bottom. Without a video, it didn't happen.

Don't think for a minute that I have not spent hours on the coke can myth. I spent years as a Hoodlum on Hoods Woods Survival.com and watch the best fail at this process of making fire. I was there when Tinny from Minibull design got banned from the forums because of his spamming. Is there any wonder I have a dislike for spammers that come here to do their thing. Spammers and BS'rs, too many around. But, nothing we can do about it. So we live with it.;) all is well, just do the video, both of you or it didn't happen:p

[rocketsocks]

Owl and TriPod, I've got both of you pegged.:)

If either one of you post a non edited video of this process igniting a piece of char cloth it will go viral. You'll be famous around the survival forums. The two of you are perpetuating an Old Wives tale. Yes, we are entitled to our own opinions and I respect that. All I ask is a video of the Owl igniting the char with a polished can bottom. Without a video, it didn't happen.

Don't think for a minute that I have not spent hours on the coke can myth. I spent years as a Hoodlum on Hoods Woods Survival.com and watch the best fail at this process of making fire. I was there when Tinny from Minibull design got banned from the forums because of his spamming. Is there any wonder I have a dislike for spammers that come here to do their thing. Spammers and BS'rs, too many around. But, nothing we can do about it. So we live with it.;) all is well, just do the video, both of you or it didn't happen:palright and challenge, I love a good challenge. But don't have the polishing time right now to do what I think would be needed for this to possible work....one day! But again on paper it works, and is the same way in which a telescope mirror is made...though glass which has been aluminized is used. I've not doubt what your sayin Zelph, that it's been tried and tried again...and that the planets all have to be aligned for this to work....so i'll just say quit possibly ..."It's plausible" :)

[zelph]

YSecond truth......This method of firestarting absolutely works. But, only if one has the patience & exact conditions (i.e. a very polished, curved surface; direct, brilliant sunlight; correct positioning of focal point; proper tinder, etc) to effect the amount of heat necessary to reach the tinder's ignition point temperature. .

Well looky here retired fireman, the owl says it's so easy:


(the owl)
I looked and looked again at that curved bottom and polished it up... grabbed a bit of jute and my Leatherman and char cloth. Flipped the stove upside down and held the char at the focal point, at 2" across I had a coal in a minute.



He says he had a coal in a minute. No video, it didn't happen. You say you got a mirror finish with foil and chocolate. That just doesn't happen. If you have a video of the polishing please do show us.

[Wise Old Owl]

if it wasn't raining so hard I would have a video for you... honest Zelph you are backing yourself into a corner. I have no idea what the coke can myth is and I have already tested it prior to posting - have to get the wife to hold the camera. And we need something better than a tropical storm.. So calm down... It "CAN" be done.

[Tri-Pod Bob]

Well looky here retired fireman, the owl says it's so easy:



He says he had a coal in a minute. No video, it didn't happen. You say you got a mirror finish with foil and chocolate. That just doesn't happen. If you have a video of the polishing please do show us.

The ignition IS easy if all prep (about 45-60 min of polishing with the chocolate bar/foil is used....less time with steal wool or jeweler's rouge) & sunshine conditions are good. Also have to hold the can at the correct angle to take advantage of the parallel sunbeams, to focus the light toward the can's focal point (usually about 1 1/2" from the center). I'm not techie enough to do video.

[Loneoak]

http://prepforshtf.com/diy-solar-fire-starter/#.UbQALlfg9cw

[Tri-Pod Bob]

http://prepforshtf.com/diy-solar-fire-starter/#.UbQALlfg9cw

Thanks for posting this, Loneoak. I'm searching my archives, for a video on this, that I saw this past year also. When I find it, I'll get a 12 yr old to show me how to get it from there to here....LOL!! I'm so tech ignorant............. I can barely use basic computer functions! Can get on WB, though, thankfully! Really glad I found the site!

[Loneoak]

Thanks for posting this, Loneoak. I'm searching my archives, for a video on this, that I saw this past year also. When I find it, I'll get a 12 yr old to show me how to get it from there to here....LOL!! I'm so tech ignorant............. I can barely use basic computer functions! Can get on WB, though, thankfully! Really glad I found the site!
Your welcome Tri-Pod Bob

[Franco]

http://www.youtube.com/user/ROBwithaB?v=4iwrPKVuoTQ

[Wise Old Owl]

Thanks Franco -- now you all need to laugh your hiking socks off, here in Malvern we are a few blocks from the US open and well I got a 3 minute open today to retest my original post,,, and the deluge began... Zelph... will have to be patient.

