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Pedaling Fool
06-29-2013, 08:49
I saw this article this morning and it concerns a man that I have much respect for, yet I believe in this instance he may be wrong and so I side with the DNR on this, despite having a ton of respect for Dr. Rogers. I hate dilemmas.

http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-minn-denies-bear-researchers-permit-211906543.html



APNewsBreak: Minn. denies bear researcher's permit



ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) — A renowned bear researcher known to hand-feed the animals and broadcast the birth of cubs over the Internet lost his Minnesota permit Friday to do his close-up studies.

The Minnesota Department of Natural Resources informed 74-year-old Lynn Rogers that he wouldn't get a new permit to radio-collar wild bears or videotape them in their dens.

In a letter to Rogers from DNR Commissioner Tom Landwehr, the agency said it had repeatedly warned the researcher, who is based in Ely, Minn., of concerns about public safety because the wild bears were becoming too comfortable approaching humans. Rogers has been licensed to do his technology-assisted research on wild bears since 1999.

Rogers has until July 31 to remove the collars. He still has a game farm permit for an education center where he has domesticated bears.
"Because of these ongoing concerns, it is clear the potential benefit of published research is greatly outweighed by our continuing concerns for public safety," Landwehr wrote. He adds that there are documented incidents of "extremely unprofessional behavior with research bears" by Rogers.

Rogers said he considers the allegations "unfounded" and fears the action imperils his research.

"It's the end of my career, a 46-year career," Rogers told The Associated Press, adding: "It's a kill-the-messenger type of thing they're doing."

He disputes that he's jeopardizing humans with his methods. Rogers said getting close to bears, as he has, is essential to studying the biology of interactions between bears and humans. Without radio collars, Rogers said he doesn't think he will be able to adequately track the same bears in a way that allows him to build up trust.

Rogers' work gained a following far outside Minnesota after he began placing cameras to monitor bears and beamed their feeds to the Internet. Thousands of people watched live as one bear, Lily, gave birth to a cub named Hope, and a corresponding Facebook page drew more than 100,000 likes.

DNR officials said 50 wild bears are under Rogers' supervision, with about a dozen collared at any time.

"These bears are putting their noses in cars. They're going onto peoples' porches. They're coming into their backyards," said Lou Cornicelli, the DNR's wildlife research manager. "A conservation officer had to kill a bear that went into a garage and wouldn't leave."

The DNR also questioned whether Rogers has produced adequate peer-reviewed published research from the bear studies, which Rogers also disputed.

Cornicelli said the decision is not open to appeal, and Rogers said he didn't know if there was any legal recourse. So he plans to reluctantly comply.

"If you try to continue when they pull your permit, you just get arrested," Rogers said.

Wise Old Owl
06-29-2013, 09:52
http://www.bearstudy.org/website/

Marta
06-29-2013, 10:10
There is an essential difference between being a wildlife biologist and being a zookeeper. While zookeepers come to know the nature of animals very deeply, the animals they are interacting with are not wild. I have to agree with DNR, too.

HooKooDooKu
06-29-2013, 11:43
I don't see the dilemma. It simply sounds like a well intention-ed animal lover/researcher that has allowed himself to get too close to the subjects he's researching. Therefore, I can understand the DNR's point of view that he's no longer acting in a strict "professional" manner. As best as I can gleam from the story, the DNR tried to warn the guy he was going beyond the "professional" line, yet apparently did nothing to address the DNR's concerns.

Tuckahoe
06-29-2013, 12:36
I don't see the dilemma. It simply sounds like a well intention-ed animal lover/researcher that has allowed himself to get too close to the subjects he's researching. Therefore, I can understand the DNR's point of view that he's no longer acting in a strict "professional" manner. As best as I can gleam from the story, the DNR tried to warn the guy he was going beyond the "professional" line, yet apparently did nothing to address the DNR's concerns.

Thats my take as well.

Pedaling Fool
06-30-2013, 08:20
I don't see the dilemma. It simply sounds like a well intention-ed animal lover/researcher that has allowed himself to get too close to the subjects he's researching. Therefore, I can understand the DNR's point of view that he's no longer acting in a strict "professional" manner. As best as I can gleam from the story, the DNR tried to warn the guy he was going beyond the "professional" line, yet apparently did nothing to address the DNR's concerns.
I see connections all the time.

By “dilemma” what I was thinking about are the times I’ve had to take an opposite side of someone I liked. A lot of times this isn’t such a big deal, but when one is thoroughly entrenched in a way of thinking or if one has made extraordinary claims to support his position, this usually happens when someone argues with another person that they have a personal dislike for, that’s when dilemmas begin. If you’re not careful, you can turn a friend into an enemy in these situations.

Under those conditions it can be very tough sometimes having to tell a friend they are wrong. I wonder how many of his colleagues are feeling this dilemma?

Pedaling Fool
01-09-2014, 09:40
I've often wondered about the phenomenon of certain animals that don't show a natural fear of people and now this guy is looking into it, pretty interesting...So I wonder, what's the dilemma on these islands with petting these animals...

http://www.nature.com/news/islands-make-animals-tamer-1.14462

kayak karl
01-09-2014, 09:48
sometimes you need to agree to disagree. i friendship should be able to withstand this!

moldy
01-09-2014, 10:21
How much actual science do we get out of this project anyway? Reminds me of my favorite fishing hole in Upper Michigan. I had been fishing there since about 1956. Every few years I would go back and catch a mess of brook trout. A few years back, I go up there and, signs all over the place, no fishing, State biologist research program." Come to find out the next year, that it is just some college boy's homework project. He had convinced the DNR that he needed to close a portion of the river to fishing so he could redo some study that had been redone a thousand times over.

Pedaling Fool
01-09-2014, 15:10
How much actual science do we get out of this project anyway? Reminds me of my favorite fishing hole in Upper Michigan. I had been fishing there since about 1956. Every few years I would go back and catch a mess of brook trout. A few years back, I go up there and, signs all over the place, no fishing, State biologist research program." Come to find out the next year, that it is just some college boy's homework project. He had convinced the DNR that he needed to close a portion of the river to fishing so he could redo some study that had been redone a thousand times over.How much actual science out of all research....? Not much according to this article, which I believe is somewhat accurate. http://www.forbes.com/sites/henrymiller/2014/01/08/the-trouble-with-scientific-research-today-a-lot-thats-published-is-junk/


Title: The Trouble With 'Scientific' Research Today: A Lot That's Published Is Junk


However, it's still important to do; all we can do is attempt to improve this process. One day we'll get it. If you think about it, we're (us humans) kind of new to all this science stuff.