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Mags
06-25-2013, 21:33
It is wildfire season here in the Rockies. And with the fires come bans on certain types of backpacking stoves. A good reason to look at going stoveless while backpacking.

Going stoveless when backpacking is an option that should be looked at more closely. Here’s why.

Stove Options

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There are many options for cooking systems when backpacking (http://www.pmags.com/stove-comparison-real-world-use).
Choices that work depending on what your needs and goals are for outdoor use:


Alcohol stoves and Esbit systems seem the favorite of those who want a minimalist and light system to do “boil and eat” type meals.
Canister stoves of various types are the workhorse of the outdoor world being easy to use and are every efficient.
Wood stoves still have their fans esp in the heavily wooded Pacific Northwest and the Appalachians
..and white gas stoves still serve a niche for winter backpacking or large group use

But there is an option that is often overlooked or dismissed outright: Going stoveless.
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Gorp…the quick breakfast of choice when you know a town stop is 5 miles down the trail. http://www.pmags.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

Why go stoveless?


There are some valid reasons why going stoveless could be an option for more backpackers:


Simplicity : No need to cook food or set up a stove, cook pot, measure fuel and so on. Just quickly hydrate some food or even just eat. When your fellow backpackers are out in the rain or snow futzing with a stove, you are munching away on a filling and nutritious meal
Logistics: No need to worry about procuring fuel during town stops if on a long hike. You also eliminate the need to dispose of empty canisters. Even a weekend backpacking trip can be easy without a stove. Some cold leftover chicken and rehydrated couscous (http://www.pmags.com/lost-creek-high-route) on a hot day in the Lost Creek Wilderness was one of my favorite backpacking meals.
Burns Bans: In recent years in the American West, there have been bans on open flames and stoves without on/off switches. (http://www.pmags.com/stove-comparison-real-world-use#burn-bans) While there is quibbling online, most people come to the logical conclusion that wood stoves, Esbit and alcohol stoves are a no-go under this ban. Since white gas stoves are heavy and canister stoves aren’t always a good choice for everyone, the “no stove” option can be an attractive tool in a backpacker’s kit
Hot and Dry Weather: Usually goes along with the burns bans. Sometimes a simple meal of cold couscous and chicken from a pouch is really satisfying when It is hot and dry
Less need for water: Depending on your meal choices, less water is needed for camp. Dry camping becomes more of an option and you have more flexibility as to where to camp.
Weight Savings: This one is a “maybe” if I were to be honest. You do eliminate the stove, cook pot and fuel. However, if you do not use easily re-hydrated food (such as the dry camping above), the weight savings is not as pronounced. Ends up being a wash overall. The above factors still make the “no stove” option an attractive one, however
Environmentally sound: The ultimate “green friendly stove” is no stove at all. http://www.pmags.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif

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No water by the campsite? No problem. And the view will be great too…


Concerns of going stoveless

When bringing up the stove-less option, there is often some push back. Many outdoors people are so used to a system that they start thinking it is the only system. It is good to look at different options and try them out once in a while.


I need a hot meal in case of hypothermia: A classic question from Wilderness First Aid classes is Which is better? Hot black tea or cold Gatorade for treating hypothermia? The answer is cold Gatorade. The fluids and sugar gives the body some quick energy and hydration needed to help your body heat up. In other words, the fuel is what is needed to prevent hypothermia. Not the temperature of said fuel (food). Besides, I’d rather be warm and dry in my sleeping bag while munching on pita and hummus than fiddling with a stove in cold rain (which, rumor has it, can help lead to hypothermia http://www.pmags.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif )
I like my morning coffee: Hey, I understand…I’m addicted myself. http://www.pmags.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif However, Starbucks Via (or any very finely ground coffee for that matter) rehydrates just fine cold. I once made ice coffee with snow and Starbucks Via one hot and dry backpacking trip in the Ptarmigan Wilderness (http://www.pmags.com/ptarmigan-wilderness-figure-8). The drink was awesome! Seriously.
I like my hot meals: Not going to argue that point. If you like your hot meal at the end of day, that’s great. Again, not arguing if going stove-less is the best option (as that is silly (http://www.pmags.com/best-gear-fallacy)), but rather pointing out another option that may work for you
You can’t discount the psychological benefit of a hot meal on a cold day at times: No I can’t. Which is why I say going stoveless is an option and not the final answer. Just another tool in the outdoor person’s kit to use. I would not want to go stove-less all the time (Mrs Mags would divorce me. http://www.pmags.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif ). During shoulder season a hot drink, a good meal and a small campfire can be wonderful while taking in the fine, chill air of Autumn. During drought conditions in the middle of summer? I’ll leave the stove at home.

