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hikerboy57
07-22-2013, 20:13
i figured this is the type of thread that would be of interest to kayak karl.
seriously, i was thinking that over the years, my shoe weight has declined as my tent weight has declined.my shoes weigh 24.4 ounces, and my new tent weighs 30oz.
what about you =your shoes or your tent-which is heavier?

Andrew Ferk
07-22-2013, 20:35
Considering the weight when they were new, my tent is heavier.

Tent - TarpTent Contrail - 24.5 oz
Shoes - Soloman Sense Ultra - 20 oz

The other two pair of shoes I've been wearing on the trail were even less weight.

FiveFingers Spyridon LS - 14 oz
New Balance Minimus Trail - 12.5 oz

coach lou
07-22-2013, 20:54
Anything I wear or carry can only be posted in 'Heavy thinking with Tipi Walter':D By user agreement I am not allowed in UltraLite threads!

Sandy of PA
07-22-2013, 20:56
Shoes are heavier but not by much!

hikerboy57
07-22-2013, 20:59
now wait a minute. if you're not gonna post the weights, how are the rest of us supposed to pass judgement?

coach lou
07-22-2013, 21:03
OK, I can take it..............but my boots are old and I don't remember what the model is, they are Garmonts though.

Hill Ape
07-22-2013, 21:05
not sure but i'm betting the shoes, keen targhees compared to a shires virga.

Just Bill
07-22-2013, 21:06
Shoes- Ultra Lone Peak, size twelve- pair- 25 oz. Homemade Solo freestanding tent- 34 oz. (poles stakes etc. included) Just got a bundle of materials from quest outfitters: hoping to even that up with my new tent design. Interesting observation!

hikerboy57
07-22-2013, 21:08
Shoes- Ultra Lone Peak, size twelve- pair- 25 oz. Homemade Solo freestanding tent- 34 oz. (poles stakes etc. included) Just got a bundle of materials from quest outfitters: hoping to even that up with my new tent design. Interesting observation!
interesting?maybe.
what about intriguing?

rocketsocks
07-22-2013, 21:10
Ok, I'll play...I mean what the heck, I've got threads I've subscribed to that tell me where to get those little plastic things on the end of your glasses...the me'noodle..so why not.

tent.....2lb 10oz trail weight
boots...3lb 2oz less custom ortho's

kayak karl
07-22-2013, 21:11
got me to weight my shoes :) sz 13 Merrell 39 oz. vs. hammock 16 oz tarp 8 oz

rocketsocks
07-22-2013, 21:12
interesting?maybe.
what about intriguing?


I still don't get the point of the thread???...little help!

coach lou
07-22-2013, 21:13
I used the bathroom scale....................Garmont leather boots...4lbs.

The Hooch- 8X10 sil-nylon tarp, surplus net, ground cloth and cordage......4lbs

rocketsocks
07-22-2013, 21:13
got me to weight my shoes :) 39 oz. vs. hammock 16 oz tarp 8 ozCould that have been the point....like a fiddle, HB you stinker!

leaftye
07-22-2013, 21:14
Even my barely there Altra Adam's (http://birthdayshoes.com/altra-adam-review-minimalist-barefoot-shoes) weigh more than my tent.

coach lou
07-22-2013, 21:14
I need a bigger pack!

hikerboy57
07-22-2013, 21:16
I still don't get the point of the thread???...little help!
my old boots lowa renegade gtxs weighed in around 4.5 lbs, myeureka dont remember the style was around 4.5 or 5lbs. when i bought the big agnesfly creek, my shoes were keen targhees, and again they weighed in roughly around the same 2.25 lbs. now im in lasporiva raptors and i just got the lightheart solong6 and unsurprisingly, they weigh about the same. like agent gibbs, i dont believe in coincidences

coach lou
07-22-2013, 21:19
thank goodness I got that Snow peak pot to lighten my load

rocketsocks
07-22-2013, 21:20
my old boots lowa renegade gtxs weighed in around 4.5 lbs, myeureka dont remember the style was around 4.5 or 5lbs. when i bought the big agnesfly creek, my shoes were keen targhees, and again they weighed in roughly around the same 2.25 lbs. now im in lasporiva raptors and i just got the lightheart solong6 and unsurprisingly, they weigh about the same. like agent gibbs, i dont believe in coincidences
aaaaah, a conspiracy...nice!

