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bishbash
10-25-2013, 06:39
I am an Englander, have dreamed ever since reading Bill Bryson's book on his AT attempt of doing the AT, won't be any time soon but enjoy reading these fora and have just recently signed up and so can post. Just wondered what, approximately, percent of the hikers are foreign, and of them what are the main countries they come from?
I'm thinking Canada, UK, Australia and perhaps a few others from european(mainly north european) countries. Would I be right?
Robin2013AT
10-25-2013, 06:50
This year I thru hiked with many, many Germans as well as 2 from the Czech Republic and quite a few Brits and Aussies (and don't mix the two up)
I have met people hiking the AT from just about every major country on earth.
For some reason Germans seem over represented. In the last couple of years I have met quite a few Asians of various nationalities as well..
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A few years ago I ran into an Japanese man who spoke almost no English. I've also encountered Italians.
I read that the relatively large number of Germans gave it a try as the aftermath of a TV documentary.
I've run into several Israelis, fresh out of the military. I guess after a mandatory stint in the IDF, a thru hike isn't too bad. Aaaaand cue LW...
Sailing_Faith
10-25-2013, 10:01
Stick in the Mud,
I think you will find that everyone is a foreigner out on the trail.... Or most everyone anyway. :)
It's all good. :)
You made me dig out my AT trail journal to check up on this. In 2006, the yr I thru-hiked, I noted 67 people from 14 different countries. I will not name all the countries but Canadians, Israelis, Germans, Swiss, Scottish, English, Irish, Australians, French(both Canadians and from France), Italians, and a few others I'm not recalling are the people I meet most frequently meet on American trails. Seems many Germans will go anywhere to hike whenever.
I stayed at Neels Gap with 2 guys from Austria and an 84 yr old guy from Germany
Old Hiker
10-25-2013, 10:23
If you're not Native American, aren't you ALL foreigners?
I'm 1/16 Cherokee, by the way.:)
jimmyjam
10-25-2013, 10:23
This year on my section hikes I've met people from Germany, Great Britain, Italy, Japan, Australia, Spain, Canada, Israel, and some from the countries that used to make up Russia.
bishbash
10-25-2013, 10:47
So Germany does seem to crop up a lot. Even more than UK? Was sure UK would be number one after perhaps Canada.
Don't you mean the countries that used to make up USSR, one of which is Russia.
Pedaling Fool
10-25-2013, 10:54
Don't you mean the countries that used to make up USSR, one of which is Russia.I'm sure that's what he meant.
flemdawg1
10-25-2013, 11:11
If you're not Native American, aren't you ALL foreigners?
I'm 1/16 Cherokee, by the way.:)
Using your own logic, even the Native Americans, aren't native, since they came from Siberia. SO basically everyones a foreigner, unless you're from Eden.
Our first hike we were about 2 hours into our first section hike and we came across a fellow from Germany - his feet were pretty torn up - wearing heavy mountaineering boots. We told him to get some sneakers (trainers) and try that for a while. He was just here for a few weeks.
In 2012, 5% of those who reported completion of the A.T. to ATC were from foreign countries. Although the numbers vary year to year, overall the numbers of international hikers have been increasing since we received our first international hiker completion reports in 1973. Since I just compiled some stats from our 2,000-miler database for another purpose, I'll share them here. In 2012, Germany had the highest number of 2,000-milers of any country, with 15 who have reported so far.
Canada 180
England 118
Germany 64
Australia 48
New Zealand 23
The Netherlands 18
Irsael 13
Switzerland 11
Japan 9
France 6
Ireland 6
Belgium 4
Norway 4
South Africa 4
The Czech Republic 3
Denmark 3
Scotland 3
Chile 2
Italy 2
Singapore 2
Sweden 2
Austria 1
The Bahamas 1
Barbados 1
Finland 1
India 1
Mexico 1
Morocco 1
N. Ireland 1
Philippines 1
Romania 1
South Korea 1
Spain 1
Wales 1
Laurie P.
ATC
Old Hiker
10-25-2013, 11:51
Using your own logic, even the Native Americans, aren't native, since they came from Siberia. SO basically everyones a foreigner, unless you're from Eden.
Eden, Texas? Nope - from just down the road. I've driven THROUGH Eden, though.
Not sure they would be foreigners, since they were first, with no one to check the papers. :confused:
Come to think of it, I think most of the visitors that passed me were from Germany. Amber Kat and, and, rats, can't think of the other name, come to mind.
...
Canada 180
England 118
Germany 64...
Laurie P.
ATC
Makes sense. The Canadians are walking home, the English are too stubborn to quit and Germans can't go home knowing the English hikers are finishing more often than they are :)
All fun aside, it really is a international group out there. Add to that the fact that the U.S. is not as culturally monolithic as most Europeans tend to think and you will find the AT community is quite eclectic.
hikerboy57
10-25-2013, 13:20
keep in mmind americans have to walk 2184 miles, whereas europeans have to walk over 3500 kilometers.
do it the american way!!its much better.
Data Point: First snowfall of Fall-Winter-Spring, 2013-2014. October 24, 2013. Boone, NC. elevation 3,400' (+ or -).
It will be interesting to track the last snowfall in 2014.
Wayne
hikerboy57
10-25-2013, 13:32
Makes sense. The Canadians are walking home, the English are too stubborn to quit and Germans can't go home knowing the English hikers are finishing more often than they are :)
All fun aside, it really is a international group out there. Add to that the fact that the U.S. is not as culturally monolithic as most Europeans tend to think and you will find the AT community is quite eclectic.
apparently the french just gave up
apparently the french just gave up
That's cold. Maybe true but cold. :)
hikerboy57
10-25-2013, 13:36
That's cold. Maybe true but cold. :)
i will concede we'd be speaking the kings english were it not for the french.
and their toast is terrific!!
i will concede we'd be speaking the kings english were it not for the french.
and their toast is terrific!!
I had an English friend that kept a sign in his office:
"Surplus French Army Rifles For Sale. Like New. Dropped Twice, Never Fired."
I did love my old Peugeot road bike back in the day.
jimmyjam
10-25-2013, 14:00
So Germany does seem to crop up a lot. Even more than UK? Was sure UK would be number one after perhaps Canada.
Don't you mean the countries that used to make up USSR, one of which is Russia.