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Not quite Dunkies…but it sure tastes fine. http://www.pmags.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif


Stoveless Food options

After all this talk about the benefits of going stoveless, the question is naturally asked: What found should I bring?
Luckily your decent sized grocery store has plenty of options for the average backpacker. No need for fancy food.
Some food ideas used by myself or others:


Dehydrated beans in bulks: Dehydrated black beans, lentils and hummus (chic peas) can all be found in the bulk section of many grocery stores. Add water and add to a starch and you have a filling meal that “cooks” in minutes.
Instant mashed potatoes: Cold mashed potatoes mixed with a protein (pepperoni for example) actually hits the spot for me
Couscous: I find that the Near East brand rehydrates quite well in a zip-lock bag after 5-10 minutes.
Ramen: If you have time in camp, let it sit for a bit (30 minutes +/-) and the noodle re-hydrate fine
Tortilla wraps with cheese or peanut butter or beans and so on: A tortilla is almost miraculous in its versatility!
Pita chips: Yummy and great for dipping in the rehydrated beans
Tuna or Chicken packs, jerky, salami, pepperoni sticks: Even with hot meals, protein often has to be packed in non-dehydrated. I often mix and match my protein with some of the above… be it eating cold or using a stove
Typical backpacking snacks: GORP or fig bars with peanut butter makes a good breakfast; some jerky, tortillas and cheese make a perfectly fine meals. After a while you stop thinking of meals and just think of food. Need a power lunch to fuel for the last half of the day? Have the couscous and hummus for a mid-day meal.

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You normally would not carry in fried chicken..but you could! http://www.pmags.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif
Is going stoveless for everyone and every situation? No it is not. However, I think it as an option that could work well for many people. The simplicity, versatility and easy logistics make it a good tool to have in any backpacker’s kit. Give the stoveless option a try. You just may like it!

ChinMusic
06-25-2013, 21:40
I'm a convert. Five years now

rocketsocks
06-25-2013, 21:54
Nice right up Mags, I don't think liberal obtuse tree hugers eat fried chicken...do they?:D

Wise Old Owl
06-25-2013, 21:54
Odd but not me... only cook one meal per day

Feral Bill
06-25-2013, 22:35
I usually cook, but go stoveless as conditions/ mood dictate. Air travel leans me toward cookless, but I may try my son's canister stove next go.

daddytwosticks
06-26-2013, 07:20
One word: hot coffee. :)

Wise Old Owl
06-26-2013, 07:48
uh that's two...

SouthMark
06-26-2013, 08:26
I love my coffee but I like the simplicity of going stoveless even more. I have about a dozen or so stove systems but have not used one in a couple of years now.

Mags
06-26-2013, 10:37
As mentioned, some very finely ground coffee (e.g. Via) can be had cold quite easily.

As I sip in my coffee, I can agree that it is not the same as hot coffee. However, if I am going stove free, it is generally hot weather anyway. :)

Air travel is another great reason to go stoveless. The logistics of stove and fuel through security are eliminated.

Ewker
06-26-2013, 11:24
don't forget Starbucks makes an Iced Via Coffee

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kidchill
06-26-2013, 17:53
It's all benefit vs cost (cost is in terms of weight). My entire cook-set, including canister, weighs about 1lb. Is 1lbs worth hot coffee and at least one warm meal per day? To me, definitely ;) I would rather shed weight elsewhere...

leaftye
06-26-2013, 18:40
I go cookless, but I'm going to start carrying a pot when above the snow line so I can melt snow. I'd rather not melt snow in plastic bottles and bags again.

ChinMusic
06-26-2013, 18:55
Going stoveless was just such an easy call for me. I hated the freeze-dried meals anyway. They about gagged me.