Drybones
07-22-2013, 21:24
40 oz shoes......26 oz tent.

hikerboy57
07-22-2013, 21:25
40 oz shoes......26 oz tent.
jeez-what size do you wear?

R1ma
07-22-2013, 21:32
Shoes - 707g. New Balance MT572, size 11
Shelter - 1334g. Hennessey Expedition w/ fly

So 25 oz vs. 47 oz

rocketsocks
07-22-2013, 21:35
Could that have been the point....like a fiddle, HB you stinker!
huh, jokes on me.:o

hikerboy57
07-22-2013, 21:36
huh, jokes on me.:o
no.
its not.

rocketsocks
07-22-2013, 21:36
Considering the weight when they were new, my tent is heavier.

Tent - TarpTent Contrail - 24.5 oz
Shoes - Soloman Sense Ultra - 20 oz

The other two pair of shoes I've been wearing on the trail were even less weight.

FiveFingers Spyridon LS - 14 oz
New Balance Minimus Trail - 12.5 oz
Sorry for the drift, but Andrew, did you go run with the Bulls in Spain this year, was that you that wrote that thread?

hobbs
07-22-2013, 21:37
Salomins 3 d 24oz
Tarptent virga 210z

rocketsocks
07-22-2013, 21:38
no.
its not.

it's not:-?....now I'm totally confused, I'm really struggling with this one, sometimes it's the easy ones that git cha.:D

hikerboy57
07-22-2013, 21:39
it's not:-?....now I'm totally confused, I'm really struggling with this one, sometimes it's the easy ones that git cha.:D
i sometimes think in layers

rocketsocks
07-22-2013, 21:41
i sometimes think in layers

I goin back to my stool :D it's relatively safe there.

Just Bill
07-22-2013, 21:42
my old boots lowa renegade gtxs weighed in around 4.5 lbs, myeureka dont remember the style was around 4.5 or 5lbs. when i bought the big agnesfly creek, my shoes were keen targhees, and again they weighed in roughly around the same 2.25 lbs. now im in lasporiva raptors and i just got the lightheart solong6 and unsurprisingly, they weigh about the same. like agent gibbs, i dont believe in coincidences
NOW it's intriguing! Forget big 3, ignore big 4. Hikerboy's backpacking mathematical theorem; Shoe weight=shelter weight, regardless of overall system weight in a harmonious kit. You may spark a new revolution in the sport! Excellent work. (Was that agent Barry, Maurice or Robin Gibbs you were quoting?)

moytoy
07-22-2013, 21:46
Nemo OBi 1P 32 oz with ti stakes
NB 814's 25 oz I bought 3 pair three years ago and the last pair will need replacement by Sept. I will have to find another shoe style.

rocketsocks
07-22-2013, 21:48
NOW it's intriguing! Forget big 3, ignore big 4. Hikerboy's backpacking mathematical theorem; Shoe weight=shelter weight, regardless of overall system weight in a harmonious kit. You may spark a new revolution in the sport! Excellent work. (Was that agent Barry, Maurice or Robin Gibbs you were quoting?)


Wait, are you saying Bill...That I bought a pack, and it dosen't come with straps, and isn't waterproof...did the manufacturer suppose that someone would want to take it out side from time to time...maybe even go camping with it.
Bill Bryson~A Walk in the Woods

Rasty
07-22-2013, 21:54
Anyone know how much a pair of size 11 Moab ventilators weigh?

hikerboy57
07-22-2013, 21:55
Anyone know how much a pair of size 11 Moab ventilators weigh?
this isnt a quiz. tell us the answer

Kookork
07-22-2013, 22:02
La Sportiva Wildcat 25 Oz
Lightheart SoLong 6 : 31 oz+ footprint 5 Oz + stakes 4 oz = 40 Oz

But since a pound of weight on foot equals around 4 pounds on backpack seems my shoes is 2.5 times heavier than my tent which does not make sense:) .I need a lighter shoes or heavier tent so Lightheart SoLong 6 for sale , anybody?:D .

