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Sunshine82
10-16-2013, 03:36
In today's crazy economy and world,does anyone else feel like going to live on the trail?theres so much pressure to achieve certain ranks that you can tend to feel smothered.
Tuckahoe
10-16-2013, 07:36
No, personally I am happy very happy in the real world. I believe that if folks were to step back and examine what is happening in life, they would find that they are all too often the ones putting the pressure on themselves. Others have said this as well, but running off and escaping to the trail does not usually resolve the issue you are running from.
What is happening in your life that you are feeling smothered?
How would you "live on the trail" ?? it still requires money for food, gear replacement, ect.
slbirdnerd
10-16-2013, 08:48
Betting Sunshine is posting this question much like "don't you ever think about what it would be like to win the lottery?" We all have pressures, we all daydream... I see where she's coming from: carefree, living in nature. Anyone who does a long hike is living on the trail. Look at The Barefoot Sisters (I'm in the middle of "Walking Home" and they have been on trail 11 months--so far). I think it would be a nice sabbatical, and yes, I do think about it. It's not my reality though, but that big hike is in my future someday.
hikerboy57
10-16-2013, 08:54
wherever you go, there you are.
living on the trail is a nice escape from the commercialism that pervades our society. trail life is simple. you wake up , you eat and walk. eat some more, sleep, and do it all over again.you come to learn how little you need to be happy.how much easier life is when its simple. and thats the best lesson of trail life, to simplify your life, reduce your debt,live frugally, but without want.less can truly be more.
you can only escape temporarily, sooner or later you'll come off the trail, perhaps with a new perspective. the world can change, and it does with fresh perspective.no matter how far you walk, you cannot run away from yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEHOoENxssg
DeerPath
10-16-2013, 09:38
No, personally I am happy very happy in the real world. I believe that if folks were to step back and examine what is happening in life, they would find that they are all too often the ones putting the pressure on themselves. Others have said this as well, but running off and escaping to the trail does not usually resolve the issue you are running from.
What is happening in your life that you are feeling smothered?
Ditto..........
Pedaling Fool
10-16-2013, 09:45
Living on the trail is NOT living in nature. Your backpack with all your supplies, which you are very dependent on, keeps you well insulated from nature.
Only the strong survive in nature; nature will kill you if you don't kill and fight. Why people think nature is so benign is beyond me. There are no pressures of society that can be tougher than what nature throws at you.
If you lived on the trail you would trade things like bad commutes, stressful jobs, high bills for things like very cold nights, bad terrain and dangerous animals. Being on the trail is fun for awhile. But it's always nice to get back to the real world.
Odd Man Out
10-16-2013, 09:57
I think the secret is to bring a little of the trail mindset back with you to the real world.
HikerMom58
10-16-2013, 10:10
Living on the trail is something I wish I would love to do. But, I have a feeling I would end up hating it. I really enjoy the time I spend on the trail, now. It's just enough to keep me "hooked" on it.
I believe I know myself well enough to understand that I could not do a thru-hike. I would get tired of the trail before I got to the end.
slbirdnerd
10-16-2013, 15:30
Living on the trail is NOT living in nature. Your backpack with all your supplies, which you are very dependent on, keeps you well insulated from nature.
Only the strong survive in nature; nature will kill you if you don't kill and fight. Why people think nature is so benign is beyond me. There are no pressures of society that can be tougher than what nature throws at you.
I didn't say living "on" nature, nor did I say "at the mercy of" nature, I said living "in" nature... As opposed to, say, living in the city, or a suburb, or on a boat. You see nature the way you want (which is pretty scary, quite frankly), I'll see it the way I want.
daddytwosticks
10-16-2013, 16:01
To some of us caught in the current economic environment, living on the trail may be a great retirement plan! :)
Lone Wolf
10-16-2013, 16:03
In today's crazy economy and world,does anyone else feel like going to live on the trail?theres so much pressure to achieve certain ranks that you can tend to feel smothered.