[Franco]

I polished the bottom of a can ,( with Brasso a metal cleaner) , and had a test run.Did not work for me but the sun is very pale at the moment.
I get a similar concentrated beam to the one you get with a magnifying glass (blingdingly bright) but had no luck on getting a flame.
I will try again...

[FarmerChef]

I polished the bottom of a can ,( with Brasso a metal cleaner) , and had a test run.Did not work for me but the sun is very pale at the moment.
I get a similar concentrated beam to the one you get with a magnifying glass (blingdingly bright) but had no luck on getting a flame.
I will try again...

What are you using as your ignition tinder? Just curious.

The goal is not a flame but a coal. Once you have the coal you can use this to get your tinder ignited. Having seen primitive fire made I would be satisfied with a video just showing the creation of the coal since once you have a coal the rest is elementary (it's a completely different set of skills to get the coal to ignite the tinder and success at that point is neither certain nor 100% repeatable). I'm not on either side of this debate. I just want to see it work :D

[zelph]

Zelph... will have to be patient.

I'm being patient.:p

I'm waiting on all of you patiently. :sun

No uninterrupted video or it didn't happen:dance

[moytoy]

In order for this to work the bottom of your can will have to be a parabola. A parabola has very specific angle measurements causing the reflection of the light source to be in one spot from all point on the reflector. I doubt that any beer or soda can has a bottom that can be used as a parabolic reflector. Like Zelph I'll have to see it to believe it.

[Wise Old Owl]

Well Zelph this is the busy season... I am working some 10 hour days... hang in there..

[rocketsocks]

In order for this to work the bottom of your can will have to be a parabola. A parabola has very specific angle measurements causing the reflection of the light source to be in one spot from all point on the reflector. I doubt that any beer or soda can has a bottom that can be used as a parabolic reflector. Like Zelph I'll have to see it to believe it.just because it's here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parabola

[rocketsocks]

just because it's here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parabola

A parabola (/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English)p (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ə (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ˈ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)r (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)æ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)b (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ə (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)l (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ə (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English); plural parabolas or parabolae, adjective parabolic, from Greek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language): παραβολή) is a two-dimensional, mirror-symmetrical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflection_symmetry) curve (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curve), which is approximately U-shaped when oriented as shown in the diagram, but which can be in any orientation in its plane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plane_%28geometry%29). It fits any of several superficially different mathematical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics) descriptions which can all be proved to define curves of exactly the same shape (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape).

[rocketsocks]

A parabola (/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English)p (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ə (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ˈ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)r (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)æ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)b (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ə (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)l (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ə (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English); plural parabolas or parabolae, adjective parabolic, from Greek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language): παραβολή) is a two-dimensional, mirror-symmetrical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflection_symmetry) curve (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curve), which is approximately U-shaped when oriented as shown in the diagram, but which can be in any orientation in its plane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plane_%28geometry%29). It fits any of several superficially different mathematical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics) descriptions which can all be proved to define curves of exactly the same shape (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape).
third times a charm when you can't edit...and just learned to highlight a quote...ugh!

[DaFireMedic]

I've built several reflecting telescopes with parabolic mirrors. A can bottom could be used as a parabolic mirror (theoretically), but the focal length would be very short and the surface is so small that it would be difficult to generate enough heat to ignite tinder. Conditions would have to be near perfect. It is also not the ideal shape to focus light as you need enough of the light focused at the focal point to generate sufficient heat, and can bottoms are not likely that uniform in shape. Much of the light is likely lost, reflecting in slightly different directions. Also, any imperfections in the surface would further reduce the amount of light focused, and therefore the amount of heat produced so your can would need to have very few imperfections in the surface.

You actually would be trying to ignite the tinder, not generate a coal. The focused light is the "coal", and the char cloth (or whatever material is used) would be the tinder.