Gray Blazer
07-22-2013, 22:03
I sleep in my shoes.

Rasty
07-22-2013, 22:11
Anyone know how much a pair of size 11 Moab ventilators weigh?
this isnt a quiz. tell us the answer

I was delegating.

Gypsyphoenix
07-22-2013, 22:36
I was delegating.
I have a womens size 9 and they are 32 oz if I'm not mistaken.

Rasty
07-22-2013, 22:45
I was delegating.
I have a womens size 9 and they are 32 oz if I'm not mistaken.

Shoes are lighter then my tent by 8 ounces. Thanks.

The Ace
07-22-2013, 22:52
Seriously, people, you need to find something to do with yourselves.

By the way: A pair of size of 11 wide non-GTX regular-cut Moab Ventilators weighs 39.4 ounces. However, you can reduce the weight by cutting off the tang on the top of the heels (19.4 grams), replacing the laces with 2.2 mm Dyneema fiber cord (12.2 grams), and pulling off the little yellow Vibram label on the bottom of the shoes (3.3 grams). For ultralighters you can cut the remaining weight in half by wearing only one shoe.

Just Bill
07-22-2013, 22:54
Merrell quotes them at a pound and a half each- 3 pounds even for the pair- probably more for your size 11's there fella. Looks like your shoes are 8 ounces more than your tent, unless of course you forgot to count your stakes and lines- making them eerily similar in weight....intriguing.

Gypsyphoenix
07-22-2013, 22:56
For ultralighters you can cut the remaining weight in half by wearing only one shoe.
...and thats how I know its bed time!

hikerboy57
07-22-2013, 23:00
Seriously, people, you need to find something to do with yourselves.

By the way: A pair of size of 11 wide non-GTX regular-cut Moab Ventilators weighs 39.4 ounces. However, you can reduce the weight by cutting off the tang on the top of the heels (19.4 grams), replacing the laces with 2.2 mm Dyneema fiber cord (12.2 grams), and pulling off the little yellow Vibram label on the bottom of the shoes (3.3 grams). For ultralighters you can cut the remaining weight in half by wearing only one shoe.
you sound like a tarp and tyvek moccasin kinda guy

MuddyWaters
07-22-2013, 23:03
shoes weigh about 26 oz
Tent weighs about 17 oz

Rasty
07-22-2013, 23:03
Merrell quotes them at a pound and a half each- 3 pounds even for the pair- probably more for your size 11's there fella. Looks like your shoes are 8 ounces more than your tent, unless of course you forgot to count your stakes and lines- making them eerily similar in weight....intriguing.

Never weighed the shoes. REI quotes 2#14oz. Tent is 40 ounces with everything. Need new shoes.

hikerboy57
07-22-2013, 23:05
Never weighed the shoes. REI quotes 2#14oz. Tent is 40 ounces with everything. Need new shoes.
your doing it wrong

Rasty
07-22-2013, 23:08
Seriously, people, you need to find something to do with yourselves.

By the way: A pair of size of 11 wide non-GTX regular-cut Moab Ventilators weighs 39.4 ounces. However, you can reduce the weight by cutting off the tang on the top of the heels (19.4 grams), replacing the laces with 2.2 mm Dyneema fiber cord (12.2 grams), and pulling off the little yellow Vibram label on the bottom of the shoes (3.3 grams). For ultralighters you can cut the remaining weight in half by wearing only one shoe.

Just use the right shoe for left turning trails.

Just Bill
07-22-2013, 23:29
Just use the right shoe for left turning trails.

Sigh...Southerners...Nascar...grumble, mumble.

Rasty
07-22-2013, 23:40
Just use the right shoe for left turning trails.

Sigh...Southerners...Nascar...grumble, mumble.

Transplant from NY.

Dogwood
07-23-2013, 00:12
No tent mostly tarp. My typical tarp set up is about 13 -14 oz complete and few prs of trail runners way less than that so my trail runners way more.