Yep, that's what I meant. I'm just used to calling all of it Russia. I think what they told me was Kazakhstan and Latvia.
As a slight aside whenever I travel the Germans and the English are the most often encountered nationalities so it doesn't surprise me that they are well represented on the AT. In 2014 my wife and I will be attempting a thru-hike and she is Singaporean. She will be the second woman from that country to thru so they might have the highest percentage of the population to complete a thru-hike.
CarlZ993
10-25-2013, 15:26
On my thru-hike this year, I met a lot of Germans & Austrians. Quite a few Brits. A few Aussies & Kiwis. A couple from Israel. I heard of other nationalities out there but they weren't in my bubble of travel.
Note: And almost everyone of them were really strong hikers!
fertilizer
10-25-2013, 16:07
I was heading south from the Grayson Highlands to Damascus over Memorial Day weekend (end of May) and within an hour or 2, met an Austrian couple and a couple from South Africa.
Ignoring Canadians as if you're not from the US or Canada you generally can't tell anyway, Germans are far and away the most common out there.
A smattering of others, numbers too few to give an accurate prediction each year. Lots in total but no individual standouts.
If the Walk in the Woods book gets turned into a movie expect a significant increase the year after it's release in any country it does well in.
DeerPath
10-26-2013, 12:17
If you're not Native American, aren't you ALL foreigners?
I'm 1/16 Cherokee, by the way.:)
Are you getting your casino money? :dance
DeerPath
10-26-2013, 12:18
Can't figure out how to delete a double post?
Thank you Laurie for posting those stats.
The French have garnered too great a negative rep in this country unjustifiably. I do agree with some of the statements/observations about the French but a good amount of the negative French rep by Americans stems from American culture. Much of America(although it applies everywhere!) has a hard time gaining a deeper understanding and acceptance of others when it flies in the face of an intolerant do as we do 'American culture'-(perspective, that can occur anywhere). It can happen on the individual level all the way to the highest American Federal and national l levels too. Think about that for a moment just as it pertains to American citizens. Think about the opinions, attitudes, intolerance, lack of understanding, and friction that sometimes exists in the relationships between those of residents of different geographical areas inside the borders of the U.S. And, this certainly is not solely relegated to America. It can happen around the globe.
In a nutshell, when I readjust my attitudes/behavior toward the French and redefine the French from what is typical here in America I have more constructive relationships with the French as an American. It can help in all relationships.
Wayne Dyer - "When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change."
GoodGerman
10-26-2013, 14:51
For some reason Germans seem over represented. In the last couple of years I have met quite a few Asians of various nationalities as well..
FWIW there is a quite popular tv documentary about the Appalachian Trail in Germany. Called "Durch die Wildnis Amerikas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmi8MGA8L-4)". I believe its from 2008.
They rerun it every year and right after the broadcast the german outdoor forums get a lot of Appalachian Trail related topics.
German people are very much into hiking and trekking. However there are 82 Millions of us living in a Country smaller than Montana. Basically every peace of land is somehow used. So for the real wilderness experiences* we have travel abroad. :)
* I'm aware that the AT is a limited "wilderness experience". Compared to the German forests however, its an ancient rainforest :)
Pedaling Fool
10-26-2013, 15:10
Thank you Laurie for posting those stats.
The French have garnered too great a negative rep in this country unjustifiably. I do agree with some of the statements/observations about the French but a good amount of the negative French rep by Americans stems from American culture. Much of America(although it applies everywhere!) has a hard time gaining a deeper understanding and acceptance of others when it flies in the face of an intolerant do as we do 'American culture'-(perspective, that can occur anywhere). It can happen on the individual level all the way to the highest American Federal and national l levels too. Think about that for a moment just as it pertains to American citizens. Think about the opinions, attitudes, intolerance, lack of understanding, and friction that sometimes exists in the relationships between those of residents of different geographical areas inside the borders of the U.S. And, this certainly is not solely relegated to America. It can happen around the globe.
In a nutshell, when I readjust my attitudes/behavior toward the French and redefine the French from what is typical here in America I have more constructive relationships with the French as an American. It can help in all relationships.
Wayne Dyer - "When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change."
Actually the French have a pretty awful reputation not just in the U.S. Check this out http://travel.cnn.com/explorations/life/worlds-rudest-countries-travelers-309852
I wasn't too impressed with them when I use to visit the country.
Odd Man Out
10-26-2013, 16:52
i will concede we'd be speaking the kings english were it not for the french.
and their toast is terrific!!
My wife has a family heirloom cookbook from the late 1800's. It has a French Toast recipe that is no different than the French Toast I make today. The only thing, back then it was called American Toast. Go figure.
hikerboy57
10-26-2013, 16:57
Actually the French have a pretty awful reputation not just in the U.S. Check this out http://travel.cnn.com/explorations/life/worlds-rudest-countries-travelers-309852
I wasn't too impressed with them when I use to visit the country.
they wine a lot
I agree with these statements about some of the French in general but more as it applies to Parisians: "French people are known for “their abrupt and curt nature. especially while facing foreign tourists" and “The French are very protective of their language." These statements have to be taken in context of a broader perspective THOUGH!!!
Here's one of the potential problems I notice with polls like that. Paris is BY FAR the most visited city in France by foreigners. If you look at where those pollsters opinions are mainly coming from it's taken from foreigners who typically ONLY visit Paris, which IMHO, does have more of a hoity toity nose in the air atmosphere in general compared to much of the rest of France's regions. That can result as there seeming to be more a French superiority complex or the French being rude than it actually is and perhaps particularly in relationships with foreigners that can also have a superiority complex(uhh Americans?) OR limited world view(uhh Americans?). Imagine being a foreigner to America not having any other experiences in the U.S. other than in Manhattan at the typical touristy middle to higher end hotels, restaurants, venues, etc and arriving at anything realistic or comprehensive of an opinion about the U.S. as a whole. Isn't happening. How about if all you knew of the U.S. based upon a feet on the ground experience was taken from limited experiences in just Miami, Los Angeles, Anchorage, Tulsa, or El Paso? Heck LA is like a country in itself with wildly ranging possible perceptions of it depending on a great many factors. How about if as an American you never travel or hike west of the Mississippi as an east coast only resident? Pretty different opinions are arrived at, possibly regarding a great many things, hey?