I'm not saying its impossible, in fact I'm confident it can and probably has been done, but it would be difficult. And overall, it would not be very practical, as you would lose your surface the moment you placed your can on the fire. Then you would have to clean the soot off, and spend all that time repolishing it for the next time, and wait for ideal conditions to try to start another fire.

[rocketsocks]

I've built several reflecting telescopes with parabolic mirrors. A can bottom could be used as a parabolic mirror (theoretically), but the focal length would be very short and the surface is so small that it would be difficult to generate enough heat to ignite tinder. Conditions would have to be near perfect. It is also not the ideal shape to focus light as you need enough of the light focused at the focal point to generate sufficient heat, and can bottoms are not likely that uniform in shape. Much of the light is likely lost, reflecting in slightly different directions. Also, any imperfections in the surface would further reduce the amount of light focused, and therefore the amount of heat produced so your can would need to have very few imperfections in the surface.

You actually would be trying to ignite the tinder, not generate a coal. The focused light is the "coal", and the char cloth (or whatever material is used) would be the tinder.

I'm not saying its impossible, in fact I'm confident it can and probably has been done, but it would be difficult. And overall, it would not be very practical, as you would lose your surface the moment you placed your can on the fire. Then you would have to clean the soot off, and spend all that time repolishing it for the next time, and wait for ideal conditions to try to start another fire.
I've have absolutely no doubt everything you said is true....and in there lie the fun :)

[FarmerChef]

I've built several reflecting telescopes with parabolic mirrors. A can bottom could be used as a parabolic mirror (theoretically), but the focal length would be very short and the surface is so small that it would be difficult to generate enough heat to ignite tinder. Conditions would have to be near perfect. It is also not the ideal shape to focus light as you need enough of the light focused at the focal point to generate sufficient heat, and can bottoms are not likely that uniform in shape. Much of the light is likely lost, reflecting in slightly different directions. Also, any imperfections in the surface would further reduce the amount of light focused, and therefore the amount of heat produced so your can would need to have very few imperfections in the surface.

You actually would be trying to ignite the tinder, not generate a coal. The focused light is the "coal", and the char cloth (or whatever material is used) would be the tinder.

I'm not saying its impossible, in fact I'm confident it can and probably has been done, but it would be difficult. And overall, it would not be very practical, as you would lose your surface the moment you placed your can on the fire. Then you would have to clean the soot off, and spend all that time repolishing it for the next time, and wait for ideal conditions to try to start another fire.

Devil's advocate here: wouldn't you be just trying to get a bright red cherry on your char cloth and then transfer this to your tinder bundle? I'm not sure I've seen folks getting char cloth to ignite as in "flame." Maybe we're saying the same thing...

[Biggie Master]

Just for the sake of argument, what if it does work? What then? At best it's a neat trick when conditions are PERFECT, but it will never be a reliable ignition source for your stove or a camp fire in real trail conditions. Flint and steel - as in a mini-Bic lighter - is my go to fire starter. Just sayin...

[FarmerChef]

Just for the sake of argument, what if it does work? What then? At best it's a neat trick when conditions are PERFECT, but it will never be a reliable ignition source for your stove or a camp fire in real trail conditions. Flint and steel - as in a mini-Bic lighter - is my go to fire starter. Just sayin...

Of course, you're exactly right. F&S is my go to fire starter, especially when the mini-Bic gets wet and won't light :o But it would be so very COOL to say you did it. This is for the sheer "that's awesome" factor. :D

[rocketsocks]

Just for the sake of argument, what if it does work? What then? At best it's a neat trick when conditions are PERFECT, but it will never be a reliable ignition source for your stove or a camp fire in real trail conditions. Flint and steel - as in a mini-Bic lighter - is my go to fire starter. Just sayin...
Well, you could make a solar cooker out of it, and melt some M&M's, and dip those little oyster crackers in it...maybe even invite a friend over for some kitty fondue, and show your new finagled easy bake oven.....or not :D


but according to Zelph you'd be the only one to ever post such a video, you'd be an overnight

"wiley coyote super genius" meep meep

[Biggie Master]

but according to Zelph you'd be the only one to ever post such a video, you'd be an overnight

"wiley coyote super genius" meep meep

I think I can rig the camera angle and set the lighting just right to put together a believable video... They'll never see the fishing line, pool chemicals, or diesel fuel...