Edro
07-23-2013, 06:31
if you list your weights only in oz's does that make it lighter?

hikerboy57
07-23-2013, 06:32
if you list your weights only in oz's does that make it lighter? no you have to go to grams

Edro
07-23-2013, 06:46
math is sooo hard... now i have to remember my goesintas...

dmax
07-23-2013, 10:14
Shoes are MUCH heavier

Hexamid Tarp and Stakes = 145g
Keen Newport H2 Sandles = 893g

Train Wreck
07-23-2013, 11:12
My boots weigh exactly 127 pounds! I would never have believed it! I stood on the scales twice to be sure!

I learned something new today :banana

Tipi Walter
07-23-2013, 11:13
Anything I wear or carry can only be posted in 'Heavy thinking with Tipi Walter':D By user agreement I am not allowed in UltraLite threads!

Like you I have been gang-reprimanded to stay out of the Ultralight section but this is in the General section so I think we are safe. Anyway, here are my numbers---

Asolo Fugitives size 10 wide---3 lbs 8 oz.
Hilleberg Keron tent---8 lbs 10 oz.

Clearly the tent is heavier.:)

Rasty
07-23-2013, 11:24
Like you I have been gang-reprimanded to stay out of the Ultralight section but this is in the General section so I think we are safe. Anyway, here are my numbers---

Asolo Fugitives size 10 wide---3 lbs 8 oz.
Hilleberg Keron tent---8 lbs 10 oz.

Clearly the tent is heavier.:)

You are in need of much heavier boots. I suggest a set of Ski Boots

Venchka
07-23-2013, 12:17
Anyone know how much a pair of size 11 Moab ventilators weigh?

My size 9 low cut Ventilators weigh 1 lb. 14 oz. The high tops weigh 2 pounds. Extrapolate.

OK. This is bordering on the dumbest thing that I have ever done. One has to set the bar somewhere.

The North Face Bullfrog: not weighed as yet. Guesstimating 6 lbs. and change.
A tie:
Pivetta 5, size 9: 4 lbs.
Garuda Atman: 4 lbs.

Asolo 520 GTX: 3 lbs. 12 oz.

Another tie:
Ancient REI Summerlite 32 down bag (scheduled for replacement): 3 lbs. 3 oz.
Western Mountaineering Antelope Dry Loft 0 down bag: 3 lbs. 3 oz.

Antique Thermarest Ultrlight 1" sleeping pad (also scheduled for replacement): 1 lb. 12 oz.

MSR Heptawing tarp, complete: 1 lb. 3 oz.

Kitchen, complete less fuel: 1 lb. 2 oz.

Rivendell Mountain Works Jensen frameless backpack
or
Dana Design Arc Flex Terraplane backpack
To carry all of the above: Weightless & Priceless.
I have actually weighed both packs. I find nothing on the market today, from wispy little sacks to one of Dan McHale's custom creations, to temp me to replace either backpack.

That didn't turn out so dumb after all.

YMMV.

Wayne

Dogwood
07-23-2013, 18:10
Some of you have shoe wts that rival the total wt of my Big 3. Seriously!

Rasty
07-23-2013, 18:12
Some of you have shoe wts that rival the total wt of my Big 3. Seriously!

According to the ratio set forth in this thread, you are officially doing it wrong. :)

Venchka
07-23-2013, 18:31
Some of you have shoe wts that rival the total wt of my Big 3. Seriously!

Bring it on. Inquiring minds want to know.

My Moab low cut Ventilators are 1 lb. 14 oz. A proven Thru-Hiking shoe.
I also have a pair of Keen Newport sandals that tip the scales at 1 lb. 5 oz.
Your Big 3 must be very light indeed.

Wayne

Sarcasm the elf
07-23-2013, 19:46
i figured this is the type of thread that would be of interest to kayak karl.
seriously, i was thinking that over the years, my shoe weight has declined as my tent weight has declined.my shoes weigh 24.4 ounces, and my new tent weighs 30oz.
what about you =your shoes or your tent-which is heavier?

Are you looking for a dry weight measured in the comfort of my kitchen, of the actual weight of each after hiking through three days of bad weather and stream crossings?

Another Kevin
07-23-2013, 20:12
The tent is heavier than the boots, I'll do something about that the next time I have the money to do something about that. (I have an REI half-dome, bought when almost all my hiking was with my kid. Looking at a Tarptent.) It's bearable, but it's certainly the most obvious place right now for me to trim gear weight.