Again, as another commentator said on that link, "I think it also comes down to how one behaves as a guest in other nations!" I notice all too often Americans ignoring their own behavior and preconceived ideas in how perceptions of the French being rude or acting with their noses in the air or being cowards etc play a role in American perceptions. And, this occurs with other non- American foreigners to France as well.
As I said earlier, and seemed to be ignored, it is our personal behavior that we have the most control of! I think that's the higher road to take, being noticeable of and responsible for our own behavior! We can(as in us, as in you and me) redefine things to a more empowering paradigm.
When I backpack in other nations, and even different areas in my home country the U.S., I not only want to be aware of these things but rather than adopting a negative bitchy finger pointing perspective take on this attitude: challenges in language and culture actually form part of the fun of traveling and backpacking in different areas! As a result, it's my contention that I have more rewarding experiences when traveling. And possibly those who I meet also have more rewarding experiences!
As it DIRECTLY applies here to us we might remember these things as we are the hosts when foreigners come here when we're both hiking the AT or other American trails.
fiddlehead
10-26-2013, 17:18
Depends on the person traveling.
I had some great times in Paris (hitchhiked through there 3 times in the 90's), but especially memorable times in the Pyrenees hiking the HRP.
Mountain people are the friendliest people I've met in most any country I've hiked in.
I didn't see the Nepalese mentioned, but I've hiked on the AT with 2 of them (Sherpas) Although they weren't out to do the distance.
As I said earlier, and seemed to be ignored, it is our personal behavior that we have the most control of! I think that's the higher road to take, being noticeable of and responsible for our own behavior! We can(as in us, as in you and me) redefine things to a more empowering paradigm.
Not only do I make mention of this here as it pertains to this thread topic You might notice me saying the same thing on threads ranging far and wide involving: negatively perceived by humans human centric bear/human encounters, Kent Laundromat relationships, donations at hostels based on them operating on a donations basis, faster(speed hiking) vs slower(smell the roses) hiker long winded debates, UL haters, conventional gear(gear wt) dislikers, west coast vs east coast hiking opinions, HYOH vs you should do it my way alternatives, etc etc etc. And I'm no expert on this stuff. I may have no clue what may be right or acceptable for others. And, I'm not above unjustly engaging in ignorant self serving pts of views either BUT I'm noticing my behavior and I'm working on myself..
I feel better now. WB therapy sessions are working. :-? No need to make out the check this week to the psychiatrist.:sun
hikerboy57
10-26-2013, 17:50
american travelers are not perceived in the best light either outside of this country.
dogwood, i understand your point.
but still, its the french.
HikerMom58
10-26-2013, 18:04
As I said earlier, and seemed to be ignored, it is our personal behavior that we have the most control of! I think that's the higher road to take, being noticeable of and responsible for our own behavior! We can(as in us, as in you and me) redefine things to a more empowering paradigm.
Not only do I make mention of this here as it pertains to this thread topic You might notice me saying the same thing on threads ranging far and wide involving: negatively perceived by humans human centric bear/human encounters, Kent Laundromat relationships, donations at hostels based on them operating on a donations basis, faster(speed hiking) vs slower(smell the roses) hiker long winded debates, UL haters, conventional gear(gear wt) dislikers, west coast vs east coast hiking opinions, HYOH vs you should do it my way alternatives, etc etc etc. And I'm no expert on this stuff. I may have no clue what may be right or acceptable for others. And, I'm not above unjustly engaging in ignorant self serving pts of views either BUT I'm noticing my behavior and I'm working on myself..
I feel better now. WB therapy sessions are working. :-? No need to make out the check this week to the psychiatrist.:sun
And that's all we can do Dogwood.. just keep doing that ^, you'll be fine. You're not alone, either, cause this girl is right beside ya doing the same thing.... constantly workin on myself. ;)
they wine a lot
You are on a roll....keep it coming! Making me laugh!
american travelers.... .
You ever notice they (we) always seem to lead with a story about money and foreign toilets after getting home.
Seldom about the heaven of a patisserie.
Or how tolerant and accepting of dogs people are in the streets and stores of Paris as compared to the woods and parks here in the states.
Most Americans don't get out much.
bishbash
10-26-2013, 20:27
Apparently the japanese are obsessed with paris and the french, and many make it a lifes dream to visit. I was married to a japaneser for six years and she loved the place, we frequently took a dip over there. They have special courses for them to help them deal with paris disappointment syndrome. It is a great country but then most countries are. Some national stereotypes are there for a reason mind, and I havealways found the french slimy. Some cracking food, but some awful food, and manners, too. You seppos shouldnt feel any inferiorityto them,I mean what music has that nation ever produced? Or boxers for that matter.
hikerboy57
10-26-2013, 20:34
You ever notice they (we) always seem to lead with a story about money and foreign toilets after getting home.
Seldom about the heaven of a patisserie.
Or how tolerant and accepting of dogs people are in the streets and stores of Paris as compared to the woods and parks here in the states.
Most Americans don't get out much.
actually we're much more accepting of dogs in streets and shops than in the woods, too
bishbash
10-26-2013, 20:39
The stones, muhammad ali, the beatles, bob dylan, the who, joe louis, joe calzaghe, elvis presley, elvis costello, floyd patterson, led zepp, Chuck berry, pink floyd. What have the frenchie frog eating masses ever given the world? Zsa zsa gabor? And she isnt even french.
hikerboy57
10-26-2013, 20:41
The stones, muhammad ali, the beatles, bob dylan, the who, joe louis, joe calzaghe, elvis presley, elvis costello, floyd patterson, led zepp, Chuck berry, pink floyd. What have the frenchie frog eating masses ever given the world? Zsa zsa gabor? And she isnt even french.
i already mentioned french toast
http://youtu.be/a9AnvARnv60
The stones, muhammad ali, the beatles, bob dylan, the who, joe louis, joe calzaghe, elvis presley, elvis costello, floyd patterson, led zepp, Chuck berry, pink floyd. What have the frenchie frog eating masses ever given the world? Zsa zsa gabor? And she isnt even french.
Pate` .
The stones, muhammad ali, the beatles, bob dylan, the who, joe louis, joe calzaghe, elvis presley, elvis costello, floyd patterson, led zepp, Chuck berry, pink floyd. What have the frenchie frog eating masses ever given the world? Zsa zsa gabor? And she isnt even french.