[rocketsocks]

I think I can rig the camera angle and set the lighting just right to put together a believable video... They'll never see the fishing line, pool chemicals, or diesel fuel...funny, I was thinking a model rocket igniter imbedded in some hemp oakum...devious minds think alike :eek:

[DaFireMedic]

Devil's advocate here: wouldn't you be just trying to get a bright red cherry on your char cloth and then transfer this to your tinder bundle? I'm not sure I've seen folks getting char cloth to ignite as in "flame." Maybe we're saying the same thing...

Actually, with char cloth, you are correct.

[Wise Old Owl]

Farmer is correct... still works.

[zelph]

Well I was finishing up another alcohol stove and removing the paint off the can with 000 steel wool... I looked and looked again at that curved bottom and polished it up...

The Owl says he used 000 steel wool to polish the can bottom. How many of you have gotten your can to have a mirror finish with 000 steel wool?

The chocalate bar and wrapper makes me giggle.;) Actually makes me LMAO:D

[Slo-go'en]

you'd have better luck with a magnifying glass....

[Drybones]

Would anyone like to borrow a match?

[Wise Old Owl]

Yea me... OK Zelph eat crow,,, You are a great guy but too sensitive...


Here is one of the video's and it isn't noon...
http://youtu.be/gEOUyO471Qs

[Franco]

"Buffed with Kleenex..."Funny that, I did the same.


Just a reminder that Kleenex (tissue paper in general) IS slightly abrasive so better not use them to wipe your glasses with.




I found that an easier way to keep the right distance was to rest the bottom of the thumb holding the "tinder" on the edge of the can.

[Wise Old Owl]

Hey thank you for watching Franco... I was very Embarrassed as I am very shy and the video was worse than Wilson on Home improvement .

[Odd Man Out]

Hey thank you for watching Franco... I was very Embarrassed as I am very shy and the video was worse than Wilson on Home improvement .

But I like the shirt!

[moytoy]

Hey thank you for watching Franco... I was very Embarrassed as I am very shy and the video was worse than Wilson on Home improvement .
Good video. I had doubted it would work. Impressive actually!

[Hikes in Rain]

Now that's just all eat up with cool! Thanks for posting it.

[Loneoak]

Awesome job on the video

[Wise Old Owl]

Thanks I was contemplating re-shooting it today

[dmax]

ATTA Boy Woo!! Nice Job!!

[Tri-Pod Bob]

Great job, WOO!! Thanks for all of the effort to quiet the naysayers.......now if you have some time to kill & want to sacrifice a perfectly good Hershey bar..........

[FarmerChef]

Yea me... OK Zelph eat crow,,, You are a great guy but too sensitive...


Here is one of the video's and it isn't noon...
http://youtu.be/gEOUyO471Qs

Loved it!! Now I do have to point out that that could have been an imposter. That guy "claiming" to be WOO was wearing a shirt with an Eagle on it!

[Drybones]

Yea me... OK Zelph eat crow,,, You are a great guy but too sensitive...


Here is one of the video's and it isn't noon...
http://youtu.be/gEOUyO471Qs

Now that was pretty neat Owl, if you are Owl, that eagle tee shirt really puts that into question. I probably shouldn't have watched this, now I'll waste a day polishing a beer can.

[rocketsocks]

Yea me... OK Zelph eat crow,,, You are a great guy but too sensitive...


Here is one of the video's and it isn't noon...
http://youtu.be/gEOUyO471Qs
Woo, never a doubt in my mind...I just wish I had some money down on it, hehehe Good job!....No, Great job!

[Wise Old Owl]

Loved it!! Now I do have to point out that that could have been an imposter. That guy "claiming" to be WOO was wearing a shirt with an Eagle on it!


I got a couple of Owl Shirts and a Eagle as I am a old Eagle Scout... Here is the link

http://shop.themountain.me/great-horned-owl-head/

http://shop.themountain.me/search.php?search_query=owl&Search= (http://shop.themountain.me/great-horned-owl-head/)

[Wise Old Owl]

Now that was pretty neat Owl, if you are Owl, that eagle tee shirt really puts that into question. I probably shouldn't have watched this, now I'll waste a day polishing a beer can.

suggest a red bull or Heiny

[FarmerChef]

Heinz keg style (no longer available) or new one? I can't wait to give this (and the Heine) a try ;)

[Wise Old Owl]

Oh go red bull get two.