The boots are heavier than what most hikers wear. I still wear old-school full-leather construction-worker boots, 6 inch tops, at least in cold weather or in the kind of rock that I usually encounter where I hike. I'm ok in trail runners for easier day trips, but I wind up making hamburger of my toes if I wear them for backpacks or bushwhacks. The one weight concession that I make is that the toes are titanium rather than steel. They fit my crampons and snowshoes well. My current pair aren't going to make it through another winter, and I'm kind of dreading breaking in new ones.

Kerosene
07-24-2013, 10:43
My Montrail Hardrock's weigh in at 35.84 ounces (dry).

My old SMD Lunar Solo with polycro groundcloth and stakes weighs in at 32.41 ounces.

My zPacks Hexamid Twin peaked tarp with Cuben floor and stakes (no netting) weighs in at 13.10 ounces.

The boots are heavier in all cases. I'm looking at the Inov-8 Terroc 330's, which come in at 23.2 ounces.

coach lou
07-24-2013, 10:45
My Montrail Hardrock's weigh in at 35.84 ounces (dry).

My old SMD Lunar Solo with polycro groundcloth and stakes weighs in at 32.41 ounces.

My zPacks Hexamid Twin peaked tarp with Cuben floor and stakes (no netting) weighs in at 13.10 ounces.

The boots are heavier in all cases. I'm looking at the Inov-8 Terroc 330's, which come in at 23.2 ounces.
I like that floor, I may add it to the Hooch!

Doctari
07-27-2013, 13:01
My tarp (It is HUGE @ 13.5' X 10') at 32 Oz, add the hammock @ about 20 Oz & My 25 Oz boots are feather weight.
And, if we are talking suspension & stakes (I can, rarely do, use 10 stakes to tie out the tarp!): Well, I'd rather not know to be honest.
Drat, I figured it out anyway: add 1 Oz per stake, & as my hammock takes 2, I sometimes carry 12*. Plus about 6 Oz for the hammock suspension & OMG!


*Usually only 6 unless really bad weather is expected.

Dogwood
07-27-2013, 14:20
Anyone know how much a pair of size 11 Moab ventilators weigh?


Merrell quotes them at a pound and a half each- 3 pounds even for the pair- probably more for your size 11's there fella. Looks like your shoes are 8 ounces more than your tent, unless of course you forgot to count your stakes and lines- making them eerily similar in weight....intriguing.

It depends on what Moab Ventilator version you have, They are made in: low cut, mid cut, wides, Goretex GTX WP, non WP, and XCR versions and combinations of those features which change the wt of the version but as a baseline the low cut Moab Ventilators that are WP with a Gore Tex liner are quoted as being 24 ozs(1 lb 8 oz) for the pr and it's my guess, that quoted wt is for mens size 9 or 10 reg(not wides). Those same versions in size 11 would probably be about 25-26 oz(1 lb 9-10 oz). Obviously, mid cuts weigh slightly more and a non WP version weighs slightly less. I've bought several prs of Moab Ventilator low cut non WP Ventilators and used them on a few different hikes. I've gotten into the habit of always doing my footwear research knowing shoe specs, including the wt for my size and version desired, before I even start considering purchasing them. It saves me a lot of time chasing down and trying on size 14 shoes that aren't appropriate and avoids the mismatching of my shoes with my feet, stride characteristics, intended usage, hiking conditions, etc. I knew no matter what version you have they don't weigh 3 + lbs a pr!

Dogwood
07-27-2013, 14:48
Anyone know how much a pair of size 11 Moab ventilators weigh?


Never weighed the shoes. REI quotes 2#14oz. Tent is 40 ounces with everything. Need new shoes.

Doesn't REI quote them as 1 lb 14 ozs? - NOT 2 lbs 14 oz? The quote I gave came directly from Merrell but yet Merrell may be quoting the pr wt on a very small size shoe to make it appear they weigh less than what's typical for most males.

Dogwood
07-27-2013, 15:15
Bring it on. Inquiring minds want to know.