Champagne.
hikerboy57
10-26-2013, 20:52
fries .
The stones, muhammad ali, the beatles, bob dylan, the who, joe louis, joe calzaghe, elvis presley, elvis costello, floyd patterson, led zepp, Chuck berry, pink floyd. What have the frenchie frog eating masses ever given the world? Zsa zsa gabor? And she isnt even french.
bidet .
hikerboy57
10-26-2013, 20:56
detente(well , the word, at least)
I agree with these statements about some of the French in general but more as it applies to Parisians: "French people are known for “their abrupt and curt nature. especially while facing foreign tourists" and “The French are very protective of their language." These statements have to be taken in context of a broader perspective THOUGH!!!
Here's one of the potential problems I notice with polls like that. Paris is BY FAR the most visited city in France by foreigners. If you look at where those pollsters opinions are mainly coming from it's taken from foreigners who typically ONLY visit Paris, which IMHO, does have more of a hoity toity nose in the air atmosphere in general compared to much of the rest of France's regions. That can result as there seeming to be more a French superiority complex or the French being rude than it actually is and perhaps particularly in relationships with foreigners that can also have a superiority complex(uhh Americans?) OR limited world view(uhh Americans?). Imagine being a foreigner to America not having any other experiences in the U.S. other than in Manhattan at the typical touristy middle to higher end hotels, restaurants, venues, etc and arriving at anything realistic or comprehensive of an opinion about the U.S. as a whole. Isn't happening. How about if all you knew of the U.S. based upon a feet on the ground experience was taken from limited experiences in just Miami, Los Angeles, Anchorage, Tulsa, or El Paso? Heck LA is like a country in itself with wildly ranging possible perceptions of it depending on a great many factors. How about if as an American you never travel or hike west of the Mississippi as an east coast only resident? Pretty different opinions are arrived at, possibly regarding a great many things, hey?
Again, as another commentator said on that link, "I think it also comes down to how one behaves as a guest in other nations!" I notice all too often Americans ignoring their own behavior and preconceived ideas in how perceptions of the French being rude or acting with their noses in the air or being cowards etc play a role in American perceptions. And, this occurs with other non- American foreigners to France as well.
As I said earlier, and seemed to be ignored, it is our personal behavior that we have the most control of! I think that's the higher road to take, being noticeable of and responsible for our own behavior! We can(as in us, as in you and me) redefine things to a more empowering paradigm.
When I backpack in other nations, and even different areas in my home country the U.S., I not only want to be aware of these things but rather than adopting a negative bitchy finger pointing perspective take on this attitude: challenges in language and culture actually form part of the fun of traveling and backpacking in different areas! As a result, it's my contention that I have more rewarding experiences when traveling. And possibly those who I meet also have more rewarding experiences!
As it DIRECTLY applies here to us we might remember these things as we are the hosts when foreigners come here when we're both hiking the AT or other American trails.
Some might call it racist or intolerance
Champagne.
Champagne was a mistake that the English liked.
i already mentioned french toast
Nope.....Not French. Neither are croissants.
Pate` .
Only the word. Not the forcemeat.
The stones, muhammad ali, the beatles, bob dylan, the who, joe louis, joe calzaghe, elvis presley, elvis costello, floyd patterson, led zepp, Chuck berry, pink floyd. What have the frenchie frog eating masses ever given the world? Zsa zsa gabor? And she isnt even french.
The Singing Nun
You are on a roll....keep it coming! Making me laugh!
The French wouldn't have any wine without Uncle Sam.
You ever notice they (we) always seem to lead with a story about money and foreign toilets after getting home.
Seldom about the heaven of a patisserie.
Or how tolerant and accepting of dogs people are in the streets and stores of Paris as compared to the woods and parks here in the states.
Most Americans don't get out much.
This is how one conversation went that I had with some Americans I know(uhh, OK they were family members) when they came back from BRIELY passing through Cannes and Paris(all of two days). All I heard about was the price of food, using toilets, how rude the French were, how hard it was to get a hotel room and into restaurants, even the urine smell on the streets of Paris, etc. Nothing about the Louvre, walking across the Seine on a bridge or strolling along its banks, Notre Dame de Paris, Eiffel Tower, good pts about the French Mediterranean/Riviera, French Alps, the beautiful coastline and countryside of northern France, positive aspects of the French language, the beauty of the French woman, the positive aspects of French cuisine, French romance, talk of the great French philosophers or French contributions to science and medicine, the ease of getting around the country by train, the French showing gratitude by gifting the Statue Of Liberty to America, etc. I asked them a few questions and made a few statements like: Do you understand they have this huge International Film Festival in Cannes and you went through that area during the time it's held?, Do you understand prices of goods and services become highly inflated at that time as well as the availability of those goods and services becoming highly competitive?, You do know it's not pronounced as Can-niss?, Did you assume the French should know how to speak English and hold conversations in English?, Did you make an attempt to learn any French before or while you went to France?, Didn't you know ahead of time that Paris is a very expensive city to live in as well travel to, uhh similar to New York City?, Did you consider your factoring in your behavior as part of your perceptions of the French?, Did you know that area where you noticed the urine smell was a notorious red light and Heroin addict area?, BTW, what were you doing in that area anyhow? etc
What you focus on increases. If you don't focus on possible benefits and positive attributes of the French people and nation you're going to have a hard time noticing it. If all I notice is the destructiveness of humanity I'll start noticing more of it and start missing out on noticing the BEAUTY that humanity is possible of creating. One even notices it occurring here in this thread in the last few posts. The focus has changed from what Rickb and myself were focusing on - the good things about France. This is not about sticking your head in the sand and not also taking notice of the possible questionable aspects of France it's about determining where you want to primarily aim your focus. It's the law of attraction, it's an aspect of sowing and reaping.
bishbash
10-26-2013, 21:26
There is a macdonalds on the champs elysses, ingerloids won the last two tour de france and english is the language of the world. They would all be speaking german if it wasnt for the yanks. We won, france lost. I was there when wiggo won, was great to see paris draped in the union jack and st george, just superb. France is a great country, they know how to cook a steak for sure.