99.9% of y'all couldn't do it. no way to charge your Ithingys
99.9% of y'all couldn't do it. no way to charge your Ithingys
I'm entitled to use any electrical outlet I see! :rolleyes:
max patch
10-16-2013, 16:53
If you are hiking in PA and you see an electrical outlet on someones porch can you recharge your phone? Is it a survival situation if you haven't checked your emails for 3 days?
hikerboy57
10-16-2013, 16:54
during the government shutdown, we're all in survival mode.
anything goes.
during the government shutdown, we're all in survival mode.
anything goes.
Your silly
hikerboy57
10-16-2013, 16:59
Your silly
wheres my water?
Yeah. I think about it a fair amount, though not because I feel "smothered" or otherwise troubled about living in a more normal way. I think I might actually enjoy it for a year or two. I may try it if I'm still so inclined after my thru hike, which looks like is shaping up as a traditional SOBO in about 3 years. I would term what I am contemplating more as staying in the woods, than living on the trail. Would definitely head to Florida Trail area in Winter. Fun to think about. Time will tell whether it will be fun to actually do.My smartass phone would be one of the things that would really help make it possible from the standpoint of having a lightweight info source for every need. Portable solar has come a long way and by 2016 will be even more capable and cheap. UL gear is the other factor that would make it even possible to enjoy such an extended time out. Hoboing has always held an appeal for me. Not without hardship, but what really is?
Blue Mountain Edward
10-16-2013, 17:21
Living on the AT is not feasable during the winter. The hardcore tramps head south to the Florida trail for the winter.
hikerboy57
10-16-2013, 17:27
Living on the AT is not feasable during the winter. The hardcore tramps head south to the Florida trail for the winter.
i have a few ancestors that were fur trappers, and ie always been fascinated with the exploration of the west, and the life of th mountain man. i used to havethis romantic notion that i should have grown up during that time, that i would have enjoyed living that much more than living in todays society.
i found out the avg life expectancy of a mountain man was 28 yrs old.i would have been dead 30 yrs ago.
Blue Mountain Edward
10-16-2013, 17:39
Dont forget to apply for EBT benefits. Food aint free you know.
Dont forget to apply for EBT benefits. Food aint free you know.
Food is free for every other wild creature, and was for humans too for at least tens of thousands of years. Things change.
"wherever you go, there you are". You can leave, move, visit, walk, return wherever you can and you are always there. You or I leave one place for another to do..............what?
"wherever you go, there you are". You can leave, move, visit, walk, return wherever you can and you are always there. You or I leave one place for another to do..............what?
To experience being in a different place?
Perfect! How many do this to change, well, them?
i sorta recall an old story about a gas station fellow in a small town with an expanding manufacturing business hiring folks locally and from afar. Two guys, from out of town, began to come by. One keep saying "folks around here are all just like the folks I used to live around back in ________". No one is nice. Everyone is stuck up. Not friendly at all. The other guy, a new neighbor and coworker, when asked how he liked the place always said "We love it hear, everyone is so nice, people here are just as friendly as the folks we left behind." Same folks. Different you.
Dont forget to apply for EBT benefits. Food aint free you know.
It is for some
moose717
10-16-2013, 20:32
Living on the trail is something I wish I would love to do. But, I have a feeling I would end up hating it. I really enjoy the time I spend on the trail, now. It's just enough to keep me "hooked" on it.
I believe I know myself well enough to understand that I could not do a thru-hike. I would get tired of the trail before I got to the end.
This is the same why I feel and I didn't know it until I did a NJ section hike last month. I thoroughly enjoyed the hike, but I realized that I like it in little bits. I like coming home to my family. I even enjoy coming back to my job because my hikes let me regroup and re-prioritize. There is nothing like being alone in the woods (and with those damn rocks) to make you appreciate what you have and what you can do without.:sun
kayak karl
10-16-2013, 22:26
threads like this, remind me of this......
https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/181490_10200618133968513_524185908_n.jpg
I like what Tuckahoe said, "I believe that if folks were to step back and examine what is happening in life, they would find that they are all too often the ones putting the pressure on themselves. Others have said this as well, but running off and escaping to the trail does not usually resolve the issue you are running from."