My Moab low cut Ventilators are 1 lb. 14 oz. A proven Thru-Hiking shoe.
I also have a pair of Keen Newport sandals that tip the scales at 1 lb. 5 oz.
Your Big 3 must be very light indeed.

Wayne

Heck NO. My Big 3 are never that low in wt as your shoe wt. I was comparing my Big 3 to some of those who hike in Herman Munster 3lb + shoes

Big 3

pack - ULA CDT 19 oz(has all the features I want too, this isn't a bare bones minimalist fall apart after one thru-hike pack, straps trimmed down a bit, the last time I weighed my CDT packs at 19 oz they were all grimy/dirty in used condition which possibly made the wt an ounce or two higher)

shelter - cuben tarp w/ stakes, guylines, polycro ground sheet, and dedicated tarp poles weighs 14 oz(*if I wanted I could fudge a bit and take the 2.4 oz tarp pole wt out and say I use trekking poles but since I don't normally use trekking poles I've included those additional 2.4 dedicated tarp pole ozs)

sleeping - WM Highlite Long 17 oz(I regularly take it down to 25*) + 5 oz CCF pad or NeoAir shortie(about 9 oz) = 22-26 ozs

19 + 14 + 22(26) = 55(61) ozs or 3 lbs 4 oz(3 lbs 8 oz)

And, not to get into a UL pissing contest I could shave off about another 10 ozs quite easily but this kit set up works for me so why change what works to save 10 oz when I know it's not going to make a shartload of difference in my hiking abilities.

markdek
07-27-2013, 15:16
My shoes: Oboz Wilderness II...........are heavier
Ten: Fly Creek UL2

Just Bill
07-27-2013, 16:22
Dogwood- you actually just quoted your big 4, you SUL superstar!:cool: For the rest of us (me included) a lesson learned or reinforced- Shoe weight is goddarn tricky. MOST shoes are listed by half pair (per shoe) Common sense should have dictated that Moab should be around 2pounds, but a quick look on my part prevailed. REI does kindly list them per pair. Merrell lists the Moabs and many of their shoes (at least in their current web lineup/design) as per pair with the exception of the lighter shoes marketed to runners (the rest of the shoe industry) per half pair. Oddly, they call out the light shoes as being weighed per shoe, but simply list a weight for the shoes weighed per pair. So bottom line, careful when quoting anything other than the scale. REI should be a good cross reference but as we all know the days of them putting their own data on there(as opposed to using the Manufacturers quotes) are long gone.

snifur
07-27-2013, 16:43
how do shoes and tents compare? you dont wear your tent on your feet and sleep in your shoe. and if you hike barefoot and carry the shoe then the shoe is likely not needed, or maybe you hike with a spare pair of shoes? seriously though i dont understand the comparison in weight. shoes are on the feet and not carried and balanced on hips so the weight is not a true carried factor. there are more variables too. season, terrain, trail etc all factor into gear weights. and if weight is a huge concern for the shoe then shoelaces should be replaced with braided floss. that should save significant weight especially when the laces are wet. opt for the mint floss to mask odor and repel mice.

hikerboy57
07-27-2013, 17:25
go back to the beginningand reread the threadI don't know how I want to know why there seems to be a correlation between shoe weight and tent weight

Gray Blazer
07-27-2013, 20:22
My boots weigh exactly 127 pounds! I would never have believed it! I stood on the scales twice to be sure!

I learned something new today :banana

Showoff. You now are much hated by a lot of women.

QiWiz
07-28-2013, 19:00
My shelter (Zpacks hexamid) weighs less than ONE of my shoes, which are not heavy boots but mesh trail runners. Just sayin'

Khike
07-28-2013, 20:32
Might as well get into this, t's sure to get someone going..... Boots. Keen Erickson PCT's-68 ozs! that's 3.25lbs! Tarptent Contrail with ground cloth, 29 ozs, in the bag. I think I'm in the Hermann Munster group. Size 13! Ok, go ahead, I'm ready. kk

Drybones
07-29-2013, 20:35
Might as well get into this, t's sure to get someone going..... Boots. Keen Erickson PCT's-68 ozs! that's 3.25lbs! Tarptent Contrail with ground cloth, 29 ozs, in the bag. I think I'm in the Hermann Munster group. Size 13! Ok, go ahead, I'm ready. kk

Size 13 isn't bad, that's what I wear. Big is the person looking for help finding size 16 EEEE. I started to ask how many cows had to be sacrificed to make him a pair of shoes but was affraid I might offend. It was amazing how much easier hiking became when I traded in the 4.25 lb leather boots for trail runners.