What you focus on increases. If you don't focus on possible benefits and positive attributes of the French people and nation you're going to have a hard time noticing it. If all I notice is the destructiveness of humanity I'll start noticing more of it and start missing out on noticing the BEAUTY that humanity is possible of creating. One even notices it occurring here in this thread in the last few posts. The focus has changed from what Rickb and myself were focusing on - the good things about France. This is not about sticking your head in the sand and not also taking notice of the possible questionable aspects of France it's about determining where you want to primarily aim your focus. It's the law of attraction, it's an aspect of sowing and reaping.
I like the French as much as anyone else. I have never been enamoured by any culture. They all suck in their own way. They are all great in their own way.
I like the French as much as anyone else. I have never been enamoured by any culture. They all suck in their own way. They are all great in their own way.
I think Sartre said that.
Marquis de Sade was the original Bleu Meanie.
Wise Old Owl
10-26-2013, 21:43
Rasty is no blue meanie....maybe a beetle fan... like me.
Rasty is no blue meanie....maybe a beetle fan... like me.
Michelle, ma belle, son des mots qui von tres bien ensemble....
There is a macdonalds on the champs elysses.....France is a great country, they know how to cook a steak for sure.
Yes but do you know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in Paris?......
Here's why I enjoy Europe. http://poetry.rapgenius.com/Samuel-l-jackson-royale-with-cheese-dialogue-lyrics#lyric
Where'd everyone go? I notice, across the board, no matter what thread, what time, no matter how nicely one clearly communicates when getting to the nitty gritty of personal responsibility and examining personal behavior it gets real quiet real fast. Easier to pt fingers at others, move on quickly to more comfortable topics, ignore and deflect the issue. I didn't see JPD doing that on the Becoming Odyssa thread started by Praha. Hmmm! Did you ever wonder why/how some of the most commonly voiced traits people like about her - honesty and genuiness - come/arise from and make her popular. It's not just about her records. It's about her character too. :sun
Wise Old Owl
10-26-2013, 22:52
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Uh maybe the tread is a little off? allow me to ponder... I was a foriener on the AT until recently... I just got my US citizenship.
Fan of Pulp Fiction I see....
The majority of that 114 members online are really just logged into their Tapatalk app and not really online right now.
Rasty is no blue meanie....maybe a beetle fan... like me.
Who are the Beatles?
Yes but do you know what they call a quarter pounder with cheese in Paris?......
Quarter Pounder avec fromage en Francaise?
Odd Man Out
10-26-2013, 23:22
Last time I was in Paris, I went to the front desk at the hotel to arrange for a ride to the airport the following morning. The front desk clerk was doing an amazing job of multi tasking, dealing with 4 apparently urgent issues all at the same time in four different languages, including trying to satisfy a particularly demanding Italian. As I was not in a particular hurry, I just waited in the lobby until he had a moment. When things quieted down, he helped me arrange for an airport transfer. Afterwards, we chatted for a while. I commented on how impressed I was at how well he handled all the problems he had to deal with and apologized for bringing yet one more thing his way. He laughed and said "You Americans are all so nice. It's those Italians that are always a problem"
Regardless, one of the consequences of Laurie's stats(that the number of AT International hikers is increasing) is that we as the host country is going to have a an increasingly significant impact on foreign-American relationships in the area of hiking. This is certainly germane to the original post. Consider that the OP is a foreigner too. Also consider the great number of posts on this thread mentioning the number of foreigners hiking the AT that we as Americans have experienced. *I'm sure a great many American hikers are concerned about contributing to a positive and rewarding atmosphere the BEST they can for all including for International hikers. That's one of the BIG PICTURES here! That's not going to happen IF we do not examine and possibly amend our attitudes!
Wise Old Owl
10-26-2013, 23:37
Who are the Beatles?
UH stuck on a glue trap... I kill you.... ( Pest Control ) :rolleyes:
Great Post DOGWOOD!!!
Regardless, one of the consequences of Laurie's stats(that the number of AT International hikers is increasing) is that we as the host country is going to have a an increasingly significant impact on foreign-American relationships in the area of hiking. This is certainly germane to the original post. Consider that the OP is a foreigner too. Also consider the great number of posts on this thread mentioning the number of foreigners hiking the AT that we as Americans have experienced. *I'm sure a great many American hikers are concerned about contributing to a positive and rewarding atmosphere the BEST they can for all including for International hikers. That's one of the BIG PICTURES here! That's not going to happen IF we do not examine and possibly amend our attitudes!
I'm all for positive foreign relations. But I shared a room at the Grand Prix with two Germans this April and one watched Fox news all night. There is only so much I should have to take. He watched Hannity twice. Let me repeat myself. Twice.
That's what I'm talking about Odd Man Out. Great example of building constructive relationships and adding to solutions rather than contributing to greater friction. And, what did it take? Mutual respect, acknowledgement, and constructive considerate behavior as practiced by the both of you - a French Hotel Clerk and an American tourist/foreigner. And, consider the ripple effect that has?
Uhh, maybe it was a complicated topic Hannity was exploring that night? :D Uhh, maybe the Germans don't subscribe to Fox back home and felt intrigued with that version of political talk? :D Uhh, maybe they were slow learners? :confused: Umm, did you speak up about wanting to go to sleep?:-? Uhh, ever consider ear plugs when you travel? Uhh, have you considered placing something over your eyes when in the presence of others? I know I have to employ a full repertoire of tactics to travel and sleep comfortably when traveling with others on buses, airplanes, trains, staying at trail shelters, hostels in bunk rooms, waiting for long periods in long lines, etc. Oh, and every time I get in the car with my youngest sister.:D
So, do I have your support in the next upcoming election WOO? Can I count on your vote? If so that will be two votes I can count on. :D
Wise Old Owl
10-27-2013, 00:06
You have my vote! - President Dogwood.
Consider yourself in contention for a cabinet position than. :D Don't worry about funding for that new owl study you're in charge of either. :D
Wise Old Owl
10-27-2013, 00:59
Don't put me in charge of Health of Hiker care websites.... please... I prefer a Moonlight job.
Pedaling Fool
10-27-2013, 09:45
...some of the most commonly voiced traits people like about her - honesty and genuiness - ...
And not talking down to (i.e. lecturing) people.