"What is happening in your life that you are feeling smothered?"
If you think all your problems are going to magically go away if you live on the trail in my experience that doesn't happen.
Sunshine, I suggest you watch One Man's Wilderness. It's still possible to live that way but it takes work and resources as Proenneke made abundantly clear.
“I have found that some of the simplest things have given me the most pleasure. They didn't cost me a lot of money either. They just worked on my senses. Did you ever pick very large blueberries after a summer rain Walk through a grove of cottonwoods, open like a park, and see the blue sky beyond the shimmering gold of the leaves? Pull on dry woolen socks after you've peeled off the wet ones? Come in out of the subzero and shiver yourself warm in front of a wood fire? The world is full of such things.”
― Richard Proenneke (http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/71812.Richard_Proenneke)
“Needs? I guess that is what bothers so many folks. They keep expanding their needs until they are dependent on too many things and too many other people... I wonder how many things in the average American home could be eliminated if the question were asked, "Must I really have this?" I guess most of the extras are chalked up to comfort or saving time.
Funny thing about comfort - one man's comfort is another man's misery. Most people do't work hard enough physically anymore, and comfort is not easy to find. It is surprising how comfortable a hard bunk can be after you come down off a mountain.”
― Richard Proenneke (http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/71812.Richard_Proenneke)
, One Man's Wilderness: An Alaskan Odyssey (http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/120103)
stranger
10-17-2013, 01:06
Just save up 20 grand and see how long you can go, an easy test with little consequence if it goes sour
Food is free for every other wild creature, and was for humans too for at least tens of thousands of years. Things change.
Well I don't know exactly what you mean by free but in my definition it definitely was not free. It took a great amount of time foraging, gathering, and hunting and preparing to do it, as Proenneke so amply demonstrates in his video. Some even perished doing it or not getting enough "free" food. Thing is folks often want it both ways - to be free from what they think of as the hassles(entrapments) of society(modern civilization) while enjoying some of its benefits. Some also mistakenly think that being free, truly free, entails lack of problems, commitments, and responsibilities. When faced with the possible attainment of true freedom on a longer term basis they would shortly shrink back because of the responsibilities it entails.
Well I don't know exactly what you mean by free but in my definition it definitely was not free. It took a great amount of time foraging, gathering, and hunting and preparing to do it, as Proenneke so amply demonstrates in his video. Some even perished doing it or not getting enough "free" food. Thing is folks often want it both ways - to be free from what they think of as the hassles(entrapments) of society(modern civilization) while enjoying some of its benefits. Some also mistakenly think that being free, truly free, entails lack of problems, commitments, and responsibilities. When faced with the possible attainment of true freedom on a longer term basis they would shortly shrink back because of the responsibilities it entails.
I mean free as in without monetary cost; No dinero...pas d'argent. Clearly nothing comes without effort. A bison must move from place to place in order to find forage while avoiding predation. A blind pig must rub his snout bloody to find his acorn. Both remain impecunious. Some humans do too, though very very few. Some report it to be a rewarding choice. None report it to be easy.
Tuckahoe
10-17-2013, 06:59
Its not a difficult concept though. Once you surrender your responsibility to provide your own food and expect someone else to do it for you, there will be a monetary cost. You want to be the sensitive cave painter rendering visions of manly hunters and big boobied cave chicks, well expect the manly hunter to rightfully expect something in return for the food he provides you.
Pedaling Fool
10-17-2013, 09:59
You see nature the way you want (which is pretty scary, quite frankly), I'll see it the way I want.I like to see nature the same way I like to see everything else, for what it is; I want to see reality, not "the way I want".
Nature is scary because that's how mother nature created it. Nature requires one to steal nutrients from another and there are no morals when it comes to stealing (I'm using the word "steal" as an euphemism for kill).