[Papa Tac]

It would appear Zelph has left the building...
Hmm, a bottle of Chateauneuf-de-Chagrin should go well with that crow
Great tip and vid, WOO.
Keep it up!

[Franco]

WOOMany actors don't like to watch their own movies so not surprising that us tinkerers feel the same.
The point of your clip was to show that you can use the bottom of a can to light tinder.
you proved that, job done.


mind you, I will still carry my two Mini Bic ....

[Drybones]

It would appear Zelph has left the building...
Hmm, a bottle of Chateauneuf-de-Chagrin should go well with that crow
Great tip and vid, WOO.
Keep it up!

Let him drink Ripple.

[Drybones]

Heinz keg style (no longer available) or new one? I can't wait to give this (and the Heine) a try ;)

I haven't been able to find a Heiny can either...it's Foster or Molson.

[Odd Man Out]

I haven't been able to find a Heiny can either...it's Foster or Molson.

I have two Heiny keg cans (12 oz size) left over from previous stove building projects. Alas it seems that someone had already consumed the contents. Since they seem to be a rare commodity in demand, are they worth something?

[Wise Old Owl]

maybe not ...............

[zelph]

Well I was finishing up another alcohol stove and removing the paint off the can with 000 steel wool... I looked and looked again at that curved bottom and polished it up... grabbed a bit of jute and my Leatherman and char cloth. Flipped the stove upside down and held the char at the focal point, at 2" across I had a coal in a minute. You should take sunglasses as well once I had the coal and jute going I flipped the stove over put in the ounce of fuel and lit it.


Insanely cool a stove with a built in lighter!

You sneaky owl. It's called "bait and switch" You lead us to believe one thing and pull then pull a fast one on us. How did you ever get to become an Eagle Scout. :rolleyes:

You're video shows a small can being used, that would have a focal point a lot less than the 2" that you said in your originl post and you did a brief 3 second polish with tissue instead of 000 steel wool. LOL. You are a funny owl. Your erratic actions in the video made me think you were hiding something from us. Nervous.....nervous about what? Deception? What did you attach to the bottom of the can to get it to light the char. Was there an excellerant on the other side of the char so that when you turned the leatherman around the excellerant ignited?

I think you should redo the video and use a coke can with 000steel wool. Sit calmly down at a table, have a wide brimmed hat shield your face from the sun, pick up the can, polish it with the steel wool and then ignite the char. We want to see you make it look so easy as in your original post. Your video didn't go viral so we need a 2nd one.;)


I'll have a can of coke please:banana

[rocketsocks]

You sneaky owl. It's called "bait and switch" You lead us to believe one thing and pull then pull a fast one on us. How did you ever get to become an Eagle Scout. :rolleyes:

You're video shows a small can being used, that would have a focal point a lot less than the 2" that you said in your originl post and you did a brief 3 second polish with tissue instead of 000 steel wool. LOL. You are a funny owl. Your erratic actions in the video made me think you were hiding something from us. Nervous.....nervous about what? Deception? What did you attach to the bottom of the can to get it to light the char. Was there an excellerant on the other side of the char so that when you turned the leatherman around the excellerant ignited?

I think you should redo the video and use a coke can with 000steel wool. Sit calmly down at a table, have a wide brimmed hat shield your face from the sun, pick up the can, polish it with the steel wool and then ignite the char. We want to see you make it look so easy as in your original post. Your video didn't go viral so we need a 2nd one.;)


I'll have a can of coke please:bananaZelph, you don't really believe that...do you?

[slow mind]

Never had a doubt. Smart people can do anything.

[rocketsocks]

Never had a doubt. Smart people can do anything.Love a can do attitude, especially in kids.