Regardless, one of the consequences of Laurie's stats(that the number of AT International hikers is increasing) is that we as the host country is going to have a an increasingly significant impact on foreign-American relationships in the area of hiking. This is certainly germane to the original post. Consider that the OP is a foreigner too. Also consider the great number of posts on this thread mentioning the number of foreigners hiking the AT that we as Americans have experienced. *I'm sure a great many American hikers are concerned about contributing to a positive and rewarding atmosphere the BEST they can for all including for International hikers. That's one of the BIG PICTURES here! That's not going to happen IF we do not examine and possibly amend our attitudes!Maybe you need to examine your posts (i.e. attitude) :rolleyes:
Seriously dude, stop being so serious, condescending and uptight...You're more annoying than any Frenchie
Sorry for you if you took it that way but I was talking across not down. I notice the obvious complexity and seriousness of topic threads you offer up for discussion and the serious of your opinions. I suppose that's OK though when it's done in accordance with what you believe or what you want to share?
Let's try keeping it real BUT LET'S ALSO NOT ABANDON CIVILITY. I thought we were just trying to share. Sometimes, it can certainly be taken as annoying, lecturing, harsh, uncomfortable, or condescending when people have problems accepting a different viewpoint OR when attempting to examine and be responsible for our own behavior. Can't we disagree agreeably? Perhaps, some of us should have less of an intolerant attitude?
Seems like some really don't like it when people question their opinions. Perhaps, that's why some don't accept PMs not wanting for others to have a platform to voice opposing viewpoints? I notice that occurring in threads as well after someone voices an opinion, another has a difference of opinion, and then one of the parties appears to just leave the scene perhaps in an attempt to drown out or ignore different viewpoints.
PLEASE please please consider my objective in the larger scheme of posts that I've made here. Let's not pursue tangents. Here's what I'm getting at. Here's my primary intent. With all my heart I believe this is a WORTHY objective!
Regardless, one of the consequences of Laurie's stats(that the number of AT International hikers is increasing) is that we as the host country is going to have a an increasingly significant impact on foreign-American relationships in the area of hiking. This is certainly germane to the original post. Consider that the OP is a foreigner too. Also consider the great number of posts on this thread mentioning the number of foreigners hiking the AT that we as Americans have experienced. *I'm sure a great many American hikers are concerned about contributing to a positive and rewarding atmosphere the BEST they can for all including for International hikers. That's one of the BIG PICTURES here! That's not going to happen IF we do not examine and possibly amend our attitudes!
Pedaling Fool
10-27-2013, 15:50
Stop feeling sorry for yourself:)
apparently the french just gave up
It is what they do best. ;)
It is what they do best. ;)
I'm told they are good in bed, if you can get past the smell. Thru hikers just plain stink. They're too tired to be any use in the sack.:rolleyes:
Zsa Zsa Gabor? Oh my friend you are missing out a lot if that's the only female that comes to mind when talking about the French. First Zsa Zsa was Hungarian which you alluded to. Second, ooh la la. Biting my knuckles. French woman are some of the sexiest sensual tempestuous most beautiful females ever to grace high heels, a swimsuit, lingerie, runways, the silver screen, and NOTHING. Oh, you poor soul if you missed Brigitte Bardot in God Created Woman, Cathereine Deneuve in Belle du Jour, Marion Cotillard, Sophie Marceau in any movie(an angel, remember her in Braveheart), model Aissa Maiga(ohh, those lips, ohh the accent), and model Aurelie Claudel in the SI Swimsuit Edition.
hikerboy57
10-27-2013, 19:18
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http://www.annieandre.com/2012/03/french-women-dont-get-fat/
Dogwood,
If you think the French don't sit around and make fun of Americans then you have not spent anytime around a Frenchman that was not trying to get money out of your pocket.
The French will and do make non stop fun of anyone that is not French. The French take ethnocentrism to a level unobtainable by any culture on earth.
I have friends from all over the world including France and the one thing they all agree on is the French are the most stuck up people on earth. In fact most of the French I know are proud of that fact.
My point is the French do not need someone defending them, they do it quite well themselves (at least until they get invaded).
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Wise Old Owl
10-27-2013, 21:08
Well folks need to take a break from the key board... My take is Dogwoods heart is in the right place... Stop with the Fench bit please. The French issue has two sides to the coin. That is - oh they don't have a space program... They do have a tremendous sense of pride... So do we... so get over it. They have a huge amount of history and well we don't care about history ... its clearly cultural, it in the details.
Dogwood,
If you think the French don't sit around and make fun of Americans then you have not spent anytime around a Frenchman that was not trying to get money out of your pocket.
The French will and do make non stop fun of anyone that is not French. The French take ethnocentrism to a level unobtainable by any culture on earth.
I have friends from all over the world including France and the one thing they all agree on is the French are the most stuck up people on earth. In fact most of the French I know are proud of that fact.
My point is the French do not need someone defending them, they do it quite well themselves (at least until they get invaded).
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Not so fast. Where's my merit badge?
hikerboy57
10-27-2013, 21:22
Well folks need to take a break from the key board... My take is Dogwoods heart is in the right place... Stop with the Fench bit please. The French issue has two sides to the coin. That is - oh they don't have a space program... They do have a tremendous sense of pride... So do we... so get over it. They have a huge amount of history and well we don't care about history ... its clearly cultural, it in the details.
and their toast is terrific
and their toast is terrific
Don't forget their Kiss.
and their toast is terrific
Not nearly as good as a Belgian Waffle
hikerboy57
10-27-2013, 22:12
infinitely better than german measles
Wise Old Owl
10-27-2013, 22:12
oh that's freedom toast? - ouch... think again.
hikerboy57
10-27-2013, 22:13
oh that's freedom toast? - ouch... think again.
youre thinking of fries
Wise Old Owl
10-27-2013, 22:18
no I wasn't - clear improvising.
youre thinking of fries
When that stuff happened we just switched the name to Pommes Frites.
Wise Old Owl
10-27-2013, 22:28
When that stuff happened we just switched the name to Pommes Frites.
Hmmm
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSv3UArFZggIFKDKwLPCOOcCRFCPCSlO Yh3HlxAhNC2g1F0rOc6
Dogwood,
If you think the French don't sit around and make fun of Americans then you have not spent anytime around a Frenchman that was not trying to get money out of your pocket.
The French will and do make non stop fun of anyone that is not French. The French take ethnocentrism to a level unobtainable by any culture on earth.