And most often it's the young that are easiest to steal from
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR6VyUmuVSo
If people would stop and think they'd see how humane it is to charge people money. Money is the root of all evil, but it's also the thing that makes a civilized society possible.
Pedaling Fool
10-17-2013, 10:02
Its not a difficult concept though. Once you surrender your responsibility to provide your own food and expect someone else to do it for you, there will be a monetary cost. You want to be the sensitive cave painter rendering visions of manly hunters and big boobied cave chicks, well expect the manly hunter to rightfully expect something in return for the food he provides you.Funny, because it's true :D
tscoffey
10-17-2013, 10:27
"Free" - only if you discount the time and effort required to kill, skin, sow, harvest, prepare, and cook the food. We now have people specialized in all of those aspects of food prepataion. Indeed, most of it is now mechanized. We use money to set a baseline value to the time and effort those specialized people use to use their skills. Before money, humans used bartering - but money is a more efficient method than bartering for exchaning goods and services.
Money is the root of all evil,
Actually, this is a common mis-quote.
To the best of my knowledge, the source of the quote is the Bible:
1 Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
(emphasis added)
In my dreams. Until I had a family.
Actually, this is a common mis-quote.
To the best of my knowledge, the source of the quote is the Bible:
1 Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
(emphasis added)
You got that right. Money is nothing but a temporary store of value. Nothing evil about that.
Pedaling Fool
10-17-2013, 16:51
Actually, this is a common mis-quote.
To the best of my knowledge, the source of the quote is the Bible:
1 Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
(emphasis added)I wasn't going for an exact quote, that's why I didn't use "" marks. But my intent was the same as what you quoted; I agree it's not the money, but the love of money and all material things at the expense of all else. Kind of like the saying, "Guns don't kill people; people kill people". Same exact principle, i.e. personal responsibility and accountability as well as a well disciplined approach to life.
However, don't jump on me if I got that quote wrong also:D
Sailing_Faith
10-17-2013, 20:12
wherever you go, there you are.
living on the trail is a nice escape from the commercialism that pervades our society. trail life is simple. you wake up , you eat and walk. eat some more, sleep, and do it all over again.you come to learn how little you need to be happy.how much easier life is when its simple. and thats the best lesson of trail life, to simplify your life, reduce your debt,live frugally, but without want.less can truly be more.
you can only escape temporarily, sooner or later you'll come off the trail, perhaps with a new perspective. the world can change, and it does with fresh perspective.no matter how far you walk, you cannot run away from yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEHOoENxssg
This is really a very good post HB.
I concur with Lone Wolf on this one................I often tell people that the "romantic notion" of hiking on the AT quickly disappears.
One like day two, rain, blisters, tough ups & downs, with a X pound pack, sleeping outside, no normal creature comforts..........hiking 8-10 hours every day.
There is a certain mental & physical toughness to this hobby. Thru hikers have my full and ultimate respect.
Google "Maine Hermit", now there is a person that perservered for a long, long time, albeit illegally.
fiddlehead
10-17-2013, 20:37
I don't know that the OP meant that you had to live without working.
I know someone who's on the trail at the moment, living/working (writing) and making money.
I could do the same if I didn't have a kid as my business only needs me to check in once or twice a day.
Yes, both of us need to charge batteries once in a while.
But, we have enough money to buy food.
But, do we have enough money to go to South America or somewhere near the southern hemisphere during winter?
Because that's what it would take IMO.
Wilderness is great, until it stays dark 16 hours a day (more in ME)
Solar chargers are getting better. But still not good enough.
Battery packs are heavy.
Hitting town once a week to resupply and recharge is necessary. Some could do it every 2 weeks. Not me.
I stayed out 14 days once and the pack was too heavy to make it enjoyable for long.
But it sure feels good to be in tune with nature.
"Nature is scary because that's how mother nature created it. Nature requires one to steal nutrients from another and there are no morals when it comes to stealing (I'm using the word "steal" as an euphemism for kill).