Tortillas are my staple. Peanut butter, honey nut Cheerios, and honey for breakfast. Piles of pepperoni akin to an Arby's sandwich for supper. Hot meals in town

Del Q
06-26-2013, 21:03
2 years now, happier with less gear and the freedom to camp wherever I like. As long as I have enough water to drink for the night and a.m. hike. No prep, eating immediately, eat plenty of cooked food in towns.

On last two hikes, ate Ramen uncooked, added some seasoning from home, just fine food.

Decided to go this route after speaking with Trek a few times and Eric D (Thanks Eric, Spam single serving rocks!)

4Bears
06-26-2013, 21:29
Down to one meal (supper) a day, plus water for tea in the evening and cold tea in the morning. I may try stoveless at some point, I can see it working at times for me. Nice article Mags, thanks for sharing.

Wise Old Owl
06-26-2013, 21:48
Life is good.

Mags
06-26-2013, 22:14
It's all benefit vs cost (cost is in terms of weight). My entire cook-set, including canister, weighs about 1lb. Is 1lbs worth hot coffee and at least one warm meal per day? To me, definitely ;) I would rather shed weight elsewhere...

It is not about weight, but simplicity.

To me, if you focus on the weight savings strictly, you are missing on some of the benefits of going cookless.

Is it for everyone? No.... But there are some definitely pluses in the right situation (like a hot, dry year in Colorado with major wildfires. :O )

rocketsocks
06-27-2013, 02:14
But for a hot meal at dinner time, I don't cook. I haven't been cooking breakfast like I thought I would, and while I like hot coffee, lately I've been doing without. Not sure that I'd adopt this style full time, but I'll give it a shot some time...definitely a weight saver. Again good right up, with some solid pionts...and this obtuse liberal tree hugger loves fried chicken...and I don't sell polymer magazines either.

garlic08
06-27-2013, 11:15
Nicely done, Mags. Spread the word. I wish someone had told me this was even an option earlier in my hiking career. I converted back in 2004 on the PCT when I met some stoveless hikers who were doing quite well. I never met Scott Williamson, but that was the year of his historic PCT yo-yo, and he hiked stoveless. Dehydrated beans and corn chips were his staple, I heard.

whatnot
06-27-2013, 13:14
Several years ago, I read Garlic and Pickle's 2008 AT journal and learned about going stoveless. I tried it, liked it, and haven't used a stove in over 4 years. Even off-trail I start each morning with a cup of old fashioned rolled oats soaked in cool water. Life is so much simpler now.

Ktaadn
06-27-2013, 14:08
I don't even own a backpacking stove. I am truly stoveless.

Wise Old Owl
06-27-2013, 21:58
Going stoveless was just such an easy call for me. I hated the freeze-dried meals anyway. They about gagged me.

Tortillas are my staple. Peanut butter, honey nut Cheerios, and honey for breakfast. Piles of pepperoni akin to an Arby's sandwich for supper. Hot meals in town


Thye have gotten better...

Ewker
06-27-2013, 23:14
Thye have gotten better...

No they haven't. If you want dehydrated meals make them yourself from left over dinners. At least you know what you are getting

DaFireMedic
06-30-2013, 22:51
Nice write up, very thought provoking. I frequently hike with my 12 and 15 yr old sons. They probably wouldn't go if there wasn't hot food involved. I will probably never go completely stove free, its something I look forward to each evening on the trail. But there are certainly some benefits to going stove free.

Del Q
07-01-2013, 20:46
Cook fre is GREAT

Lighter
Simpler
No Fuss
Eat in Town

Kaptain Kangaroo
07-01-2013, 22:37
Like most things, going stoveless is a personal thing. It works for me, but...........

Hiking is just an excuse for me to eat nothing but Power Bars & Instant Breakfast !!!!!
And I have to confess to a liking for uncooked ramen noodles mix with the seasoning powder & olive oil...........

My family would probably stage some kind of intervention if they caught me eating like that at home !

Big Dawg
07-01-2013, 23:55
Nice write-up Mags!

I went stoveless for the first time on a recent section hike, and loved it. Didn't miss the hot meal at all.

johnnybgood
07-02-2013, 11:30
Nice write-up Mags!

I went stoveless for the first time on a recent section hike, and loved it. Didn't miss the hot meal at all.

+1 especially in the hot summer months. Pre-cooked bacon, lettuce, shredded cheese & onions with mayo on a soft tortilla is what I'm talking about. It's good for the money !