I have friends from all over the world including France and the one thing they all agree on is the French are the most stuck up people on earth. In fact most of the French I know are proud of that fact.
My point is the French do not need someone defending them, they do it quite well themselves (at least until they get invaded).
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+1,
I have been to 28 countries and lived in 5 and totally agree with your assessment.
Hill Ape
10-28-2013, 00:48
i spent quite a bit of time in france. love the people, think most of the stereotypes are just that. not to mention the french women loved my southern accent, thought i'd died and gone to heaven. gone with the wind was a big thing there, and i played right along
Hill Ape
10-28-2013, 00:53
i spent quite a bit of time in france. love the people, think most of the stereotypes are just that. not to mention the french women loved my southern accent, thought i'd died and gone to heaven. gone with the wind was a big thing there, and i played right along.
one thing that did catch me off guard. i visited many wwII sites, my grandfather served there and its always been a point of pride that he was part of the liberation of france. got into a discussion with a nice little grandma sort of lady at a cafe. she very matter of factly looked me square in the eye and asked "who says we wanted to be liberated" kind of changed my world view. that, and the first time i took the metro i didn't know how to open the door
Hill Ape
10-28-2013, 00:54
weird, why'd it do that?
I feel like we're on a NOBO AT thru-hike yet we keep revisiting or can't seem to get out of Georgia. My primary intention here, as I'm seeing yet again, is being misinterpreted and overlooked.
Bfayer, and everyone else, I don't want us to get caught spinning our wheels in a long winded endless circle jerk of a debate or discussion about French attitudes or anything about the French. And, I admit I said some things that have contributed to that. Although, I must admit I'm having a difficult time blocking out all those French woman. If you want reread my previous posts. You'll see where I stand on the French. My primary intention here is not about discussing them. I'll just say in this post I don't totally disagree with your views of the French. LET'S MOVE ON! Let's move forward!
For anyone who may have missed my primary intention I'll repost this. PLEASE read it to the end .
"As I said earlier, and seemed to be ignored, it is our personal behavior that we have the most control of! I think that's the higher road to take, being noticeable of and responsible for our own behavior! We can(as in us, as in you and me) redefine things to a more empowering paradigm.
When I backpack in other nations, and even different areas in my home country the U.S., I not only want to be aware of these things but rather than adopting a negative bitchy finger pointing perspective take on this attitude: challenges in language and culture actually form part of the fun of traveling and backpacking in different areas! As a result, it's my contention that I have more rewarding experiences when traveling. And possibly those who I meet also have more rewarding experiences!"
As it DIRECTLY applies here to us we might remember these things as we are the hosts when foreigners come here when we're both hiking the AT or other American trails."
And here it is again in a nutshell:
Regardless, one of the consequences of Laurie's stats(that the number of AT International hikers is increasing) is that we as the host country is going to have a an increasingly significant impact on foreign-American relationships in the area of hiking. This is certainly germane to the original post. Consider that the OP is a foreigner too. Also consider the great number of posts on this thread mentioning the number of foreigners hiking the AT that we as Americans have experienced. *I'm sure a great many American hikers are concerned about contributing to a positive and rewarding atmosphere the BEST they can for all including for International hikers. That's one of the BIG PICTURES here! That's not going to happen IF we do not examine and possibly amend our attitudes!
Are you getting it? Sure there were steps I took to get to that point but don't get caught up in any one step. Keep the END GOAL in mind.
Pedaling Fool
10-28-2013, 10:37
Well, it's probably all a moot point since Sweden will probably overtake France in self-centered and stuck-up people, since they have a headstart on the spanking ban around the world. http://news.yahoo.com/fears-brat-ocracy-child-centred-sweden-032211025.html
;)
Excerpt:
Stockholm (AFP) -
"Sweden had a head start in the good parenting debate as the first country to outlaw smacking but some argue that its child-centered approach has gone too far and children now rule the roost.
"In some ways Swedish kids are really ill-mannered," David Eberhard, a leading psychiatrist and father of six, told AFP.
"They shout if there are adults speaking at the dinner table, they interrupt you all the time and they demand the same space as adults."
Eberhard recently published a book entitled "How Children Took Power" which argues that over the years Swedes have effectively extended their 1979 smacking ban -- now adopted in more than 30 countries -- to a ban on correcting children in any way."
I prefer to think about the Swedes in terms of Brit Ekland in that itsy bitsy bikini in the James Bond movie The Man with the Golden Gun and Ann Margaret in fish net stockings dancing around in I think it was Viva Las Vegas w/ Elvis.
What also comes to mind FOR ME are those awesome Swedish Davis Cup teams that dominated in tennis with Stefan EdBerg and Mats Wilander. I met Mats in Connecticut at a tennis event. Nice guy both on and off the court.
Now I have to fit spanking into all those perceptions. Don't know how that's going to work out.:D
max patch
10-28-2013, 13:02
I'm still trying to figure out the relative importance when Dogwood CAPITALIZES A PHRASE as opposed to bolding a phrase. I suppose the rarely used CAPITALIZING AND BOLDING is reserved for the really big stuff.
I'm still trying to figure out the relative importance when Dogwood CAPITALIZES A PHRASE as opposed to bolding a phrase. I suppose the rarely used CAPITALIZING AND BOLDING is reserved for the really big stuff.
Bold is emphasis. All CAPS IS YELLING. Bold and CAPS is screaming.:cool:
max patch
10-28-2013, 14:02
Bold is emphasis. All CAPS IS YELLING. Bold and CAPS is screaming.:cool:
Thanks. I was getting ready to email AlGore.
Thanks. I was getting ready to email AlGore.
He'll just take your money.
Perhaps, you aren't aware of what I'm capable of.
That was a great observation MAXIE! Equally GREAT renditioning Rasty! :D Don't forget about the other things: Italics, underlining, exclamation pts, size, font, smiley faces, color, slurring of words/names, etc.:sun
Ever feel like you're attempting to assist the smooth flow of traffic while standing in the center of a busy intersection on the winding highway called life and you've failed to realize that fleet of semis hauling a huge cargo of negativity heading in your direction have at the wheel operators that have been stricken with a sudden case of amnesia forgeting their vehicles are equipped with braking mechanisms? At those times, perhaps it's better to get out of the middle of the intersection. :)
He'll just take your money.