[FarmerChef]

You sneaky owl. It's called "bait and switch" You lead us to believe one thing and pull then pull a fast one on us. How did you ever get to become an Eagle Scout. :rolleyes:

You're video shows a small can being used, that would have a focal point a lot less than the 2" that you said in your originl post and you did a brief 3 second polish with tissue instead of 000 steel wool. LOL. You are a funny owl. Your erratic actions in the video made me think you were hiding something from us. Nervous.....nervous about what? Deception? What did you attach to the bottom of the can to get it to light the char. Was there an excellerant on the other side of the char so that when you turned the leatherman around the excellerant ignited?

I think you should redo the video and use a coke can with 000steel wool. Sit calmly down at a table, have a wide brimmed hat shield your face from the sun, pick up the can, polish it with the steel wool and then ignite the char. We want to see you make it look so easy as in your original post. Your video didn't go viral so we need a 2nd one.;)


I'll have a can of coke please:banana

Can I propose a "light off?" The two contestants will both be given a 6 pack of the beer of their choice. They have one hour to consume the beer and polish their cans. At the end of the hour they will compete to see who can light their tinder first. Video will be taken. :banana

[MDSection12]

You sneaky owl. It's called "bait and switch" You lead us to believe one thing and pull then pull a fast one on us. How did you ever get to become an Eagle Scout. :rolleyes:

You're video shows a small can being used, that would have a focal point a lot less than the 2" that you said in your originl post and you did a brief 3 second polish with tissue instead of 000 steel wool. LOL. You are a funny owl. Your erratic actions in the video made me think you were hiding something from us. Nervous.....nervous about what? Deception? What did you attach to the bottom of the can to get it to light the char. Was there an excellerant on the other side of the char so that when you turned the leatherman around the excellerant ignited?

I think you should redo the video and use a coke can with 000steel wool. Sit calmly down at a table, have a wide brimmed hat shield your face from the sun, pick up the can, polish it with the steel wool and then ignite the char. We want to see you make it look so easy as in your original post. Your video didn't go viral so we need a 2nd one.;)


I'll have a can of coke please:banana

FFS, you can't be serious. :rolleyes:

[zelph]

Can I propose a "light off?" The two contestants will both be given a 6 pack of the beer of their choice. They have one hour to consume the beer and polish their cans. At the end of the hour they will compete to see who can light their tinder first. Video will be taken. :banana

Tri-Pod-Bob and the Owl get the six packs and duel it out. Maybe then the owl will loosen up. Actually all of you can try the owl's method and make the fire.;) Have a six pack of brewskies and have at it. The owl has to calm down and do it the way he originally proposed. :D

[FarmerChef]

I'm itching to try this now. Unfortunately, I drink beer in bottles usually. But I do have a spare diet coke can I can use. Might give it a shot this weekend. Will post video if I can figure out how to do it without using up all the memory on my iphone (don't have a handheld camcorder). Will post back with my results.

[rocketsocks]

this thread is gonna drive me to drink

[Drybones]

Can I propose a "light off?" The two contestants will both be given a 6 pack of the beer of their choice. They have one hour to consume the beer and polish their cans. At the end of the hour they will compete to see who can light their tinder first. Video will be taken. :banana

Make it a triathlon...6 hot dogs, six beers and polish your can.......I could perform well in one of these events.

[Drybones]

I'm itching to try this now. Unfortunately, I drink beer in bottles usually. But I do have a spare diet coke can I can use. Might give it a shot this weekend. Will post video if I can figure out how to do it without using up all the memory on my iphone (don't have a handheld camcorder). Will post back with my results.

A soda pop can is bad enough....but with a diet cola can you'll be the laughing stock of WB...you'll need the calories for polishing.

[Wise Old Owl]

Zelph on the right day and weather I can do it right in front of you. This is an idiot moment.. Ya asked and I delivered. I can do it at 10 am - 4pm on a super clear day. And its a minute and a half... Enjoy the par take on the survival knowledge... never say never.


Tell ya what - put your money where your typist skills are and bet $100 for Paypal and I will reshoot the video... I could use it for gear.

[MDSection12]

Zelph on the right day and weather I can do it right in front of you. This is an idiot moment.. Ya asked and I delivered. I can do it at 10 am - 4pm on a super clear day. And its a minute and a half... Enjoy the par take on the survival knowledge... never say never.
Your next show lined up for Vegas yet?

[Wise Old Owl]

taking the honest gee wiz approach here.

[Wise Old Owl]

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