And most often it's the young that are easiest to steal from"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR6VyUmuVSo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR6VyUmuVSo)
Off topic but after reading Darwin's Origin of Species I started noticing there and elsewhere in Darwin's writings him talking more about cooperation rather than domination or survival of the fittest in nature which is what we mostly hear about regarding his work. There is NOT only this side of nature and natural selection that is this dog eat dog dominate at all costs survival of the fittest aspect. Species also survive, thrive. and evolve via cooperation. While survival of the fittest is one aspect of nature and is evident around us it's not the only side of nature. Darwin observed this regularly and as I take a closer look at nature I see cooperation among species vastly in evidence among both flora and fauna. I think we as a species often like attaching only to the survival of the fittest aspect because it validates selfishness, greed, Nationalism, and self righteousness.
Gonecampn
10-17-2013, 21:49
This is really a very good post HB.
So true :)
Sent from somewhere in the woods.
wherever you go, there you are.
living on the trail is a nice escape from the commercialism that pervades our society. trail life is simple. you wake up , you eat and walk. eat some more, sleep, and do it all over again.you come to learn how little you need to be happy.how much easier life is when its simple. and thats the best lesson of trail life, to simplify your life, reduce your debt,live frugally, but without want.less can truly be more.
you can only escape temporarily, sooner or later you'll come off the trail, perhaps with a new perspective. the world can change, and it does with fresh perspective.no matter how far you walk, you cannot run away from yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEHOoENxssg
That's contentment that comes through wisdom speaking. But Hikerboy does come from a long line of beaver and mink killers.
hikerboy57
10-17-2013, 22:25
That's contentment that comes through wisdom speaking. But Hikerboy does come from a long line of beaver and mink killers.
there were too many of them
hikerboy57
10-17-2013, 22:27
This is really a very good post HB.
happens once every four years
happens once every four years
Not every post is going to be jelly.
hikerboy57
10-17-2013, 22:29
Not every post is going to be jelly.
you're toast,buddy
HikerMom58
10-17-2013, 22:32
happens once every four years
Aww.. hikerboy57 you nailed it!! :D I think you "nail it" more than once every four years!! Luv ya!
Tuckahoe
10-17-2013, 22:44
happens once every four years
Aww.. hikerboy57 you nailed it!! :D I think you "nail it" more than once every four years!! Luv ya!
And this is for those times when he needs to nail it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7eTOnNBwYU&feature=youtube_gdata_player
That was a freakin riot Tuck. Gotta love Marvin and Barry White when you got to nail it.
Pedaling Fool
10-18-2013, 10:00
"Nature is scary because that's how mother nature created it. Nature requires one to steal nutrients from another and there are no morals when it comes to stealing (I'm using the word "steal" as an euphemism for kill).
And most often it's the young that are easiest to steal from"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR6VyUmuVSo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR6VyUmuVSo)
Off topic but after reading Darwin's Origin of Species I started noticing there and elsewhere in Darwin's writings him talking more about cooperation rather than domination or survival of the fittest in nature which is what we mostly hear about regarding his work. There is NOT only this side of nature and natural selection that is this dog eat dog dominate at all costs survival of the fittest aspect. Species also survive, thrive. and evolve via cooperation. While survival of the fittest is one aspect of nature and is evident around us it's not the only side of nature. Darwin observed this regularly and as I take a closer look at nature I see cooperation among species vastly in evidence among both flora and fauna. I think we as a species often like attaching only to the survival of the fittest aspect because it validates selfishness, greed, Nationalism, and self righteousness.
There you go again Dogwood. Why don’t you just hit the Quote button???
As for cooperation in nature, yes there are some really interesting examples of symbiosis. However, you should be careful not to look at these from a human-centric perspective.
The fact is killing is a way of life for animals, not because they are evil as we humans look at evil, but because it (selfishness or instinct to survive) is in their nature as it is with all living organisms. And that is a key concept, i.e. instinct. Most of us don’t like to hunt or kill animals and when we look at animals we see human-centric aspects such as cute little babies and so on. However, you know as well as I do that if anyone is stranded out in the wilderness they will resort to killing for food. All these cute and cuddly perspectives of nature will give way to survival.