But he will use the money to buy carbon offsets so all is good.
Off course he owns stock in the offshore corporation that owns the company that sells the saplings to the company that plants the trees that are used to offset the carbon from the private jet he uses to fly to France to convince the world that carbon offsets will save the world from arrogant Americans, but that's not something we need to care about.
Ooooh, thin ice thin ice Bfayer. Be careful. U could easily be removed from the pond hockey game.
Ooooh, thin ice thin ice Bfayer. Be careful. U could easily be removed from the pond hockey game.
Thin ice makes it easier to get water, so I'm good :) I am also carbon negative without buying offsets (unlike some other people). Also, believe it or not I like France and the French people they are very true to their beliefs and I respect that, even if I do enjoy making fun of them.
As for you Dogwood, you seem true to your beliefs also, so you too have my respect, if not always my agreement.
max patch
10-28-2013, 17:49
Lets check in with noted American scholar Al Bundy and get his take on the French:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUrezmW1EPI
Another Kevin
10-28-2013, 18:50
C'est la vie, c'est la guerre, c'est la grande pomme de terre.
Thin ice makes it easier to get water, so I'm good :) I am also carbon negative without buying offsets (unlike some other people). Also, believe it or not I like France and the French people they are very true to their beliefs and I respect that, even if I do enjoy making fun of them.
As for you Dogwood, you seem true to your beliefs also, so you too have my respect, if not always my agreement.
I also respect you. You display excellent syntax, grammar, and a clear understanding of communicating effectively. :)
C'est la vie, c'est la guerre, c'est la grande pomme de terre.
Dude, this is America. Speak Spanish!!! :)
Frogs are people too.
Do you know how to boil a frog?
Do you know how to boil a frog?
Slowly I'm told. Same way you'd court a "lady", French or otherwise.
How many foreigners are on the AT? It's on the rise as Americans who used to hike the AT are now spending more of their time talking about it on WhiteBlaze rather than hiking. :rolleyes:
Sarcasm the elf
10-28-2013, 22:30
How many foreigners are on the AT? It's on the rise as Americans who used to hike the AT are now spending more of their time talking about it on WhiteBlaze rather than hiking. :rolleyes:
Hey, I resemble that remark!
How many foreigners are on the AT? It's on the rise as Americans who used to hike the AT are now spending more of their time talking about it on WhiteBlaze rather than hiking. http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
Too bad I already awarded post of the day!
hikerboy57
10-28-2013, 22:43
How many foreigners are on the AT? It's on the rise as Americans who used to hike the AT are now spending more of their time talking about it on WhiteBlaze rather than hiking. :rolleyes:
yeah,hows that working out for you.
Train Wreck
10-28-2013, 23:03
How many foreigners are on the AT? It's on the rise as Americans who used to hike the AT are now spending more of their time talking about it on WhiteBlaze rather than hiking. :rolleyes:
Too bad I already awarded post of the day!
And it's non-revokeable!
HikerMom58
10-28-2013, 23:06
And it's non-revokeable!
Hail to the queen!! I still have ur award, you know. You were supposed to be in Damascus last May, girl.
Train Wreck
10-28-2013, 23:08
Hail to the queen!! I still have ur award, you know. You were supposed to be in Damascus last May, girl.
I know, I had to attend a funeral :(
But it's only 7 months till Trail Days 2014!
HikerMom58
10-28-2013, 23:10
I know, I had to attend a funeral :(
But it's only 7 months till Trail Days 2014!
Sorry about that TW.. :(
I'll be at Trail Days 2014... do we have a date? :)
Train Wreck
10-28-2013, 23:11
Sorry about that TW.. :(
I'll be at Trail Days 2014... do we have a date? :)
Abso-lulu-lutely! :D
HikerMom58
10-28-2013, 23:42
Abso-lulu-lutely! :D
Yay!!!!! I can't wait!!! :D
yeah,hows that working out for you.
Hey, I did 560 total AT trail miles this yr......some while hiking with a sexy French hiker who's seven yrs my junior.:cool::o Trail perks were effarant! Awesome!
Since Oct 2012 - Colorado Tr thru-hike(500+ total, side trips to summit 14 ers), Foothills Tr thru-hike(including a 46 mile extension, about 112 total), Pinhoti Tr thru-hike(including 74 miles of the BMT from the PT/BMT junction to Springer MT about 405 total), 500 mile AT/BMT Loop(BMT thru-hike), Northville Placid Tr thru-hike(about 200 total), bunch of multi day hikes in 5 NPs, blah blah blah, and the big one 1400 miles between the computer to the fridge w/ blue blazes to work and the bathroom. :D No cyber guilt accepted by me. Definitely no pack sniffer cyber hiker(only) here! :D
Hey, I did 560 total AT trail miles this yr......some while hiking with a sexy French hiker who's seven yrs my junior.:cool::o Trail perks were effarant! Awesome!
Since Oct 2012 - Colorado Tr thru-hike(500+ total, side trips to summit 14 ers), Foothills Tr thru-hike(including a 46 mile extension, about 112 total), Pinhoti Tr thru-hike(including 74 miles of the BMT from the PT/BMT junction to Springer MT about 405 total), 500 mile AT/BMT Loop(BMT thru-hike), Northville Placid Tr thru-hike(about 200 total), bunch of multi day hikes in 5 NPs, blah blah blah, and the big one 1400 miles between the computer to the fridge w/ blue blazes to work and the bathroom. :D No cyber guilt accepted by me. Definitely no pack sniffer cyber hiker(only) here! :D
Maybe she felt you were Like an older brother:rolleyes:
double d
10-29-2013, 03:44
Maybe she felt you were Like an older brother:rolleyes: Wow-ouch-I mean, hard core ouch!
double d
10-29-2013, 03:49
I actually have meet some interesting folks on the AT from other countries, especially when I hike the AT in Vermont for some reason (I'm strictly a section hiker), one was a Brit who looked just like Phil Collins and when I was about to tell him that, he said, "I know, I look like Phil Collins". Ohhh, I guess others had said that to him the first 1,800 miles (this was near Bennington, VT, forgot the shelter name but its the first one past Rt. 9), but he was determined to finish the AT and was a neat guy to meet on the AT. He was working on his Ph.D and decided to thru-hike the AT.