Venchka
07-29-2013, 21:51
Thanks, Dogwood. Your kit is a reasonable target to aim for.
I do need a new slepping bag and pad. I am currently thinking about a 20 degree bag at 29 ounces. I will expand the search to include a lighter bag. A NeoAir is also on my list. The new sleeping system will save considerable weight over my current antiques.
My trekking pole supported tarp is a few ounces heavier than yours. Not enough to justify the expense of a new tarp in my mind.
I'm not prepared to entertain a new pack yet. I'll wait to see how the new sleeping system and tarp work with my current 48 ounce pack. "If it ain't broke, don't fix itm"
One more time, as weighed by me on a digital scale;
1 pair, base model, no Gore-Tex, men's size 9, low cut, Merrell Ventilators = 1 lb. 14 ounces.
The size 9.5, mid-cut, over the ankle, plain Ventilators sitting next to the low cuts, on the same scale, weigh: 2 pounds.
YMMV.
Now, for a bIt of thread drift:
An all weather tent for 1, or preferrably 2, that weighs less than my 3 lb. 12 ounce boots. What say Ye?

Wayne

Meriadoc
07-29-2013, 22:15
Haha. I'll bite. Cause it's fun.

Shoes: ~10 ounces for the pair of Luna sandals
Tent: ~32 ounces plus 8 stakes (~35 ounces) Lightheart Duo Standard
or
Tarp: ~17 ounces plus 4 stakes (~19 ounces) OES MacCat Deluxe with accessories

Dogwood
07-30-2013, 01:53
"... shoes are on the feet and not carried and balanced on hips so the weight is not a true carried factor."

Good luck with that one with gram weenies. Have you ever heard of skin out weight? How about every oz on your feet is like an extra x ant of ounces on your back? How about how it relates to and may be similar in some respects to trekking pole use?

Ohh, I detect a gram weenie in the making with this next suggestion.

"...then shoelaces should be replaced with braided floss. that should save significant weight especially when the laces are wet. opt for the mint floss to mask odor and repel mice.:

I had already considered this and used to change my heavier wt stock laces on a few prs of hiking shoes to stronger thinner and lighter wt laces that didn't absorb the water. With even my longer heavier stock laces the wt difference(savings) isn't all that much less with the lighter wt laces that i found(less than 1 oz). Yeah I noted the wt differences between different laces. I'm in UL therapy. Never thought of soaking my laces in mint oil though. Besides, some trail runner manufacturers like Solomon already have water repelling UL Kevlar lacing systems which aren't much thicker than several; strands of twisted dental floss. I'm skeptical about how well twisted dental floss would work in practice for laces anyhow. I like that you're brainstorming about this stuff though.

Odd Man Out
07-30-2013, 16:37
[QUOTE=Dogwood;1508742]"... shoes are on the feet and not carried and balanced on hips so the weight is not a true carried factor."

Good luck with that one with gram weenies. Have you ever heard of skin out weight? How about every oz on your feet is like an extra x ant of ounces on your back? How about how it relates to and may be similar in some respects to trekking pole use?

You often hear 1 lb on your feet equal 5 lbs on your back. Here is a page that reviews some of the research:

http://www.fjaderlatt.se/2009/11/weight-on-your-feet.html

However, it is also been shown that carrying weight on your head is easier than on your back. Such effects might be reasonable to consider when evaluating the weight vs function of gear choices.

snifur
07-30-2013, 16:48
However, it is also been shown that carrying weight on your head is easier than on your back. Such effects might be reasonable to consider when evaluating the weight vs function of gear choices.

Yes, carrying weight on ones head may be easier for some. not sure that i would be able to balance my pack on my head. would a strap system need to be installed to keep the pack centered on ones head? maybe dogwood can come up with an UL kevlar strap that is dual purposed to replace shoe laces, lanyards, and guylines.