As I said animals are not intrinsically evil, but instinctively selfish so they will create a symbiotic relationships where it benefits them. Not because of some human-centric notion of coexisting.
If a mother bear brings her cubs into a hunting/foraging area she will be on the lookout for large males, because they will not cooperate/coexist, they will kill her cubs, they will fight off any intruder that they perceives as infringing on their life-sustaining sustenance. This plays out consistently in nature.
There is also well documented competition between plants and much of this warfare is in the form of chemical warfare. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/09/030909071258.htm
It’s like Mother Nature just likes to watch us (living organisms) fight and kill. Why do we need to take from one to live? That is how nature is set up, you want calories and nutrients, you must take it from another living organism.
How would you "live on the trail" ?? it still requires money for food, gear replacement, ect.
I used to think a person might be able to live totally independently on a sailboat. If you had the charts, and knew where there was going to be rain, and where the flying fishes were, you could have fresh water, and fish would just jump in your boat. But then I went sailing for the first time, and got seasick after the first five minutes...and so ended my adventurous life on the high seas!
lush242000
10-20-2013, 09:16
How would you "live on the trail" ?? it still requires money for food, gear replacement, ect.
You wouldn't. It's like talking about winning the lottery.
Sent from somewhere.
Gonecampn
11-24-2013, 11:26
I used to think a person might be able to live totally independently on a sailboat. If you had the charts, and knew where there was going to be rain, and where the flying fishes were, you could have fresh water, and fish would just jump in your boat. But then I went sailing for the first time, and got seasick after the first five minutes...and so ended my adventurous life on the high seas!
^That's funny!!^
Sent from somewhere in the woods.
futureatwalker
11-25-2013, 04:11
Could your question be rephrased in another way: how long could you live in the woods on $30 a day?
With the ball-park assumptions that a thru-hiker takes 4.5 months to do the trail, and spends $4,000, this works out to be about $30 a day. (And yes, I know that
these assumptions are likely not precise, but I give them for the sake of arguement.)
Of course, a thru-hiker is burning lots of calories hiking, and is also stopping in town now and then. But I wonder if it would be that much different for someone living in the woods. Bet a visit to town now and again would be particularly appealing.
I'm sure that one's food could be supplemented from natural sources, but except for setting up a farm, I'd be surprised if one could live off of the land.
Capt Nat
11-25-2013, 08:54
I used to think a person might be able to live totally independently on a sailboat. If you had the charts, and knew where there was going to be rain, and where the flying fishes were, you could have fresh water, and fish would just jump in your boat. But then I went sailing for the first time, and got seasick after the first five minutes...and so ended my adventurous life on the high seas!
I lived on a sailboat for about 10 years. It takes a lot of money, a lot of work, and after a while every beach, island, and tiki bar begins looking the same. It really was wonderful though...
Hairbear
11-25-2013, 09:23
Ive chosen to take that leap,not in going to the trail,but I live like a hermit on a permaculture farm.thing that you cant change are there fact that control is an illusion,you never know it until you touch the breaks to slow down.
You have a throttle control in your brain use it to slow the life you have down slow enough to be able to focus on the content.
Now that its slowing toss over board all the ballast that you never use. The ship of your life will begin floating again as it was designed to.
Drybones
11-25-2013, 09:41
Now that I think about it, I suppose going on trail for a few weeks is like alcohol and drugs...just another way to escape our realities...but only for a short time. I learned a long time ago though that there's no person, place, or thing that can make a person happy....you have to find that within.
Pedaling Fool
11-25-2013, 10:05
Ive chosen to take that leap,not in going to the trail,but I live like a hermit on a permaculture farm.
Which farming community? Here's an example of one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuWswXPO-Is
Hairbear
11-25-2013, 10:11
Now that I think about it, I suppose going on trail for a few weeks is like alcohol and drugs...just another way to escape our realities...but only for a short time. I learned a long time ago though that there's no person, place, or thing that can make a person happy....you have to find that within.
strange that joy and misery both live inside,its you who decides who to walk around holding hands with.
Hairbear
11-25-2013, 10:16
Which farming community? Here's an example of one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuWswXPO-Is
just a small piece of land that im living on.
Pedaling Fool
11-25-2013, 10:25
just a small piece of land that im living on.
What size plot of land? How do you generate (and store, if applicable) electricity? What are your sources of food and water? What type shelter?
Bags4266
11-25-2013, 14:06
Well there are already people who do this......there called bums
T.S.Kobzol
11-25-2013, 23:55
If you don't have anyone waiting for you then maybe but otherwise it could be really lonely out there. I am usually cured after 2-3 weeks on the trail without resupplying.
Sent from my vivid imagination and delusions of grandeur
Hairbear
11-26-2013, 01:55
What size plot of land? How do you generate (and store, if applicable) electricity? What are your sources of food and water? What type shelter?
small place just 13 acres,off grid. Im finishing my cabin now,maybe a month of work left.
electricity is non existent as of yet,but will start that after the cistern is in place. I consider that a luxury item.
food comes from the front of my house where it is all garden and food forest ,in its beginning stages.
Hairbear
11-26-2013, 01:59
Well there are already people who do this......there called bums
Strangly enough ive met all kinds of people in my 50 years,but never a bum.
Hairbear
11-26-2013, 02:04
What size plot of land? How do you generate (and store, if applicable) electricity? What are your sources of food and water? What type shelter?
shelter is 640 sq ft timber frame style.
the insulation is r 48 walls r 88 in the ceiling.
the set up is passive solar with a rocket stove back up heat.
keepinitsimple
11-26-2013, 07:44
Living on the trail, a noble thought. What you are really saying, in my mind, is that you are fed up with the establishment. I get it, me too at times. Sometimes I get out all my gear and play with it, measuring, packing etc. With the full knowledge I am going nowhere. Kind of like an exercise. I notice my Whiteblaze use is mostly in colder weather. I get out more in better weather. Try guided meditation. Go on to youtube, search the word, get your headphones out and take a trip. I am a better person for it. This past weekend I got 30 mins each day to do such an activity. You can do it with your kids in the next room. There is a spiritual answer to your question. And in my opinion it does not involve dropping out of society.
daddytwosticks
11-26-2013, 08:16
small place just 13 acres,off grid. Im finishing my cabin now,maybe a month of work left.
electricity is non existent as of yet,but will start that after the cistern is in place. I consider that a luxury item.
food comes from the front of my house where it is all garden and food forest ,in its beginning stages. How do you access the internet if you have no electric power? Don't you find your adventures on the internet in the form of Whiteblaze counter to your lifestyle? :)
Pedaling Fool
11-26-2013, 08:37
small place just 13 acres,off grid. Im finishing my cabin now,maybe a month of work left.
electricity is non existent as of yet,but will start that after the cistern is in place. I consider that a luxury item.
food comes from the front of my house where it is all garden and food forest ,in its beginning stages.
shelter is 640 sq ft timber frame style.
the insulation is r 48 walls r 88 in the ceiling.
the set up is passive solar with a rocket stove back up heat.Can you load up some pictures?
Hairbear
11-26-2013, 09:06
Can you load up some pictures?
ill have my son make up a place to put all my videos and pics soon.
Hairbear
11-26-2013, 09:13
How do you access the internet if you have no electric power? Don't you find your adventures on the internet in the form of Whiteblaze counter to your lifestyle? :)
I charge my samsung g4 in the car.
knowledge is not counter productive to any life style.
the internet is a library to me without the travel.
Hairbear
11-26-2013, 09:14
All respect to the o p,sorry for the thread drift.
HikerMom58
11-26-2013, 10:00
ill have my son make up a place to put all my videos and pics soon.
Hey Hairbear.. missed u. I can't wait to see the vids and pics.. that's exciting!
My opologies to the OP as well. I guess this is "living on the cyber trail", taking a moment to chat with the cyber friends. :)